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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #80 on: October 15, 2021, 05:57:28 pm »
No one knows who what or why.

At this time, thoughts  should only be with his family.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #81 on: October 15, 2021, 06:03:31 pm »
I'm never totally certain of reading between the lines of police statements but when they say that they are not looking for anybody else in connection with the attack doesn't that suggest that this may be something personal (e.g. family/relationship issue or aggrieved constituent) rather than an act of political extremism?

It just means they arent expecting any others to be involved. It tells us nothing about the motive.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #82 on: October 15, 2021, 06:06:34 pm »
There is no need for speculation about motives. It will all become apparent in time.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #83 on: October 15, 2021, 06:10:43 pm »
A nice tribute from Yvette Cooper.

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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #84 on: October 15, 2021, 06:12:22 pm »
I make no apologies for saying that I absolutely loathe the Tories and pretty much everything they stand for. Despite that, I think what has happened today is grotesque.

No motive has been identified as far as I know, but nothing excuses this.

To be honest, in this horribly messed-up country, I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened even more often. It may be a lucrative career for politicians, but they play with peoples' lives with their policies, and decisions they make from the comfort of their plush offices can make or break the lives of so many people across the country.

Sadly, our own prevailing culture can lead to this kind of tragedy taking place. We have a government in office who relish stoking division. It's a big aspect of how they operate. They use polarisation as a tactic, as do the press and other media. Those divisions always lead to hate, and hate sometimes leads to horrific actions and consequences. Maybe today is one such consequence, or maybe the motive is something completely different? All I know is that until we are all willing to cultivate a coming together, a willingness to empathise with each other and work for the betterment of society as a whole, what happened today will happen again in the future.

RIP David Amess. Condolences to his family.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #85 on: October 15, 2021, 06:16:45 pm »
Posted by former Labour MP Paula Sheriff

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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #86 on: October 15, 2021, 06:18:59 pm »
What sort of security, if any, do MPs get when they hold constituency surgeries ?  Its actually a genuine question, I have no idea.  If you’re a politician, left, right or centre, you’re going to upset somebody, it’s surprising this sort of shit doesn’t happen more.  What a horrible day, everyday in this country theres something that makes my stomach flip.

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« Reply #87 on: October 15, 2021, 06:20:18 pm »
I make no apologies for saying that I absolutely loathe the Tories and pretty much everything they stand for. Despite that, I think what has happened today is grotesque.

No motive has been identified as far as I know, but nothing excuses this.

To be honest, in this horribly messed-up country, I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened even more often. It may be a lucrative career for politicians, but they play with peoples' lives with their policies, and decisions they make from the comfort of their plush offices can make or break the lives of so many people across the country.

Sadly, our own prevailing culture can lead to this kind of tragedy taking place. We have a government in office who relish stoking division. It's a big aspect of how they operate. They use polarisation as a tactic, as do the press and other media. Those divisions always lead to hate, and hate sometimes leads to horrific actions and consequences. Maybe today is one such consequence, or maybe the motive is something completely different? All I know is that until we are all willing to cultivate a coming together, a willingness to empathise with each other and work for the betterment of society as a whole, what happened today will happen again in the future.

RIP David Amess. Condolences to his family.

That wont get the Tories a majority though.

It's a very sad state of affairs.
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« Reply #88 on: October 15, 2021, 06:24:53 pm »
That wont get the Tories a majority though.

It's a very sad state of affairs.

For all the awful things about this government, the worst in my lifetime, I don't think we can pin adversarial politics on them

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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #89 on: October 15, 2021, 06:25:03 pm »
I make no apologies for saying that I absolutely loathe the Tories and pretty much everything they stand for. Despite that, I think what has happened today is grotesque.

No motive has been identified as far as I know, but nothing excuses this.

To be honest, in this horribly messed-up country, I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened even more often. It may be a lucrative career for politicians, but they play with peoples' lives with their policies, and decisions they make from the comfort of their plush offices can make or break the lives of so many people across the country.

Sadly, our own prevailing culture can lead to this kind of tragedy taking place. We have a government in office who relish stoking division. It's a big aspect of how they operate. They use polarisation as a tactic, as do the press and other media. Those divisions always lead to hate, and hate sometimes leads to horrific actions and consequences. Maybe today is one such consequence, or maybe the motive is something completely different? All I know is that until we are all willing to cultivate a coming together, a willingness to empathise with each other and work for the betterment of society as a whole, what happened today will happen again in the future.

RIP David Amess. Condolences to his family.

That wont get the Tories a majority though.

It's a very sad state of affairs.

Yep. We learned nothing from Jo Cox's murder and I don't see any reason why things will be different this time.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #90 on: October 15, 2021, 06:36:05 pm »
What sort of security, if any, do MPs get when they hold constituency surgeries ?  Its actually a genuine question, I have no idea.  If you’re a politician, left, right or centre, you’re going to upset somebody, it’s surprising this sort of shit doesn’t happen more.  What a horrible day, everyday in this country theres something that makes my stomach flip.

They get police advice and that is meant to inform them on where to hold surgeries and how (so most will now run them by appointment rather than constituents just being able to turn up, and in fixed locations with escape routes out). But beyond that for most MPs (ie not in cabinet etc), none. Why their staff feel themselves to be the security. Thing to it since the expenses scandals is that MPs are really, really, really loathe to have large expenses which some will use as a political cudgel regardless of what the expenses have paid for so they're disincentivised from adding costs such as additional security. That could reasonably change, in my view, if doing it centrally and just saying 'this is the lump sum cost of having your MPs as safe as we reasonably can' even if attitudes towards expenses are still locked in from a decade ago.
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« Reply #91 on: October 15, 2021, 06:37:52 pm »
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2021, 06:41:15 pm »
Stephen Timms was lucky he wasn’t included amongst the list of deceased MPs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Stephen_Timms

oh yes, forgot about that, I'm still amazed the lack of security involved at MPs surgeries
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« Reply #93 on: October 15, 2021, 07:09:12 pm »
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I'll tone down what I say/maybe stop posting in the threads, but seeing as the Tories continue to push hate, division, policies that kill people, policies that push families into poverty, that they learnt nothing from the murder of Jo Cox, that they demonise people fleeing Afghanistan, I will not go all Not The Nine O'Clock News sketch on this.
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« Reply #94 on: October 15, 2021, 07:35:47 pm »
Apparently the guy who did it was from Somalia, source Telegraph.

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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #95 on: October 15, 2021, 07:53:23 pm »
Until more is known about who did it and why it is impossible to know the intent. But attacking a politician is not necessarily a political act. In 1990 conservative German politician Wolfgang Schäuble was the target of an assassination attempt. He was shot and severely injured, he survived, but has since been in a wheelchair (he served in Merkel's governments for many years). It happened at an event during election campaigning, later the attacker was found to be suffering from a mental illness and committed to a clinic dealing with forensic psychiatry.
That same year a mentally ill woman attacked the then Social Democratic candidate for German Chancellor, Oskar Lafontaine, with a knife, also at a public event. He was in critical condition for a few days, but made a full recovery. Both these assassination attempts were not politically motivated, but targeted political figures in the public sphere. After years of treatment the attackers were released in 2004 (Schäuble's case) and 2014 (Lafontaine). The man who attacked Schäuble has since issued an apology.

Whilst I take your point, given the current state of British politics I remain to be convinced. We can sometimes class radicalisation as a form of mental illness, and a person can be "de-programmed" from their thinking patterns. But David Amess would have been a deliberate choice of target. Maybe it's not as open and shut as Jo Cox was, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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« Reply #96 on: October 15, 2021, 08:10:58 pm »
Unconfirmed reports now suggesting the murderer was an Islamist of African origin.

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« Reply #97 on: October 15, 2021, 08:23:43 pm »
Some of the tweets I’ve seen tonight in response to this detail - absolutely deplorable, grimly predictable mind you.

Its always predictable that you can find grim on twitter no matter what the story. Its always been a mystery to me why people go on it.

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« Reply #98 on: October 15, 2021, 08:26:38 pm »
Its always predictable that you can find grim on twitter no matter what the story. Its always been a mystery to me why people go on it.

It depends what you do on it though, people can share good things on twitter as well as bad depends on the person concerned.
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« Reply #99 on: October 15, 2021, 08:34:44 pm »
Its always predictable that you can find grim on twitter no matter what the story. Its always been a mystery to me why people go on it.

Twitter is great.  I follow sport, gaming, movies, horror film stars, music. It’s fantastic. One thing I don’t do is follow anything related to news or politics, that’s when it goes tits up. I haven’t got Facebook but I imagine that’s similar.

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« Reply #100 on: October 15, 2021, 08:40:18 pm »
It depends what you do on it though, people can share good things on twitter as well as bad depends on the person concerned.
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« Reply #101 on: October 15, 2021, 08:40:40 pm »
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« Reply #102 on: October 15, 2021, 08:54:41 pm »
Apparently the guy who did it was from Somalia, source Telegraph.
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« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2021, 08:54:53 pm »
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The BBC understands from an official government source that the 25-year-old man being held on suspicion of murdering Sir David Amess MP is a British national who initially appears to be of Somali heritage.

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« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2021, 09:09:47 pm »
Whilst I take your point, given the current state of British politics I remain to be convinced. We can sometimes class radicalisation as a form of mental illness, and a person can be "de-programmed" from their thinking patterns. But David Amess would have been a deliberate choice of target. Maybe it's not as open and shut as Jo Cox was, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Absolutely there could be a political or personal background to this and it might be more probable with the current state of affairs (in the UK and worldwide). But there is true mental illness that has nothing to with radicalisation (if I remember correctly the shooter in 1990 had some sort of schizophrenic disorder).

Regarding security: There were bodyguards present at the German attacks I mentioned, but even that is not a guarantee. Both politicians survived (one bodyguard was injured in the shooting incident), but whenever politicians do public events and specifically meet the public and there are crowds, there is a certain risk. Over the past decade there were a couple of other 'smaller' incidents involving knives here and in 2019 district president Walter Lübcke - who was openly opposing anti refugee rhetoric - was shot in his garden point blank in the head by right wing Neo Nazi scum (who had links to the AfD and various extremist groups). Not even safe at home...

Generally the divisions in our societies are getting bigger and the flames are being fanned by parts of the mainstream media, by certain political players, by bubbles created in social media. The extremists are still a minority, but they have become more vocal and dragged more people into their circles and the willingness for violence has definitely increased with some of them.

What happened today is incredibly sad, and not just in regards to implications for society and democracy, but especially considering what it means for his family and friends.

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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2021, 09:40:02 pm »
Absolutely there could be a political or personal background to this and it might be more probable with the current state of affairs (in the UK and worldwide). But there is true mental illness that has nothing to with radicalisation (if I remember correctly the shooter in 1990 had some sort of schizophrenic disorder).

Regarding security: There were bodyguards present at the German attacks I mentioned, but even that is not a guarantee. Both politicians survived (one bodyguard was injured in the shooting incident), but whenever politicians do public events and specifically meet the public and there are crowds, there is a certain risk. Over the past decade there were a couple of other 'smaller' incidents involving knives here and in 2019 district president Walter Lübcke - who was openly opposing anti refugee rhetoric - was shot in his garden point blank in the head by right wing Neo Nazi scum (who had links to the AfD and various extremist groups). Not even safe at home...

Generally the divisions in our societies are getting bigger and the flames are being fanned by parts of the mainstream media, by certain political players, by bubbles created in social media. The extremists are still a minority, but they have become more vocal and dragged more people into their circles and the willingness for violence has definitely increased with some of them.

What happened today is incredibly sad, and not just in regards to implications for society and democracy, but especially considering what it means for his family and friends.

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« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2021, 09:51:14 pm »
I think it's going to have to be airport-style security checks to see MP's in person in the future. It's a heavy price to pay but with MP's being very much public figures in one-person constituencies it's always been a fragile position to be in when deranged lunatics or terrorists perform acts of evil.

I come from a country which has seen the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister 17 years apart get murdered on the streets of Stockholm, the latter of which really forced a strong re-think of how the security apparatus works around ministers and party leaders. The latter I still struggle to talk about since it affected very close to home and we all found out while at school in the morning. I'll just leave it there out respect for her family. We knew she had gotten stabbed the day before but went to bed believing she was critical but had a chance of making it. Then morning came and we all learned she was dead and it was unreal. It's still hard to believe she's gone.

The big issue in the UK is that you need 650 highly-equipped personal protection teams and that's not going to be easy to find. In Sweden, MP's are anonymous and live their lives like any regular person if they're not in the cabinet or party leadership, both of which take all the heat. I don't even know most names of the MP's in my constituency since they're just part of the party lists. First past the post really poses a challenge in that. There are 650 races and that per definition is polarizing. On the other hand, from a political standpoint it's a very good way to hold politicians to account in the elections if they can't be 'anonymous'. In Sweden, no-one would've known who David Arness was. On the other hand, in Sweden he couldn't represent his local community. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario here and I definitely know I wouldn't want to live that life in the spotlight with the paranoia that must bring.

I think it will be hard for anyone to figure out how to deal with this situation. I think it's a very good start if politicians halt consituency surgeries unless their safeties can't be guaranteed. No-one wants to see more of this.

RIP David. I can't imagine the sheer terror and panic he faced in his final moments. Regardless of who he was and what he voted for or against, everyone should be able to agree on that.
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« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2021, 09:59:13 pm »
RIP.  Whether you agree or disagree with a political stance, if you are elected under the electoral system of the time in a free democratic nation you should be able to go about your business without fear of this happening.  Twice now in a matter of a few years, one Tory, one Labour. 
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« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2021, 10:04:13 pm »
RIP Sir David.

Regardless of his political views he was a man who served his community for many years. Not a piece of shit like his killer.
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« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2021, 10:41:25 pm »
So Britain has a knife crime problem?
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« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2021, 10:47:54 pm »
I couldn’t have disagreed more with the majority of his positions over the years, but this is a grotesque attack on our democracy. RIP.

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« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2021, 11:14:33 pm »
So Britain has a knife crime problem?
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« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2021, 11:26:21 pm »
what?

Whatever the motives for this act, it's another tragic incident where a knife was used to end a life. Let's see if the government move towards actually doing something about it. Every other day there's a kid stabbed to death in a town/city in the UK. Whether it's a law or cultural issue it needs addressing.

Addressing the issue by placing security details on every politician is not fixing anything.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2021, 11:32:47 pm »
This is a grotesque medieval reminder of the reasons why civilised politics evolved in the first place.

It's far from perfect....but the crude alternative is a well worn path in humanity's history, and has no place anymore. Like or loathe them, MPs and politicians of all colours provide us with an outlet for the ideas that fuel civilised life. No matter how contentious the issues are, debate, consensus and respect is the backbone of civilised politics.

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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2021, 11:34:03 pm »
Can't see why these surgeries can't be done 'virtually'. No need for expensive armed security. Hell, no need to even go back to the wife for the weekend. Nothing will happen though - they do like a bit of 'business as usual old boy, chortle chortle'.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2021, 11:35:56 pm »
This is a grotesque medieval reminder of the reasons why civilised politics evolved in the first place.

It's far from perfect....but the crude alternative is a well worn path in humanity's history, and has no place anymore. Like or loathe them, MPs and politicians of all colours provide us with an outlet for the ideas that fuel civilised life. No matter how contentious the issues are, debate, consensus and respect is the backbone of civilised politics.

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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed.
« Reply #116 on: October 16, 2021, 08:56:21 am »
A couple of pages binned.

A man was brutally stabbed to death. Thats the story.

We are considering binning all political threads because they are so fucking toxic. This is another perfect example   I’ll leave it open for news updates.
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« Reply #117 on: October 16, 2021, 09:13:48 am »
Alan - just want to clarify - is it now toxic to be a woman and have the right to choose?

Just want to add, for the avoidance of doubt - that this is a heinous crime and I have nothing but sympathy for David Ammess' family at this time.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed* News updates only.
« Reply #118 on: October 16, 2021, 09:25:59 am »
Alan - just want to clarify - is it now toxic to be a woman and have the right to choose?

Just want to add, for the avoidance of doubt - that this is a heinous crime and I have nothing but sympathy for David Ammess' family at this time.
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Re: David Amess MP stabbed and killed* News updates only.
« Reply #119 on: October 16, 2021, 09:42:29 am »
The issue is clearly a difficult one as has been alluded to elsewhere in the thread. No one here is saying that the man was a saint, or that they agreed with everything he advocated or supported. But he was brutally stabbed to death in his role as an MP, democratically representing his constituents. All that was said about him in a positive sense was that he was a "decent man". No one really went any further than that. Most here will have no knowledge of him personally at all beyond his voting record, a Wikipedia page and the odd bit of news reporting about him.

Firstly, it should be possible to distinguish the personal from the political, although some people will find that hard. My mother is conservative, as are some of her friends, as are some of mine. I still consider them decent people (perhaps not ALL of her friends, but that's not the point...) He was seemingly liked and respected across the political spectrum, and again that's as much as anyone said really. No one was trying to whitewash him as a politician, the focus was correctly on how awful it was for someone to be brutally murdered in these circumstances.

Secondly, if you can't say anything nice about someone, maybe it's best not to say anything at all on the day they were stabbed to death. This doesn't mean your views on the wider issues being discussed here aren't relevant, important, significant etc. It's simply to show the appropriate level of respect and to reflect on what happened today and what it represents, both in relation to our democracy, society as a whole, and to the family of David Amess.