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A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« on: November 10, 2004, 11:09:13 am »
Rafael Benitez must be wondering just how he annoyed the god of centre forwards (no, not Robert Bernard Fowler). The current situation bears a striking resemblance to a striking crisis.

First, Owen leaves and does so at a stage where no suitable replacement can be found; following a tricky start, Owen proves he's still as good as ever, with five goals in six games for Madrid, and one for England. As part of that deal, Benitez tries to secure the services of the talented Fernando Morientes, fresh from his scoring exploits in the Champions League for Monaco; Morientes offering a playing style (the ability to be both a target-man or drop off deep and supply passes) that would compliment either Cisse or Baros. However, Morientes - although keen on the idea of a switch to L4 - has given his word to Madrid manager Camacho that he will stay and fight for a place now he is back in the fold at Madrid; Camacho is soon gone, and Morientes drops below Owen, Ronaldo and Raul in the pecking order, to the point where I am certain he would rather be at Anfield at this point in time.

He may still arrive in January, or July, but right now Morientes and Liverpool could certainly use each other.

Harry Kewell - whom Benitez played up front at times in games earlier in the season (mostly late in games) - has suffered injury niggles and cannot find from within himself the version of the player we signed from Leeds; gone are the goals he scored in his first few months at Liverpool. Like Kewell, Steven Gerrard found himself in an unfamiliar striking role, late on in games, in the first few weeks of the season. He was scoring goals wherever he played, until he broke his metatarsal - thankfully he's due back soon, but we've missed his contribution in all areas of our game. Anthony Le Tallec, rated highly by Benitez but at the time behind Owen, Baros and Cisse in the pecking order, was shipped out on loan to gain valuable playing experience, and so another striker became unavailable (and he was also soon injured, although after two months out is now fit again). Rookie Neil Mellor has struggled for fitness after missing pre-season training and the early weeks of the season.

Vladimir Smicer, whose preferred role is as the second striker, suffered a terrible knee injury and will miss most of the season. Nunez, who played all his games for Real Madrid as a striker, injured himself in his first training session in August, and hasn't been seen since.

Then came Cisse's horror injury, and his season was written-off in the most devastating of manners. When he returns Cisse will have a lot more good will afforded to him - fans will surely be a little more patient, with expectations lowered a little. Cisse can spend his recuperation working on his English, bonding with his teammates, and watching English football at close quarters. In the meantime we will see how much space he created for others just by his very presence on the pitch - he was never afraid to use his blistering pace, and therefore defenders often needed to have both eyes on him.

Throughout all this, one man has stepped forward, and continued to make a name for himself.


Milan Baros

Milan Baros, after three goals in two games (and in the third game he was only denied a goal when the Depor defender decided to put the ball into his own net before our number five could), suddenly suffered a hamstring strain. He may be back this weekend - but instead of the Czech being asked to train during the remainder of the season, Rafa may be tempted to store him somewhere safe, wrapped in cotton wool, only bringing him out on matchdays as would a host the best china.

Seven goals from Milan - having started a good few games on the bench - is a great return. If Baros had taken (and scored) as many penalties as some other strikers in the Premiership - say three - he would be in double figures by now. Ten goals at this stage would be amazing. Instead, he doesn't quite make the top echelons of the scoring charts.

The fact is, we haven't been awarded the four or five clear penalties we should have (some "won" by Milan's direct running). He may not even take our penalties. But penalties swell the tallies of Van Nistelrooy (his only league goals - now we're in November - are penalties), Henry, Anelka and Andy Johnson, who arrives at Anfield with Palace at the weekend following on from speculation that we're interested in him. (Quite ludicrous at this stage: he looks a decent Premiership striker in top form, but we've seen some one-season wonders in recent years, such as Marcus Stewart; it's also a tough job, mentally, to play for the biggest clubs in the world - which is why someone who's played for Real Madrid can cope with Liverpool, and vice versa).

Milan missed the Birmingham game, and therefore definitely wouldn't have taken (had Uriah Rennie not been blind) the most blatant of all our 'non' penalties this season.

If a striker scores 15-20 goals in a season from open play, it's just as valuable as him scoring 25-30 if ten are penalties (in that if he doesn't take the penalties, even a goalkeeper - if he took them - could get ten goals from penalties, and so the end result is the same). The true mark of a striker's talent is the amount of goals he scores when penalties are not included.
 
Right now (minor hamstring tweak aside) Milan's as fit as a fiddle as last season was a 'rest' in many ways, but once the summer catches up with him we could have problems; his all-action style and constant running may take its toll as the season wears on. (As might the fact that, because he runs so directly with the ball, he is 'taken out' at every opportunity). So January becomes crucial. We need reinforcements, and the money will surely be found; a new striker could pay for himself by ensuring we qualify for the Champions League.

 
Luis Garcia

Luis Garcia gets criticized for missing chances, but - even more so than a striker - if your midfielders are getting into the positions to miss them it's still hugely encouraging. You want your strikers to get into positions - where missing the target happens - but that's almost a given; you expect it, seeing as they should be in the box anyway. Midfielders who get into those positions are a big bonus. Some midfielders score lots of long-range goals, plus free-kicks and penalties, but if a midfielder can get into the box to score goals, that's a big advantage.

When Heskey played on the wing, he never left his position to gamble - perhaps a mixture of the old regime's inhibited style, and Emile's own mental blocks. When the ball was on the opposite flank, Emile should have moved infield alongside the strikers, around the penalty spot. Too often he was still stuck out on the opposite flank, watching the game (or possibly worrying about what would happen if the opposition broke away). The chances that Luis Garcia misses are ones that other players (such as Emile, when he was in that role) wouldn't get - the ball would otherwise just drift across the penalty area, past the empty space no Liverpool player was occupying, and be cleared by a defender.

Luis Garcia makes things happen, and although he's infuriating in his inconsistency, at least he hits the heights as often as not. He has yet to prove he can make things happen away from home, but that should come with time. If not, he remains - for all the missed sitters - a potent weapon at home.

Our midfield is scoring a very healthy amount of goals this season, and Gerrard's return will boost that.


Mellor, and the mooted return of Fowler

Mellor is a natural finisher, but that's not really good enough if - in the super-fast Premiership - you cannot get into positions in time. In that respect he reminds me a little of the current Robbie Fowler (who some fans would like to see back at Liverpool), and so comparisons can be drawn. In the time that Fowler has lost yard after yard of pace, the Premiership has welcomed ever-better and ever-quicker defenders from all over the world. The game in general has sped up, so strikers need to be super-fit to retain their sharpness - you are dealing in fractions of seconds. If they find they are getting less chances, the temptation comes to snatch at them; and if they are out of breath, or heavy-legged, then it becomes ten times harder.

Fowler benefited at Liverpool in the mid-90s from a slower passing game; once we moved to fast counter-attacks based on long passes he was in trouble, as he couldn't keep up with his co-striker, be it Heskey or Owen. Benitez's style is between the two - utilising the counter-attack, but not afraid to string passes together. Fowler remains the finest finisher I've seen, but much of finishing is down to self-belief and confidence. In Fowler's case he has lost that self-belief, which seemed tied in to the carefree attitude of his youth - the pressure being water off a duck's back, as he knew he could score goals. Now he's admitted he's no longer the same player, and sometimes there's no coming back from that. Injuries have robbed him of "Robbie". You don't lose natural ability, but you can lose your self-belief over a period of time, and also your hunger.

Both Fowler and Mellor have been criticized by their managers this season over their fitness; in Mellor's case it's partly down to missing pre-season training, but he's never looked like an athlete. Unlike players like Owen and Baros, he is someone who, at the top level, will need chances created for him, as he doesn't have the skill or pace to beat men or run with the ball. Mellor doesn't look like a Premiership "footballer" (in the way Pongolle has on occasions) but if he scores goals, people won't be too fussed about the awkward running style and the average control. The trouble is that in the top flight you need to be able to play your part in the build up. If you can't, too many moves will break down at your feet and no chances will follow as a result. (By comparison, Pongolle often looks like a Premiership player, but one who's not going to score many goals).

Fowler, if he returned (and I don't see it happening), might score goals at Anfield, where we push teams back with possession football and play more in the mid-90s style. Away from home I just don't see him coping with counter-attack football that has become the norm in the Premiership.

Mellor's biggest problem is the 'mental' side of the game - like Fowler (circa 2001-04), it's about doubts. By Mellor's age (22), Owen and Fowler had over 100 goals for Liverpool. Mellor has one. He hasn't had much of a chance to prove himself, but both Owen and Fowler took their chances early on: Owen scoring within seconds of his debut in the top flight, and Fowler scoring on his debut followed by five in the return fixture with Fulham. Mellor needs to prove quickly that he can cut it at this level, before the doubts in his own mind (and everyone else's) grow - as they will. Time is running out - if that sounds harsh, it's life at the cutting edge: it's been two seasons now since his debut, and dividends are required. Before his injury Cisse hadn't yet proved he had settled into English football, but he'd proved his calibre with 100 goals for Auxerre, and goals for France. In terms of all-round threat, a fit Cisse would worry defenders in a way Mellor never could.

Mellor's biggest disappointment was his loan spell at West Ham in the First Division, where his only two goals came against Saturday's opponents, Crystal Palace. Luck was against him - with a change of management and the signing of Brian Deane. But it's hard to believe that if it had been, for example, Jermain Defoe (or even the 18-year-old versions of Owen or Fowler) we'd loaned to West Ham that he'd have been omitted for some aging donkey. Mellor didn't do enough to force his way into the manager's plans - had he been an outstanding prospect, he would have got games, and goals. There would have been no doubts. It didn't close the chapter on Mellor at Liverpool, but it did absolutely nothing to prove he has what it takes at that level, let alone the top level. It leaves more questions than answers. This - the upcoming months - is his chance to answer them, and possibly his last chance.

The mental side of striking is all about pressure. Training and reserve matches don't come with any pressure. It's easy to finish with coolness and calmness when there's nothing riding on the outcome, and only a handful of people looking on. Pressure is the enemy of the striker - you need to be able to put it out of your mind, and remain relaxed. It's what marked Owen out as a great. Fowler was always a better finisher, but Owen had the stronger mentality. Both have suffered injuries, and been written off, but only one has nearly 30 goals for England and is the hottest striker in La Liga, for the world's biggest club; one is still creating memories, while the other is living off of them.

I've also felt many reserve games have often had a huge imbalance in terms of the quality of display, where we've fielded a whole host of internationals, against a reserve team like Bradford or Sheffield Wednesday - teams now in the lower divisions, whose entire first team squad may have been in midweek league action, leaving their reserve team as little more than their youth side. Mellor has also scored goals in more evenly-matched games, but the reserves is not a foolproof indicator of talent.

John Durnin was the apotheosis: scored hatfuls in a talented reserve side in the 1980s, but wasn't even good enough to make it at a lesser top division club. His career was played out in lower divisions. Crucially, the reserve games are played at a pace which is pedestrian when compared to the top flight.

I believe Mellor will, in time, make it as a First Division (sorry, Championship - *puke*) striker at the very least. I imagine that within a year or two he will drop a division on a permanent basis and struggle initially, before maturing and possibly making a decent Premiership striker at a modest club later in his career. With experience comes canniness, and I feel he'll need that to overcome his other deficiencies in order to be able to do what he does best: scoring goals. He's big enough to put himself about, but he needs the cleverness of someone like Alan Shearer - who, having lost his pace and dynamism, needs to resort to all his experience to remain a handful. Mellor can't draw on such reserves.

Whoever arrives in January, it's clear we need someone to supplement Milan Baros as 'proven' quality. Mellor and Pongolle will have chances to impress in the meantime, we could use a slice or two of gold-plated luck - in terms of injuries, and in terms of penalties.

© Paul Tomkins 2004
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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2004, 12:11:12 pm »
Thanks for the read Paul- look forward to seeing it plagiarised net-wide very soon   ;D  ::)
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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2004, 12:14:50 pm »
good read that paul, the mail covered the owen cock up,my opinion. we were missing him before cisse got injured. still short of four players in my take of things.
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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2004, 12:41:46 pm »
Interesting read that, Paul.

If we could fuse Flo and Mellor together (Flo's explosive pace and flair coupled with Mellor's natural finishing), we would have the perfect striker.

Yep, that's what we need: Florent Sinama-Mellor.

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2004, 12:51:13 pm »
Interesting read that, Paul.

If we could fuse Flo and Mellor together (Flo's explosive pace and flair coupled with Mellor's natural finishing), we would have the perfect striker.

Yep, that's what we need: Florent Sinama-Mellor.


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Yep, that's about right!

- Docker - four players short isn't a bad guess. That could be less when injured players return - if players like Smicer (in this new passing style) and Nunez can prove their worth.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2004, 01:33:49 pm »

Garcia and Alonso have settled in very quickly into Premiership football.  So much that MOM performances are expected from them every match.  As for Garcia at least he's getting into positions.    Consistency will come along with more match experience.  Henry and Pires took longer to get used to Premiership football if I remember correctly.  I'm sure Garcia will take off once that happens.  You ain't seen nothing yet.

I don't know what to make of FSP, he may be of Premiership quality but if he's not likely to score lots of goals than what?  He's a striker isn't he?  No way I can imagine him leading the forward line.



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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2004, 01:52:54 pm »
I think Flo could be like Louis Saha, who never really scored goals at Newcastle during a loan spell under Gullit, and struggled for Fulham for a while before hitting his stride. I think he will score goals, but at the moment doesn't look confident enough.

His pace, movement and skill could create space for others, as Rafa hinted at today.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 02:33:37 pm »
The crucial word is opportunity. The players you mention will have tons of chances to show they are worthy of a place, or at least prove they will be something special (gems?) in time, with more experience.

Personally, I have doubts about both Mellor and Sinama-Pongolle, but of the two, Florent looks more dangerous. He's willing to run at people and like Garcia needs to build up his strength, but I felt he was denied a number of blatant penalties last season, unfairly gaining a reputation for being a diver (thanks again, Fathead!!!). Sadly this seems to have stuck and he'll get kicked about for a while. Its happening with Reyes, it'll happen with Garcia. If the opo sense they can kick someone out of the game without fearing reprisals (cards) due to suspicious refereeing from referees who are suspicious of these fancy-dan 'diving' foreigners, they will.

Of course the answer is to be so clever you can avoid these challenges and to get more strength so as to avoid going to ground easily, enhancing your reputation as a fair player. Look at Henry - all the tricks, pace etc. He gets swiped at every game, mainly due to defenders not being able to keep up with him. Unlike Reyes and the rest though, the whistle will blow almost every time he's down. Because people judge Henry as honest, if hes down, it was a foul.

Sinama needs to try to stay on his feet, and gradually ref's (and the public) will learn to respect that when he's down, its because he's been fouled. Flo also needs to find the net. His shooting can be wildly off target, but I suspect thats down to a desire to impress, and snap-shooting out of eagerness. With this opportunity, I hope he realises that unlike in Houllier's reign he will have more chances and so not necessarily need to score every game to stay in with a shout of getting more games.

Mellor just does not look the right shape to be a footballer. However, neither does Rooney. Hopefully he'll get a few, as he is supposedly a great poacher, which is just what we need. I do worry that he isn't skilful, or adaptable enough to be part of the Liverpool team though. TIme will tell, but these two have been given the opportunity of a lifetime now. Good luck to them, and to us!

Another top-notch breakdown of our current situation Paul, keep 'em coming!

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2004, 02:39:05 pm »
Cheers, Byrnee. Very true about FSP last season - he was hacked down so many times, and after Steve Bruce slated him he never got another penalty.

FSP is just 20, whereas Mellor is now 22. FSP has more time on his side. Although we now need him, I felt Mellor should have gone to Crewe for three months as planned - Dario Gradi would have helped his game, and he would have got the starts he never had at West Ham.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2004, 02:39:07 pm »

I hope so.  ::)

I would really like to see FSP and ALT achieve their potential at the club.  Same with lads from the Academy.    Recently except for MO virtually all the other transfers out of LFC it's a step down even taking into consideration where we are now.

to be honest before RB started to field the lads from the Academy I was wondering what's the purpose of having it when there weren't anyone coming through to the first team.   Now that the wind of change has blown it's really refreshing.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2004, 02:55:47 pm »
The trouble with Academies are that you need the really outstanding players to come through, and they don't arrive very often. Arsenal have had only Ashley Cole in recent years, the Mancs haven't had a real star for ages, and our last 'gem' was Steven Gerrard, following on closely after Michael Owen. Chelsea's only star graduate is John Terry. And so on. These days international players are bought in, and more often than not that's because the youth team players are merely very good, and not outstanding.

Had Wayne Rooney been a Red, he'd have been the latest LFC starlet. He wasn't - he was a Blue.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2004, 03:58:10 pm »

Paul, yet another authoritative article, for which a great many thanks.

I personally hope Mellor makes it, though doubt he will.  Then again, if you put our Tony Blair or perhaps Prescott in a red kit I would hope either of them would make it, so am probably biased.

Byrnne, very much enjoyed your article too.  Forgive me for being cheeky, but if "Opportunity" is the crucial word, it is slightly ironic, surely, to spell it "oppurutunity"!

Fingers crossed against 'boro - lets hope Mellor and Flo provide the goods!  Failing which I'd settle for a late igor winner.

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2004, 04:02:08 pm »
Thanks, Max.

A late Igor winner would be lovely!   ;D

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2004, 04:13:56 pm »
Hi Paul. I have been a fan of yours for a long time. I am only 22 years lod, but I have tried to follow all your posts since 2000-2001(I think you were a columnist for ShanklyGates then). I think your posts generally give valid insight and a positive gloss on any situation. And that is priceless.Looking on the bright side should be done more often.
I also think the majority of supporters get a bit over anxious or pessimistic with comments on various message boards.Unfortunately it does have a negative influence on the team.Especially if they listen to 606. At the end of the day, I guess they just love there football just as much as I do, but do need a reality check sometimes

Well i just wanted to know your thoughts on Flo Po. I am not to sure whether you addressed this, but don't you see him as having the potential to combine well with Cisse. In pre season they played very well together, but i am not so sure whether Benitez played them thereafter. I think they have the makings of a decent strike partnership when both are fit. Your thoughts

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2004, 04:36:17 pm »
Many thanks Ash, and always interesting to hear from someone who's read my stuff for a while. Feel free to fully register on RAWK.

Yes, I did post on Shankly Gates a while back - a good site, I just wanted to stick with one, and that's RAWK. I can be extremely critical, but now is not the time - it's only once a manager and his team are established that you can properly judge; it's way too early to be too negative about anything Rafa or his players are doing.

Flo Po interests me, as he has bags of talent, but I do wonder why he doesn't score goals for Liverpool (first team or reserves) like he did as a kid in France. I'm not sure he's the most natural finisher, but as he adapts to the top flight here I feel his pace and skill will get him into lots of good positions. He can link well with any of the other strikers as he has more to his game than goals. He's probably a bit rusty at the moment, but once he gets some regular games he should find his rhythm.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2004, 04:36:42 pm »

Byrnee, very much enjoyed your article too.  Forgive me for being cheeky, but if "Opportunity" is the crucial word, it is slightly ironic, surely, to spell it "oppurutunity"!


Cheers mate! Thats what happens when you're typing in work and trying to avoid your boss seeing it!

All amended.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2004, 04:40:29 pm »
I didn't want to say anything, Byrnee, but always unfortunate when it's the only word you've italicized!  ;D

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2004, 05:02:56 pm »
Paul, congrats on a fine, well-thought through, well-written post.

Just out of interest, given the current crisis and the obvious fact that Milan is in the side to stay, who in your opinion would be the best possible, realistic January acquisition to complement him?

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2004, 05:15:12 pm »
I didn't want to say anything, Byrnee, but always unfortunate when it's the only word you've italicized!  ;D

I know and I had to rush to post it before lunch! Go for an hour come back to check through it and... bugger...! :wave
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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2004, 05:20:06 pm »
Paul, congrats on a fine, well-thought through, well-written post.

Just out of interest, given the current crisis and the obvious fact that Milan is in the side to stay, who in your opinion would be the best possible, realistic January acquisition to complement him?


Cheers, Benno.

I honestly think it's Morientes - he has the class, experience and ideal playing style, and it's a credible link as Rafa wanted him over the summer. There's a chance he'll be sold by Madrid in January if he's unhappy, which he clearly is at present.

Beyond that, I don't know. There are lots of great strikers out there, but not necessarily ones for sale or whom we could afford. I really like the look of Yakubu, but I'm not sure he'd cope with the pressure at Liverpool. Some players are better suited to being big fish in small ponds, and not vice versa.

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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2004, 05:38:41 pm »
I completely agree. Even if he is 28 and cup-tied for the CL for the remainder of this season, Rafa's vision has to be longer term. At that age he would be with us for most of the duration of Rafa's current contract.  He'll be crap in 15 years' time though.  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2004, 05:43:48 pm »
We could be out of the CL by Christmas, and if not, I doubt we'll be in it for long afterwards. It's all a bonus this season, especially now our squad is threadbare.

And yeah, those 43-yr-old players are rubbish! But it'd be nice to buy an older, experienced striker in his peak, with a good handful of years left at the top.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2004, 05:54:12 pm »
Yes, the only priority concerning the CL is to make sure of our participation next year. Buying Morientes would be a step in that direction in my view. Did you see Guillem Balague's take on this in his sky column though? He's supposed to be a Liverpool fan but isn't sold on the idea of him coming to us. He thinks he's not suited to the pace in England. This does worry me slightly.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2004, 06:59:21 pm »
As usual a very good article Paul. Good analysis and well balanced  :)

When Milan is fit again, I'd try and play FSP slightly on the right where he'd have more space to use his pace. He is more like Cisse from his way of playing and I thought the partnership between Cisse and Milan looked a lot smoother when Cisse was on the right causing trouble for the defenders.

CL: of course CL is a bonus this year, but making it to the next could dramatically improve our chances to actually sign someone like Morientes in January.

I can't wait to see Stevie back in action. With his power and style he will not only increase the pressure from our midfield, but he will take some pressure off Baros in the front.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2004, 11:40:48 pm »
great article.  unfortunately some of our supporters are blinded by neil's goalscoring record in the reserves.  its a shame as he's always looked a good kid, but its in his best interests to get playing regularly and for us to get another top level striker in here. then we can get another young player in the reserves to get some experience.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2004, 08:57:45 am »
Yes, the only priority concerning the CL is to make sure of our participation next year. Buying Morientes would be a step in that direction in my view. Did you see Guillem Balague's take on this in his sky column though? He's supposed to be a Liverpool fan but isn't sold on the idea of him coming to us. He thinks he's not suited to the pace in England. This does worry me slightly.

GUILLEM SAYS: The case of Fernando Morientes is an unfair one. His quality would be useful in any team in the world, except Real Madrid's at the moment. But his legend has grown with his return to the bench. You must remember he rediscovered his form with a team that played in the French league and who used his strengths to a maximum, even allowing him to reinvent himself as a second striker. They are two things that won't happen in the case of Liverpool. He is a player that depends greatly on his mood. If he hits form and feels wanted, he delivers. If he feels the competition is too hard (he is not a physical player) or too fast (so he cannot use the movements he has learnt at Monaco) he may want to go home sooner rather than later. I doubt he will be a success in England, although I would play him at Madrid, especially now that Beckham is being used as a winger when the team is attacking. His crosses need El Moro's head.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2004, 11:13:27 am »
Thanks for that Hooded Claw.

Firstly, Balague is wrong to say that Morientes wouldn't be played as a second striker here, in my view. That is exactly what he would be deployed as, behind Baros where Garcia has been playing. He was very effective as a link man for Monaco and then getting into the box late, where he is a better finisher than Luis. Given all the evidence of Benitez' Liverpool and how he set the side up at Valencia, I find this a very odd thing for Balague to say

As for getting on the end of crosses, well he has a point there as we don't get many in to the box currently. However, we've yet to see how Nunez plays, from what I've heard about him, this is the type of player that he is. Balague also ignores the fact that Beckham doesn't play wide right for Madrid.

Rafa will surely also make him "feel wanted", whether he finds his form is up to him entirely. The worrying part is his perceived dislike for the fast and physical side of the game that he will encounter here. My only question here is how does Balague know this? It was thought to be the case with Bergkamp, Pires and Henry. They all proved that, although they don't necessarily relish this side of the game, it doesn't stop them from being effective and imposing their skills and style of play. You can learn to tough it out easier than acquiring those skills. These three players were all younger when they came into the league though.

To me he is still the best known option available.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2004, 11:58:04 am »
just wondering who will take our penos this year as owen and murphy are gone and stevie g took one last year but missed. that is if we ever get one of course.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2004, 01:38:01 pm »
After Carragher's effort in the League Cup final in 2001, I say go with him. He is the right sort of determined character.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2004, 01:46:12 pm »
Carra also took another identical one a season or two later - can't remember who against. He still makes me nervous, as he's not a natural 'striker' of the ball, but sidefoots it like a loon!

Not sure if he has Danny's ability to change corners if the keeper makes a move.

Xabi would be my choice, as he's the best passer. He could pass it into the top corner.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2004, 04:15:32 pm »

As usual Mr Tomkins a good analysis and fair interpretation on the current issue
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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2004, 04:23:59 pm »

As usual Mr Tomkins a good analysis and fair interpretation on the current issue


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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2004, 07:47:46 pm »
Great Read Paul
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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2004, 04:34:22 am »
An excellent article and thread here!     :D

Have hoped to add a link-man type of striker but with Cisse's injury, someone who can lead the line and shoo in for Baros when necessary is more of a priority in January.   Mellor and FSP (at least for this season)  are not the answer.  Also, if we got all our midfield healthy, Garcia, Kewell (if he ever find his feet again  :-\) and Smicer (anyone know when he'll be back?)  can all stand in the hole/link role.   Morientes thus would be ideal.     

Once and a while the name Anelka pops up.  Any thoughts?  Is it wise?

As for Luis Garcia, well his one-on-one and missed little flicks are tearing our hair out, aren't they?  However we are kidding ourselves if we think he and other Spanish lads have fully adjusted to EPL:  the pace, the style, the pitches, the country, etc etc.  So I would view their current form as a bonus.   A more accurate apprasial would be the end of the season.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2004, 08:32:46 am »
Ah, Anelka.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat. Possibly ahead of Morientes, as well. Anelka can drop deep, or sprint through on goal - he scores plenty of goals, and is a quality all-round player, at a nice age, with bags of experience.

I'm just not sure Rafa would want to deal with Anelka, but most managers have said he's been no problem at all. I think he just needs to be loved, and after a foolish mistake leaving Arsenal so soon he learned some lessons.

I wouldn't expect to see him at Liverpool, but I'd be excited if he was. City may have to sell due to massive debts - but if they did, they could lose even more money by being relegated.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2004, 12:40:16 pm »
Ah, Anelka.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat. Possibly ahead of Morientes, as well. Anelka can drop deep, or sprint through on goal - he scores plenty of goals, and is a quality all-round player, at a nice age, with bags of experience.

I'm just not sure Rafa would want to deal with Anelka, but most managers have said he's been no problem at all. I think he just needs to be loved, and after a foolish mistake leaving Arsenal so soon he learned some lessons.

I wouldn't expect to see him at Liverpool, but I'd be excited if he was. City may have to sell due to massive debts - but if they did, they could lose even more money by being relegated.

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2004, 03:12:36 pm »
Cheers Paul,
Great read, as ever.

Feel myself that we're now in the midst of the 'worst case scenario' that Rafa no doubt pondered when the season started. It feels quite surreal, in that we've gone from probably one of the most potent strikeforces in world football to our somewhat patchwork ensemble of present. Unfortunate timing, but it's what we've been getting used to over the last few years.

It beggars belief really, the number of attacking players we've lost in the last six months or so.

Strikers in - Cissé
Strikers out - Owen, Heskey, Diouf, Cissé, (Baros & FSP short term)

Attacking midfielders in - Garcia, Ñunez
Attacking midfielders out - Ñunez, Smicer, Cheyrou, Murphy, Le Tallec, Partridge, Gerrard, Kewell (niggling something or other)

Twelve forward thinking players out, either through injury, loan or transfer, only three in, two of which are also on the absentee list   :'(

Of course I'm not suggesting that every player would have played every game, indeed some of these absentees were so before Rafa arrived, but I presume Rafa believed we'd 'get by' when he sold or loaned out certain players, and nobody could have forseen the horrific Cissé break, yet another metatarsel (I blame the modern ultra-light boots), Antonio's knee....

Some of the loanees will never wear the red again, some of the returning wounded may also be playing out their contracts or sold on, but it's still quite a long list of options. Thankfully a few are close to return. Partridge had a useful cameo, Potter's done well, as has Warnock and Mellor, so despite all the doom post Cissé, I'm still quite excited by our prospects provided we don't suffer another blow to our remaining strikeforce (read - Baros).

We have plenty of 'stop-gap' measures coming back into the squad who can play as a second striker, we just don't know how well they'll adapt. It's a lot of faith to be putting on the shoulders of inexperienced players in an unfamiliar  system.

Playing off Baros we could have any one of FSP, Mellor, Kewell, Garcia, Ñunez or even the returning Smicer. Mellor aside, the rest would appear to be of a similar nature, ie none can play the target man role.

Morientes fits the bill in many ways, but the 'ifs', 'buts' and 'maybes' weigh on my mind. We need a 'certainty' right now IMO, more than ever. Getting into next season's CL has to be our number one priority, which means we need someone who can come in and hit the ground running. That suggests that we should look first to the PL, and the most obvious candidate would be Nico, followed by Beattie.

Beattie isn't proven at the highest level, while Nico carries baggage which has interfered in his career, although to be fair his recent past has been exemplary. Another reason why I'd plump for Nico is his re-sale value, time and again clubs have been eager to sign him, despite the reputation he developed as a younger man of being difficult.

In short, can we afford to gamble on the instant success of Morientes?
Can we afford Nico, or prise him from Manchester City?
Can we get by without either?

Hard times for any boss, thank Christ we have a top one  :D

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Re: A Striking Resemblance To A Striking Crisis
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2004, 10:33:57 pm »
Excellent article, Paul.