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« Reply #1080 on: August 8, 2014, 06:55:30 pm »
I must have answered this twenty times in this thread.
I didn't want to start trawling through your post history I just thought it would be easier to ask you.

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« Reply #1081 on: August 8, 2014, 06:57:25 pm »
Excuse my ignorance but why do the Mormons hate him so much?
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« Reply #1082 on: August 8, 2014, 07:01:14 pm »
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« Reply #1083 on: August 8, 2014, 07:03:29 pm »
It's more than that mind. He's also black and much of the uneducated right is convinced he's a Muslimical Terrist heck bent on bringing Socialism and Gays Marrying everyone.

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« Reply #1084 on: August 8, 2014, 07:03:49 pm »
Are you really seeing it "clearly"? There is no "subtle but consistent attempt" to link Islamist violence to all Muslims in this thread. Quite the opposite. The thread, right from the very start, is largely about the Muslim victims of Islamist violence. I would defy anyone to read the thread and not see this is true.

Some folks have got upset or annoyed that posters (like me) have linked Islamism with Islam. But I'm certain that no critic of Islamism has reduced the creed to Islam or claimed, for example, that Islamists are the true and authentic interpreters of the Koran.  My own argument - and Corky's too I think - is that the Koran is contradictory and open to multiple interpretations. We both happen to think it's a fictional work, but that's by the by. The important point is that it is self-evidently contradictory. It contains - like the Bible - nice bits and nasty bits, peaceful bits and violent bits. It is mad, therefore, to use the Koran, in all its incredible confusion, as the basis for building a modern society. The Islamists wish to do this. Ergo they are mad.

That's all.

If that's "Islamophobia" then fine, I'm an "Islamophobe". But it won't stop me from standing up for Muslims being murdered and butchered by the Islamists.

There have been posts removed from this thread which were Islamophobic by the Mods, that is evidence enough. No one in their right mind would support violence by terrorists who call themselves Islamists, neither would anyone criticize you for "standing up" for muslim victims . And you know that. And you also know that is not Islamophobia.

I dont think you are indifferent towards muslim victims - you seem to be justifying that you care about them. I feel you care about any victims, but only if Islamic fundamentalism is the cause. That is disconcerting and makes me wonder if you really care about them or you care more about discrediting the ideology, and hence the religion.

There are muslim victims of other extremist religious ideologies too you know - there have been innumerable events of hindu extremism against muslims where thousands of innocents have lost their lives, Buddhist extremism in Sri Lanka and Myanmmar where they have been slaughtered. Muslims specifically in Myanmar have a limit of 2 kids, which does not apply to anyone else, only if you are muslim. There has been ethnic cleansing in central african republic, where population of muslims in Bangui has dropped from 130,000 to less than 1,000 in a matter of a couple of months and French troops have had to escort them out to protect them from the Christian militias. And last but not the least, of jewish extremists in Palestine that make claims of their god given right to live in Israel, wishing to drive the arabs into the sea and where national newspapers carry articles that say 'When Genocide is Allowed'. This is not to say the muslims are covered in glory, they too are responsible for reprehnsible crimes. But it will be nice to see you condemn all this too.

In any case, I dont want to carry this on mate. I dont like to get personal, but I felt I needed to reply here. You know what I mean and so do a lot of people who get my drift. You have the right to be concerned about anything you like and post about it. You probably will disagree but this is my point of view, try to consider it as an honest observation rather than any petty/childish accusation that I am making.

EDIT: To also add, I may be wrong in how I view your posts. In that case, I apologise but I am only going by what I have read in this thread.
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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1085 on: August 8, 2014, 07:09:40 pm »
I didn't want to start trawling through your post history I just thought it would be easier to ask you.

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Something like that.  :)

No, to answer your question I can think of nowt more stupid or dangerous than building a society on the back of a single book - religious or otherwise. That applies to the Bible as much as the Koran. The fact that both books are fictional and belong to a pre-Enlightenment age when superstition was rife and scientific understanding so weak makes the enterprise even more absurd. Finally, to impose those ideas on a reluctant people - and there will always be reluctant people - means that violence will inevitably be used.

I concentrate on Islamism rather than political versions of Christianity because the former is in the ascendant right now and the General Francos of the world with their clerical fascism are now - happily - vanquished. 
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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1086 on: August 8, 2014, 07:12:22 pm »
There have been posts removed from this thread which were Islamophobic by the Mods, that is evidence enough.

None by me, that I'm aware of and no Mods have tapped me on the shoulder. Yorky?

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1087 on: August 8, 2014, 07:12:56 pm »
Now, now. I am aware you and La Fisk don't see eye to eye but he makes a decent point. There's a perfectly rational explanation, too. Obama comes from an overwhelmingly Christian nation, so when Christians are getting terrorised, it gets more airtime and he gets more grief. He'd never admit that, mind, or the fact that so many Americans still think he's a Muslim probably has something to do with it too.

I think the Yazidi will be shocked to learn they are Christians.


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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1088 on: August 8, 2014, 07:14:51 pm »
None by me, that I'm aware of and no Mods have tapped me on the shoulder. Yorky?

I haven't had any posts removed.
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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1089 on: August 8, 2014, 07:16:07 pm »
I think the Yazidi will be shocked to learn they are Christians.

Still aspiring to nothing more worthy than potshots, I see. ISIS seized control of Iraq's largest Christian city yesterday. Do try to keep up.


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« Reply #1090 on: August 8, 2014, 07:20:49 pm »
Sorry, that's all I heard so I don't know.

A quick check on Fisk suggests he was supporting Obama's policy of non-intervention when Muslims were being massacred by ISIS.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/robert-fisk-the-caliphate-in-iraq-is-just-the-latest-enemy-in-our-war-on-terror-30375706.html

If we join the war, we are taking the side of Iraqi Shia against the Sunnis, just as in Syria we have taken the side of Syrian Sunni rebels against the Alawite (and therefore Shia) government of Bashar al-Assad.

PS His cynicism is breathtaking.
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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1091 on: August 8, 2014, 07:26:35 pm »
Still aspiring to nothing more worthy than potshots, I see. ISIS seized control of Iraq's largest Christian city yesterday. Do try to keep up.


And the US was dropping supplies and air support for the non-Christians.   

Fisk is simply Yank bashing, as usual.


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« Reply #1092 on: August 8, 2014, 07:33:09 pm »
A quick check on Fisk suggests he was supporting Obama's policy of non-intervention when Muslims were being massacred by ISIS.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/robert-fisk-the-caliphate-in-iraq-is-just-the-latest-enemy-in-our-war-on-terror-30375706.html

If we join the war, we are taking the side of Iraqi Shia against the Sunnis, just as in Syria we have taken the side of Syrian Sunni rebels against the Alawite (and therefore Shia) government of Bashar al-Assad.

PS His cynicism is breathtaking.

Hmm. It's a little equivocal and to be fair to him, I didn't hear him say he approved of intervention now so he can snipe away at Obama all he wants.

Fisk is one of those guys where I don't trust him necessarily but I'm glad he's around because he's usually original.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1093 on: August 8, 2014, 07:38:01 pm »
And the US was dropping supplies and air support for the non-Christians.   

Stop. Just stop.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1094 on: August 8, 2014, 07:39:51 pm »
Buddhist extremism in Sri Lanka
If you could stick to the subject of the thread and not something you know very little about, it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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« Reply #1095 on: August 8, 2014, 07:41:12 pm »
If you could stick to the subject of the thread and not something you know very little about, it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

That's kind of your kryptonite.

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« Reply #1096 on: August 8, 2014, 07:52:12 pm »
That's kind of your kryptonite.
Ha ha. Kryptonite is the same sense that child-raping Catholic priests are yours; I just can't let it pass without comment.

I thought kryptonite would suggest a weakness? I hadn't thought of it that way.

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« Reply #1097 on: August 8, 2014, 07:59:07 pm »
If you could stick to the subject of the thread and not something you know very little about, it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

I will only post this to prove I am not talking out of my arse like some people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27880922
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24950787
https://news.vice.com/article/meet-the-violent-buddhists-starting-riots-in-sri-lanka

Getting back to the topic - I have been waiting for this for some time, but vice have got access to ISIS. For anyone who is interested:
https://news.vice.com/video/the-islamic-state-part-1

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1098 on: August 8, 2014, 07:59:34 pm »
Stop. Just stop.

stop what exactly?   Corrections? 

You've made the charge that the only reason Obama has intervened now is because a Christian city was overrun.  When in actual fact Christians have be on the run for years and the US actions in the past day have been to primarily protect and aid two non-Christian groups, the Yazidi and the Kurds.

I doesn't really matter to me if Obama's motivation is because he wants to protect Yazidi, Christian, Sunni, Shiite or any other group from ISIL.

It does however seem to matter to some.

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« Reply #1099 on: August 8, 2014, 08:19:17 pm »
Something like that.  :)

No, to answer your question I can think of nowt more stupid or dangerous than building a society on the back of a single book - religious or otherwise. That applies to the Bible as much as the Koran. The fact that both books are fictional and belong to a pre-Enlightenment age when superstition was rife and scientific understanding so weak makes the enterprise even more absurd. Finally, to impose those ideas on a reluctant people - and there will always be reluctant people - means that violence will inevitably be used.

I concentrate on Islamism rather than political versions of Christianity because the former is in the ascendant right now and the General Francos of the world with their clerical fascism are now - happily - vanquished.
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You mentioned the Bible and Koran in the post I originally quoted but I was referring to the other Religion which as had a huge influence on both Christianity and Islam...Judaism
Seems a bit unfair to not mention them when talking about extremist views and forming a modern society.
 

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1100 on: August 8, 2014, 09:44:33 pm »
I will only post this to prove I am not talking out of my arse like some people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27880922
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24950787
https://news.vice.com/article/meet-the-violent-buddhists-starting-riots-in-sri-lanka
So, three people died in a riot. Sadly, it does happen as it did in London (five dead), but I'm surprised that it's worth a mention when currently thousands are getting ethnically cleansed by IS on their Mission from Allah. The second article is about CHOGM and Cameron's posturing for domestic consumption. The third is from Vice, who do some excellent articles, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.

Of course three deaths is three deaths too many, Muslim or otherwise, but needs to be seen in the context of a country that has just come out civil war which left around 100,000 dead. This on top of two Marxist uprisings which left c. 20,000 & 70,000 dead that no one seems to be aware. The country will find it's equilibrium, but that takes time. It's left behind the whataboutery that you revelled in in the Israel/Gaza thread and you're indulging in here.

One result of a military victory is that we often see an upturn in nationalism. Extremist Buddhists, contradiction in terms though they are, are entitled to their opinion. But that's democracy for you.They make a lot of noise but don't carry much weight. In the absence of war the population can demand more from their elected representatives. Sri Lanka needs an abolition of the Executive Presidency and strong Opposition to progress further. I'm certain you know this being so well acquainted with the situation in Sri Lanka and not the type of person who relies on a quick search on Google to make a point on a football forum.

Some say region and politics shouldn't mix, and I'd broadly agree, but is somewhat dependent on which religion. I'll reproduce some excerpts of a letter sent by the Buddhist equivalent Arch-Bishops and Bishops to the President of Sri Lanka where they argued that the independence of the judiciary was in-line with Buddhist teachings. The full content can be found here. I'm sure you're well aware of it, SadRed, as someone who's so knowledgeable about the situation in Sri Lanka, but I share it for anyone who's not so blessed.


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If there is a collapse in law and order it is rather difficult to rise up as a righteous nation. If we are to re-kindle the fast vanishing human values in our country, we must make the man a humanist, who respects human values. Teaching of Lord Buddha elucidates that the selfish craving , ignorance, hatred, lead to the destruction of human society.
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The legislature, Executive and the Judiciary can perform an immense service to maintain morals, law and peace in any civilized democratic society. It should be based on law, justice, patience and fairness. In order to achieve this end, it is not proper to resort to actions which will generate an apprehension with regard to the judiciary and the judges.
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It is possible to get humans to respect law and traditions by acting according to human ethics without scorn. Therefore to avoid the breakdown in law and deterioration of society as a result of the impeachment motion we kindly request that the impeachment motion be withdrawn, taking into consideration the recent recommendation of the Supreme Court. This will be beneficial to the country.


I see that you struggle to explain the reality that two groups - decent law-abiding Muslims and murderous Jidahists - can have differing views on the interpretation of the same book. From the outside looking in, I can only draw the conclusion that the Koran (and the Bible) aren't very well written. Making that statement isn't Islamophobic to my understanding of the term. Asking why the absolute word of Allah is open to interpretation carries a pretty severe penalty in Islam, so I can understand you're in a bit of a bind.


Anyway, back to Islamism.

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« Reply #1101 on: August 8, 2014, 10:03:03 pm »
Asking why the absolute word of Allah is open to interpretation carries a pretty severe penalty in Islam, so I can understand you're in a bit of a bind.

Thank you for assuming my religion, my beliefs and everything else. And for being utterly condescending. Ofcourse buddhism can never go wrong, its only a little imbalance. Vice and BBC are stupid for saying buddhist extremism, and ofcourse nothing has happened in Myanmmar. There is no one who calls himself "Burmese Bin Laden" and rohingya people are having a great time.

Anyway, as you say, its only Islam thats evil. And as you only want experts to speak here, I am pretty sure you are an expert on Islam. So carry on bashing till you feel satisfied. Your reply is enough to end this conversation on my side with you, your comment proves quite eloquently the point I have been trying to make.
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« Reply #1102 on: August 8, 2014, 10:06:52 pm »
Some say region and politics shouldn't mix, and I'd broadly agree, but is somewhat dependent on which religion.

Equality for all religions but a little bit more equality for some?

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« Reply #1103 on: August 8, 2014, 10:10:45 pm »
Equality for all religions but a little bit more equality for some?

As some people are more evil than others, so are religions. And thats not Islamophobia, its only the truth.

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« Reply #1105 on: August 8, 2014, 11:33:47 pm »
Thank you for assuming my religion, my beliefs and everything else.
I've read your posts. If I'm incorrect in assuming you're a follower of Islam, fell free to correct me.

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And for being utterly condescending.
Your failure to address a even single part of a post that was addressed to you only reinforces the my original contention that you don't know what you're talking about. If you don't like my tone, then tough. You could always choose to demonstrate you know something about Sri Lanka. But you choose not to. This is not my problem.

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Ofcourse buddhism can never go wrong,
I haven't said that. You have on my behalf. Don't do it. I don't like it.


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Vice and BBC are stupid for saying buddhist extremism, and ofcourse nothing has happened in Myanmmar. There is no one who calls himself "Burmese Bin Laden" and rohingya people are having a great time.
I haven't said that. You have on my behalf. Don't do it. I don't like it. I'm not fully aware of what's happening in Myanmar. You could choose to enlighten all of us but have failed to so so, as yet.

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Anyway, as you say, its only Islam thats evil.
I haven't said that. You have on my behalf. Don't do it. I don't like it.


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And as you only want experts to speak here, I am pretty sure you are an expert on Islam. So carry on bashing till you feel satisfied. Your reply is enough to end this conversation on my side with you, your comment proves quite eloquently the point I have been trying to make.
GET OFF THE VICTIM CHAIR! Victimhood was defined by Stephen Karpman with is Karpman Drama Triangle in 1968. A good overview of the phenomenon can be found here. I understand why you behave the way you do better than you do. I provide a couple of quotes from Psychology Today to illustrate my point:


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I explained that any people adopt the victim role, albeit unintentionally, because they are afraid of their anger, deny its existence in themselves, project it onto other people, and anticipate aggression or harm from them. With this expectation and a high sensitivity to anger in others, they may even distort other people’s facial expressions, imagining that they have malicious intentions. The anger that they would have experienced in response to frustration or stress is transformed into fear and distrust of others and into feelings of being hurt or wounded.
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People who become mired down in feeling victimized tend to view events in their lives as happening to them and feel ineffective and overwhelmed. They also operate on the basic assumption that the world should be fair, which is a child’s way of thinking.
I contend that your attempt to shut down the conversation on Sri Lanka, off topic as it is, is because you lack the tools and knowledge to conduct an adult discussion on the subject. You could always prove my ignorance wrong if you choose to.
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Re: Islamism
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« Reply #1107 on: August 9, 2014, 12:05:16 am »
For people who dont think that the inherent evil in Islam is the cause of all the problems in the world (especially if you agree that Christianity, Judaism and other religions have a lot in common with Islam what would be considered unsavoury today), then this is my view on the rapid spread and disturbingly widespread support Islamists are finding in the world.

I think religion based political movements exist or have existed before dying out, everywhere in the world and have found widespread support amongst people who follow that particular religion at different times in history. Religious parties exist for every religion, who claim to be following the word of god, quite extreme to start with, but when faced with public unease, slowly re-aligning themselves to become more acceptable to mainstream. What has happened and is unique in terms of Islamism, is a consistent failure for it to make any headway politically.

One example is India where the national government - started as an extreme right wing religion based party, but slowly become more mainstream and now enjoys widespread support. They realized it would be impossible to defend their views once the attention was on them. If they tried, they would put people off in the next elections, hence they were forced to make themselves more palatable. Ofcourse there will always remain a slant, but they cannot remain out of touch with reality else they will not have a chance of getting in power.

Islamic political movements have not gone through this process, predominantly because geopolitical calibrations have always led to collapse of Islamist governements in the Arab world. If free and fair elections were held in middle east today, I think most will agree that Islamist parties will win. Whenever they have happened, it has been followed by a coup often backed by west, and crushing popular will often accompanied by imprisoning Islamist leaders and brutal crackdown on their supporters. Algeria 1992 or Egypt recently is just a couple of examples. Instead they have been forced to live with dictators they hate, or end up in a power vaccuum to be run by ruthless militias. Also, there are serious restrictions on following Islam in many of the so called muslim countries, where the dictators feel threatened by the Islamists. Many so called muslim countries have bans on wearing headscarf in various places while people with a beards or overtly religious symbols are seen with suspicion. The are serious restrictions on religious freedoms, not to mention minorities, but even on muslims themselves. Muslims in west enjoy much more religious freedom to even follow Islam than they can have in Middle East.

This fuels even more anger against the governments. Maghreb region has become a hotbed of Islamic terrorist activity precisely for this reason, with major terrorist activity being reported in Algeria, Libya, Morroco, Chad, Mali, Mauritania and Nigeria. But this is only a start. What is currently being ignored by many countries is central asia where the regimes in countries like Uzbekistan, Kazakastan and closer to home in Azerbaijan having brutalizing the population for decades and there is serious conflict brewing, like in the Ferghana valley. Again these countries are run by horrendously brutal dictators like Karimov, but they receive unlimited arms and support from the west, as long as the gas flows. How long can this last?

Due to these frustrations, people are supporting what are more and more extreme movements. I am afraid this will keep growing unless, genuine democracies are established in the region. They may throw up unpalatable results at the start, like Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, but as long the democratic process is followed, they will be forced to become more mainstream, e.g. Ennahda in Tunisia and AKP in Turkey. They will always have a religious slant, but so do republicans in the US or a Likud in Israel. There needs to be an outlet for people's desire to have government which represents them ideologically.

A case in point is Iran, no matter how much it is attacked for various reasons in the western media, remains a functioning democracy, albeit a religious version of it. It helps balance the strongly religious people, at the same time accomodating the needs of more liberal section of the country. As people evolve, so will the political parties like the transition from Ahmedinejad to Rouhani. This all takes time and wont be done overnight. Atleast it will not lead to terrorism as long as people have legitimate means to express themselves politically.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1108 on: August 9, 2014, 12:07:16 am »
Hmm. It's a little equivocal and to be fair to him, I didn't hear him say he approved of intervention now so he can snipe away at Obama all he wants.

I'm sure he's against ALL intervention (by the West at least). But that makes his criticism of Obama for (supposedly) intervening to save Christians but not Muslims even more empty-headed. Why? Because it demonstrates the fact that Fisk couldn't care a fig for the people under duress (Christian or Muslim) and is only motivated by a desire to stick one to the American president.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1109 on: August 9, 2014, 12:10:33 am »


I am not interested in a petulant discussion with you, enjoy riding your high horse.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1110 on: August 9, 2014, 12:11:16 am »
Cheers
You mentioned the Bible and Koran in the post I originally quoted but I was referring to the other Religion which as had a huge influence on both Christianity and Islam...Judaism
Seems a bit unfair to not mention them when talking about extremist views and forming a modern society.
 

The Jews have never tried to build a society based on Judaism though - at least not in the last 2000 years. No one has ever been moaned at for failing to convert to Judaism, or even hit with a spatula, let alone murdered.   
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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1111 on: August 9, 2014, 12:18:42 am »
The Jews have never tried to build a society based on Judaism though - at least not in the last 2000 years. No one has ever been moaned at for failing to convert to Judaism, or even hit with a spatula, let alone murdered.   

That's not true. Thousands of New York Jews have been tortured by their mothers to become accountants and doctors. Plus, they have to endure unimaginably bad food.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1112 on: August 9, 2014, 12:20:12 am »
That's not true. Thousands of New York Jews have been tortured by their mothers to become accountants and doctors.

Apparently this is true. And yet equal numbers insist on becoming writers and comedians.

(Oh, and running the world in secret and devious ways, of course)
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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1113 on: August 9, 2014, 12:22:42 am »


Islamic political movements have not gone through this process, predominantly because geopolitical calibrations have always led to collapse of Islamist governements in the Arab world. If free and fair elections were held in middle east today, I think most will agree that Islamist parties will win. Whenever they have happened, it has been followed by a coup often backed by west, and crushing popular will often accompanied by imprisoning Islamist leaders and brutal crackdown on their supporters. Algeria 1992 or Egypt recently is just a couple of examples. Instead they have been forced to live with dictators they hate, or end up in a power vaccuum to be run by ruthless militias. Also, there are serious restrictions on following Islam in many of the so called muslim countries, where the dictators feel threatened by the Islamists. Many so called muslim countries have bans on wearing headscarf in various places while people with a beards or overtly religious symbols are seen with suspicion. The are serious restrictions on religious freedoms, not to mention minorities, but even on muslims themselves. Muslims in west enjoy much more religious freedom to even follow Islam than they can have in Middle East.





To be fair this is simply your subjective views. 

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1114 on: August 9, 2014, 12:29:40 am »
To be fair this is simply your subjective views. 

I am not saying they are not. I am only trying to say why I think there is such a surge of terrorist activity. If you have been to these places you will know what I am saying. People need an outlet, and they feel suppressed. Thats why there was the Arab spring where revolts spread like wildfire. My opinion ofcourse.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1115 on: August 9, 2014, 12:31:18 am »
GET OFF THE VICTIM CHAIR! Victimhood was defined by Stephen Karpman with is Karpman Drama Triangle in 1968. A good overview of the phenomenon can be found here. I understand why you behave the way you do better than you do. I provide a couple of quotes from Psychology Today to illustrate my point:

What a load of pseudoscientific bollocks.
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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1116 on: August 9, 2014, 12:36:59 am »
I am not saying they are not. I am only trying to say why I think there is such a surge of terrorist activity. If you have been to these places you will know what I am saying. People need an outlet, and they feel suppressed. Thats why there was the Arab spring where revolts spread like wildfire. My opinion ofcourse.

On the other side of the coin of course you could also look at groups like ISIS as simply being an outlet for a bunch of nut jobs who under ordinary circumstances and indeed society would either be in jail or be dead.  But instead they have the outlet and freedom to brainwash loads of 'followers' into joining what is nothing more than a bunch of murdering psychopaths, masquerading under the 'banner' of religion.

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1117 on: August 9, 2014, 12:40:07 am »
I am not interested in a petulant discussion with you, enjoy riding your high horse.
Ha ha. Your inability to address anything that I've posted only reinforces the idea that you lack the tools or knowledge to conduct an adult discourse. Don't talk about Sri Lanka again. Run away little person  :wave

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1118 on: August 9, 2014, 12:41:30 am »
What a load of pseudoscientific bollocks.
Enlighten me

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Re: Islamism
« Reply #1119 on: August 9, 2014, 12:45:12 am »
On the other side of the coin of course you could also look at groups like ISIS as simply being an outlet for a bunch of nut jobs who under ordinary circumstances and indeed society would either be in jail or be dead.  But instead they have the outlet and freedom to brainwash loads of 'followers' into joining what is nothing more than a bunch of murdering psychopaths, masquerading under the 'banner' of religion.

If that was the case I dont think they will get the widespread support they seem to be getting. Specifically in the case of ISIS, in Iraq 2010, Iraqis voted for Iraqiya which won the maximum seats in the parliament which were backed by both Sunnis and Shias. Yet the US and Iran supported Nour al Maliki, who has completely alienated the sunni population in the north. Even before ISIS, Iraq was sending in the army to take control of places like Falluja, where sunni tribals were infact running a parallel state.

ISIS has only been able to advance so rapidly because of support of Sunnis in the North, who were frustrated with Shia government. If there was representative system to satisfy the sunnis, I dont think ISIS could have got into Iraq like they did. Its another matter that I think the borders in the middle east are completely fucked up.