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"Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« on: March 11, 2014, 11:25:44 am »
Sell-Off - The Abolition of Your NHS

A film about a group of doctors who want to save the NHS. This is a project created by Peter bach, who is now producing a film to educate people on the deliberate dismantling of the NHS.  This is what he says:

"This film is radical. With over a dozen NHS insiders as my witnesses, I will tell the alarming story of how the health service as we know it is being quietly abolished. Almost without our noticing, it’s been replaced by a system modelled on the US in which care is delivered by profit-maximising companies that charge patients for treatment which is anyway to be restricted and reduced. One medical reporter the filmmaker knows claims that health reporting today is so poor because few journalists have real sources inside the NHS. Well, this film will have a riot of medical sources - including one professor, two consultant radiologists, a cancer expert, a public interest lawyer, and several outspoken GPs. What they all have to say will be shocking, unusual and brave. Our doctors will really strike back in this one. "

However, for this film to reach completion, Peter Bach needs some financial backing from each and everyone of us who care about the NHS.

This is the website where you can also make a contribution. Please spread it around family and friends.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2014, 04:10:01 pm »
Will do.

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 07:43:39 pm »
Thanks for posting that H.

It won't be much, thanks to being in it with Mr and Mrs Altogether. But I will send a few quid. I'll also do my best to spread this about. Hopefully everybody else will to. People really need to be alerted up to what these thieves are doing. They need to be put in the dock for treason.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 10:11:47 pm »
Cheers, on it.
The courts, the rich, the powerful or those in authority never lie. It has been dealt with 'by the courts' nothing to see here run along.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2014, 10:16:19 pm »
Hope they mention that part of the contracts for these privates companies says they have to use the NHS logo as the front for their service if they win the tender. That way Joe Public will never know that it's actually a company like Virgin Healthcare running their local service because you still have NHS on everything that is sent to you and plastered all around the hospital!

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2014, 10:54:04 pm »
This is quite disgusting! Goodbye NHS.

MPs grant powers to close local hospitals


MPs have voted through a controversial measure that gives England's health secretary powers to close local hospitals, even if they are performing well.

Clause 119 in the Care Bill allows a hospital to be closed or downgraded if a neighbouring trust is struggling financially.

The government maintains it is a good way to address local care issues.

But critics say the powers put finances ahead of patient care.

Clause 119 gives special administrators the power to make changes to neighbouring services while trying to rescue failing NHS trusts.

Health Correspondent, BBC News
 
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Change is notoriously difficult. Which politician wants to make the case for closures?

Plans for change normally require lengthy public consultation, and backing from local doctors before they can be pushed through.

If that doesn't work and the trust becomes financially unsustainable a special administrator can be appointed to draw up a fast-track plan for reorganisation, with only brief consultation.

This has to be signed off by the health secretary.

But the process came unstuck in south London where - as part of changes to a neighbouring trust - the rescue plan involved cuts to Lewisham hospital.

The court of appeal ruled last year the health secretary had acted beyond his authority.

Clause 119 of the Care Bill is designed to get round this - so if a trust is put in the hands of a special administrator, it can recommend changes across the whole region.

It was inserted into the bill after the High Court ruled last October that Health Secretary Jeremy C*nt had acted outside his powers when he decided the emergency and maternity units at Lewisham Hospital, in south-east London, should be cut back to save a neighbouring trust that was going bust - Queen Elizabeth Hospital Woolwich.

It means Trust Special Administrators who take over any failing NHS trusts in England can push through whatever other local changes they think are necessary, although they will have to consult the public, commissioners and staff.

A total of 297 MPs voted in favour of Clause 119, while 239 voted against it.

There have been several high-profile campaigns to save hospitals and services earmarked for closure in recent years, including the Save Lewisham Hospital campaign.

Labour shadow health secretary Andy Burnham told MPs Clause 119 was dangerous and wrong.

He said: "It creates an entirely new route for hospital reconfiguration - top-down, finance-led.

"It subverts the established process in the NHS which requires that any changes to hospitals should first and foremost be about saving lives, rather than saving money, and it puts management consultants, not medical consultants or GPs, in the driving seat."

Labour says more than 30 cash-strapped trusts could face closures.

But Health Secretary Jeremy C*nt said clause 119 would help drive forward changes to ensure patient safety when trusts were found to be failing.

A Department of Health spokesperson said the clause would only ever be used as a "last resort".

"Changes to the special administrator regime will ensure that patients get safe care, and these powers have only ever been used in extremis twice since 2009.

"It is a process of last resort, when a hospital trust faces very serious financial or quality risks," the spokesman said.

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2014, 11:08:16 pm »
Hope they mention that part of the contracts for these privates companies says they have to use the NHS logo as the front for their service if they win the tender. That way Joe Public will never know that it's actually a company like Virgin Healthcare running their local service because you still have NHS on everything that is sent to you and plastered all around the hospital!

This drives me mad. The whole fact that they are tendering out every public service to profiteering pricks is wrong, but, just on this one, you would think they would have to put 'Virgin Healthcare, on behalf of NHS' or 'Virgin Healthcare, funded by NHS', just for clarity. Surely there must be some legal obligation so that a member of the public knows who to direct their complaint or feedback to. Surely the public have the right to know who provides the services in the area.

The leeches should not be allowed to have it in the first place, but it just feels like deceitful Orwellian doublespeak.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 12:49:53 am »
for months I was telling people about Virgin running A&E rooms and Branson having a tender in for the ambulance service. When I told them how I knew, I got called all sorts of conspiracy loons. Mind you david Icke was screaming about peadoes at the beeb for 20 years. The point is not lizards from the moon... these aren't conspiracy theories anymore. They are criminal conspiracies being plotted and hatched in westminster. This is not a credit crunch, financial crisis or even a recession... its out and out robbery
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 11:12:06 am »
I was expecting to be pulled over that last post. It's the truth, but I put it in thinking it might keep the thread bumped.

That's what's going on though. so called conspiracy theorists call, it problem, reaction, solution.

My own belief is in simplistic Shankly Socialism... all working hard, and sharing in the rewards. But  them nutty tin helmeted conspiracy theorists have got that one right. It's the one transparent thing about this government. First of all we get the horror stories about the nhs, were in the reaction part now, but the solution is already going on on the sly.

Lots of examples... First they attacked the feckless under 23 yr olds, took away their housing benefits, made squatting illegal, done away with legal aid. It's a systematic robbery.

Now were being told about the recovery. It's based on interest rates due to unemployment falling, or you could say people being booted off the dole and left with nothing. Either way it's driving the recovery, and apparently us unwashed should feel the benefit of it just after the next election.
Thank fuck for that, but don't get sick or see if you can get American style "Health Benefits" written into your zero hour, no pay contract.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2014, 11:37:49 am »
Sleep-walking into privatisation is what we are doing. The press/media have also made sure very little information is publically aired. Last night, that NHS bill in parliament hardly made the news, instead they concentrated on Labour's possible European in-out vote. I care diddly-squat about the European referendum when the NHS is going down the pan, zero-hour employment to name just two. Douglas Alexander, the shadow Foreign Secretary, was impressive this morning when he said there are more important agenda than this.

I started by saying we are 'sleep-walking into privatisation'. It's not just the large-scale shut down of local hospitals, but everyday changes that should be of concern. For instance, my brother who is a cardiologist, tells me a pet scan facility which was previously provided by a particular NHS hospital was now run within that same hospital by a private concern. Results from this can take 4 times the period it used to take. He wonders why Labour are so poor at relating their history (even fairly recent history) to the public. He recalls prior to the last Labour government, most hospitals were not given funding towards CT scanners; they had to rely on charitable donations, because the tories were not interested. Under Labour, practically every hospital now possess a scanner. I know Labour have gone on that slippery slope of capitalism, but to me they are still the case of 'better the devil we know'.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2014, 11:55:04 am »
, but to me they are still the case of 'better the devil we know'.
Without a doubt. There's a book I've been told to read. I'll have to get it, The Privatisation Of The World.

It just makes me laugh, when conspiracy monger gets thrown out. Who'd ever believe that the rich want to take all they can and talk about it with one another.

One of the first things the Tories done when they got in... sent a delegation to the US to see how they done welfare and health care. I lived in the US. I love the place and the people. It's a great gaff, and the people are dead friendly and hospitable, but I don't fancy people here being on food stamps or left to cope if they haven't got insurance.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2014, 12:07:27 pm »
Without a doubt. There's a book I've been told to read. I'll have to get it, The Privatisation Of The World.

FS, can you let me have more on that book please. The only one I've managed to find is by that vile tory Oliver Letwin "Privatizing the World: A Study of International Privatization in Theory and Practice ". :o
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2014, 02:57:10 pm »
FS, can you let me have more on that book please. The only one I've managed to find is by that vile tory Oliver Letwin "Privatizing the World: A Study of International Privatization in Theory and Practice ". :o
Yeah. That's it, H. Someone told me, it's all laid bare in there... apparently, it's a real eye opening lesson in knowing your enemy.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2014, 03:10:39 pm »
Yeah. That's it, H. Someone told me, it's all laid bare in there... apparently, it's a real eye opening lesson in knowing your enemy.
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2014, 11:22:48 am »
NHS users should pay £10 a month, says former health minister
Lord Warner says monthly fee could be collected alongside council tax to prevent health service from sliding into decline
•   Denis Campbell, health correspondent
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•   The Guardian, Monday 31 March 2014
•   Jump to comments (1094)

Everyone in the UK should start paying a £10-a-month NHS "membership charge" to save it from sliding into a decline that threatens its existence, a former Labour health minister has urged.

Lord Warner, who served under Tony Blair, warns that the NHS will become unsustainable without new sources of funding and painful changes.

"Many politicians and clinicians are scared to tell people that our much-beloved 65-year-old NHS no longer meets the country's needs," Warner writes in the Guardian.

"Frankly, it is often poor value for money. The NHS now represents the greatest public spending challenge after the general election. MPs taking to the streets to preserve clinically unsustainable hospital services only damage their constituents."

Warner, in a report he has co-authored for the thinktank Reform, says dramatic action is needed as the NHS faces an expected £30bn-a-year gap by 2020 between the demand for healthcare and its ability to respond, and needs several new funding streams to remain viable.

Revenue could also come from higher, hypothecated "sin" taxes on alcohol, tobacco and gambling, and taxes on sugary foods because of rising obesity.

Inheritance tax needs to be collected from more than the current 3.5% of the 500,000 people who die each year, and visitors staying overnight in hospital should pay "hotel charges".

A £10 monthly fee would be used to fund local initiatives to improve prevention of ill-health and an annual "health MoT" for everyone of working age, say Warner and co-author Jack O'Sullivan, an expert in new thinking in health and social care.

The charging proposal immediately prompted a heated debate amongst doctors. One critic dubbed it "as poisonous as the poll tax" while the doctors' union criticised it as "an NHS tax on patients" that would threaten the health service's central tenet of providing care that is free at the point of use.

Dr Clive Peedell, an NHS oncologist who is co-leader of the National Health Action party, said the monthly charge would be "an unfair tax because it's a flat tax and not part of a progressive tax system. The poor would pay the same as the rich. It could be as unpopular as the poll tax was. Politically it's as poisonous as the poll tax." Ministers should instead crack down on the cash lost through tax avoidance and use some of that to boost the NHS's budget, he added.

"Any attempts to introduce what would amount to an NHS tax on patients puts us on the slippery slope towards the end of an NHS that needs to be, and should be, free at the point of use," said Dr Ian Wilson, chairman of the British Medical Association's national representative body.

"The BMA remains strongly opposed to any attempts to introduce charging patients, whether that is a monthly payment, for hospital admissions or for GP appointments."

Social care should be merged with the NHS to create a National Health and Care Service offering patients integrated care. Hospital services should be concentrated in fewer places to improve clinical quality, with closed hospitals becoming primary care centres.

In his article, Warner claims that continuing austerity throughout the next parliament means the NHS cannot get a larger share of general taxation. "Over-protecting an outdated, cosseted and unaffordable healthcare system inevitably means starving other vital public services, unless we choke off economic growth and worsen the cost of living with big tax increases.

"That might all be worth contemplating if the NHS was offering brilliant care. But it isn't," he says, citing poor care of frail, elderly people and high rates of avoidable and expensive hospital admissions.

He attacks the current and previous governments for not tackling the "developing crisis" of affordability in the NHS, and warns that solving the problem will need five years of "continuous political, professional and managerial effort from 2015". Change will involve "political leadership of change, not micro-management of inevitable decline", including backing for Simon Stevens, who takes over on 1 April as NHS England's chief executive, succeeding Sir David Nicholson.

The Department of Health, NHS England and the Royal College of GPs all oppose charging patients for access to care. "The founding principles of the NHS make it universally free at point of use and we are clear that it will continue to be so. This government doesn't support the introduction of membership fees or anything like them," said a spokesman for the Department of Health. "But we know that with an ageing population there's more pressure on the NHS, which is why we need changes to services that focus far more on health prevention out of hospitals."

Meanwhile, a poll of 100 MPs of all parties found 48% believe a free NHS may not survive unless the challenges facing it are tackled, although 65% say there is too little political will to push through the changes needed.
The poll, by Dods Monitoring for the NHS Confederation, found 81% think the NHS in their area needs to change in order to meet patients' needs, but one in four said they would not back a reorganisation if their constituents opposed it.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/31/nhs-users-pay-membership-charge
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2014, 12:08:11 pm »
Then it's not the NHS is it? Daft Blairite c*nt.

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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2014, 12:25:03 pm »
Then it's not the NHS is it? Daft Blairite c*nt.

We already pay some of our taxes (a sizeable amount proportionally) towards the NHS. This idiot's suggestion gives the impression tax payers don't pay anything towards the NHS. "free at point of use " is what the NHS stands for, end of.
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2014, 12:31:07 pm »
i work on the nhs and ive said it before but ive seen first hand doctors after an op debating on doing another op required for the patient if they would get the money for it or sending her back to her origional hospital if they dont get the funding.  In the nhs now hospitals are run by financial experts and in ours we have a load of marketing managers.  Marketing the hospital for business to ensure the patients in catchment areas go to our hospital for treatment over others.  Each hospital runs like they are asda and the other is tescos when in reality they should all be singing off the same sheet as they are all tesco.

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2014, 02:51:19 pm »
NHS users should pay £10 a month, says former health minister
Lord Warner says monthly fee could be collected alongside council tax to prevent health service from sliding into decline
•   Denis Campbell, health correspondent
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•   The Guardian, Monday 31 March 2014
•   Jump to comments (1094)

Everyone in the UK should start paying a £10-a-month NHS "membership charge" to save it from sliding into a decline that threatens its existence, a former Labour health minister has urged.

Lord Warner, who served under Tony Blair, warns that the NHS will become unsustainable without new sources of funding and painful changes.

"Many politicians and clinicians are scared to tell people that our much-beloved 65-year-old NHS no longer meets the country's needs," Warner writes in the Guardian.

"Frankly, it is often poor value for money. The NHS now represents the greatest public spending challenge after the general election. MPs taking to the streets to preserve clinically unsustainable hospital services only damage their constituents."

Warner, in a report he has co-authored for the thinktank Reform, says dramatic action is needed as the NHS faces an expected £30bn-a-year gap by 2020 between the demand for healthcare and its ability to respond, and needs several new funding streams to remain viable.

Revenue could also come from higher, hypothecated "sin" taxes on alcohol, tobacco and gambling, and taxes on sugary foods because of rising obesity.

Inheritance tax needs to be collected from more than the current 3.5% of the 500,000 people who die each year, and visitors staying overnight in hospital should pay "hotel charges".

A £10 monthly fee would be used to fund local initiatives to improve prevention of ill-health and an annual "health MoT" for everyone of working age, say Warner and co-author Jack O'Sullivan, an expert in new thinking in health and social care.

The charging proposal immediately prompted a heated debate amongst doctors. One critic dubbed it "as poisonous as the poll tax" while the doctors' union criticised it as "an NHS tax on patients" that would threaten the health service's central tenet of providing care that is free at the point of use.

Dr Clive Peedell, an NHS oncologist who is co-leader of the National Health Action party, said the monthly charge would be "an unfair tax because it's a flat tax and not part of a progressive tax system. The poor would pay the same as the rich. It could be as unpopular as the poll tax was. Politically it's as poisonous as the poll tax." Ministers should instead crack down on the cash lost through tax avoidance and use some of that to boost the NHS's budget, he added.

"Any attempts to introduce what would amount to an NHS tax on patients puts us on the slippery slope towards the end of an NHS that needs to be, and should be, free at the point of use," said Dr Ian Wilson, chairman of the British Medical Association's national representative body.

"The BMA remains strongly opposed to any attempts to introduce charging patients, whether that is a monthly payment, for hospital admissions or for GP appointments."

Social care should be merged with the NHS to create a National Health and Care Service offering patients integrated care. Hospital services should be concentrated in fewer places to improve clinical quality, with closed hospitals becoming primary care centres.

In his article, Warner claims that continuing austerity throughout the next parliament means the NHS cannot get a larger share of general taxation. "Over-protecting an outdated, cosseted and unaffordable healthcare system inevitably means starving other vital public services, unless we choke off economic growth and worsen the cost of living with big tax increases.

"That might all be worth contemplating if the NHS was offering brilliant care. But it isn't," he says, citing poor care of frail, elderly people and high rates of avoidable and expensive hospital admissions.

He attacks the current and previous governments for not tackling the "developing crisis" of affordability in the NHS, and warns that solving the problem will need five years of "continuous political, professional and managerial effort from 2015". Change will involve "political leadership of change, not micro-management of inevitable decline", including backing for Simon Stevens, who takes over on 1 April as NHS England's chief executive, succeeding Sir David Nicholson.

The Department of Health, NHS England and the Royal College of GPs all oppose charging patients for access to care. "The founding principles of the NHS make it universally free at point of use and we are clear that it will continue to be so. This government doesn't support the introduction of membership fees or anything like them," said a spokesman for the Department of Health. "But we know that with an ageing population there's more pressure on the NHS, which is why we need changes to services that focus far more on health prevention out of hospitals."

Meanwhile, a poll of 100 MPs of all parties found 48% believe a free NHS may not survive unless the challenges facing it are tackled, although 65% say there is too little political will to push through the changes needed.
The poll, by Dods Monitoring for the NHS Confederation, found 81% think the NHS in their area needs to change in order to meet patients' needs, but one in four said they would not back a reorganisation if their constituents opposed it.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/31/nhs-users-pay-membership-charge

Harry, I put a comment in the Tory thread, but it belongs in here... last week, the post office laid off 1600 workers and the cost of stamps went up today.

The blag for selling off the PO was, "it wasn't competitive enough."

It made 643 million the year before it was sold. It was sold off at way below it's value, to their rich mates. It was sold off against the workers wishes and only a handful of them were able to take up the stock option. Make no mistake, the NHS is next.

It's been getting sold on the sly for ages. And, as Macca just said, it's being ran like a supermarket, where only the bottom line counts. The Daily Mirror made a big deal about "Exposing" Virgin for running some A&E rooms. Well, you know them discredited conspiracy loons who can't be qouted on here, they had been screaming about Branson running the hossies for months and nobody would listen, or they buried it.

They've also been saying for months, that Branson has a bid in for the Ambulance Service, nationwide. But nobody in the media has mentioned it. They are all in cahoots.

One of the first things Cameron done when he usurped the PM's chair, was send a think tank to the States to see how they run their health and welfare systems. And that's what we'll end up with... a fucked up mess. No insurance, no care. No job, food stamps. Food stamps being sold for half price and kids going hungry. Social housing gone, working families living in the backs of cars.

I hate to be the voice of doom and gloom, but this is what's on the cards. But, hey ho, the city's recovering nicely... thing is, it never needed to recover anyway. It's us that pay. And how the fuck Nana's spare room is supposed to pay off 1.5 trillion debt is beyond me. But she'd best pay for the extra room, for relatives to stay in, as she won't get a bed in the hossie soon.
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2014, 06:19:21 pm »
i work on the nhs and ive said it before but ive seen first hand doctors after an op debating on doing another op required for the patient if they would get the money for it or sending her back to her origional hospital if they dont get the funding.  In the nhs now hospitals are run by financial experts and in ours we have a load of marketing managers.  Marketing the hospital for business to ensure the patients in catchment areas go to our hospital for treatment over others.  Each hospital runs like they are asda and the other is tescos when in reality they should all be singing off the same sheet as they are all tesco.

In my hospital they've had to close down have the ward as several nurses have left recently. They handed in their notices months ago, their jobs are still waiting to be advertised because of cost saving and the current nurses are overworked, stressed and damn right pissed off. This is in a small community hospital that is huge for the area and the rehab of the elderly population here. Today one of the execs of the health board came to visit, was getting gold treatment off the ward sisters until he made the mistake of asking one of the nurses who was serving their notice, and leaving in a month, for her thoughts. She gave him a barrel full and he left with his tail beneath his legs. Will it make a difference? Will it fuck. Will we reopen back to full capacity with a full amount of nurses? Probably, but it's going for audits and to panels first to see if there's the money there. By the time those audits and panels have made their decision it could have probably funded 2 or 3 nurses for a couple of years from the wages wasted on the corporate parasites who fucking run them!

So here's a message for you Lord Warner. Get the government to make proper changes to the NHS, fuck off the parasitical "management" who drain money in wages and bonuses from the NHS and get that cash reinvested back into frontline services for those who actually make a difference to the population. Whilst you're at it, get them to give us our fucking due in the pathetic 1% payrise we've been told we've had instead of offering us fuck all because the "cost will be too high" whilst the useless c*nts in Westminster get a fucking 11% payrise on for the part time shite they spew out on the days they can actually be fucking bothered to turn up for Parliament!!!!!!!!! :no

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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2014, 07:27:38 pm »


The NHS isn't next, it's already present!
Yes. You're right. That's a much better way of putting it.

Even Thatcher never dared to touch the NHS, but these self deluding bastards will stop at nothing. They hold themselves up as some sort of moral standard bearers, but they think nothing of leaving people hungry, with no shelter and nowhere to turn when they get ill. I honestly don't have the words to describe how much I hate these meglamaniac, pyschopathic bastards.
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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2014, 07:34:00 pm »
Yes. You're right. That's a much better way of putting it.

Even Thatcher never dared to touch the NHS, but these self deluding bastards will stop at nothing. They hold themselves up as some sort of moral standard bearers, but they think nothing of leaving people hungry, with no shelter and nowhere to turn when they get ill. I honestly don't have the words to describe how much I hate these meglamaniac, pyschopathic bastards.

You're right about Thatcher but this lot are worse. They've pulled the wool over our eyes and are doing it anyway. If Thatcher was smart of it to do it this way she'd have done it long ago. Look at what I've said above about the tendering process and the conditions that process is run under. They all have to have the NHS logo fronting their service so you could walk into your local A&E, have an appointment with your local consultant, be admitted to your local hospital and everything you have will be branded with the NHS logo. However the NHS might not be running that service, any number of healthcare provider could be, but you'll never know because the only way of finding out is in the very small print or by asking.

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« Reply #28 on: April 1, 2014, 05:46:46 am »
It's been going on for years..
And nothing much will change whoever is at the helm in Downing Street.

John Pilger did this piece in 07 on the stealth privatization of the NHS:

On 5 October, the Health Secretary, Alan Johnson, approved a list of fourteen companies that will advise on and take over the "commissioning" of NHS services. They will be given influence, if not eventually control, over which treatments patients receive and who provides them. They are assured multimillions in profits.

They include the US companies UnitedHealth, Aetna and Humana. These totalitarian organisations have been repeatedly fined for their notorious role in the American health-care system. Last year, UnitedHealth's chief executive, William McGuire, who was paid $125m a year, resigned following a share-option scandal. In September, the company agreed to pay out $20m in fines "for failures in processing claims and responding to patient complaints". Aetna has had to pay $120m in damages after a California jury found it guilty of "malice, oppression and fraud".

These companies are the Labour government's friends. Simon Stevens, Blair's former health policy adviser, is now a CEO at UnitedHealth. Julian Le Grand, writing in the Guardian as a distinguished professor, gives his learned approval to the "reforms" - he, too, was Blair's adviser.

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« Reply #29 on: April 1, 2014, 07:38:38 am »

I read all your post mate. And like I said, I've been reading about this for months now. But that post by Alfonso has just, well, not shocked me, but... 2007, and not a bloody word in our media alerting people to what they're up to.

This why I rant about the BBC. I expect no different from the privately owned media, but the beeb... It's shocking. They're just reporting the robbery that was the sale of Royal Mail, and that's only because the auditors have released a report on what a theft it was.

These bastards will not cease until there's nothing left to steal and they have us all working on zero hour, no pay contracts to pay for it. But them bloody scroungers and immigrants, eh... simple divide and conquer, aided and abetted by the media, is all they've really got. And I'm waiting for the NHS horror stories, and the privatisation being it's only hope stories to begin in earnest.

Problem, reaction, solution, them nutty conspiracy whackos call it. I'm waiting for Labour and the Beeb to call them out on it, but I wouldn't hold me breath.
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« Reply #30 on: April 1, 2014, 07:43:19 am »
Who is behind Reform's call for NHS charges?

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The private health insurance industry has been trying to get think tanks to help it make money in Britain for the last 10 years. Is today's report by Reform calling for NHS charges the result?

People in England should be forced to pay a £10-a-month NHS "membership charge" if we want to save the service from ruin, according to a new report by the think tank Reform.

Solving the NHS care and cash crisis also recommends that people staying overnight in hospital should pay ‘hotel charges’.

Reform, which has long advocated free-market reforms to the NHS, is funded by companies which would benefit greatly from the introduction of changes to the way we pay for healthcare. These have included General Healthcare Group, the UK’s largest private hospital firm, but more significantly a large number of corporations in the private health insurance industry.

In recent years Reform has been funded by: Prudential, Legal & General, Scottish Widows, Aviva, Benenden insurance, Gen Re (reinsurer of health products) and US health insurance giant UnitedHealth, which has faced accusations of overcharging and malpractice. The industry’s trade body, the Association of British Insurers, is also a donor.

Prudential was Reform’s most generous funder in 2012, handing over £67,500. What it received in return is not known. Reform describes itself as determinedly independent and states that none of its research is funded by either companies or individuals.

However, in the mid-noughties, a lobbyist for Standard Life Healthcare, which is now part of PruHealth, grumbled about the communication challenge facing the private healthcare industry (page 6 of pdf). When money for health services is tight, how to get more British people to buy private health insurance, without being seen to undermine the NHS, was proving difficult. 'The problem we will always have is that we’ll get accused of “Well you would say that, wouldn’t you?”’ he told an industry roundtable on the Future of Healthcare.

His proposed way of getting around this challenge was to use third parties: ‘It’s actually not us who needs to be saying it; we need other people to do so.’ The lobbyist confirmed that the private health insurance industry was working to ‘get some of the think tanks to say it, so it’s not just us calling for reform, it’s professionals, it’s outside commentators . . . it does need others to help us take the debate forward’.

Reform has led much of the debate on how the NHS should be funded in future. For years it has called on government to ‘grasp the nettle’ and introduce radical changes, such as user charges for health services and a bigger role for private health insurance. In 2009, for example, as the country prepared for a general election, it produced a report on the ‘Future of Health’. This advocated a greater use of ‘insurance-based private funding’ in Britain’s health service. It was co-sponsored by PruHealth.

According to today's report by the think tank: “There is an urgent need to open up a public debate on the way we provide and pay for health and social care.” It calls for a “Big Conversation” with the public, which it says needs to be conducted “in a grown-up way without beating up politicians who raise [the issues] in public”.

A public debate on the NHS is one that we should all be demanding. If there is not enough money to support the service – the desperate crisis in funding is disputed, although the cost to the NHS of introducing some free-market reforms, such as PFI, is not in dispute – we need to have a discussion on how we are to fund and access healthcare. Politicians are inclined to avoid leading this debate. But, in their absence, it look as though it is being led by the private health industry. 

So, let us begin by being up front about who is speaking and why. If the insurers are putting their words in the mouths of seemingly independent bodies like think tanks, who have both political influence and can command significant media attention, this is not a good place to start.

A Quiet Word: Lobbying, Crony Capitalism and Broken Politics in Britain by Tamasin Cave and Andy Rowell is published by Random House.

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« Reply #31 on: April 1, 2014, 08:30:56 am »
The new boss went in today, mate. He's calling for a the biggest effort ever from the biggest team. We all know what that means... hospital staff working longer and harder for less.

What's left for them to sell and steal... The NHS, BBC, not much else. Hospital corridors like train aisles, but don't worry Branson and Hussein Bolt will get you there quicker than HS2.

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« Reply #32 on: April 1, 2014, 05:45:36 pm »
The new boss went in today, mate. He's calling for a the biggest effort ever from the biggest team. We all know what that means... hospital staff working longer and harder for less.



Yeh good luck trying to get nurses to work more than the 12 hour shifts they already do! We get taken advantage of all the fucking time. We enter the NHS and our various professions because we care and want to look after people and help them to get better. The government know this and they know we won't stop doing what we do because we care. They use that to force changes on us that we don't want, changes that make us worse off and changes that make us unhealthy and work us to the bone. If we strike we get bollocksed by the country because we're withdrawing our services and the government win. It's a whole general fucking apathy. If this £10 charge comes in will I get a payrise for working the extra hours I'll have to do? Will I fuck!

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« Reply #33 on: April 1, 2014, 06:54:25 pm »
Yeh good luck trying to get nurses to work more than the 12 hour shifts they already do! We get taken advantage of all the fucking time. We enter the NHS and our various professions because we care and want to look after people and help them to get better. The government know this and they know we won't stop doing what we do because we care. They use that to force changes on us that we don't want, changes that make us worse off and changes that make us unhealthy and work us to the bone. If we strike we get bollocksed by the country because we're withdrawing our services and the government win. It's a whole general fucking apathy. If this £10 charge comes in will I get a payrise for working the extra hours I'll have to do? Will I fuck!
I know mate. It's woeful. And it's all a plan. It's their MO... run an industry into the floor, make it look a basket case, then sell it for next to nothing to themselves and their chums.

I just watched the Labour Parties Party Political Broadcast. It was half ways decent, but they never once mentioned the NHS and what these thieving bastards are doing to it.

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« Reply #34 on: April 1, 2014, 08:44:05 pm »
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« Reply #35 on: April 3, 2014, 02:05:00 pm »
Eoin Clarke ‏@DrEoinCl 5m

Woah! List of organisations handed your NHS patient data is published. Long list of Private Health Firms included

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@DrEoinCl @kitty_kelliher Some appear to get data from NHS > sell it back.Typical outsource/contract, ask for yr watch then tell u the time!

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« Reply #36 on: April 3, 2014, 08:56:04 pm »
Just started work experience at Broomfield and got inducted. One of the information security heads told us about how the government sent out leaflets to 1 out of 60 patients asking if they wanted their information uploaded to the spine - the nhs databank. Hunt and co took a non reply as no - and sold millions of the resulting patients information off back in 2010. It just hit the news this week but because of Russia noone noticed.

And the only reason it wasn't worse was because the information commisioner stamped on it when he found out. The whole thing was pretty depressing. I believe in the people running the hospital I work for, but the outside forces are another thing entirely.
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« Reply #37 on: June 4, 2014, 11:24:56 pm »
On my mobile so can only post the link but worth a read an its rings true from what I see

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« Reply #38 on: June 6, 2014, 08:12:55 am »
Hope they mention that part of the contracts for these privates companies says they have to use the NHS logo as the front for their service if they win the tender. That way Joe Public will never know that it's actually a company like Virgin Healthcare running their local service because you still have NHS on everything that is sent to you and plastered all around the hospital!

I received an appointment for pulmonary rehabilitation. The letter had the big NHS logo at the top but Bupa and another company at the bottom, that I hadn't heard of.
The leaflet that came with it that explained what to expect from the treatment, also explained how these two companies supply the treatment " On behath of the NHS " and called me a customer three times. I'm a fucking patient not a customer!
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« Reply #39 on: July 1, 2014, 08:06:10 am »
http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2014/jun/30/jeremy-hunt-stop-gp-bashing

Decent article on where the government go wrong in healthcare. They set unrealistic and wrong targets and then we get the blame for not carrying them out. If anyone can post out the full thing as im on my phone thanks.