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still not had my reply.

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Had no reply as yet.

One way to ensure you don't get the standard reply is to ask them some specific questions and ask them to get back to you with the answers.  May make life awkward for someone at the BBC if nothing else!

I did ask them a few questions - stuff like Who made the decision to commission Mckenzie? Is he likely to be emplyoed in the future?  That sorta thing.

Will let you know if this tactic works when I get my reply.

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Hadn't seen this until now, I'll be emailing them straight away

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Heres my reply. Seems to be a mixture of the stock answer and some additional guff... and an invitation to complete a "satisfaction survey".

Dear Mr Dicks

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Kelvin MacKenzie's World Cup Scandals'.

I appreciate you are unhappy with the choice of Kelvin MacKenzie to present the programme.

The two part series, which began on Saturday 27 May, looks at tabloid newspaper coverage of some the great scandals surrounding past World Cup tournaments.

As the former editor of a tabloid newspaper, Kelvin MacKenzie, is hugely experienced in this field. He has reported on a number of other issues for various broadcasters and we feel he is well qualified to present programmes on the subjects of scandal and football. I do appreciate you may not agree.

I assure you that nothing contained in our programmes is included, nor presenters chosen, with the intention of upsetting individuals and we apologise for any offence you may have been caused. However, the BBC makes no editorial comment or judgement on the personal views expressed by contributors to any of our programmes.

We realise that opinions about presenters vary considerably but it is a rare radio personality of any kind who meets the approval of everyone in our vast and varied audience.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your strong concerns and let me assure you that your strong complaint has been fully registered on our daily audience log.  This internal document will be made available to the production team and Senior BBC Management.

Feedback of this nature helps us when making decisions about future BBC programmes and services and your comments will play a part in this process

Finally, I have attached an invitation, from the Head of BBC Information, asking you to participate in our customer survey.  We would welcome your views on our service.  .

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact the BBC with your views.

Regards

Adam Sims
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I got this as well.

Ill reply tomorrow, but I'll be looking at the avenues Nige and Sweetheart have suggested also. (The production, governors, Tessa Jowell...)

Considering the timescale, I'd say the message has certainly registered quite hard at the BBC ... the replies are more and more of the vein 'these opinions are certainly considered in future programming', which translates as "We realise this was a fk up, and that the initial replies were innappropriate, but it cant be stopped now, but he wont get near the BBC ever again.:

If that isn't their sentiment, any 'next time' would result in a total revolt, Id hope. Id be first in line.

And don't forget folks, the people we are writing to at the moment are the frontline and may well totally agree with us. Don't be too harsh on THEM; on the BBC and those responsible, YES.
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unbelievable, not even addressed to me

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Kelvin MacKenzie's World Cup Scandals'.

I note that you have concerns regarding Mr MacKenzie's involvement in the two-part series which will look at tabloid newspaper coverage of some the great scandals surrounding past World Cup tournaments.

As the former editor of a tabloid newspaper, Kelvin MacKenzie, is hugely experienced in this field. He has reported on a number of other issues for various broadcasters and is well qualified to present programmes on the subjects of scandal and football.  We realise that opinions about presenters vary considerably - it is rare for any presenter to meet the unequivocal approval of our wide and varied audience and appreciate that you do not agree with the BBC's choice of presenter in this occasion.

Accordingly, please be assured that your feedback has been fully registered on our daily audience log and made available to the production team of 'Kelvin MacKenzie's World Cup Scandals' and senior BBC management.

Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.

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Neither have I.

I received my reply today, & have replied that I want a proper reply not a dismissive stock response treating the points I raised with near contempt.

I asked to escalate my complaint, & asked whether the BBC condoned or condemned the track record of Mr MacKenzie as a tabloid journalist.
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Unfortunately everything I have read of the replies sent so far, stinks of a stock answer. I complained a while back about some programme (I forget which at the moment), and these replies, including mention of 'audience logs' and 'production teams', are exactly the same as I received then.
They really do not care in the slightest. It is not exactly as though they have advertisers to please, so losing a few ratings means nothing to them. Their revenue stream is guaranteed come what may, and as long as that continues, they will happily shit on us all, and care nothing for our opinions.
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Keep chipping away folks.

Let's start asking even more questions they can't even begin to address with their pre-prepared stock answer. Rather than mention specific reasons why we disapprove of Mackenzie, some letters  of complaint could simply mention the programme title in the 'Subject of Complaint', but then ask wider questions such as :

* As a licence payer I am interested to know what BBC body specifically monitors  the output of independent production companies for the BBC and how they react when there are complaints. 

*  "  "  "  "  " "  "   "  "  what sanctions are taken against independent production companies who fall below the standards expected of them.

*Are these being considered against All Out Productions for their extremely shoddy "World Cup Scandals" which any amateur could have put together, and against the Five Live managers who approved it  ?

These are some of the most sensitive questions in broadcasting at the moment and will really touch a nerve and help ensure that the right questions are asked at  management meetings.  Don't forget there will be people in some of those meetings who hate Mackenzie and his like with a vengeance ...

Anyone know any sympathetic members of the NUJ ?

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Got reply this morning. Was addressed to me but still seems to have a lot of same theme everyone else is getting.


Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Kelvin MacKenzie's World Cup Scandals'.

I appreciate you are unhappy with the choice of Kelvin MacKenzie to present the programme. I also understand you feel the BBC's response to this issue is insufficient. 

I appreciate you may not agree with this decision, nor with the BBC's explanation for the choice, however, the BBC makes no editorial comment or judgement on the personal views expressed by contributors to any of our programmes.

I do, however, assure you that nothing contained in our programmes, nor is any presenter chosen with the intention of upsetting individuals and we apologise for any offence or distress you have been caused.

I appreciate your concerns, particularly given how much the Hillsborough tragedy affected you personally, and let me assure you that your strong complaint has been fully registered on our daily audience log.  This internal document will be made available to the production team and Senior BBC Management.

Feedback of this nature helps us when making decisions about future BBC programmes and services and your comments will play a part in this process.

Once again thank you for taking the time to contact the BBC with your concerns.

Regards

Nuala McGoldrick
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I don't know whether any of you have seen the five live home page but they are advertising that shoddy programme on there at the moment. Might be an idea to persuade them to take it off.
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Dear BBC Information (Jesus, you must have had the crap kicked out of you everyday in school with a name like that!)

Is this how you treat Licence Payers? give a formula response when you've been specifically asked not to?

I asked what credentials did Kelvin Mackenzie have to bring to the BBC? Your stock response to this is that he's the former editor of a tabloid newspaper and he's well qualified to present such a programme on the BBC.

Well you'll have to pardon my ignorance because I was under the misguided view that the BBC was above such gutter-press journalism, having now listened to the program (as I'm always willing to admit if I'm wrong or have been a bit hasty) the programme lived up to my expectations beginning with Kelvin Mackenzie less than appologetic, insensitively boasting that he's no stranger to scandal, well of course not, he instigates the majority of it with his lies. Then he goes on to present a show that I can only describe as a criminal waste of license payers money. This is not because I hate football (I don't) or that I have a holier-than-thou attitude, on the contrary I consider myself to be very fair and open-minded. It is simply because Kelvin Mackenzie is getting paid money for old rope, as are the company you've commission it from.

I was not told ANYTHING that I hadn't heard before. The entire show was made up of tired, rehashed stories and added nothing new to the debate.

They are laughing at you! even worse they are laughing at me! Us the British public, YOUR shareholders who entrust you to bring us quality programming and you deliver this sorry excuse for entertainment.

To add insult to injury I have noticed you're brazenly advertising this trainwreck on your homepage, with the blurb "The former editor of The Sun" as some sort of disclaimer in the description. Have some consideration, but I guess there's no such thing as bad publicity eh!

I am seriously considering not renewing my Licence fee over this, which Ironically Kelvin Mackenzie has been advocating the abolition of for some time.

Yours Sincerely

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For sheer annoyance value added impact e-mail individual producers of Five live shows in advance (using the presenters' e-mails on the Five Live site), ASKING THEM IF & WHEN THE OFFENSIVE K. MACKENZIE TRAILER WILL BE AIRED, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE ALTERNATIVE  LISTENING ARANGEMENTS FOR THE MORNING/AFTERNOON/EVENING.  They are obliged to try to respond.

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Had my reply........


Dear Mr S Hulton

Thank you for your e-mail regarding the BBC Radio 5 Live programme 'Kelvin
MacKenzie's World Cup Scandals'.

I note that you have concerns regarding Mr MacKenzie's involvement in the
two-part series which looks at tabloid newspaper coverage of some the great
scandals surrounding past World Cup tournaments.

I can assure you however that we do realise that opinions about presenters vary
considerably and it is a rare radio personality of any kind who meets the
approval of everyone. As the former editor of a tabloid newspaper, Kelvin
MacKenzie, is hugely experienced in this field. He has reported on a number of
other issues for various broadcasters and is well qualified to present
programmes on the subjects of scandal and football.

Nevertheless, rest assured that your comments will be fully registered on a
daily log, which is made available to the 'Kelvin MacKenzie's World Cup
Scandals' production team and senior BBC management. Feedback of this nature
helps us when making decisions about future BBC programmes and services and your
comment will certainly play a part in this process.

Thank you again for contacting the BBC.

Regards

Jonathan Dunlop
BBC Information


and fired one back....this could run and run....;)


Dear Mr.Dunlop,

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me,although I must raise issues with your content.
Firstly I agree,I do have serious concerns over where and on what my licence fee is being spent.
The fact that the BBC have employed a man who over a number of years in charge at the S*n came up with the most ridiculous,untrue,spiteful lies ever to "grace" a front page beggars belief.
You say Mr.Mackenzie is "hugely experienced" in this field,yet it would appear that the content of this radio expose consisted of nothing more than re-hashed old news.Hardly earth shattering.
In fact the only amazing bit of this show was the fact tthe BBC used public money to pay for it.He has,in a popular phrase,"had you over".
I am also interested to know who,in his wisdom,commissioned this radio show.If you do know please pass on the following website address,so that he may educate himself about the type of people he deals with (http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/).Also could you please let me know when the trailers for this drivel are being aired as I will make alternative listening arrangements
Thank you for your time and I look forward to your reply.

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Got the same response as most ...

Dear Mr Smith
 
Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'World Cup Scandals'.
 
I appreciate you are unhappy with the choice of Kelvin MacKenzie to present the programme in light of his response to the Hillsborough tragedy.
 
The two part series, which began on Saturday 27 May, looks at tabloid newspaper coverage of some the great scandals surrounding past World Cup tournaments.
 
As the former editor of a tabloid newspaper, Kelvin MacKenzie, is hugely experienced in this field. He has reported on a number of other issues for various broadcasters and we feel he is well qualified to present programmes on the subjects of scandal and football. I appreciate you may not agree, however, the BBC makes no editorial comment or judgement on the personal views expressed by contributors to any of our programmes.
 
I assure you that nothing contained in our programmes, nor is any presenter chosen with the intention of upsetting individuals and we apologise for any offence you have been caused.
 
We realise that opinions about presenters vary considerably but it is a rare radio personality of any kind who meets the approval of everyone in our vast and varied audience. 
 
Nevertheless, I appreciate your concerns and let me assure you that your strong complaint has been fully registered on our daily audience log.  This internal document will be made available to the production team and Senior BBC Management.
 
Feedback of this nature helps us when making decisions about future BBC programmes and services and your comments will play a part in this process.
 
Once again thank you for taking the time to contact the BBC with your views. 
 
Regards
 
Nuala McGoldrick
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Well done on this campaign, I'm just putting an email together to send to the BBC. Fucking disgusts me that we HAVE to pay a licence fee, or which even a penny may go towards that despicable scumbag.

I'm just going to post this on KT too if its ok, just with a link to this.  Regardless of peoples feelings about other websites, we need as many complaints as possible.

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Just got this pissy reply..

will be on at them again today... bastards.

Dear Mr ........

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'World Cup Scandals'.

I appreciate you are unhappy with the choice of Kelvin MacKenzie to present the
programme.

The two part series, which began on Saturday 27 May, looks at tabloid newspaper
coverage of some the great scandals surrounding past World Cup tournaments.

As the former editor of a tabloid newspaper, Kelvin MacKenzie, is hugely
experienced in this field. He has reported on a number of other issues for
various broadcasters and we feel he is well qualified to present programmes on
the subjects of scandal and football. I appreciate you may not agree, however,
the BBC makes no editorial comment or judgement on the personal views expressed
by contributors to any of our programmes.

I assure you that nothing contained in our programmes, nor is any presenter
chosen with the intention of upsetting individuals.

We realise that opinions about presenters vary considerably but it is a rare
radio personality of any kind who meets the approval of everyone in our vast and
varied audience. 

Nevertheless, I appreciate your concerns and let me assure you that your
complaint has been fully registered on our daily audience log.  This internal
document will be made available to the production team and Senior BBC
Management.

Feedback of this nature helps us when making decisions about future BBC
programmes and services and your comments will play a part in this process.

Once again thank you for taking the time to contact the BBC with your views. 

Regards

Paul Hunter
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Got my reply , Guess what, it is the same as everybody else's but the point has been made.PS It would be interesting to note how many BBC Radio Presenters were actually working for the Sun in 1989. I heard one on Five live a couple of weeks ago who was apologising to Graham Taylor for the paper's 'Turnip' headline, but of course it wasn't my idea Guv!Dig deaper, and we may find that the Beeb is not 'whiter than white' itself.

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Good work everybody.

Keep texting too on 85058, telling them how the trailer made you switch off your radio, etc.

One producer e-mailed me back on Saturday saying 'the trailer is on at 12.15pm, then you can switch on and enjoy the afternoon.'

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Finally got a reply- bog standard from what i have read so far.
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Got my reply , Guess what, it is the same as everybody else's but the point has been made.PS It would be interesting to note how many BBC Radio Presenters were actually working for the Sun in 1989. I heard one on Five live a couple of weeks ago who was apologising to Graham Taylor for the paper's 'Turnip' headline, but of course it wasn't my idea Guv!Dig deaper, and we may find that the Beeb is not 'whiter than white' itself.

The excellent piece often posted on RAWK by John Pilger notes that concerns were raised by the rest of the staff at the Sun about the story, but it was McKenzie and McKenzie alone who had the final say and went ahead with it.  The journos aren't responsible for the editorial decisions he made that day:

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'THE TRUTH' was the opposite. Like much in MacKenzie's Sun, it was clearly intended to pander to prejudice. Other journalists on the Sun appeared to know this instinctively. 'As MacKenzie's layout was seen by more and more people,' wrote Peter Chippendale and Chris Horrie in their history of the Sun, 'a collective shudder ran through the office [but] MacKenzie's dominance was so total there was nobody left in the organisation who could rein him in except Murdoch. [Everyone] seemed paralysed, "looking like rabbits in the headlights", as one hack described them. The error staring them in the face was too glaring ? It obviously wasn't a silly mistake; nor was it a simple oversight. Nobody really had any comment on it - they just took one look and went away shaking their heads in wonder at the enormity of it ? It was a "classic smear".'

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As the former editor of a tabloid newspaper, Kelvin MacKenzie, is hugely
experienced in this field. ________________________________________

I wish he was experienced in the field close to our house.

It's where the kids put their bonfire every bommy night.  :wanker

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And this is my reply from the head of the Production Company:

Dear Nigel

Many thanks for your email which I read with interest. I’m sorry that you didn’t like the programme and the choice of presenter.

Kelvin can provoke strong reactions and we do understand your point of view. However when it comes to this area of journalism he is one of the most accomplished storytellers. This wasn’t meant to be an original piece of investigative journalism but a light hearted look at some of the more memorable scandals around the World Cup.

If you wish to take the matter further then there is a clear procedure outlined on the BBC website  www.bbc.co.uk/complaints.

Once again, thank you for your email and your comments.

Best wishes

David Cook
Director, All Out Productions


I shall be replying quoting the John Pilger article piece cited above.
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I got the standard response as every one else. Pisses me off.

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The excellent piece often posted on RAWK by John Pilger notes that concerns were raised by the rest of the staff at the Sun about the story, but it was McKenzie and McKenzie alone who had the final say and went ahead with it.  The journos aren't responsible for the editorial decisions he made that day:



You are correct in saying that the journos had no responsibility for editorial decisions made that day, but they were not queuing up to criticise in the aftermath of the headline.Journalists are sometimes the biggest hypocrates going . They will kiss and tell when the coast is clear and they have jumped ship to another newspaper or broadcaster in the case of the BBC. I was making the analogy with the former Sun journalist who is now a BBC colleague of Graham Taylor. Although I was the sports sub editor, it was not my fault, I apologise.MacKenzie is a twat, but he was surrounded by plenty of yes men.

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I texted in the other day asking them to sack the idiot who authorised his appointment. I guess the guys/galls jobs safe but it's important that they get the message.

We have no option but to pay the licence fee, them spending it on lining that wankers pocket makes my fucking blood boil.
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Come on RAWK Weekend Shift - no forgetting, forgiving or succumbing  to fury fatigue.

Mr. Truth himself is on the air again with  Part  2 tomorrow,  with plenty of jolly fabrications from his mate at the Mirror about being chased around Liverpool by 6 drugs gangs after the Rooney tape.

Cos that's what Liverpudlians spend their  time doing when they're not robbing the dead, innit ?

Get mad, get even.  Let's have this bastard off the airwaves. 

Texts to 85058 e-mails to http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1.shtml
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got a personalised reply at last ::) but what do they mean by comedy? If what you're saying about the content of todays program is correct then nige it's just about slander again

Dear Mr Gill

Thank you for your further e-mail regarding 'Kelvin MacKenzie's World Cup Scandals'.

I do appreciate that you feel strongly that Kelvin MacKenzie should not have been chosen to present this programme but the BBC has nothing to add to the statement which has already been issued.

With regard to the quality of the programme, as the BBC is a public service financed by the Licence Fee it must provide programmes which cater for the whole range of tastes. We believe that there is no single set of standards in this area on which the whole of society can agree, and it is inevitable that programmes which are entertaining to some will simply not appeal to others The only realistic and fair approach for us is to ensure that the range of comedy is broad enough for all listeners to feel that they are catered for at least some of the time.

Please be assured that your further comments have been fully registered on our daily audience log. This internal document will be made available to Radio 5 Live and Senior BBC Management.

For all the latest news on the 2006 World Cup you can visit the BBC Sport and FIFA websites:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/default.stm

http://www.fifa.com/en/index.html

Please note that the BBC takes no responsibility for the content of external websites.

I hope you enjoy this year's tournament and thank you again for taking the time to contact the BBC.

Regards

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Done.

As has been said throughout the thread. One worth while witch hunt.
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Done, trying to get through to 606 as well...

Bugger.

For the record, they ask you your name, team, where you are and then to give a brief description of what you wnat to speak about. I had only thought so far as to say Peter crouch and had to elaborate on the spot! Prob sounded a bit samey so if you're trying to get on a show try to bring an angle no-one else will be thinking of.



I don't think we should let it rest just because it finishes tonight. They need to know this was a dreadful mistake never to be repeated.

Hopefully, they are getting the message.

I'll post my reply from them when I get it.

Keep up the good work everyone.
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Prob sounded a bit samey
Yes unfortunately they already had Reds on talking about Crouch, etc.


I don't think we should let it rest just because it finishes tonight. They need to know this was a dreadful mistake never to be repeated.

Hopefully, they are getting the message.

If Greeny had been doing that phone-in tonight  instead of  Lawro I would have simply asked him what he thought about  Mackenzie doing the programme; wouldn't have got any joy out of Lawro though, so I just did my irrelevant little ditty as a recorded piece.

No 606 till next Saturday unfortunately, but Byrnee's right, after him continuing his vendetta against our city in Part  2 just now, aided and abetted by that twat from the Sunday Mirror, we have got to keep on with this, asking serious questions about how this scumbag got a programme on the Beeb.

"It was meant to be light-hearted", they said in their reply to me. Light f*ckin' hearted ?  I'll give them light f*ckin' hearted, these bastards were fabricating on and on about Scouse exile mafia  issuing death threats to Stevie G. & the production company are telling me it's "light-heated" ?
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Still no reply as yet for me.

Anybody else still waiting?

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i walked in on points of view yesterday from near to the beginning i believe, am i right in thinking this issue was given a whitewash in the full programme, with no mention at all?

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There isn't much fuss on here today about the hearsay and innuendo spouted on this programme on Saturday - I guess nobody listened.

Basically Hackenzie interviewed the creep who broke the Rooney Aigburth Road  story, who was  formerly with the Sunday Mirror, and is author of a book on football scandals.

He told exagerated tales of being chased round Liverpool by criminal gangs after the Aigburth Road CCTV tape, and without any evidence whatsoever he was allowed to assert as FACT that Stevie Gerrard stayed at Liverpool because his family were threatened by overseas-based Scouse mafia exiles.

It really did come across as another attack in Mackenzie's war on Liverpool and  is certainly enough cause for anyone who has already e-mailed to do so again.

I have concentrated in my latest e-mails on the idea of this being "from an expert in this field of journalism" and "light-hearted"

Controlled fury was the tone to strike.
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Can I move the debate on a little further?

The Independent Media Section has an interview today with Bob Shennan the Head of Five Live.

Well, well, who'd have thought it - Shennan suggests he's a passionate Liverpool fan.

I assume as boss he has some say in commissioning decisions - if so he clearly doesn't know his history or couldn't care less

Maybe he should be asked to justify what was presumably his decsion to give this louse airtime.

Remember the name BOB SHENNON - supposed Red. My arse.
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Another bbc.com complaint just filed after the prick appeared in Newsnight with Paxman-

'I see Kelvin McKenzie 'graced' your Newsnight programme tonight, after he was considered too much of an expert on tabloid scandal to pass up for presenting World Cup Scandals on 5Live. So on what grounds was he indespensable tonight? Which Governer's arse is he kissing exactly? You reading this email - are you happy with yourself? Think about it. This is yet another kick in the teeth for decent people appalled by his endorsement of a story on Liverpool fans urinating and mugging their dying fellow fans at Hillsborough. It was all falshood yet he has never apologised. The fact he didn't work for BBC at the time is immaterial. He remains insidious scum and each time he appears on BBC you spit in the eye of everyone who lost a family member or freind at Hillsborough. Are you comfortable with this?'

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I changed the thread title just for fresh impetus & to see if we  can squeeze a few  final  texts and e-mails out of you good people, referring to last Saturday's programme please. we've got to make sure this bastard isn't on 5 Live again in a hurry.   Just say you heard it and were disgusted.

He told exagerated tales of being chased round Liverpool by criminal gangs after the Aigburth Road CCTV tape, and without any evidence whatsoever he was allowed to assert as FACT that Stevie Gerrard stayed at Liverpool because his family were threatened by overseas-based Scouse mafia exiles.

It really did come across as another attack in Mackenzie's war on Liverpool and  is certainly enough cause for anyone who has already e-mailed to do so again.

I have concentrated in my latest e-mails on the idea of this being "from an expert in this field of journalism" and "light-hearted"

Texts to 85058 e-mails to http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1.shtml



I see Kelvin McKenzie 'graced' your Newsnight programme tonight

Yes amongst other gems he told Jeremy Paxman that the NHS would be more efficient if it lost half its staff and the other half went off to  pick strawberries for a living.
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Thanks for highlighting this for everybody, just sent a complaint in myself.