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Re: Joe Anderson Mayor of Liverpool
« Reply #40 on: January 1, 2015, 01:42:02 pm »
Uncle Joe Stalin Anderson throws his toys out the pram.  Again.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/anderson-anger-merseyside-metro-mayor-8367926

Hopes for an elected ‘metro mayor’ for the whole of Merseyside appear to have been “scuppered” after Knowsley councillors voted to block the move.

Mayor of Liverpool Joe Anderson said he was “bitterly disappointed” and claimed it was now “questionable” whether high-level talks about devolving more power from Westminster to Merseyside would go ahead.

The mayor’s frustration comes after Knowsley council passed a motion saying there was “no public support” for a metro mayor in Merseyside.

Instead the authority believes devolution is possible without the “creation of another tier of elected government”.


Well in and congrats to all-Labour Knowsley for having the balls to stand up to this political bully and say they don't want Mayor Anderson of Merseyside - because that is where it would be heading for the pompous, self important bastard.
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« Reply #41 on: March 7, 2016, 08:15:36 am »
Anybody given any thoughts on this?  I am really hoping the people of Liverpool don't act like sheep and give Joe Anderson free reign once again, for no other reason than his rosette says "Labour".

I'm wondering if we will see more independents this time around.  I hadn't heard of Gavin Knox before and to be honest his "no cuts, no austerity" platform seems charmingly naive.  But the city certainly does need fresh thinking and I feel Anderson has long been cashing in on the anti-Tory/Lib-Dem sentiment rather than trying to offer any kind of hope for the people who live their whole lives on Merseyside.


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Gavin Knox Campaign Promises:

1. Justice for Liverpool. No cuts. No Austerity. We can and we will lift the thumb of London that has suppressed our economy

2. I will donate all but 10K of my yearly Mayoral salary to directly attack the issue of homelessness in Liverpool and the Northwest. We can and we will end homelessness

3. I will not accept any monetary donations towards my campaign. We can and we will take money out of politics

4. The Merseyside £. When devolution happens a local currency alongside traditional Sterling will benefit the region, locking money into our economy. We can and we will create positive and negative feedback loops to safe guard our economy

Campaign Demands:

Let's make Liverpool great

One thing I do think needs serious consideration is a local currency, and there is a precedent set for it in the city. 
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #42 on: March 7, 2016, 05:55:57 pm »
Living over the water I don't get to participate in the vote, but if I lived that side of things I'd be very wary of giving Backhanderson free rein in the city again.  All he seems to do is pose for photo ops while getting rid of a lot of the legacy of the city while taking its money and giving development contracts to his mates.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #43 on: March 7, 2016, 06:48:30 pm »
Anderson doesn't even want the job for long, he wants the regional Mayorhood when that comes up, and he couldn't do both jobs at once, so we'll end up with another election before long.

Can't see anyone making a serious challenge to him, either. Knox just looks like a bad joke, frankly.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #44 on: March 7, 2016, 07:16:52 pm »
The irony is, the other Merseyside authorities see Anderson for the fraud he is and keep closing ranks against him.  There was some kind of hoo-ha last year with them and he threw his toys out the pram.

He's about as socialist as Tony Blair wanking over a picture of Margaret Thatcher.  My piss steam is more socialist than Joe Anderson.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #45 on: March 7, 2016, 07:22:25 pm »
The irony is, the other Merseyside authorities see Anderson for the fraud he is and keep closing ranks against him.  There was some kind of hoo-ha last year with them and he threw his toys out the pram.


Yes, we're in for interesting times there, sure enough. Still the most likely to get the job, which will mean someone else as the Labour candidate for mayor of Liverpool at least.

As for this election, he'll walk it.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #46 on: March 7, 2016, 07:39:39 pm »
Won't the Liverpool city region Mayor replace the current Mayor of Liverpool role. would seem like a waste of time and money to have two elected mayors.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #47 on: March 7, 2016, 07:43:15 pm »

Hopefully bulldozer Anderson won't win.

I think I'll be voting for Richard Kemp.

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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #48 on: March 7, 2016, 08:05:38 pm »
The irony is, the other Merseyside authorities see Anderson for the fraud he is and keep closing ranks against him.  There was some kind of hoo-ha last year with them and he threw his toys out the pram.

He's about as socialist as Tony Blair wanking over a picture of Margaret Thatcher.  My piss steam is more socialist than Joe Anderson.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #49 on: March 7, 2016, 08:19:59 pm »
Hopefully bulldozer Anderson won't win.

I think I'll be voting for Richard Kemp.

http://www.richardkemp.org.uk/

Had dealings a few years back with richard kemp  over the proposed demolition of my 80 year old mother in laws house , we tried to make representation at a council meeting ...he wouldn't allow it and only a labour guy called Frank prendergast ( was a leader or mayor once I think ) overheard us arguing with kemp over it , comes over and remonstrates with kemp over allowing us our say . we were allowed in to address the committee and the decision was overturned much to his annoyance

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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #50 on: March 7, 2016, 08:40:05 pm »
Hopefully bulldozer Anderson won't win.

I think I'll be voting for Richard Kemp.

http://www.richardkemp.org.uk/

Have to say, I'm not a shallow person but that moustache has deeply upset me

And I wouldn't say that the campaign promise of no cuts in the OP sounds charmingly naive, it sounds stupid and deliberately misleading to give the impression that he could do that much about it.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #51 on: March 8, 2016, 10:13:59 pm »
No idea how "No cuts. No Austerity" will work when Whitehall control our budgets. And if we do run a deficit, someone external will do the cuts for us and they won't care how they do it.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #52 on: March 8, 2016, 10:21:19 pm »
No idea how "No cuts. No Austerity" will work when Whitehall control our budgets. And if we do run a deficit, someone external will do the cuts for us and they won't care how they do it.

The Mayor doesn't set the budget in any case.
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« Reply #53 on: March 8, 2016, 10:22:24 pm »
The Mayor doesn't set the budget in any case.

I know, just don't know why its a "promise" when its an impossible one.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #54 on: March 8, 2016, 10:28:59 pm »
I know, just don't know why its a "promise" when its an impossible one.

His main policy aim seems to be no more student accommodation, which is fair enough, but hardly the most pressing issue on the Major's desk.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #55 on: March 8, 2016, 11:01:04 pm »
His main policy aim seems to be no more student accommodation,
No it isn't, that's not one of his pledges at all, although part of being a politician in such a vibrant city may require a review of many activities such as an increase of such accommodation.

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« Reply #56 on: March 9, 2016, 09:03:03 am »
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« Reply #57 on: March 9, 2016, 09:03:56 am »
Had dealings a few years back with richard kemp  over the proposed demolition of my 80 year old mother in laws house , we tried to make representation at a council meeting ...he wouldn't allow it and only a labour guy called Frank prendergast ( was a leader or mayor once I think ) overheard us arguing with kemp over it , comes over and remonstrates with kemp over allowing us our say . we were allowed in to address the committee and the decision was overturned much to his annoyance

Frank's a decent bloke.  I've dealt with him before.  But then I am mates with his girlfriend lol

I will probably vote for the Green candidate.  Fact is the Greens are Liverpool's only hope of holding Labour to account in Liverpool, and likely Merseyside as a whole.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #58 on: March 9, 2016, 09:11:38 am »
No idea how "No cuts. No Austerity" will work when Whitehall control our budgets. And if we do run a deficit, someone external will do the cuts for us and they won't care how they do it.

Indeed.  The only way you do this is to set an "illegal" budget, which just causes chaos. 

One of the routes I considered to be a (almost) realistic alternative was hyper-austerity, where you you go to the absolute extreme and start shutting down every library, museums; restricting street light operation etc. 

Not permanently or completely, and of course critical front line services are maintained as usual, or at least as best you can.  Just an absurd gesture to make a political point to the government that it can't go on like this. 
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« Reply #59 on: March 9, 2016, 09:20:39 am »
His main policy aim seems to be no more student accommodation, which is fair enough, but hardly the most pressing issue on the Major's desk.

It's more pressing than you think.  As a previous article alluded to, students don't pay council tax.  The council gets a subsidy of £9m from the government to cover this, but that is being stopped in 2020. 

On top of that, as I see it, the city has an uphill battle to retain. students.  They stick around for a few years, but once they realise it is very hard to break out of the low rung jobs' market and crack the upper, more professional tier, the more ambitious ones bog off.

Plus, Pinnacle, the company which was building student blocks on London Road and Shaw Street seems to be in trouble.  I've not read any news about it but work on both has ground to a halt. 

If anybody knows different I'm quite happy to be corrected.  But to my mind, as things stand the student market in Liverpool is a ticking time bomb and the arse could literally fall out if it at any time.  This "put all your eggs in one basket" approach could prove disastrous.
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« Reply #60 on: March 9, 2016, 10:48:42 am »
No it isn't, that's not one of his pledges at all, although part of being a politician in such a vibrant city may require a review of many activities such as an increase of such accommodation.

Look at his Facebook page, it's the only thing he talks about with any actual relevance to the job.

His "pledges" are:

"No Cuts, no Austerity" which as discussed is impossible and beyond the remit of the Mayor.

Donating his Mayoral salary to the homeless, which is nice but hardly the solution to the issue he claims it is.

Not accepting donations. He wants to "take money out of politics" which is meaningless and again far beyond his remit.

A local currency. Which is not something that would need Mayoral approval anyway.

So all of his "pledges" are irrelevant to the job of Mayor.
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« Reply #61 on: March 9, 2016, 10:49:27 am »
It's more pressing than you think.  As a previous article alluded to, students don't pay council tax.  The council gets a subsidy of £9m from the government to cover this, but that is being stopped in 2020. 

It's an issue, but no, it's not the most important thing on the table.
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #62 on: March 9, 2016, 11:59:15 am »
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These things might be outside the current thinking, but if  more MPs, Mayors and Elected bodies took these stances then maybe they wouldn't be in the future.

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« Reply #63 on: March 9, 2016, 12:49:41 pm »
RAWK - the only place where someone trying to be decent gets slagged off for it.

These things might be outside the current thinking, but if  more MPs, Mayors and Elected bodies took these stances then maybe they wouldn't be in the future.

Not even trying is much, much, much worse than trying and failing.

If you are going to run for office it is fundamentally dishonest to base your entire campaign on things that office has no authority over.

Knox also claims he is "Going to make Liverpool great again" with no explanation of how or in what way. If you have the same platform as Donald Trump then you need to be prepared to defend it.
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« Reply #64 on: March 9, 2016, 02:22:22 pm »
It's an issue, but no, it's not the most important thing on the table.

I never said it was the most important thing on the table.  I said the issue was more pressing than you think. ;)
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« Reply #65 on: March 9, 2016, 02:24:21 pm »
I never said it was the most important thing on the table.  I said the issue was more pressing than you think. ;)

But I said I thought it was an issue, just not the most pressing one on the Mayor's desk!
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« Reply #66 on: March 9, 2016, 02:24:52 pm »
Here's something that should clarify just exactly what the Mayor's responsibilities are.  It includes budget setting.

http://liverpool.gov.uk/mayor/
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« Reply #67 on: March 9, 2016, 02:27:17 pm »
But I said I thought it was an issue, just not the most pressing one on the Mayor's desk!

And I said it was more pressing than you think!

Glad that's cleared up!  ;D
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« Reply #68 on: March 9, 2016, 02:36:05 pm »
Here's something that should clarify just exactly what the Mayor's responsibilities are.  It includes budget setting.

http://liverpool.gov.uk/mayor/

I'm sure in practice Anderson sets the budget as leader of the Council Labour group, it's not one of the Mayor's duties though, and the budget has to be approved by council vote. A rival Mayor would not have power to set a budget over the wishes of the council.
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« Reply #69 on: March 9, 2016, 03:52:58 pm »
The mayor is elected by the residents of Liverpool for a four-year period and is responsible for executive functions of Liverpool City Council and for the day-to-day running of the organisation. They are charged with leading the city, building investor confidence, and directing new resources to economic priorities. The mayor does not have responsibility for setting the Council budget or formulating policy framework plans as this remains with the city council. The mayor must appoint a cabinet of two or more councillors (also called the "Executive") who do not have to be from the same political party.[4][5][6][7] The mayor decides on the size of the cabinet and to what extent executive functions may be delegated. The mayor also benefits from so called 'soft powers' conferred on them by being directly elected, which enables them to influence, persuade and co-ordinate on a wider scale.[8]

The Mayor of Liverpool is entitled to sit on the proposed 'Cabinet of Mayors', along with the other directly elected mayors in England and Wales. Such a position allows a direct route to the Prime Minister and other senior ministers. Cabinet meetings will be held at least twice a year offering the opportunity to discuss local issues with decision-makers in Whitehall.[9]


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« Reply #70 on: March 9, 2016, 03:57:54 pm »
The mayor is elected by the residents of Liverpool for a four-year period and is responsible for executive functions of Liverpool City Council and for the day-to-day running of the organisation. They are charged with leading the city, building investor confidence, and directing new resources to economic priorities. The mayor does not have responsibility for setting the Council budget or formulating policy framework plans as this remains with the city council. The mayor must appoint a cabinet of two or more councillors (also called the "Executive") who do not have to be from the same political party.[4][5][6][7] The mayor decides on the size of the cabinet and to what extent executive functions may be delegated. The mayor also benefits from so called 'soft powers' conferred on them by being directly elected, which enables them to influence, persuade and co-ordinate on a wider scale.[8]

The Mayor of Liverpool is entitled to sit on the proposed 'Cabinet of Mayors', along with the other directly elected mayors in England and Wales. Such a position allows a direct route to the Prime Minister and other senior ministers. Cabinet meetings will be held at least twice a year offering the opportunity to discuss local issues with decision-makers in Whitehall.[9]


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Yes, thanks for that. All the references on that section go to dead links, so it's hard to verify any of it, but probably accurate.

(You do realise what that says about the budget, right?)
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« Reply #71 on: March 10, 2016, 08:51:55 am »

(You do realise what that says about the budget, right?)

That it's set out by a bunch of incompetent cretins?  I'm pretty sure that's been the case for the last sixty odd years.  ;D
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« Reply #72 on: March 10, 2016, 08:56:15 am »
That it's set out by a bunch of incompetent cretins?  I'm pretty sure that's been the case for the last sixty odd years.  ;D

The budget is open to public inspection. If you have any particular ideas where it's going wrong you can make a suggestion. There is only so far you can split a vanishing pot though and with less than half the settlement of a decade ago there's no way to keep everyone happy.
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« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2016, 06:48:06 pm »
I've always been under the impression that the council rarely listens to the people.  Politicians seem to be convinced that they know best.  Just my opinion of course.
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« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2016, 09:43:18 pm »
I've always been under the impression that the council rarely listens to the people.  Politicians seem to be convinced that they know best.  Just my opinion of course.

But what precisely would you change about the council budget?
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #75 on: March 12, 2016, 12:11:27 pm »
But what precisely would you change about the council budget?

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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #76 on: March 12, 2016, 12:18:56 pm »
A Star Wars theme Park in Allerton

With a good Indian and a decent ale house on site? ;D
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #77 on: March 12, 2016, 01:05:54 pm »
A Star Wars theme Park in Allerton

Andy for Mayor!
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #78 on: March 12, 2016, 01:10:51 pm »
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Re: Liverpool Mayor
« Reply #79 on: March 12, 2016, 01:11:12 pm »
With a good Indian and a decent ale house on site? ;D

Be rude not to! ;)
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