Author Topic: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD (Read 1737414 times)

I'd argue that Woods has consitently shown himself to be in the top 5-10 strikers in the league outside of the "Big 6". So if that's "average" (I presume you mean vis-a-vis Newcastle's new owners, their wealth and the ambition they have therefore been assumed to have), fair enough. So again, I ask you - given the constraints (presuming that this is the first, and not only signing, and therefore we can't guess at expenditure of much more than £25m) of this being January, presumably a more stop-gap signing before a bigger one in the summer, someone who would want to come to be part of a second-half relegation battle, etc - name some players, along with reasonable price tages, who you think they should have gone for instead.

Also, I'd argue that ASM is an "average" player if Wood is, going by actual output.

If Newcastle put for sale tomorrow ASM or Woods. You'd think there'd be greater interest in ASM.

I'd have gone for someone like Brereton Diaz the Chilean superstar and see how he performs in this division. At least it'd point to a better transfer policy imo.

newterp · « **Reply #8205 on:** January 12, 2022, 04:57:26 pm »

Quote from: So... Howard Phillips on January 12, 2022, 04:43:59 pm

Our family Evertonian reckons El Khazi plus £10m for the man formerly known as the best left back in the Premier League.

Be prepared for the Wrath of ElKhazi, be very prepared!

Dave McCoy · « **Reply #8206 on:** January 12, 2022, 06:18:42 pm »

Quote from: So... Howard Phillips on January 12, 2022, 04:43:59 pm

Our family Evertonian reckons El Khazi plus £10m for the man formerly known as the best left back in the Premier League.

It sounds more and more like an FFP deal to me. They're booking the full sale price on Digne even though they're truly only going to give AV the difference in price between the two and then the El Ghazi value is spread out over 4-5 years. Should create wiggle room for them with the other two signings is my guess so they don't run into more issues.

Barefoot Doctor · « **Reply #8207 on:** January 12, 2022, 06:39:31 pm »

El Ghazi is a loan with no obligation to buy, apparently.

67CherryRed · « **Reply #8208 on:** January 12, 2022, 07:02:32 pm »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on January 12, 2022, 04:51:35 pm

If Newcastle put for sale tomorrow ASM or Woods. You'd think there'd be greater interest in ASM.

I'd have gone for someone like Brereton Diaz the Chilean superstar and see how he performs in this division. At least it'd point to a better transfer policy imo.

Newcastle just need to do enough to stay up in this window, nothing more and nothing less. Prem proven cloggers like Chris Wood from direct rivals will guarantee that happens.

They'll spend half a billion in the summer and replace everyone, they can even pay up the contracts if the dross they've got can't find clubs. They're not playing by normal rules.

Dave McCoy · « **Reply #8209 on:** January 12, 2022, 07:30:14 pm »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on January 12, 2022, 06:39:31 pm

El Ghazi is a loan with no obligation to buy, apparently.

Then that makes no sense at all.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #8210 on:** January 12, 2022, 08:14:12 pm »

Quote from: 67CherryRed on January 12, 2022, 07:02:32 pm

Newcastle just need to do enough to stay up in this window, nothing more and nothing less. Prem proven cloggers like Chris Wood from direct rivals will guarantee that happens.

They'll spend half a billion in the summer and replace everyone, they can even pay up the contracts if the dross they've got can't find clubs. They're not playing by normal rules.

Guaranteed? Got ya.

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #8211 on:** January 13, 2022, 12:02:16 am »

"Dusan Vlahovic: Fiorentina holding out for €75m amid Arsenal interest"

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/dusah-vlahovic-transfer-fiorentina-arsenal-b1991839.html

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #8212 on:** January 13, 2022, 12:06:55 am »

Quote from: Dave McCoy on January 12, 2022, 07:30:14 pm

Then that makes no sense at all.

As a separate deal, any loan fee probably won't lower what they get for Digne and Moshiri gets to help his mate Kia. On a playing sense however El Ghazi makes little sense. They likely don't need another winger and he can't even get into Villa's side.

disgraced cake · « **Reply #8213 on:** January 13, 2022, 03:43:03 pm »

Quote from: PeterTheRed on January 13, 2022, 12:02:16 am

"Dusan Vlahovic: Fiorentina holding out for €75m amid Arsenal interest"

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/dusah-vlahovic-transfer-fiorentina-arsenal-b1991839.html

If Arsenal spend that much on him they really better hope he doesn't flop. Aubameyang came in for big money going into the supposed prime of his career, but he's dont nothing in the last 18 months and now they'll probably take anything for him. Lacazette is decent but has failed to really impress and Pepe is Pepe.

amir87 · « **Reply #8214 on:** January 13, 2022, 03:53:20 pm »

Quote from: disgraced cake on January 13, 2022, 03:43:03 pm

If Arsenal spend that much on him they really better hope he doesn't flop. Aubameyang came in for big money going into the supposed prime of his career, but he's dont nothing in the last 18 months and now they'll probably take anything for him. Lacazette is decent but has failed to really impress and Pepe is Pepe.

And yet some of their fans will have you believe they don't spend money.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #8215 on:** January 13, 2022, 03:54:30 pm »

Quote from: amir87 on January 13, 2022, 03:53:20 pm

And yet some of their fans will have you believe they don't spend money well.

Indeed.

RyanBabel19 · « **Reply #8216 on:** January 13, 2022, 04:09:49 pm »

Quote from: disgraced cake on January 13, 2022, 03:43:03 pm

If Arsenal spend that much on him they really better hope he doesn't flop. Aubameyang came in for big money going into the supposed prime of his career, but he's dont nothing in the last 18 months and now they'll probably take anything for him. Lacazette is decent but has failed to really impress and Pepe is Pepe.

If you mean financially then how much does it matter with them? It's not the same as saying that with our signings because they spend a lot more freely.

If it doesn't work out... then what? They go and spend a big fee on another player and continue the pattern, no?

Aubameyang...Lacazette....Pepe...Vlahovic...

And that's just forwards

Obviously you never want signings to flop when you buy them, but I dont see big consequences if it doesn't work out other than them needing to add to the squad further. What have been the financial consequences of Pepe being an expensive flop if they're now going for Vlahovic?

Scottymuser · « **Reply #8217 on:** January 13, 2022, 06:47:32 pm »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on January 12, 2022, 08:14:12 pm

Guaranteed? Got ya.

Well one of their rivals are Burnley. WHo have Cornet - a Wing-back playing in mifield, and woods as their only 2 goal scoring threats. Cornet is at AFCON for the next 2-3 games, and Woods has just been sold. Burnley could easily not score a goal until Cornet is back 0 - you'd say oridinarily they'd be favourites anyway to lose all 3 (Arsenal, Watford, Leics), but I could ordinarily see them getting at least a point if they had both - so that's probably a dropped point. Signing Woods, despite "this season" only scoring 3 goals (*so far*) will absolutely cost Burnley points - unless they can find someone who wants to go there to replace him.

You mentioned Brereton - who is to say he'd prefer Newcastle over sunny spain, where Sevilla are interested (and can offer European football), or that he'd want to leave in Jan?

RyanBabel19 · « **Reply #8218 on:** January 14, 2022, 04:22:43 pm »

Chelsea have now recalled Kenedy from his loan and he's going to be part of their first team squad.

It's laughable at times

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #8219 on:** January 14, 2022, 04:25:38 pm »

Quote from: Scottymuser on January 13, 2022, 06:47:32 pm

Well one of their rivals are Burnley. WHo have Cornet - a Wing-back playing in mifield, and woods as their only 2 goal scoring threats. Cornet is at AFCON for the next 2-3 games, and Woods has just been sold. Burnley could easily not score a goal until Cornet is back 0 - you'd say oridinarily they'd be favourites anyway to lose all 3 (Arsenal, Watford, Leics), but I could ordinarily see them getting at least a point if they had both - so that's probably a dropped point. Signing Woods, despite "this season" only scoring 3 goals (*so far*) will absolutely cost Burnley points - unless they can find someone who wants to go there to replace him.

You mentioned Brereton - who is to say he'd prefer Newcastle over sunny spain, where Sevilla are interested (and can offer European football), or that he'd want to leave in Jan?

It's not a guarantee otherwise I'd lump money on Newcastle staying up.

You asked me to mention a forward (possible). I'm not privy to football transfers to know who would be realistic target for them.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #8220 on:** January 14, 2022, 05:13:53 pm »

Quote from: RyanBabel19 on January 14, 2022, 04:22:43 pm

Chelsea have now recalled Kenedy from his loan and he's going to be part of their first team squad.

It's laughable at times

they literally have a squad of players out on loan (22).

Coolie High · « **Reply #8221 on:** January 14, 2022, 05:20:19 pm »

Quote from: RyanBabel19 on January 14, 2022, 04:22:43 pm

Chelsea have now recalled Kenedy from his loan and he's going to be part of their first team squad.

It's laughable at times

It is, maybe we need to start buying more Grujic Awoniyi type players ourselves.

Original · « **Reply #8222 on:** January 14, 2022, 05:25:34 pm »

Quote from: RyanBabel19 on January 14, 2022, 04:22:43 pm

Chelsea have now recalled Kenedy from his loan and he's going to be part of their first team squad.

It's laughable at times

And aren't our wage bills supposed to be comparable, like when it's supposed to be comparable with city's (HA) too

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #8223 on:** January 14, 2022, 05:56:46 pm »

Quote from: Original on January 14, 2022, 05:25:34 pm

And aren't our wage bills supposed to be comparable, like when it's supposed to be comparable with city's (HA) too

Presumably the wages of loaned out players aren’t taken into account on those things? By sheer numbers alone there Bill would be vast if you added an extra 22 players on there, even if they’re going to be at the lowe end of the wage spectrum.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #8224 on:** January 14, 2022, 10:57:20 pm »

Looks like Haaland's decision as to where he’ll be next season will be made soon, as he’s told Jan Aage Fjortoft after the match tonight that Dortmund are putting big pressure on him now to make a decision, so he will do.

Interview with subtitles:

https://twitter.com/ViaplayFotball/status/1482114986654801923?s=20

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #8225 on:** January 14, 2022, 11:09:25 pm »

Quote from: Dim Glas on January 14, 2022, 10:57:20 pm

Looks like Haaland's decision as to where he’ll be next season will be made soon, as he’s told Jan Aage Fjortoft after the match tonight that Dortmund are putting big pressure on him now to make a decision, so he will do.

Interview with subtitles:

https://twitter.com/ViaplayFotball/status/1482114986654801923?s=20

Us

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #8226 on:** January 14, 2022, 11:13:21 pm »

Quote from: RyanBabel19 on January 14, 2022, 04:22:43 pm

Chelsea have now recalled Kenedy from his loan and he's going to be part of their first team squad.

It's laughable at times

Is this Kenedy's fifth, sixth or seven loan?

killer-heels · « **Reply #8227 on:** January 15, 2022, 09:19:13 am »

Quote from: Dim Glas on January 14, 2022, 10:57:20 pm

Looks like Haaland's decision as to where he’ll be next season will be made soon, as he’s told Jan Aage Fjortoft after the match tonight that Dortmund are putting big pressure on him now to make a decision, so he will do.

Interview with subtitles:

https://twitter.com/ViaplayFotball/status/1482114986654801923?s=20

So not just the fact that he is leaving but where he is moving to?

Praying its not City.

Redman78 · « **Reply #8228 on:** January 15, 2022, 09:45:14 am »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on January 14, 2022, 11:09:25 pm

Us

You were right to add that emoji.

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #8229 on:** January 15, 2022, 10:32:43 am »

Quote from: killer-heels on January 15, 2022, 09:19:13 am

So not just the fact that he is leaving but where he is moving to?

Praying its not City.

Haaland is an amazing striker, but he is not what Man City need under Guardiola. Ibrahimovic was a better player than Haaland when he joined Barca, yet he still failed in Guardiola's setup. It would be much more dangerous for us if Man City get someone like Lautaro for the No.9 position ...

killer-heels · « **Reply #8230 on:** January 15, 2022, 11:28:35 am »

Quote from: PeterTheRed on January 15, 2022, 10:32:43 am

Haaland is an amazing striker, but he is not what Man City need under Guardiola. Ibrahimovic was a better player than Haaland when he joined Barca, yet he still failed in Guardiola's setup. It would be much more dangerous for us if Man City get someone like Lautaro for the No.9 position ...

Yeh…ok.

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #8231 on:** January 15, 2022, 11:31:15 am »

Quote from: killer-heels on January 15, 2022, 11:28:35 am

Yeh…ok.

Both Ibrahimivic and Lewandowski were not a good fit for Guardiola's setup, and they were both better players than Haaland when they were playing under him. Real life football is different to the computer games ...

amir87 · « **Reply #8232 on:** January 15, 2022, 11:33:37 am »

Quote from: PeterTheRed on January 15, 2022, 10:32:43 am

Haaland is an amazing striker, but he is not what Man City need under Guardiola. Ibrahimovic was a better player than Haaland when he joined Barca, yet he still failed in Guardiola's setup. It would be much more dangerous for us if Man City get someone like Lautaro for the No.9 position ...

Yes it would be absolutely awful for them to land the best striker of the modern generation.

And Ibra didn't work out because he wasn't the number 1 forward for Barca when he arrived. You think Haaland will have the same problem?

killer-heels · « **Reply #8233 on:** January 15, 2022, 11:35:12 am »

Quote from: PeterTheRed on January 15, 2022, 11:31:15 am

Both Ibrahimivic and Lewandowski were not a good fit for Guardiola's setup, and they were both better players than Haaland when they were playing under him. Real life football is different to the computer games ...

Bayern won the league constantly under Guardiola so it made very little difference and he still scored goals. Ibrahimovic sounds like a luxury signing considering they already had Messi and one of the best teams ever.

Haaland is an incredible goal scorer going to an incredible team that has already won 3 of the last 4 league titles and will probably make it 4 out of 5 this year. The result of Haaland going there will probably mean more domination.

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #8234 on:** January 15, 2022, 11:43:45 am »

Quote from: killer-heels on January 15, 2022, 11:35:12 am

Bayern won the league constantly under Guardiola so it made very little difference and he still scored goals. Ibrahimovic sounds like a luxury signing considering they already had Messi and one of the best teams ever.

Haaland is an incredible goal scorer going to an incredible team that has already won 3 of the last 4 league titles and will probably make it 4 out of 5 this year. The result of Haaland going there will probably mean more domination.

Pep was appointed at Bayern Munich to win the Champions League, not the Bundesliga. It is the same at Man City. They want the CL, and signing Haaland won't guarantee that ...

elsewhere · « **Reply #8235 on:** January 15, 2022, 11:56:13 am »

what is El Ghazi good at?

BOBSCOUSE · « **Reply #8236 on:** January 15, 2022, 12:10:10 pm »

Quote from: elsewhere on January 15, 2022, 11:56:13 am

what is El Ghazi good at?

Good at? Who knows, I mean, he's given up on football so you'd hope he has a decent career lined up...

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #8237 on:** January 15, 2022, 12:14:14 pm »

Quote from: PeterTheRed on January 15, 2022, 10:32:43 am

Haaland is an amazing striker, but he is not what Man City need under Guardiola. Ibrahimovic was a better player than Haaland when he joined Barca, yet he still failed in Guardiola's setup. It would be much more dangerous for us if Man City get someone like Lautaro for the No.9 position ...

Man City didn't "need" Grealish. Haaland would score shedloads in this league.

RyanBabel19 · « **Reply #8238 on:** January 15, 2022, 12:23:51 pm »

Quote from: PeterTheRed on January 15, 2022, 11:43:45 am

Pep was appointed at Bayern Munich to win the Champions League, not the Bundesliga. It is the same at Man City. They want the CL, and signing Haaland won't guarantee that ...

There isn't a player in world football that would guarantee City the Champions League, there are way too many variables in football to guarantee anything, you cant judge if a player would be a good signing by if they would guarantee something that it's not possible to guarantee

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #8239 on:** January 15, 2022, 12:25:55 pm »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on January 15, 2022, 12:14:14 pm

Man City didn't "need" Grealish. Haaland would score shedloads in this league.

Of course he will score. Man City are scoring a lot of goals anyway. But he is not the solution for what they desperately want, and that is domination in Europe. He will be like Ibrahimovic at Barcelona or Lewandowski at Bayern Munich under Guardiola ...