Topic: David Amess MP stabbed and killed* News updates only.

[Dr. Beaker]

David Amess MP stabbed multiple times at constituency surgery!

[CornerFlag]

David Amess MP stabbed multiple times at constituency surgery!

Horrendous.  Whatever your politics, that's absolutely shocking.

[TepidT2O]

I hope this isn’t politically motivated.  Because no one in this country should be harmed for democratically elected politics.

[PaulF]

I hope this isn’t politically motivated.  Because no one in this country should be harmed for democratically elected politics.

Totally agree
 Might want to delete some of robs posts though...

--edit-- that should be any country. Not just this one.

[Commie Bobbie]

Grim. Just grim.

[filopastry]

David Amess MP stabbed multiple times at constituency surgery!

Truly horrible.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

This is exactly what I was worried about earlier today.

You have people saying they'd like to murder someone for being a Tory and it looks like that very thing has happened here.

Disgusting and concerning. This just falls into the 'hate' narrative I mentioned. Do people really think it's OK someone going around trying to kill people because of a different pespective on life?

[Andy82lfc]

This is exactly what I was worried about earlier today.

You have people saying they'd like to murder someone for being a Tory and it looks like that very thing has happened here.

Disgusting and concerning. This just falls into the 'hate' narrative I mentioned. Do people really think it's OK someone going around trying to kill people because of a different pespective on life?

Yeah quite prophetic the comments right before this happened.

[Zeb]

We don't know anything about it but for it's looking really, really serious from the news. Rosie Cooper was targeted by far right extremists in a plot to murder her. A member of staff for an MP was murdered trying to protect the MP from a man who was very disturbed and was found guilty on diminished responsibility. There's a real spectrum of unpleasantness there. Seems to me that the reservations about cost need to be overcome and for security to be there for MPs doing public events. And it will be expensive but you can't keep expecting people to put themselves under the level of threat politicians face. Was listening to Khan speak at Labour conference about the security arrangements he has to have while trying to let his family lead a normal life. Not all that long back sat in a training session opposite a very heavily pregnant MP talking through the threats she was having to deal with. There's plenty of others who've ended up having to give evidence in court against those threatening them and have to set up panic alarms and so on. It's not good.

[Nobby Reserve]

This is exactly what I was worried about earlier today.

You have people saying they'd like to murder someone for being a Tory and it looks like that very thing has happened here.

Disgusting and concerning. This just falls into the 'hate' narrative I mentioned. Do people really think it's OK someone going around trying to kill people because of a different pespective on life?

To be clear, I don't support murdering MPs of any ilk.

But it's not the having 'a different perspective on life' that raises anger. It's them deliberately implementing policy that they know (because they are always warned by groups 'on the ground' who know the likely impacts) will cause suffering and even death to others. They have a callous disregard for the deaths and suffering of others, so why should people have sympathy for them?

Comparing Jo Cox to a Tory MP who, in the past couple of years, has cast his vote to, amongst other things, deny EU citizens the right to stay in the UK & against the extension of free school meals, is ridiculous.

[Andy82lfc]

Being operated on at the scene apparently, horrific.

[Sangria]

This is exactly what I was worried about earlier today.

You have people saying they'd like to murder someone for being a Tory and it looks like that very thing has happened here.

Disgusting and concerning. This just falls into the 'hate' narrative I mentioned. Do people really think it's OK someone going around trying to kill people because of a different pespective on life?

Not just the language, but the direction of discussion. Most notably the one upping of what one would like to do to one's political opponents.

I noted in the past how certain scapegoated players would have people one upping each other in how they hated said player. I found it distasteful, preferring either precise language in describing how said player is lacking (which tends to take the sting out of discussion), or else refraining from commenting.

In political discussion, heated language tends more to strengthen one's part in a group. An even more thorough illustration of where this leads is Trumpism and the storming of the Capitol. A sense that one is in the right, with ever more extreme language reinforcing this sense of fellowship, until it reaches the point where ignoring all evidence and attacking the seats of democracy seems to one to be the morally right thing to do.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Angela Rayner will get loads of criticism now

[Andy82lfc]

He's died. Fucking grim, poor guy.

[CornerFlag]

He's died.

[OOS]

We are all democrats before any political alligencies/ parties. Sad day for British democracy and society. RIP.

[HarryLabrador]

We are all democrats before any political alligencies/ parties. Sad day for British democracy and society. RIP.

Exactly. I am absolutely shocked!
R.I.P.

[jackh]

That's awful. I don't know much about David Amess, but he's clearly held office and represented his constituents for a long time. Very sad.

As with the murder of Jo Cox in 2016, it feel like an attack on much more than just an individual person - I hope that makes sense and doesn't come across as in any way disrespectful/inconsiderate.

[jackh]

We are all democrats before any political alligencies/ parties. Sad day for British democracy and society. RIP.

Very well put. I think that's what I was trying to say above.

[filopastry]

We are all democrats before any political alligencies/ parties. Sad day for British democracy and society. RIP.

Indeed, being an elected MP shouldn't be a job that puts your life at risk, awful that this seems to be becoming part of the job.

Horrible.

[Kashinoda]

My local MP, won't pretend to have liked the guy but this is fucking awful. Happened just up the road to me too.

[TheShanklyGates]

Jo Cox was never going to be the last, sadly. I dread to think how much lower our politics can sink.

RIP.

[killer-heels]

Indeed, being an elected MP shouldn't be a job that puts your life at risk, awful that this seems to be becoming part of the job.

Horrible.

Maybe MP’s have to realise that raising the political temperature is never a good thing.

[Hazell]

Awful. RIP.

[Dr. Beaker]

I remember hating him in the Thatcher days as he seemed like a right little arse licker, but I first met him about twenty five years ago when I first started working at Westminster and he was a very nice bloke, never heard a bad word about him, which is very unusual for an MP.

[Linudden]

RIP

[AndyMuller]

Wasn’t he anti gay marriage, anti abortion and wanted to bring back capital punishment?

Doesn’t sound like the nicest of fellas judging by his beliefs so it is what it is, RIP.

[Alan_X]

David Amess MP has been killed after being stabbed at his constituency surgery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58930593

[Alan_X]

Split from the Main Tory topic.

[A-Bomb]

What a wonderful society we live in....

Gets worse by the year, I don't remember in the past 3 decades having such a fractured society to live amongst here in the UK.

[Peabee]

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He also helped refugees and regretted voting for the Iraq war. We don’t know what excuse the assailant is using yet. Pretty sure his political views don’t deserve him being stabbed to death.

Edit: I noticed you had deleted it, so edited my response. 

[AndyMuller]

He also helped refugees and regretted voting for the Iraq war. We don’t know what excuse the assailant is using yet. Pretty sure his political views don’t deserve him being stabbed to death.

I didn’t say he did deserve it though did I.

[Kashinoda]

What a wonderful society we live in....

Gets worse by the year, I don't remember in the past 3 decades having such a fractured society to live amongst here in the UK.

We've had two MPs murdered within the space of 5 years or so. You wouldn't expect one to happen in your lifetime in a developed country.

I'd like to press the rewind button if possible.

[Red Beret]

This is sadly where we are now.  I can't see how this isn't politically motivated.  The wedge deliberately driven into our political system, setting people against one another with intolerance, suspicion and paranoia, was bound to lead to violence.

My only surprise is that nobody has attacked a Tory MP sooner. Murder is no solution to the problems our society faces; but when politics pushes hatred and intolerance, creates desperation and anger, with seeming no end in sight and nobody able to do anything about it, then you reap what you sow.

[Commie Bobbie]

It's just grim. So fucking grim.

And yet I'm not shocked at all.

State of this island.

[Jm55]

To be clear, I don't support murdering MPs of any ilk.

But it's not the having 'a different perspective on life' that raises anger. It's them deliberately implementing policy that they know (because they are always warned by groups 'on the ground' who know the likely impacts) will cause suffering and even death to others. They have a callous disregard for the deaths and suffering of others, so why should people have sympathy for them?

Comparing Jo Cox to a Tory MP who, in the past couple of years, has cast his vote to, amongst other things, deny EU citizens the right to stay in the UK & against the extension of free school meals, is ridiculous.

All totally fair but probably not really the time for it.

I said the same when Johnson was looking ropey with COVID, the anger and the hatred is totally valid but it can’t ever come to wishing, on in this case forcing, death upon the targets of our anger. The way the world is currently this will probably drum up some revenge escapade putting a left sided MP in danger.

All very grim and indicative of the polarised political spectrum that engulfs the world currently, you’re either one side or the other, and if you’re the other side, you’re a c*nt.

[scatman]

This is awful, it's awful for democracy. RIP

[Sangria]

All totally fair but probably not really the time for it.

I said the same when Johnson was looking ropey with COVID, the anger and the hatred is totally valid but it can’t ever come to wishing, on in this case for ones, death upon the targets of our anger. The way the world is currently this will probably drum up some revenge escapade putting a left sided MP in danger.

All very grim and indicative of the polarised political spectrum that engulfs the world currently, you’re either one side or the other, and if you’re the other side, you’re a c*nt.

I didn't want Johnson to die when he got covid, and I still don't. Whatever my disillusions with our democratic system, it is still the system we need to work with.

[Nobby Reserve]

This is sadly where we are now.  I can't see how this isn't politically motivated. The wedge deliberately driven into our political system, setting people against one another with intolerance, suspicion and paranoia, was bound to lead to violence.

There's no suggestion at this stage to suggest it is, but have you considered the possibility of it being as Islamic terrorist?

[AndyMuller]

I didn't want Johnson to die when he got covid, and I still don't. Whatever my disillusions with our democratic system, it is still the system we need to work with.

How would Johnson dying not be us working with the democratic system? They would just input another other of those Tory c*nts in his place instead wouldn’t they?