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Re: Serie A
« Reply #2400 on: May 3, 2021, 12:18:39 pm »
Vlahovic looks like he'll score quite a few going forward, he's only 21 so far from his best years, real breakout season for him. He's the type I could see staying in Serie A, if not with Fiorentina. That being said I doubt any could stump up the money Fiorentina would want. I don't know what the plans with Liverpool are this summer in terms of an attacker, personally I think if we sign one it'll be more in the mould of someone capable of playing through the middle but is generally a wide forward, ala Jota. I think we're crying out for a proper centre forward who'll score a shit load for us going forward, someone like Vlahovic could be a real option. Being young, I think he'd need a little while to settle in properly and find his proper goal-scoring potential as he's done with Firoentina.
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Re: Serie A
« Reply #2401 on: May 3, 2021, 12:47:40 pm »
Bonkers to think Inter finished bottom of their CL group.

That's essentially where Conte will be judged now. His European record is abysmal.

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« Reply #2402 on: May 3, 2021, 01:59:46 pm »
Bonkers to think Inter finished bottom of their CL group.

That's essentially where Conte will be judged now. His European record is abysmal.

Is it bonkers? Series A is possibly a very poor league. Roma losing 6-2 to Manchester United? Ashley Young being in a Title-winning team? Italian clubs haven't done well in Europe for many years have they? This is despite Juventus throwing everything they have got at the Champions' league. 
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« Reply #2403 on: May 3, 2021, 02:10:23 pm »
Is it bonkers? Series A is possibly a very poor league. Roma losing 6-2 to Manchester United? Ashley Young being in a Title-winning team? Italian clubs haven't done well in Europe for many years have they? This is despite Juventus throwing everything they have got at the Champions' league.

It is, Roma are a vastly inferior side to Inter. Inter have tons of talent available, and they should have done better in Europe [two consecutive seasons now]. Also they got trashed in EL after they crashed out of the CL last year.

Ashley Young aside, they have Hakimi,Bastoni,barella,Martinez,Lukaku,Skriniar,De Vrij,Brozovic,Sensi and perisic in their side, hardly average by any means.

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« Reply #2404 on: May 3, 2021, 02:26:22 pm »
Seria A is and always will be viewed through the nostalgia filled awesome glasses of the 80's through to the 00's. It's been of a poor standard for the past 15 years or so.

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« Reply #2405 on: May 3, 2021, 02:50:40 pm »
Ashley Young aside, they have Hakimi,Bastoni,barella,Martinez,Lukaku,Skriniar,De Vrij,Brozovic,Sensi and perisic in their side, hardly average by any means.

Isn't Darmian playing for them too?
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« Reply #2406 on: May 3, 2021, 03:13:35 pm »
Isn't Darmian playing for them too?
And much like Young, he's a bench player.

They're a very good team, probably lack of quality depth holding them back from being more successful in Europe. If they can keep their key players and add a strong left back, forward and midfielder they'll probably do well next season.

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« Reply #2407 on: May 3, 2021, 05:06:02 pm »
Seria A is and always will be viewed through the nostalgia filled awesome glasses of the 80's through to the 00's. It's been of a poor standard for the past 15 years or so.
It’s one of the more entertaining leagues going nowadays but I’d agree with Samie here, the last great Serie A side was the faded remnants of Milan back in 2007. There’s not been one close to that quality since, and they were past their peak by then (2003-2006).
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« Reply #2408 on: May 3, 2021, 05:37:39 pm »
It’s one of the more entertaining leagues going nowadays but I’d agree with Samie here, the last great Serie A side was the faded remnants of Milan back in 2007. There’s not been one close to that quality since, and they were past their peak by then (2003-2006).
Inter 2010. Far from pretty, but still a treble winning side. They were better than Milan 07 imo

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« Reply #2409 on: May 3, 2021, 10:09:25 pm »
Inter 2010. Far from pretty, but still a treble winning side. They were better than Milan 07 imo
True - I think I’d managed to erase them from existence in my memory because they were so bad to watch  ;D

That dominance came post Calciopoli, which admittedly weakened the league in general and gave Inter a few easy titles, though Mancini benefited more than Mourinho from that.

Milan 07 weren’t what they were a few years before, that’s for sure.
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Re: Serie A
« Reply #2410 on: May 3, 2021, 10:34:02 pm »
If Conte jumps ship when Inter are skint there will obviously be no shortage of takers for him. He has an appalling European record but guarantees a league title in 1-2 seasons max.

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Re: Serie A
« Reply #2411 on: May 3, 2021, 11:55:47 pm »
Milan should have never been in the CL in 2007 to begin with. They were initially banned but were reinstated

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« Reply #2412 on: May 4, 2021, 09:44:16 am »
Milan should have never been in the CL in 2007 to begin with. They were initially banned but were reinstated
Very true actually. They got lucky with having their points deduction decreased as well, even though their cheating seemed to have been of a similar ilk to that of Juve's. It's almost like the authorities wanted to make Luciano Moggi the true example and all others were somewhat allowed to escape. A few sides had relegations overturned on second appeal.

Similar to City this year, should be banned and are on the cusp of the final.
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« Reply #2413 on: May 4, 2021, 10:37:32 am »
could've been even sweeter if Juve failed to make the CL

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Re: Serie A
« Reply #2414 on: May 4, 2021, 10:44:15 am »
Vlahovic is young and talented but only had one good year. We know what happened when we got his countryman Markovic after one year (or likes of Pepe) so I'd be cautious to approach.

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« Reply #2415 on: May 4, 2021, 11:00:51 am »
If Conte jumps ship when Inter are skint there will obviously be no shortage of takers for him. He has an appalling European record but guarantees a league title in 1-2 seasons max.
His league record is up there with the best of them. The Chelsea squad and this Inter squad were nowhere near favorites either.

Is he the 3rd best manager at the moment?

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« Reply #2416 on: May 4, 2021, 11:04:45 am »
His league record is up there with the best of them. The Chelsea squad and this Inter squad were nowhere near favorites either.

Is he the 3rd best manager at the moment?
I would say he is 2nd at the moment. Much like the #1, he never had unlimited funds or inherited a world class squad when he took over.

The only thing he lacks to be on par is a CL win.

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Re: Serie A
« Reply #2417 on: May 4, 2021, 12:02:53 pm »
Atalanta would seem favourites for 2nd spot now with their momentum and their remaining oppo:

Parma A
Benevento H
Genoa A
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Juve :

Milan H
Sass A
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Napoli:

Spezia A
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« Reply #2418 on: May 4, 2021, 12:05:35 pm »
Vlahovic is young and talented but only had one good year. We know what happened when we got his countryman Markovic after one year (or likes of Pepe) so I'd be cautious to approach.
Probably not the best comparison when the only similarity they share is nationality - Vlahovic now has 2 x 2000 + minute seasons under his belt, his first promising, this one excellent and is a good age profile compared to the rest of our attackers. He also plays in a much higher standard league than the Portuguese league from where we got Markovic, in a dreadful team as opposed to a dominant one like Benfica were. Markovic was also younger, with less than 30 appearances for Benfica at the point which we signed him.

I understand where you're coming from, because the risk is there - I'd never seen Markovic play beyond some highlight reel stuff before we signed him, but I've seen pretty much all of Vlahovic's game time in Italy and I really do back him to be a brilliant striker for some years. I can unfortunately see him being the player Juve hang their hat on if they can move Ronaldo on this summer, which would be a real shame because I'd like to see him test himself with us, if we're indeed interested.

I could also see him as a Lewandowski replacement at Bayern - Nagelsmann likes a tall, strong centre forward, though it might be a timing issue, given Lewandowski seems as effective as ever and Vlahovic will almost certainly move this summer.
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Re: Serie A
« Reply #2419 on: May 4, 2021, 12:48:20 pm »
Probably not the best comparison when the only similarity they share is nationality - Vlahovic now has 2 x 2000 + minute seasons under his belt, his first promising, this one excellent and is a good age profile compared to the rest of our attackers. He also plays in a much higher standard league than the Portuguese league from where we got Markovic, in a dreadful team as opposed to a dominant one like Benfica were. Markovic was also younger, with less than 30 appearances for Benfica at the point which we signed him.

I understand where you're coming from, because the risk is there - I'd never seen Markovic play beyond some highlight reel stuff before we signed him, but I've seen pretty much all of Vlahovic's game time in Italy and I really do back him to be a brilliant striker for some years. I can unfortunately see him being the player Juve hang their hat on if they can move Ronaldo on this summer, which would be a real shame because I'd like to see him test himself with us, if we're indeed interested.

I could also see him as a Lewandowski replacement at Bayern - Nagelsmann likes a tall, strong centre forward, though it might be a timing issue, given Lewandowski seems as effective as ever and Vlahovic will almost certainly move this summer.

I agree. Markovic played in an inferior league as well. Vlahovic has already massively improved his output in a years time, [in a horrible side], last year he scored 8 in 34, this season he already has 19 in 36.

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« Reply #2420 on: May 4, 2021, 01:13:49 pm »
Plus all of Markovic's issues were mental and confidence based by all accounts, rather than down to his ability. Not helped by how Rodgers treated him.
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« Reply #2421 on: May 4, 2021, 02:15:41 pm »
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« Reply #2422 on: May 4, 2021, 02:16:59 pm »
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« Reply #2423 on: May 4, 2021, 02:17:40 pm »
Mourinho just signed for Roma according to Fabrizio Romano. Surprising but it may work well for him as expectations are lower (Top 4) and he can build from there.

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« Reply #2424 on: May 4, 2021, 02:18:40 pm »
Hahaha, enjoy him you horrible bastards  :wave
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« Reply #2425 on: May 4, 2021, 02:18:51 pm »
That might be good for them.

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« Reply #2426 on: May 4, 2021, 02:22:02 pm »
Out of the blue that, seems they have a billionaire owner so he's been promised some cash no doubt.

He'd be a God over there winning a title at Roma, build a decent squad and with his know how, like Conte's just done he could win a title.
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« Reply #2427 on: May 4, 2021, 02:23:02 pm »
Probably not the best comparison when the only similarity they share is nationality - Vlahovic now has 2 x 2000 + minute seasons under his belt, his first promising, this one excellent and is a good age profile compared to the rest of our attackers. He also plays in a much higher standard league than the Portuguese league from where we got Markovic, in a dreadful team as opposed to a dominant one like Benfica were. Markovic was also younger, with less than 30 appearances for Benfica at the point which we signed him.

I understand where you're coming from, because the risk is there - I'd never seen Markovic play beyond some highlight reel stuff before we signed him, but I've seen pretty much all of Vlahovic's game time in Italy and I really do back him to be a brilliant striker for some years. I can unfortunately see him being the player Juve hang their hat on if they can move Ronaldo on this summer, which would be a real shame because I'd like to see him test himself with us, if we're indeed interested.

I could also see him as a Lewandowski replacement at Bayern - Nagelsmann likes a tall, strong centre forward, though it might be a timing issue, given Lewandowski seems as effective as ever and Vlahovic will almost certainly move this summer.
Maybe I should've given Luka Jovic as the example  ;)

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« Reply #2428 on: May 4, 2021, 02:25:41 pm »
Out of the blue that, seems they have a billionaire owner so he's been promised some cash no doubt.

He'd be a God over there winning a title at Roma, build a decent squad and with his know how, like Conte's just done he could win a title.
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« Reply #2429 on: May 4, 2021, 02:30:47 pm »
They've only ever won 12 trophies, 3 Serie A and 9 Copa's. Really low number for a big club.
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« Reply #2430 on: May 4, 2021, 02:35:24 pm »
They've only ever won 12 trophies, 3 Serie A and 9 Copa's. Really low number for a big club.
They might have won some European honours if they hadn't ran into us on a number of occasions  ;)
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« Reply #2431 on: May 4, 2021, 02:35:47 pm »
To quote Hastings in Line of Duty, "how some people can fail upwards, beggers belief".

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« Reply #2432 on: May 4, 2021, 02:36:06 pm »
They've only ever won 12 trophies, 3 Serie A and 9 Copa's. Really low number for a big club.
Are they a big club? No disrespect, they huge compared to most teams, but Italy has it's big 3 and the rest.

Think it's definitely a better fit for Mou than Tottenham, but this will probably end bad as well.

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« Reply #2433 on: May 4, 2021, 02:46:39 pm »
You just know he'll win a cup with them in a year or two and that will send the Spurs fans crazy

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« Reply #2434 on: May 4, 2021, 02:52:00 pm »
Maybe I should've given Luka Jovic as the example  ;)
I would've had less to say on that one  ;D

Are they a big club? No disrespect, they huge compared to most teams, but Italy has it's big 3 and the rest.

Think it's definitely a better fit for Mou than Tottenham, but this will probably end bad as well.
Roma are massive. Historically they've just struggled in the last 60 years to have the financial backing of Juve or the Milan clubs, they've not really had an Agnelli (family), Berlusconi or Moratti family - they were down in Serie B when the likes of John Charles was at Juve.

In the early 80s when they had a bit more comparative financial might, they were as good as Milan and Juve, if not better, they won a Scudetto and came runners up 4 times in the years around this, to different opponents, as well as losing to ourselves in a European final. They then struggled to compete and invest in a similar way to their rivals for pretty much all of the 90s until they had the likes of Totti at his peak and Gabigol.

In Rome, Roma are seen as the bigger club than Lazio.
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« Reply #2435 on: May 4, 2021, 03:05:08 pm »
https://twitter.com/ASRomaEN/status/1389567974097530881


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« Reply #2436 on: May 4, 2021, 03:54:40 pm »
That's a shock. Conte probably can't wait to strangle him.

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« Reply #2437 on: May 4, 2021, 03:58:39 pm »
They've only ever won 12 trophies, 3 Serie A and 9 Copa's. Really low number for a big club.
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« Reply #2438 on: May 4, 2021, 03:58:57 pm »
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« Reply #2439 on: May 4, 2021, 04:14:31 pm »
R.I.P. Roma
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