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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #200 on: May 16, 2010, 03:35:01 pm »
That link won't open for me, Tsar Kastik

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #201 on: May 16, 2010, 04:00:08 pm »
Try this one TdN, that 1st. one opened ok for me, but I have been having probs putting other links up.


http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #202 on: May 16, 2010, 04:11:28 pm »
That one just takes you to a search engine mate.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #203 on: May 17, 2010, 12:45:29 am »
That one just takes you to a search engine mate.

Did you try putting 339.1 in the 'any text' box?....sorry about the late comeback BTW.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #204 on: May 17, 2010, 12:49:36 am »
Did you try putting 339.1 in the 'any text' box?....sorry about the late comeback BTW.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #205 on: May 18, 2010, 09:22:12 pm »
A few from the above link, all from 1895 in the Great Homer St. area....

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #206 on: May 18, 2010, 09:43:11 pm »
A few from the above link, all from 1895 in the Great Homer St. area....

Some of these photo's are just so poignant, and the poverty just gets to me.
It looks like a pawnbrokers sign just above and behind the blind man but I can't quite make out the square sign, something like 'The Liverpool **** Silver** Co"?
And that unknown couple, I wonder what a life that guy had had and how he ended up. The story in his eyes.
And while it looks like another age, the kids in those photo's would be the same age as my Grandparents were then.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #207 on: May 18, 2010, 10:16:49 pm »
I know just what you mean mate. The 'consolation' is they probably didn't see themselves as that unfortunate, in fact their circumstances may well  have been an improvement on their own parents and g.parents.
The women in a lot of these photos are reckoned to be the original 'Mary Ellens'  who started Paddy's market.

A few more.....



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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #208 on: May 19, 2010, 01:04:00 am »
Try this one TdN, that 1st. one opened ok for me, but I have been having probs putting other links up.


http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #209 on: May 20, 2010, 11:48:33 pm »
makes me long for the old days all these old fotos

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #210 on: May 21, 2010, 03:15:34 pm »
who used to go to Probe in the 70s and 80s?


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #211 on: May 21, 2010, 04:36:57 pm »
who used to go to Probe in the 70s and 80s?



Knew a lad who used to work there, Barry i think his name was
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #212 on: May 23, 2010, 08:35:42 am »
Knew a lad who used to work there, Barry i think his name was

A certain Pete Burns worked there too.   

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« Reply #213 on: May 23, 2010, 08:55:11 am »
A certain Pete Burns worked there too.   

that's right Barry spoke about him a few times, am i right in thinking it was middle eighties?
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #214 on: May 23, 2010, 09:00:09 am »
^ about 82 I think Vic, scary boy George protoype with a dead deep voice, puy ya right off your Vinyl browsing :D

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« Reply #215 on: May 23, 2010, 10:07:04 am »
^ about 82 I think Vic, scary boy George protoype with a dead deep voice, puy ya right off your Vinyl browsing :D

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #216 on: May 23, 2010, 01:19:07 pm »
a pre Forum Lime St....from Ged Fagan on the Yo site

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8697/elliotsttwdslimestclive.jpg
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #217 on: May 23, 2010, 01:56:24 pm »

An overcoat for 30 bob....

I can't remember any of the individual buildings around there, I just remember all the neons as in this shot from 61..


Here's one of Deltic at Limestreet 1955, resplendent in blue and silver and then, reputedly, the most powerful diesel in the world.

My Dad took me to see this sometime in the late 50's, possibly 59..

Don't know if this link has been posted... http://liverpooldays.com/photo/index.php

From here you can get to http://liverpooldays.com/photo/thumbnails.php?album=39 with more shots of the docks.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #218 on: May 24, 2010, 10:56:12 am »
That colour shot has to be one of my all time favourites, I had it as my wallpaper for long enough. The train looks like one of those that Superman used to have to stop, should have been called the Juggernaut.
The only shop I can remember from that Lime st. shot is Blackler's on the right and even that was modified after the wartime bombing damage. A similar shot after the Forum was built;

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #219 on: May 25, 2010, 07:58:59 pm »


I can't remember any of the individual buildings around there, I just remember all the neons as in this shot from 61..




Absolutely love this picture. Does anyone know anything about the buildings in it? Is the 'Empress' a Chinese restaurant?

Gulleysucker has it as taken in 1961 but a quick check on Google shows the oldest established Chinese restaurant in Liverpool being the Yuen Ben in about 1967. I'm wondering if he has his dates mixed up.
 What's the building with the big clock on it? Any info would be fantastic.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #220 on: May 25, 2010, 09:31:31 pm »
Absolutely love this picture. Does anyone know anything about the buildings in it? Is the 'Empress' a Chinese restaurant?

Gulleysucker has it as taken in 1961 but a quick check on Google shows the oldest established Chinese restaurant in Liverpool being the Yuen Ben in about 1967. I'm wondering if he has his dates mixed up.
 What's the building with the big clock on it? Any info would be fantastic.

There were loads of Chinese cafes in town in the 60s and before, my granddad's favourite (and he died in the late 50s) was what became the Far East on Berry street

I think the Yuet Ben is the oldest without a name change / change of owner.

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« Reply #221 on: May 25, 2010, 10:08:11 pm »

I've forgotten what page it came from but it's defo 61 that. There's at least two bubble cars in the picture, all the rage in the late 50's and very early 60's. Besides, all this was sadly swept away in 1964.

Yes, the bit about the Chinese restaurants is confusing but also misleading. While 'Yuet Ben' was or claims to have been the first 'Peking' restaurant to open in 68, there were plenty of others well before that catering for other more generalised cuisines.

Found this here about the Empress.

Got to the bit about "REYNOLDS WAXWORKS 12 Lime Street, Liverpool", which is what the building originally was....

"The ground floor was used as a tea room, which became the Empress Chinese Restaurant in the 1950s. The second floor billiard hall reopened as the Marionette Ballroom about 1945, with the first floor continuing as a billiard hall.  Everything closed in 1964 when the building was demolished along with the surrounding property for the Ravenscroft Scheme (St John's Centre)."

I was told a story along time ago which I've never had confirmed, but it was said that over 100 pubs got demolished in the streets where St Johns precinct now is.
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« Reply #222 on: May 25, 2010, 10:19:41 pm »
You're right Kav, there were plenty of Chinese eating houses in the early 60's and no doubt earlier. Remember heavin up my first ever sweet and sour on the steps of the Silver Phoenix at the bottom of Hardman St.
The building with the clock is the Imperial Hotel and next to it is the Washington Hotel (with the Martell sign), both of which you could get a pint in.

Here's a shot of a street in 1963 I'd defy anyone to recognise, which just happens to have a chinese restaurant in it.
The photo is from Colin Wilkinson's site, found here....http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/




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« Reply #223 on: May 26, 2010, 12:07:30 am »


Here's a shot of a street in 1963 I'd defy anyone to recognise, which just happens to have a chinese restaurant in it.
The photo is from Colin Wilkinson's site, found here....http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/






wow houghton street, before the precinct, unless you'd been to the Golden Phoenix before it moved to Hanover street you'd never know

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« Reply #224 on: May 26, 2010, 03:32:02 pm »
Another view from 1963, from Clayton Sq.

Owen Owen on one corner of Houghton St. and Beaverbrook's on the other.

http://www.20thcenturyimages.co.uk/trolleyed/3/18/101/index.htm
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #225 on: May 26, 2010, 10:14:13 pm »
An overcoat for 30 bob....

I can't remember any of the individual buildings around there, I just remember all the neons as in this shot from 61..


Here's one of Deltic at Limestreet 1955, resplendent in blue and silver and then, reputedly, the most powerful diesel in the world.

My Dad took me to see this sometime in the late 50's, possibly 59..

Don't know if this link has been posted... http://liverpooldays.com/photo/index.php

From here you can get to http://liverpooldays.com/photo/thumbnails.php?album=39 with more shots of the docks.


that colour photo is great but i`m still trying to get my bearings, are all those buildings with the neon signs on them situated where the car park for st johns market is now?
and re those deltic trains, i`m sure they used to be built on the lancs at english electric.

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« Reply #226 on: May 26, 2010, 10:50:33 pm »
that colour photo is great but i`m still trying to get my bearings, are all those buildings with the neon signs on them situated where the car park for st johns market is now?
and re those deltic trains, i`m sure they used to be built on the lancs at english electric.

If I'm not mistaken the old Forum cinema is just left of centre, meaning Lime St Station would be left of shot and you're looking down Lime Street and Renshaw St from st Georges Place.

Could be totally wrong though
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« Reply #227 on: May 26, 2010, 11:48:33 pm »
If I'm not mistaken the old Forum cinema is just left of centre, meaning Lime St Station would be left of shot and you're looking down Lime Street and Renshaw St from st Georges Place.

Could be totally wrong though

No, pretty much spot on......I think...(it's been a long time)

It's not exact, can't quite do it on street view in the precise position, but it's from just a little bit further back than here looking down.

I think the cinema in the distance gives us a clue.




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« Reply #228 on: May 27, 2010, 11:05:53 am »
Similar  to Gulley's modern view. The Forum and St. Luke's (bombed-out church) can be seen in both.



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« Reply #229 on: May 27, 2010, 12:13:50 pm »
Similar  to Gulley's modern view. The Forum and St. Luke's (bombed-out church) can be seen in both.

Mid 30's?
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« Reply #230 on: May 27, 2010, 12:20:22 pm »
Mid 30's?

I reckon mid to late 20's by the jalopy parade.

Interesting the way that the 'Sandemans' sign on the Washington Hotel changed into the 'Martell' sign in later years.

That neon for Double Diamond (works wonders! Remember the TV ad?) didn't that have a glass that got filled, or was it a Babycham neon I'm getting confused with?
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« Reply #231 on: May 27, 2010, 12:38:33 pm »
I reckon mid to late 20's by the jalopy parade.

Interesting the way that the 'Sandemans' sign on the Washington Hotel changed into the 'Martell' sign in later years.

That neon for Double Diamond (works wonders! Remember the TV ad?) didn't that have a glass that got filled, or was it a Babycham neon I'm getting confused with?

I'm not too sure on the neons, but I think I can make out the word 'Forum' on the cinema. Now, the building itself was built well before, but was aquired by the ABC in 1930 and turned into the picture house. My question is - Was the building names the Forum before it was a cinema?

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« Reply #232 on: May 27, 2010, 12:40:45 pm »
Honourable draw, it's dated 1930. Sorry about that, I usually put a date if I can.
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« Reply #233 on: May 27, 2010, 01:00:39 pm »
.......Now, the building itself was built well before, but was aquired by the ABC in 1930 and turned into the picture house. My question is - Was the building names the Forum before it was a cinema?

Can't find anything other than it used to have a parade of shops. Sounds like a speculative early attempt at a shopping arcade that floundered and then became the Cinema.
But look at this from inside the Forum.....A Liver Bird. source



I'm wondering what it signifies as it looks like a NY Skyscraper on the right, but I don't know what the left hand building is.
Is it meant to be linking the US and Films with the UK, the bridge underneath being a metaphor?
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« Reply #234 on: May 27, 2010, 02:19:53 pm »
I'm not too sure on the neons, but I think I can make out the word 'Forum' on the cinema. Now, the building itself was built well before, but was aquired by the ABC in 1930 and turned into the picture house. My question is - Was the building names the Forum before it was a cinema?

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The pic posted on #216 is what was on the site the Forum now occupies and has been dated c1929. If you zoom in to the shop front the notice states that the reason for the sale is that the building is 'coming down before xmas'
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« Reply #235 on: May 27, 2010, 02:48:36 pm »
Love this thread. Could we have one just for Anfield ? I love seeing old pics of the ground, and videos etc. Anfield -history in pictures would be fascinating.
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« Reply #236 on: May 27, 2010, 05:02:05 pm »
Can't find anything other than it used to have a parade of shops. Sounds like a speculative early attempt at a shopping arcade that floundered and then became the Cinema.
But look at this from inside the Forum.....A Liver Bird. source

I'm wondering what it signifies as it looks like a NY Skyscraper on the right, but I don't know what the left hand building is.
Is it meant to be linking the US and Films with the UK, the bridge underneath being a metaphor?

Don't know if its that deep as the building used to accomodate the American Bar as well as the shops you mentioned. That pic is great though.


Some decent pics etc on this site - http://www.petersheils.com/index.htm

Including this pic



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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #237 on: May 27, 2010, 06:04:15 pm »
Don't know if its that deep as the building used to accomodate the American Bar as well as the shops you mentioned. That pic is great though.
Oops, your probably right, I'd forgotten the American Bar so probably to do with that I guess.
I'm wondering now if that was the place my late Dad mentioned as going in when he was on leave in about 43/44. I remember him saying he'd gone in for a beer in 'The American Bar' and a wild west fight broke out between the Yanks and assorted other nationalities. My Dad legged out very early when the guy next to him got a glass pushed in his face for no apparent reason. My Dad hung around outside to see the show, apparently the US MP's ,or Snowdrops as they were known due to their white helmets, turned up with baseball bats and were just pulling guys out one by one and whacking them and laying them out in the street. No questions and no quarter given.

*** edit. I think it might have been this place instead. Or does anyone know if the Bar in the Forum remained open when it was a cinema and was also known as 'The American Bar'?

Talking about fires, here's one I remember as a kid, really tragic as well.



Hendersons fire in 1960.

As a child you can be fascinated by this sort of horror, especially when you are too young to understand them properly, but I seem to remember this being really awful and occupying the front pages of the Echo for many nights afterwards.
Some of the poor souls who perished were trapped behind the metal bars on the upper windows yet in full view of the attempted rescuers and their inability to cut through in time to rescue them. As a child, it actually scared me a bit as we had been in the shop just a few days before. For a while after, if I was in town with my Mum or Dad and going upstairs in any of the big shops I was always a bit apprehensive.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #238 on: May 27, 2010, 06:33:21 pm »
A couple more of St Georges/Lime St circa mid 60's before and after the demolition



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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #239 on: May 27, 2010, 07:44:36 pm »
Some 'day after' video footage of Henderson's fire here Gulley;


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