Topic: Bernard Diomede

[Rushian]

Paul Ince for me ..... he used us as a vehicle for his own ego.

[Reeves]

Paul Ince for me ..... he used us as a vehicle for his own ego.

Guvnor  

[Stevo]

O.....Leonhardson and Mark Walters  

Mark Walters was class, remember his goal V Blackburn 93/94?

[stoz]

errrrr, no

[Roger]

Too much stuff is bought for too much without a hope in hell of giving it a decent run in the first team.

£3.5M for 3 games in the first team is barmy.

 

[WOOLTONIAN]

Wooltonian,

I have but one question (giggling manically)

Are any of the current squad, signings from outside or youth team products, regardless of perceived merits or lack of, in any way, shape or form, as bad a Paul Stewart?

While we continue to compare crap with crap, we will never advance.
I have been asked many times whether Ged is any worse than Souness and Evans. This isn't the point at all. For us to return to greatness we should be setting our standards at what preceeded 1990 not what followed.
We have been in the doldrums for most of your young lives, so I do understand your frustrations, but people who are older remember the great times when Liverpool not only conquered England but Europe too.
In my day we EXPECTED the title anything else was a bonus.
When I was born we were in the 2nd Division, but the arrival of Shanks changed all that.
From Shanks to Bob, from Bob to Joe, from Joe to Kenny, we ruled Europe and nearly the world.
All due to the standards set of replacing a player with a better player wherever possible.
Since Souness took over or probably since Kenny signed Speedy, our standards have fallen.
As the rest of the top sides are continuing to improve by signing best ever players, we have signed journeymen and possible stars for the future.
Our standards should be set as follows
Goalkeepers : Scott / Clemence
R Back : Lawler / Neal / Nicol
L Back : Lindsay / Byrne / Kennedy
C Back : Yeats / Hansen / Lawrenson
Midfield : Souness / McDermott / Smith / Hughes / Stevenson / Kennedy / McMahon
Wingers (if wanted) Liddell, Barnes, Thompson
Strikers : Rush, Hunt, Hodgson, Kenny, God.
If we were to set our standards at this level, we would again challenge the best in Europe.

While we spend time setting our standards or comparing our squad with players like ;
(a sandwich short of a) Picnic
Paul Stewart
Kvarme
Hyysen
Dean Saunders
Paul Walsh
We will continue to slide into the abyss.

If your happy with what you are currently watching fine, but dont expect any major titles.
With the exception of
Owen, Gerrard, Kirkland, Riise, Baros, Mellor, Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, Pongo and Talc, who if they continue to progress might make the all time lists, the rest are MEDIOCRE at best.

Hope this generates a debate at least, I dont go in for personal slanging matches.

Wooly

[Zach]

Interesting that you didn't put Henchoz and Hyypia in the list, as well as Hamann...

Oops.. missed that post you made earlier...

[WOOLTONIAN]

Hamann is no Souness mate, he spends most of his time helping the back four out, we actualy play with a back 5 when Didi plays.
I like watching Didi playing for Germany, but we have not used him to the best of his capability.

Our Back Four used to spend most of its time stood on the half way line or foraging forward.
This lot are frightened of leaving the box, let alone their own half.
Its the slowest back four I can remember.
Look at the goals scored by past full backs and ask yerself will Carra or Henchoz ever join the list.
I think Hyypia is as strong as Yeats, but he needs pace along side him if we are to improve.
But I honestly believe we need a whole NEW back four or indeed a back three.
It sickens me watching us have four at the back marking either 1 or 2 up front.
If we must play a sweeper which Didi does most weeks, why do we need another 4 ?
We either need two raiding full-backs ie Riise and AN Other with two pacey centre backs or change to a back three, with width in midfield.
If your curious who was our sweeper in the glory days it was RAY CLEMENCE

[Zach]

I like watching Didi playing for Germany, but we have not used him to the best of his capability.

Agree. He looks so good with Germany, here he barely gets forward.

Our Back Four used to spend most of its time stood on the half way line or foraging forward.
This lot are frightened of leaving the box, let alone their own half.

Not only our defenders, even our midfielders seem afraid to get forward.

Its the slowest back four I can remember.
Look at the goals scored by past full backs and ask yerself will Carra or Henchoz ever join the list.
I think Hyypia is as strong as Yeats, but he needs pace along side him if we are to improve.
But I honestly believe we need a whole NEW back four or indeed a back three.
It sickens me watching us have four at the back marking either 1 or 2 up front.
If we must play a sweeper which Didi does most weeks, why do we need another 4 ?
We either need two raiding full-backs ie Riise and AN Other with two pacey centre backs or change to a back three, with width in midfield.

Agree but I think changing it completely would be harsh, I was just talking the other day about our reluctance to play with two attacking full backs and Hamann as the protector (It was John Mac's "I'm here to be shot at" thread)

If your curious who was our sweeper in the glory days it was RAY CLEMENCE

But back then you could pass backwards to your keeper with no fuss too.

[WOOLTONIAN]

But back then you could pass backwards to your keeper with no fuss too.

You still can, the keeper just cant pick it up.

[Zach]

You still can, the keeper just cant pick it up.

It's a bit different though...

Wooly, if you were the chairman, would you let GH go today?

[WOOLTONIAN]

If I was the chairman, I would have sat down with Ged at the end of his 5 year spell and asked him had he achieved everything he came to do.
If he would have resigned I would have accepted it.
If he was satisfied with his tenure I would have sacked him.
If he owned up to not meeting his own targets and showed me a way forward, I would give him another year.
If he had no answers, I would agree to seperate amicably.

[Zach]

Too bad you're not in charge.

And I thought that anyone who slates Ged and criticizes him is just a young spoilt brat who has no experience and no knowledge of history  


People keep saying that Shankly has won nothing for 7 years and that *I* would have sacked him because I'm not patient enough.

Is there any relevance to this comparison between Shankly and Ged?

[WOOLTONIAN]

Shankly was nearly sacked but for the intervention of TV Williams.
But he gave everyone HOPE, that he would get things right. people believed every word Shankly said, can you say the same about Ged ?
Listening to Shanks rally calls made the hairs stand up on your neck, he said he would make us great and HE DID.
Shanks was a man of the people a bloody brilliant Socialist.
Ged is more like a cross between Attila the Hun and Margaret Thatcher.
You can only compare with people who have preceeded your tenure not those who might come in the future.
Has Ged filled Shanks Boots ?
Is the current board as good as Sawyer and Williams ?
Would any of the current squad make the all time 11 ?
Is the current atmosphere as good as in the 60's when we were not so successful ?
Is the current ticket distribution better than the Pay on arrival system of the 60's and 70's ?
Is all right in the Hallowed Halls of Anfield ?

If you can answer YES to all of above, I will concede defeat.

[Zach]

I can't say yes to even one of these questions  

[WOOLTONIAN]

Me neither mate, but as always I live in hope that things will turn around.
Always remember we sign for LIFE not a contract for 5 or 10 years.
I spend more time a week defending my club than the current squad do.
I have the bruises to prove it too.

[Zach]

You're right, hope is important.
Without hope we have nothing to play for.

Cheers for that mate.

[Armin]

Wooltonian, I asked if any of our current lot were worse that Paul Stewart.  You replied:

While we continue to compare crap with crap, we will never advance.

I simply refer you to the title of this thread.

I have been asked many times whether Ged is any worse than Souness and Evans. This isn't the point at all.

Agreed.  The thread was a relatively harmless assessment of the various poor signings and players who have occasionally trod the hallowed turf.  It was not (at least up to then, a vehicle to slate the current team, or even to consider the merits of the manager.

While we spend time setting our standards or comparing our squad with players like ;
(a sandwich short of a) Picnic
Paul Stewart
Kvarme
Hyysen
Dean Saunders
Paul Walsh
We will continue to slide into the abyss.

Hmmn, somewhat melodramatic don't you think? I don't think a bunch of fans taking 5 minutes to recall some dodgy signings is going to prejudice the future of this club, if Gerard, Parry and the first team were participating I'd concede it wasn't constructive but the 10 minutes I've devoted to it would otherwise have been spent working  Liverpool would be none the better for it either.

If your happy with what you are currently watching fine, but dont expect any major titles.
With the exception of
Owen, Gerrard, Kirkland, Riise, Baros, Mellor, Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, Pongo and Talc, who if they continue to progress might make the all time lists, the rest are MEDIOCRE at best.

You named 11 players, I wonder if you could have done the same with the squad Gerard inherited?

You don't rate Sami, fair enough you're call but many, including myself, consider him a fine defender.  

As the rest of the top sides are continuing to improve by signing best ever players, we have signed journeymen and possible stars for the future.

So the other managers don't make mistakes?  For every Diomede there is a Taibi, or a Vivas.  We're not as concious of them because we are solely concerned with Liverpool but they're still there.  Wenger signe Cygan this year, doesn't seem up to it, has he lost it?

Hope this generates a debate at least, I dont go in for personal slanging matches.

Agreed, me neither.  But the debate, (which is interesting and I've enjoyed reading_ could just as easily have taken place on a different thread, there is nothing wrong with the discussion on this one.

Now - Will the honourable member for Woolton please answer the question concerning Paul Stewart and the present lot

 

[mercury]

Shankly was nearly sacked but for the intervention of TV Williams.
But he gave everyone HOPE, that he would get things right. people believed every word Shankly said, can you say the same about Ged ?

YES

Listening to Shanks rally calls made the hairs stand up on your neck, he said he would make us great and HE DID.
Shanks was a man of the people a bloody brilliant Socialist.

What the hell of being a bloody socialist have anything to do with a football manager or football for that matter?

Ged is more like a cross between Attila the Hun and Margaret Thatcher.

This slanging is not at all any constructive to the debate.

You can only compare with people who have preceeded your tenure not those who might come in the future.

True.  It's like the sea is salty and a mother is a woman - you can't be wrong here (i.e. until science provides an alternative   )

And what does it suppose to mean in the context of the debate here?

Has Ged filled Shanks Boots ?

Not yet, but very close to, bar the title.  

Just referring to your previous post:  you said you wish to sit down w/ GH after 5 years but you have already decided what to do after 4 years.  Not quite brilliant.

Is the current board as good as Sawyer and Williams ?
Is the current atmosphere as good as in the 60's when we were not so successful ?
Is the current ticket distribution better than the Pay on arrival system of the 60's and 70's ?

Messrs Williams & Co, as you pointed out, were great because they intervene to give Shankly time.  The logic, then, is that if the current board have to be as great, they should keep their faith in GH.   This I agree heartedly.

And, what the hell is the board, the atmosphere, the ticketing has anything to do with GH, his squad and his management?

Is all right in the Hallowed Halls of Anfield ?

I defer to your knowledge of Anfield, being an overseas fan myself.

Would any of the current squad make the all time 11 ?

If we could get one or two in there w/ so many of our greats, that would be phenomenal.   I think the current squad at least have a handful that are comparable to them, if not to beat them. Owen has to be up there.  Potentially:  Stevie G, the SH pairing, Diouf.  It is too early to judge.  It would depend on how our players  would flair in the next few years.

If you can answer YES to all of above, I will concede defeat.

No, you should not concede defeat but to sort out your head for some constructive, relevant reasoning of your opinion.

[[streety]]

Former red Beranrd Diomede has scored a hattrick in a 3-1 win against FC Metz, unfortunately Ajaccio are still relegated.

Why couldn't he do that for us?

[Col]

Erm, because hes shit!

[Steve.L]

 

[Richardson]

 

[Bob Kurac]

Former red Beranrd Diomede has scored a hattrick in a 3-1 win against FC Metz, unfortunately Ajaccio are still relegated.

Why couldn't he do that for us?

what, get us relegated ?

he's no alan smith ...

[Gnurglan]

what, get us relegated ?

he's no alan smith ...

[Ian-TN]

Why couldn't he do that for us?

Everytime he scored it was disallowed so no way he could do that.

[Nicoliverpool]

Former red Beranrd Diomede has scored a hattrick in a 3-1 win against FC Metz, unfortunately Ajaccio are still relegated.

Why couldn't he do that for us?

Ajaccio are not relegated...they would have been if they'd lost that game, so Diomede kinda saved them