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Well he's done well at every other club he's ever managed so far and he's won the PL before so I would say he has an above average chance of being a success if he did go to OT.

arthur sarnoff · « **Reply #2205 on:** September 16, 2011, 09:29:46 pm »

Mourinho seems to fancy the job, but there's been more than a few articles saying he won't get it because of his attitude. I can see that, because the mancs would never employ a manager who belittles refs, refuses to speak to journalists, plays safety-first stuff in big games, and generally acts the c*nt. No way would they stand for that. Oh, hang on.....

Rox · « **Reply #2206 on:** September 16, 2011, 09:30:33 pm »

I think the vacuum created by Ferguson leaving will be very different than anything he's taken on so far.

Malaysian Kopite · « **Reply #2207 on:** September 16, 2011, 09:31:16 pm »

Quote from: Rox on September 16, 2011, 09:22:33 pm

Who's to say he'd be any good there?

He'd b brilliant there, mark my words.

rocco · « **Reply #2208 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:18:40 pm »

SSN saying floating 25% of UtD and expecting $1 billion

So do the Glazers value UTD at $4 billion

rocco · « **Reply #2209 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:20:32 pm »

Quote from: Dubit10 on September 16, 2011, 09:05:38 pm

They are screwed when ferguson leaves that's all that matters.

Are we just loving in hope ?

pcch7 · « **Reply #2210 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:41:16 pm »

Quote from: Rox on September 16, 2011, 09:30:33 pm

I think the vacuum created by Ferguson leaving will be very different than anything he's taken on so far.

I doubt that would affect him much at all.. It´s Mourinho we´re talking about here. The ego on that man, I´m worried our planet will implode the day he dies. Only problem with him is that he usually don´t stay long in one place.

And Could He Play · « **Reply #2211 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:49:41 pm »

whats this takeover talk for next week

And Could He Play · « **Reply #2212 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:50:17 pm »

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16092011/58/premier-league-united-set-qatar-takeover.html

Trada · « **Reply #2213 on:** September 16, 2011, 11:13:18 pm »

Quote from: And Could He Play on September 16, 2011, 10:49:41 pm

whats this takeover talk for next week

May to put the share price up if they put 25% up in shares.

_Lfc_ · « **Reply #2214 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:39:39 am »

As has been it said it only matters when that old bacon faced c**t leaves.

Anyone else think if they keep this pace up all season they will burn themselves out? or will they just go on thrashing teams and scoring from all angles?

Walshy nMe® · « **Reply #2215 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:24:16 am »

They could always sell Anderson - think of the money they'll save on pies, wages, and dancing lessons?

Enzo458 · « **Reply #2216 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:29:33 pm »

Quote from: And Could He Play on September 16, 2011, 10:49:41 pm

whats this takeover talk for next week

They've been running this story for almost a year now. There's probably a "no smoke without fire" element at work, but nonetheless I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if it ever does (God forbid).

Breitner · « **Reply #2217 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:31:06 pm »

Everything is great now

[new username under construction] · « **Reply #2218 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:56:16 pm »

Ferg leaving probably wont do shit to be honest. People say that as it's all they have left...they'll just appoint someone half decent and they'll just trundle on. Reality is its the teams around them that have to knock them...a few not so successful years and they'd be in the shit. Problem is like we saw the other day Chelsea are in transition (again), Arse suck donkey balls, City will probably bottle it (but perhaps not) and we're in transition again as well :/ there is no hope for a while yet.

pewithree3 · « **Reply #2219 on:** September 20, 2011, 06:43:35 pm »

This afternoon on Smooth radio, united were advertising to phone up their ticket office
for next week`s home Champion`s league game. Doesn`t sound like tickets are selling
very well.

Big Dirk · « **Reply #2220 on:** September 20, 2011, 06:51:07 pm »

Quote from: pewithree3 on September 20, 2011, 06:43:35 pm

This afternoon on Smooth radio, united were advertising to phone up their ticket office
for next week`s home Champion`s league game. Doesn`t sound like tickets are selling
very well.

No wonder,Group stages of the Champions League are normally pish,you know which 2 teams are gonna go through from each group before it starts.Wish we had that problem though.

Azi · « **Reply #2221 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:47:44 pm »

Manchester United owners the Glazers have confirmed they will pay a record 7.9% bonus to all staff. "We are delighted our hard work has been rewarded" said Howard Webb.

RossoBianchi · « **Reply #2222 on:** November 15, 2011, 12:43:49 pm »

Taking today's results into account, "Glazer costs total" now at £578m since May 2005...

wacko · « **Reply #2223 on:** November 15, 2011, 12:51:02 pm »

Ouch. That's one hell of a millstone.

Grobbelrevell · « **Reply #2224 on:** November 15, 2011, 12:59:32 pm »

£273m paid in interest up to September 2011.

Don't worry though, everything's fine, Mr.Ferguson said so.

RossoBianchi · « **Reply #2225 on:** November 15, 2011, 01:00:50 pm »

Quote from: wacko on November 15, 2011, 12:51:02 pm

Ouch. That's one hell of a millstone.

Imagine where we'd be if just 7% of it had been invested in the midfield!

£578m - the price paid for the honour of having the Glazers as our owners.

Lenin. · « **Reply #2226 on:** November 15, 2011, 02:19:04 pm »

Quote from: Grobbelrevell on November 15, 2011, 12:59:32 pm

£273m paid in interest up to September 2011.

Don't worry though, everything's fine, Mr.Ferguson said so.

"Fuck off and support Chelsea if you dont like it" where the man of the peoples words.

Grobbelrevell · « **Reply #2227 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:18:12 pm »

Quote from: Lenin on November 15, 2011, 02:19:04 pm

"Fuck off and support Chelsea if you dont like it" where the man of the peoples words.

Did he actually say that? Not seen those quotes before.

If he did, then most successful United manager or not, that's pretty scandalous.

Lenin. · « **Reply #2228 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:34:04 pm »

Quote from: Grobbelrevell on November 15, 2011, 03:18:12 pm

Did he actually say that? Not seen those quotes before.

If he did, then most successful United manager or not, that's pretty scandalous.

FERGIE TELLS FANS: GO SUPPORT CHELSEA

From David McDonnell in Budapest 24/08/2005

United boss in airport bust-up

FURIOUS Mr. Ferguson told a group of Manchester United fans who confronted him over the Malcolm Glazer takeover: "If you don't like it, go and watch Chelsea".

Fergie became embroiled in an amazing row with the supporters just minutes after United touched down in Budapest for the second leg of tonight's Champions League qualifier with Debrecen.

The fans accused Fergie of "selling out" over Glazer's £790million takeover and demanded to know why the United boss had not been more vocal in opposing the buy-out.

According to the United fans website redissue.co.uk, a supporter confronted chief executive David Gill then turned his attention to Ferguson.

The fan said: "You've f***** us over too, you could've spoken out about it."

Sir Alex replied: "I've got close friends who've been working with me here for 15 years. They come first in all of this."

Fan: "So don't the fans come first?"

Fergie: "Well I suppose they do come somewhere."

Fan: "You what? That's well out of order."

Sir Alex: "If you don't like it, go and watch Chelsea."

Fan: "The fans have been screwed right over. It costs me over £20 a game as it is."

Sir Alex: "It costs more than that at Chelsea - go and watch them."

Ferguson also told the fans they should have taken their chance to buy the club back in 1991, when it floated on the Stock Market and became a plc.

The unseemly row in front of United officials was the worst possible preparation for Fergie ahead of the second leg of tonight's Champions League qualifier against Hungarian champions Debrecen.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2005/08/24/fergie-tells-fans-go-support-chelsea-115875-15889294/

J-Mc- · « **Reply #2229 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:42:27 pm »

Taking his bosses side, if he carries on like that then he'll soon be out of favour with the fans before fucking off with a massive payday and go straight into retirement.

He's played that very well IMO.

Lenin. · « **Reply #2230 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:49:11 pm »

Quote from: J-Mc- on November 15, 2011, 03:42:27 pm

Taking his bosses side, if he carries on like that then he'll soon be out of favour with the fans before fucking off with a massive payday and go straight into retirement.

He's played that very well IMO.

He has always backed the Glazers. He doesnt give two shits about the supporters.

Grobbelrevell · « **Reply #2231 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:49:26 pm »

Quote from: J-Mc- on November 15, 2011, 03:42:27 pm

Taking his bosses side, if he carries on like that then he'll soon be out of favour with the fans...

Quote from: Lenin on November 15, 2011, 03:34:04 pm

From David McDonnell in Budapest 24/08/2005

I think the fans would have deserted him by now if they were going to.

I still find his stance on this quite shocking though, to be honest. Here is a (supposed) United legend and he's willing to publically back the Glazers. Maybe i'm being idealistic but that just astounds me, to be honest. If he has his "friends" at the club to think about, then why not just stay silent about the situation at the very least?

And then there's the fact that he can happily treat supporters that are fighting for what they perceive to be the future of their club in that way.

I mean, could you imagine Rafa acting like that? Or Kenny for that matter.

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #2232 on:** November 15, 2011, 03:52:25 pm »

Quote from: Lenin on November 15, 2011, 03:49:11 pm

He has always backed the Glazers. He doesnt give two shits about the supporters.

It's a two way street. He has never given a shiny shit about Manchester United fans - he's made that very clear time and again.

But that has led him not to be really liked by their fanbase either. He's made up because he's successful, raking it in and lauding it up. The fans are made up because their team is successful, raking it in and lauding it up. Between him and them there is a working relationship, but no real affection. No respect from him to them either.

How many songs do Manchester United sing about Ferguson? How much stock do they put in him?

Lenin. · « **Reply #2233 on:** November 15, 2011, 04:01:08 pm »

Quote from: Grobbelrevell on November 15, 2011, 03:49:26 pm

I think the fans would have deserted him by now if they were going to.

I still find his stance on this quite shocking though, to be honest. Here is a (supposed) United legend and he's willing to publically back the Glazers. Maybe i'm being idealistic but that just astounds me, to be honest. If he has his "friends" at the club to think about, then why not just stay silent about the situation at the very least?

And then there's the fact that he can happily treat supporters that are fighting for what they perceive to be the future of their club in that way.

I mean, could you imagine Rafa acting like that? Or Kenny for that matter.

Hodgson thought the sun shined out of Fergusons arse. Ferguson probably give Roy a few tips on how to handle fans protesting against shite owners?

Lenin. · « **Reply #2234 on:** November 15, 2011, 04:04:35 pm »

Mr. Ferguson backs Glazer family's Man Utd regime

Mr. Ferguson has spoken out in support of Manchester United's owners and said he has no problem working for the Glazer family.
The Americans have been accused of running up huge debts, leading to fan protests and talk of a takeover.
"They've done the job well. I've never been refused when I've asked for money for a player," stated the United boss.
"What can I do other than carry on the way we're doing it and the way I'm allowed to - I've no complaints."
The Glazer family bought United in 2005 for £800m but the club's debt is estimated to be £700m.

Their ownership of United provoked much criticism and resulted in the setting up of breakaway fans' club FC United of Manchester and the Green and Gold protest movement.
The Red Knights consortium, a group of wealthy supporters, considered making a takeover bid but put those plans on hold in June.
However, Ferguson believed the Glazers have been unfairly criticised.
"The debt has come through by the club being bought out by an owner. You know full well that when a business is bought it's usually bought with debt," he added.
"Because it's a football club it seems to attract more negative reporting from the media and from the fan but Manchester United Football Club, when it went plc, it was always going to be bought. It was inevitable.
"So when a particular family like the Glazers have bought it, it's unfair they come in for criticism because anybody could have bought it."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8865897.stm

J-Mc- · « **Reply #2235 on:** November 15, 2011, 04:36:09 pm »

Quote from: Grobbelrevell on November 15, 2011, 03:49:26 pm

I think the fans would have deserted him by now if they were going to.

I still find his stance on this quite shocking though, to be honest. Here is a (supposed) United legend and he's willing to publically back the Glazers. Maybe i'm being idealistic but that just astounds me, to be honest. If he has his "friends" at the club to think about, then why not just stay silent about the situation at the very least?

And then there's the fact that he can happily treat supporters that are fighting for what they perceive to be the future of their club in that way.

I mean, could you imagine Rafa acting like that? Or Kenny for that matter.

Didn't read the date on the article.

to be honest though, he hasn't said anything that much out of order since then iirc, so like I said, IF he'd carried on like that then he'd be out of favour

The fella is a massive c*nt, fair play for the what he's achieved at that shit hole but as a man, he's a bellend.

Grobbelrevell · « **Reply #2236 on:** November 15, 2011, 05:02:04 pm »

Quote from: J-Mc- on November 15, 2011, 04:36:09 pm

to be honest though, he hasn't said anything that much out of order since then iirc, so like I said, IF he'd carried on like that then he'd be out of favour

Nice menouvering there, mate

Lenin. · « **Reply #2237 on:** November 15, 2011, 05:06:53 pm »

Quote from: J-Mc- on November 15, 2011, 04:36:09 pm

Didn't read the date on the article.

to be honest though, he hasn't said anything that much out of order since then iirc, so like I said, IF he'd carried on like that then he'd be out of favour

The fella is a massive c*nt, fair play for the what he's achieved at that shit hole but as a man, he's a bellend.

He never fucking shuts up about great they are.

1021 · « **Reply #2238 on:** November 15, 2011, 05:10:57 pm »

Therein lies the difference between great managers who fight for their club, and great managers who fight for themselves.
We had one when our owners were raping and pillaging the club, and we have one who has given more of himself for this club than we could imagine.
I'm not disputing Ferguson's success, he will sadly but rightly go down as one of the greatest managers of all time when he retires, but there will be a mess to clean up for his predecessor.

I know who I'd want in my corner....

Lenin. · « **Reply #2239 on:** November 15, 2011, 05:30:05 pm »

Quote from: RossoBianchi on November 15, 2011, 12:43:49 pm

Taking today's results into account, "Glazer costs total" now at £578m since May 2005...

http://andersred.blogspot.com/2011/11/manchester-united-q1-201112-results-big.html