Topic: 10 Cap Split - Final - Trend vs Nick

[tubby]

Both teams had tense semi final victories, Nick blowing a huge lead but squeaking through at the end, and Trend winning a penalty shoot-out.  If this one goes to a draw, we're doing pens again.

Expecting all the wives.  Good luck, gentlemen.


Trend


vs

Nick

[Elzar]

Might as well end this now. Only one result

[Sheer Magnetism]

It's like the 1970 World Cup all over again.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Feels like Jurgen all over again --- need to lose a few finals to get over the hump.  Congrats Nick.

Well out Tubby. 

[Samie]

How bad the beating? I can vote if you like? 

[El Lobo]

How bad the beating? I can vote if you like? 

This is like the Honduras mocking Brazil for losing to Germany in 2014

[Trendisnotdestiny]

How bad the beating? I can vote if you like? 

At this point, we should try to up the vote total --- an 18-2 pasting will only motivate the lads for next year

Do your worst Samwise.

[Samie]

This is like the Honduras mocking Brazil for losing to Germany in 2014

You should know, you were the first Brazil 2014 of this draft. 

[El Lobo]

You should know, you were the first Brazil 2014 of this draft. 

Nah that doesnt work, Brazil didnt beat the Honduras in 2014 like I beat you in the first round

[Trendisnotdestiny]

This is the kind of draft that would have done well with subs - an allowance to change personnel between games (there would have been enough time between games

Anyhow, I am thinking a small tweak to the 32 using a substitution - would have made this more competitive (alas, Gullit, Mane, Zidane, and Fat Ronaldo is an impossible front four to defend).

But our side would find some joy pinging balls up to our forwards - 1 v 1 with Nick's CB's with Zico and the wide middies compressing the offensive space in the defensive third.  But there has to be a better plan than our stacked back 5 v his front 4 --- would need a sub or two.

[Samie]

I left gratuitously with my lads with heads held up high, a straight back and a beer in each hand. 

[El Lobo]

I left gratuitously with my lads with heads held up high, a straight back and a bear in each hand. 

You can hold as many bears as your hands can manage, it still goes down as a loss

[Trendisnotdestiny]

I left gratuitously with my lads with heads held up high, a straight back and a beer in each hand. 

This seems to be a Trend.

[Samie]

*Asterisk win

It will always say that in Betty's RAWK Draft records book.

[tubby]

Feels like Jurgen all over again --- need to lose a few finals to get over the hump.  Congrats Nick.

Well out Tubby. 

Have you officially conceded then?  I can call it now if that's the case.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

How many wins for Nick now?

[Elzar]

That really is a brilliant front 4 Nick has

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Have you officially conceded then?  I can call it now if that's the case.

Yeah - its an honest result.   I almost voted for him.

[tubby]

Yeah - its an honest result.

Fair play.

Congrats, Nick.  It's done.

[Crosby Nick]

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Well played Nick!  Congrats.

Thanks Tubbs

[Crosby Nick]

How many wins for Nick now?

Too many to keep track of to be quite honest. I’ll leave that to the stats men.

Also a rare draft where I didn’t have a shortlist or spreadsheet to help, just lurched from pick to pick. Might have to try that again!

[deFacto please, you bastards]

That really is a brilliant front 4 Nick has

Not as good as mine but oh well 

[Betty Blue]

Not as good as mine but oh well 

Nick didn't have a made up player at LB though 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Nick didn't have a made up player at LB though 

Benfica's best LB ever. I don't want to hear it, when I had a world class back four and midfield, you lot went on about how it wasn't creative enough goal wise. Then when I have a world class front 6 and adequate defenders, now defending is the most important.

 

He's got a midfielder most people have no idea who he is, and Guardiola, who was a fine player but not the best in his position.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Benfica's best LB ever. I don't want to hear it, when I had a world class back four and midfield, you lot went on about how it wasn't creative enough goal wise. Then when I have a world class front 6 and adequate defenders, now defending is the most important.

 

He's got a midfielder most people have no idea who he is, and Guardiola, who was a fine player but not the best in his position.

2 man midfields can be bypassed so easily by quality players too.

Roy Keane currently complaining about it

[Betty Blue]

Benfica's best LB ever. I don't want to hear it, when I had a world class back four and midfield, you lot went on about how it wasn't creative enough goal wise. Then when I have a world class front 6 and adequate defenders, now defending is the most important.

 

He's got a midfielder most people have no idea who he is, and Guardiola, who was a fine player but not the best in his position.

It's all about balance and not picking players who don't exist 

Ronaldo is an instant draft winner as well. Throw in Zidane, Mane, and Gullit too who are all huge RAWK favourites. You had a great attack too, but Nick's is way sexier.

[Samie]

I think 95% of Gullit love is from me.

[Betty Blue]

I think 95% of Gullit love is from me.

Nah, he's been a RAWK favourite since long before even Prof put him at CB    I'd wager that Ronaldo, Gullit, and Zidane are three of the top draft player winners on here.

[Crosby Nick]

2 man midfields can be bypassed so easily by quality players too.

Roy Keane currently complaining about it

Gullit or Zidane could drop in for a third body. I mean ZZ would be fuming he couldn’t play right wing but I’d talk him round with my excellent man management.

[Crosby Nick]

And Mané would relish running at Mexes (or Heighway!).

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Gullit or Zidane could drop in for a third body. I mean ZZ would be fuming he couldn’t play right wing but I’d talk him round with my excellent man management.

That's the thing that makes your team - no need to drop either into midfield because you can score more with them higher.

The tactics of playing your team would be to lump it at your CB's and try to win 2nd balls - whether you moved Ruud or Zinedine irregardless.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

It's all about balance and not picking players who don't exist 

Ronaldo is an instant draft winner as well. Throw in Zidane, Mane, and Gullit too who are all huge RAWK favourites. You had a great attack too, but Nick's is way sexier.

You think people win drafts based on  balance? 


I've had Ronaldo numerous times with quality players surrounded. Etc... it's not my first rodeo.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

And Mané would relish running at Mexes (or Heighway!).

I am sure he would - but he has a bit of a bull in a china shop type stuff too - just contain and let him pass out of it.  Coach up Mexes - and take away a direct path to penetration and make him make decisions.  That's how you play Mane.

And the 2 man comment had more to do with Sheer and the tactics of playing 32 ---->  how our team decides to play (dominate possession or play direct) -

[tubby]

Still not sure how you planned to get away with just three defenders in the team, Trend.

Can you point me to another team in history who has successfully played that formation with two wingers in the wide positions?

[Betty Blue]

You think people win drafts based on  balance? 

On balance of how much a poster is liked, yes 

[Crosby Nick]

On balance of how much a poster is liked, yes 

I’d have won them all were that true.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Still not sure how you planned to get away with just three defenders in the team, Trend.

Can you point me to another team in history who has successfully played that formation with two wingers in the wide positions?

You do not win championships with systems - you win them with players taking on roles.   

Where players start positionally and where they end are almost always determined by the score, the tactics, and the game plan.  The question underlying of your inquiry is how would my back 5 contain his front 4.

And had I known I would be playing against that particular front 4 -- I might have subbed on a marking back and tweaked the formation a bit to create a numbers advantage greater than +1.   

However, as Betty says, these drafts have their favorites and rightfully so.   But sometimes, this leads to "group think" that misses how different approaches might be effective in overcoming perceived dominance (Chelsea v Man City in ECL final is not a bad example).

[Lastrador]

Stupid likeable Nick, he’s the only one who could win a draft putting Zidane as a right winger and having a 50’s cult player in the middle of the park.

[tubby]

You do not win championships with systems - you win them with players taking on roles.   

Where players start positionally and where they end are almost always determined by the score, the tactics, and the game plan.  The question underlying your inquiry is how would my back 5 contain his front 4.

And had I known I would be playing against that particular front 4 -- I might have subbed on a marking back and tweaked the formation a bit to create a numbers advantage greater than +1.   

However, as Betty says, these drafts have their favorites and rightfully so.   But sometimes, this leads to "group think" that misses how different approaches might be effective in overcoming perceived dominance (Chelsea v Man City in ECL final is not a bad example).

Just one team from history.  I don't ever recall seeing that formation employed successfully using two wingers in the wide spots instead of two fullbacks/wingbacks.