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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2006, 10:35:55 pm »
Here is my plasma panel, it's a Pioneer 436XDE. Great picture quality, BUT has an image retention problem:(

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2006, 11:31:14 pm »
Here is my plasma panel, it's a Pioneer 436XDE. Great picture quality, BUT has an image retention problem:(

Have you turned the settings down as they are set too high out of the box and don't watch it in Dynamic mode.Heard the problems only really occured on the Sept,Oct and Nov builds.From all accounts it's not happening as much on the later builds.

Check here for what I mean.


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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2006, 10:06:35 am »
Have you turned the settings down as they are set too high out of the box and don't watch it in Dynamic mode.Heard the problems only really occured on the Sept,Oct and Nov builds.From all accounts it's not happening as much on the later builds.

Check here for what I mean.


http://www.avforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=82

Hey Keithcun how are you?  I knew nothing of this forum when I bought the Pio in November and knew nothing of run-in settings etc.  My problem is on Saturdays I'm prone to watching Gillette Soccer Saturday for the duration of the afternoons footy and this has left me with a vertical line down the screen (the separation between where the presenters are and where they show the league tables etc).  Dealer has been out and said he would bring me a new panel and, if what you say is true about the newer panels then happy days!  But I'll wait and see what happens.

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2006, 10:46:32 am »
This Pioneer was top of my wish list as the practicality of the media box helps when hanging on the wall.That's why I know of the problems you have had because I've been doing my research for months and months.The above forum is a godsend for anyone wanting to buy any AV kit.Hoping to buy a plasma in the next few months.

Have you thought about getting the plasma ISF'd to get the true potential out of it.If you are getting it replaced,it's something to think about and I've heard they respond very well to it.It costs about £250 to have it done but it gets that last 10% picture quality out of the screen.

Panasonic have just brought a new TV out the PX60 and soon the PX600 which are probably a match for the Pioneer now so I'm doing my research on these as well to see how they go.

All in though,you've picked a great choice in the Pioneer,but it's a real shame that you wasn't told about the settings by the retailer,but saying that,half of them these days haven't got a clue about the product they are selling.If you do get it replaced,check the above forum to see what settings you need to run it at for the initial 150 - 200 hours.

Good luck.
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2006, 12:48:08 pm »
This Pioneer was top of my wish list as the practicality of the media box helps when hanging on the wall.That's why I know of the problems you have had because I've been doing my research for months and months.The above forum is a godsend for anyone wanting to buy any AV kit.Hoping to buy a plasma in the next few months.

Have you thought about getting the plasma ISF'd to get the true potential out of it.If you are getting it replaced,it's something to think about and I've heard they respond very well to it.It costs about £250 to have it done but it gets that last 10% picture quality out of the screen.

Panasonic have just brought a new TV out the PX60 and soon the PX600 which are probably a match for the Pioneer now so I'm doing my research on these as well to see how they go.

All in though,you've picked a great choice in the Pioneer,but it's a real shame that you wasn't told about the settings by the retailer,but saying that,half of them these days haven't got a clue about the product they are selling.If you do get it replaced,check the above forum to see what settings you need to run it at for the initial 150 - 200 hours.

Good luck.
Still don't know how to find how long the panel has been running, although I bet it's in the manual and I haven't bothered to read it properly.  Best have a check through it then eh.
It's wrong to assume (only kakes an ASS of U and ME) but I thought I would have been better informed of all this technical jargon, and the guy's a specialist home cinema dealer whom I've dealt with before.  Well I've had my moan, but I'm dissapointed.  What's your user name on AV forums ?

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2006, 01:13:06 pm »
Still don't know how to find how long the panel has been running, although I bet it's in the manual and I haven't bothered to read it properly.  Best have a check through it then eh.
It's wrong to assume (only kakes an ASS of U and ME) but I thought I would have been better informed of all this technical jargon, and the guy's a specialist home cinema dealer whom I've dealt with before.  Well I've had my moan, but I'm dissapointed.  What's your user name on AV forums ?

The same as on here but I don't post a lot,just read a lot.  ;D

You have to go in the engineers settings to activate the timer,but I've heard it's a bit tricky.Have a search on avforum and you should be able to find how.
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2006, 01:42:19 pm »
You know, I think there is a conspiracy to try and make me think I'm going nuts or something :butt
I have done as you have said and went on to the forumand done the old search thingy and yes, there it was how do I find how long blah, blah, blah.  So I go in and I'm instructed to 'make sure the panel and media box are in the stand-by mode, then press display on the remote, don't hold it in , just press it and wait for three seconds'.  Ok I 'll just press displayhere and wait for three seconds..... display?DISPLAY??  It seems I don't have a display button ffs.  You know I'm starting to get really pissed off with this to the point of @I wish it was the weekend soas I could get pissed out of me head and forget about the whole thing!  On a much brighter note, I was searching through the FAQ's and found 'screen burn' and a list of options for checking it out and some guy had posted problems with ghosting and a pic of the problem, check it out

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2006, 10:48:26 pm »
I believe some of the earlier models of the slimline CRTs had a few problems so I'd do a bit of research on the newer models before going down that path

My thoughts too.
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2006, 11:09:04 am »
I got a Panny PWD8 Standard Def.  I checked out the PHD8 against the PWD8 with High-Def source into HDMI.  The PWD8 scales it to fit, as does the PHD8 (only 1024x768).  Up close you could see the difference, sit back 9 foot as is my lounge, and errr....couldn't hardly tell the difference.  So HD source to me is more important than HD res at the moment and I won't pay over the odds for something I can hardly see from 9 foot. I'll stick to HD compatible for now, instead of HD ready, much cheaper.

If I went for an LCD, that would typically be used at a much closer range, especially for xbox and the like I would go HD res, but then I wanted a plasma for the contrast.


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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2006, 11:39:16 am »
I got a Panny PWD8 Standard Def.  I checked out the PHD8 against the PWD8 with High-Def source into HDMI.  The PWD8 scales it to fit, as does the PHD8 (only 1024x768).  Up close you could see the difference, sit back 9 foot as is my lounge, and errr....couldn't hardly tell the difference.  So HD source to me is more important than HD res at the moment and I won't pay over the odds for something I can hardly see from 9 foot. I'll stick to HD compatible for now, instead of HD ready, much cheaper.

If I went for an LCD, that would typically be used at a much closer range, especially for xbox and the like I would go HD res, but then I wanted a plasma for the contrast.



The new Panasonic panels should be out later this year.I've been looking at the new PX60 and await the PX600,but to be honest,I don't really need a TV,just a panel as I have Sky and Home Cinema for sound.I prefer the cleaner look and the black surround of the PWD/PHD panels to the silvery look of the PX60 and PV600,but there again,the Pioneer 436 XDE looks better than all with it's piano black surround.

I just can't make my mind up at the moment.
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2006, 12:35:02 pm »
Dont know if anyone's mentioned but it is also worth noting that if the channel that you're watching isnt in HD format, your HDTV will make the images look at least 2x worst than your normal old fashioned TV.

I think its due to the HDTV magnifying the poor quality pixels larger. or some other business.

One of my mates have one and we watch a HD enabled DVD on it. The graphics are boss. :)

That's complete bollocks. If anything, its the other way round.

Most LCD tv's re-process the low resolution image from standard tv and display it at a higher definition. The exceptions to this are likely to be manufacturers who cut out certain features in the low end of their range in order to cut the cost. Even still, the ima

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« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2006, 12:45:42 pm »
As usual, cnet provide some good reviews of LCD tv's:

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39030219,39194657,00.htm

Been looking at the Samsung for a while. Got a good review on there, but will be doing some lurking on other sites to see if I can pick up some user feedback. Its got a stunningly good price compared to other makes of a similar size and doesnt seem to lack much.

The main problem seems to be the lack of scart connectors. Theres only one, which means one of either the digibox or DVD player needs to go through a different input type, unless I can be arsed to swap things over. Will have to compare the difference in quality between scart and the other available types to see if theres a noticeable difference.

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2006, 01:08:44 pm »
A place full of grammer Nazi's?
'Grammar' and no apostrophe in 'nazis'.

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2006, 01:46:23 pm »
Does anybody know anything about these?

http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpresentation/index.php?product_id=MIRMJ32114



To be honest you get what you pay for so I wouldn't expect it to be up there the better brands.
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2006, 01:53:02 pm »
That's complete bollocks. If anything, its the other way round.

Most LCD tv's re-process the low resolution image from standard tv and display it at a higher definition. The exceptions to this are likely to be manufacturers who cut out certain features in the low end of their range in order to cut the cost. Even still, the ima
Just read this.
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Can I watch normal shows on my HDTV?

Of course you can! Although, depending on your TV, the images might not be the quality you expect. Because of the difference in scaling between an HD and analog television, programs shot in standard definition sometimes end up being stretched and scaled up in order to fit the high-def size. Needless to say, this won't look that great.

Source: http://www.discoverychannel.ca/discoveryhd/hd_basics/

And bad ctrl+v ctrl+c job there. :P

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« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2006, 02:02:02 pm »
Just read this.
Source: http://www.discoverychannel.ca/discoveryhd/hd_basics/

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Can I watch normal shows on my HDTV?

Of course you can! Although, depending on your TV, the images might not be the quality you expect. Because of the difference in scaling between an HD and analog television, programs shot in standard definition sometimes end up being stretched and scaled up in order to fit the high-def size. Needless to say, this won't look that great.

It all depends on the inbuilt scaler in the TV to as what quality picture is produced.It's not just a matter of saying that it will be shit fullstop.

You can also spend as much again on a dedicated scaler,and believe me you will not think the picture quality is inferior.

So Gareth and I are correct,it's utter fucking jibberish and that article mentions nothing about making the picture quality 2x worse.
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2006, 03:33:40 pm »
And bad ctrl+v ctrl+c job there. :P

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« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2006, 02:20:58 am »


It all depends on the inbuilt scaler in the TV to as what quality picture is produced.It's not just a matter of saying that it will be shit fullstop.

You can also spend as much again on a dedicated scaler,and believe me you will not think the picture quality is inferior.

So Gareth and I are correct,it's utter fucking jibberish and that article mentions nothing about making the picture quality 2x worse.

Hmmmmm. Okay~ I understand what you're saying but isnt it also fucking wrong to say all HDTV would display analog programs at HD quality?

All I wanted to share was what I saw first hand on my mate's HDTV and what I read in InfoTech section of newspapers yet I was called the one sprouting fucking jibberish.   :sad

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« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2006, 02:24:26 am »
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That's complete bollocks. If anything, its the other way round.

Most LCD tv's re-process the low resolution image from standard tv and display it at a higher definition. The exceptions to this are likely to be manufacturers who cut out certain features in the low end of their range in order to cut the cost. Even still, the ima

Lolz. Sorry, was caught by my lecturer this way when I copy&pasted something I shouldnt. Since then i always look out for incomplete sentences. ;D

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« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2006, 08:27:38 am »
Hmmmmm. Okay~ I understand what you're saying but isnt it also fucking wrong to say all HDTV would display analog programs at HD quality?

All I wanted to share was what I saw first hand on my mate's HDTV and what I read in InfoTech section of newspapers yet I was called the one sprouting fucking jibberish.   :sad

Yes,but who has actually said that.

You can get shit plasmas/LCD's and you can get very very goods ones as well.Quotes like the ones above and the one you said previously are generalisations and not necessarily correct.
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« Reply #100 on: March 29, 2006, 08:37:36 am »
Get a 1200 quid hd projector.

Xbox 360, sports, movies, 7ft and hd.

The only way to go.
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #101 on: March 29, 2006, 11:12:50 am »
Unless you have it in a room plagued with ambient light.

What screen did you get?

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« Reply #102 on: March 29, 2006, 12:13:21 pm »
Projector s are not very practical for day to day watching of TV but you can't beat the big screen set up fro watching movies.More suited to dedicated home cinemas.
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« Reply #103 on: March 29, 2006, 12:34:07 pm »
Is there any chance the prices of these LCD/Plasma HDTV's will go down in the near future? I've always been put off by the prices when i considered getting one. 26 inch LCD for a grand seems stupid to me.

I mean my bro just bought a 26 CRT off amazon for around 170 quid (good one as well)
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« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2006, 12:39:04 pm »
Just read this.
Source: http://www.discoverychannel.ca/discoveryhd/hd_basics/

I just realised the link ;D

Strange as it may seem, the Discovery Channel are not high on my list of sources for verifying LCD TV performance. They're great for documentraries on FBI's most wanted, or the mating rituals of African Elephants, but not LCD TV's. I usually go to disney.com for that sort of info  ;)

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« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2006, 10:05:33 pm »
Is there any chance the prices of these LCD/Plasma HDTV's will go down in the near future? I've always been put off by the prices when i considered getting one. 26 inch LCD for a grand seems stupid to me.

I mean my bro just bought a 26 CRT off amazon for around 170 quid (good one as well)

They are coming down.

You can get a very good  Samsung LCD for less than £800.

30 secs on Google and here you go,and probably find it cheaper else where if you looked properly.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=13173&source=PriceRunner
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« Reply #106 on: April 2, 2006, 11:44:48 pm »
This 'High Definition Ready' worries me.
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« Reply #107 on: April 3, 2006, 11:35:14 am »
Saw some footie on HDTV in Germany over the weekend, looked pretty good

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« Reply #108 on: April 4, 2006, 03:24:44 pm »
I bought one a week or two ago and I cant fault it for films and shows and stuff like that,but the one thing that I really wanted it for was footy and I am not impressed!!!!!
The screen looks blurred and it sort of flashes and focuses in and out when im watching matches

Please give me any suggestions how to fix this problem-

The tv is hooked up to a sky plus box,and I bought a new pricey scart so I dont know wat the story is

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #109 on: April 4, 2006, 04:00:28 pm »
Is SKY+ setup to output RGB?

To be honest though mate, SD signal scaled up to HD on some panels can look worse than a SD, especially when its interlaced, ie not progressive.  More so if its a cheap (well none of them are cheap) HD screen.

Which one did you get?

I'd ask at www.avforums.co.uk as they all have infinitely more knowledge than most of us on here

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« Reply #110 on: April 4, 2006, 10:13:50 pm »
Just plugged me new Samsung in. The difference in picture between an LCD and CRT is immediate. Very crisp, clear and vibrant and thats just a non HD Sky channel via scard and before tweaking it or trying DVD or HDTV.

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« Reply #111 on: April 5, 2006, 06:27:31 am »
You know, I think there is a conspiracy to try and make me think I'm going nuts or something :butt
I have done as you have said and went on to the forumand done the old search thingy and yes, there it was how do I find how long blah, blah, blah.  So I go in and I'm instructed to 'make sure the panel and media box are in the stand-by mode, then press display on the remote, don't hold it in , just press it and wait for three seconds'.  Ok I 'll just press displayhere and wait for three seconds..... display?DISPLAY??  It seems I don't have a display button ffs.  You know I'm starting to get really pissed off with this to the point of @I wish it was the weekend soas I could get pissed out of me head and forget about the whole thing!  On a much brighter note, I was searching through the FAQ's and found 'screen burn' and a list of options for checking it out and some guy had posted problems with ghosting and a pic of the problem, check it out

Check this thread out mate,it should tell you all you need to know about the Pio.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323983
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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #112 on: April 5, 2006, 11:17:01 am »
Here's an interesting read about the Blu Ray HD-DVD shit we can expect....

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30780

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« Reply #113 on: April 5, 2006, 12:42:45 pm »
Just plugged me new Samsung in. The difference in picture between an LCD and CRT is immediate. Very crisp, clear and vibrant and thats just a non HD Sky channel via scard and before tweaking it or trying DVD or HDTV.

Your CRT must have been shit ;)

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« Reply #114 on: April 5, 2006, 01:20:27 pm »
Compared to what ?

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« Reply #115 on: April 5, 2006, 01:35:51 pm »
A good one ;)

Seriously I've yet to actually see an LCD of about 32" or so that can beat a good CRT of the same size on SD broadcast, if you get a really good LCD set up well it comes close and maybe even matches it, but I've yet to see one thats better, not that CRTs don't have their own problems but you could usually just keep returning them till you got a good 'un.

Anyway all irrelevant now as its practically impossible to buy a good CRT anymore its only budget models left, and widespread HD availability will obviously see HD panels become a better option anyway

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« Reply #116 on: April 5, 2006, 02:41:34 pm »
Here's an interesting read about the Blu Ray HD-DVD shit we can expect....

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30780

Pretty much typical scaremongering non story.
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« Reply #117 on: April 5, 2006, 03:31:18 pm »
A good one ;)

Oh right ;D

I would have to say, on first impression, that the SD broadcasts are nothing to write home about. Decent, but not spectacular and certainly no less enjoyable that my old CRT (which was a mid range 28" JVC). If anything I would say its different, rather than better or worse. Think I need a bit more time to make me mind up!

Defo keen to see how it performs with HDTV or DVD. Perhaps I should have waited a little longer until these formats are more widespread, but am too much of an impulse buyer. I usually do a bit of research and once I have made my mind up I go an buy and nothing will change me mind :P

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #118 on: April 5, 2006, 03:42:51 pm »
I heard Samsung are releasing CRTs that will support High defintion to see if theres a market out there.

End of april they will be available in germany i think

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Re: High Definition TVs
« Reply #119 on: April 5, 2006, 04:13:02 pm »
I've been tempted myself Gareth, just about holding off for now, once Sky gets a bit cheaper for HD content no doubt I'll be taking the plunge as well !