Author Topic: Betting Strategies (Read 9882 times)

xRedmanLFCx · « **Reply #40 on:** November 30, 2016, 06:22:08 pm »

Quote from: redk84 on November 30, 2016, 11:22:50 am

ha, no doubt!
can get stung on both ends I guess....the best way is probably in the middle?

Maybe ill try working up towards 300-400 mark, taking out a couple ton then going again. Would take longer but wouldn't be as painful...lets see how that goes with this current one im on

When trying to turn 25 into 1000 or any other runs like that, it is essentially a huge accumulator. Once you have doubled your money, the odds come against you - the law of probability says you are likely to lose the next bet if you haven't already. It's like tossing a coin - you expect heads and tails to come up the same amount of time is you flip it long enough. So over 5 flips, you might get 3 heads and 2 tails, or even 4 heads and 1 tail. But over 5000 flips, you expect it will be close to 250 heads and 250 tails. This is based on odds of evens - half the time you expect to win, half the time you expect to lose. The same works for any other odds. 1/9 - you expect to win 9 out of 10 times. That means that once you have doubled your money by accumulating 1/9 shots (if you get that far), probability suggests you will lose the next bet. Of course it doesn't always work like that, and that's why accumulators win from time to time, but they lose as much as they win, and when you take the bookies margin into account (they shave a bit off the odds), you are likely to lose in the long run.

For my own strategy, I try to pick bets I feel are under valued or over valued. Tonight for instance, I reckon there is about a 60% chance Arsenal will win in 90 mins. They are priced at just under evens, giving them only a 52% chance or so. So I will back Arsenal as I feel there is an 8% margin there to take (60% - 52%). Similarly, I feel there is around a 60% chance Man Utd will win in 90 mins, yet the odds on them to win are 2/5 - suggesting a 71% chance. I will lay Man Utd, as I feel there is an 11% margin. Of course I could lose both bets, but overtime, I expect I will earn a return. It is all subjective really, as it depends on my pricing of the likelihood of a team winning/not winning, which in theory, is much less likely to be accurate than the bookies - they're the pro's.

aggerdid · « **Reply #41 on:** December 1, 2016, 06:52:55 pm »

When people say specialisation is the key to making a profit. I'd say thats true if you specialise on a certain detail such as tennis comebacks/corner handicaps but surely its more likely to find a good value bet if you trawl through every sport?

ohweloveyerbaldyhead · « **Reply #42 on:** December 2, 2016, 12:49:11 am »

Quote from: aggerdid on December 1, 2016, 06:52:55 pm

When people say specialisation is the key to making a profit. I'd say thats true if you specialise on a certain detail such as tennis comebacks/corner handicaps but surely its more likely to find a good value bet if you trawl through every sport?

But how could you have any concept of what constitutes a value bet by trawling through every sport? The only way to find true value is to find an edge on the market. The only way to find an edge is to have more knowledge/information available and then interpret that in a way that others aren't/can't. There's no way you could find that edge whilst looking at multiple sports. Even taking racing for an example, any pro punter will specialise within racing, nobody could bet on all aspects of racing and be as profitable as they could be if they specialised. There's simply too many variables and that's just one sport. Multiply that by the variables in football, cricket, tennis etc etc and you've no chance of finding true value without that narrow focus on one particular area.

Fiasco · « **Reply #43 on:** December 2, 2016, 03:05:29 am »

Quote from: aggerdid on December 1, 2016, 06:52:55 pm

When people say specialisation is the key to making a profit. I'd say thats true if you specialise on a certain detail such as tennis comebacks/corner handicaps but surely its more likely to find a good value bet if you trawl through every sport?

I had a good run on the cricket a while back. I figured out that the bookies were underestimating the run markets, particularly in the one day games and the T20 games. For example, you'd often see the over/under run market start at say 165. The T20 games are played for entertainment and they want runs. They prepare flat pitches, they bring the boundaries in and the bats they use are huge. When you've got some really good players playing and in the conditions mentioned then more often than not its a run fest.

The odds of a team hitting 180 would sometimes be three to one, when in my own opinion I would have the over/under at 180 in itself. So, in my eyes, I was getting 3-1 for a 10/11 shot. I never got massively rich on it but I had a great run, especially so in the last World Cup. I had South Africa tipped on here at around 14/1 to hit 400 and they did. It wasn't a genius pick, but on those run friendly Australian pitches with fast outfields and the likes of De Villiers playing it was worth a punt.

I'm shit at everything else like

Clayton Bigsby · « **Reply #44 on:** December 2, 2016, 01:32:59 pm »

Quote from: ohweloveyerbaldyhead on December 2, 2016, 12:49:11 am

But how could you have any concept of what constitutes a value bet by trawling through every sport? The only way to find true value is to find an edge on the market. The only way to find an edge is to have more knowledge/information available and then interpret that in a way that others aren't/can't. There's no way you could find that edge whilst looking at multiple sports. Even taking racing for an example, any pro punter will specialise within racing, nobody could bet on all aspects of racing and be as profitable as they could be if they specialised. There's simply too many variables and that's just one sport. Multiply that by the variables in football, cricket, tennis etc etc and you've no chance of finding true value without that narrow focus on one particular area.

Bingo.

That's why I stick to gg. I think I've found value on my odds against strategy and will continue until i strike out

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #45 on:** December 4, 2016, 10:31:33 am »

Quote from: aggerdid on December 1, 2016, 06:52:55 pm

When people say specialisation is the key to making a profit. I'd say thats true if you specialise on a certain detail such as tennis comebacks/corner handicaps but surely its more likely to find a good value bet if you trawl through every sport?

i wouldnt feel comfortable betting on every sport as my overall knowledge would need to be upped to close to expert i feel.
not enough time to follow every sport and i get very tired when im at it all day every day.
football and horse racing for me.

if i have good runs i take a few days/week off
same goes for bad runs.

find something else to do..then come back with a clear focuses head.

btw if you win off online bookies give a few quid back in mug bets......preserves your account.

love sticking on the odd 1 quid correct score multiples...they never come in but if one did id be able to retire lol

Rysoph76 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 5, 2016, 10:40:15 am »

I generally only use Betfair these days and I tend to start each month with a £100 bank and my aim is to double it.

I love all sports but when it comes to betting, I generally stick to the sports I know well so generally stick with football and darts.

For football, I tend to lay mostly, usually teams at odds of a maximum of about 5.0.

Sometimes i'll stick with the bet for the whole game but generally lay off where I can. Had a result Saturday. Layed Chelsea at 3.7 for a total liability of about £90. Layed off shortly before De Bruyne missed the sitter to go 2 nil up and stood to win £25 no matter what the final result was so I could just watch the match knowing i'd made a bit of beer money regardless.

Can be tricky when you have kids though as timing is everything and sometimes can't get online to lay off in time. Same problem if watching on sky go or bt online cos you are about 45 seconds behind the actual game!

james791 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 5, 2016, 11:40:05 am »

Had a bit of luck this weekend with goal and corner combos in the last 10 mins of the game.

Generally, you'll get odds over evens for there to be at least one more goal, usually the same for at least 2 more corners. works well for teams who are losing at home but have tonnes of poession/shots/corners etc.

The closer you get to full time, the better the odds. If you get on a 87 mins or so, a double of 57/1 is possible. For the best chance of this to come in you need to look at how much injury time is expected, so those games where there's 5 mins+ are brilliant for this.

Admittedly they don't come in very often, and I only put pence on, but if you are lucky enough for 2 or 3 of these to come in over the weekend, then ityou can see a nice little profit even with all the ones you lose on.

redk84 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 5, 2016, 11:57:27 am »

Quote from: xRedmanLFCx on November 30, 2016, 06:22:08 pm

When trying to turn 25 into 1000 or any other runs like that, it is essentially a huge accumulator. Once you have doubled your money, the odds come against you - the law of probability says you are likely to lose the next bet if you haven't already. It's like tossing a coin - you expect heads and tails to come up the same amount of time is you flip it long enough. So over 5 flips, you might get 3 heads and 2 tails, or even 4 heads and 1 tail. But over 5000 flips, you expect it will be close to 250 heads and 250 tails. This is based on odds of evens - half the time you expect to win, half the time you expect to lose. The same works for any other odds. 1/9 - you expect to win 9 out of 10 times. That means that once you have doubled your money by accumulating 1/9 shots (if you get that far), probability suggests you will lose the next bet. Of course it doesn't always work like that, and that's why accumulators win from time to time, but they lose as much as they win, and when you take the bookies margin into account (they shave a bit off the odds), you are likely to lose in the long run.

For my own strategy, I try to pick bets I feel are under valued or over valued. Tonight for instance, I reckon there is about a 60% chance Arsenal will win in 90 mins. They are priced at just under evens, giving them only a 52% chance or so. So I will back Arsenal as I feel there is an 8% margin there to take (60% - 52%). Similarly, I feel there is around a 60% chance Man Utd will win in 90 mins, yet the odds on them to win are 2/5 - suggesting a 71% chance. I will lay Man Utd, as I feel there is an 11% margin. Of course I could lose both bets, but overtime, I expect I will earn a return. It is all subjective really, as it depends on my pricing of the likelihood of a team winning/not winning, which in theory, is much less likely to be accurate than the bookies - they're the pro's.

Cheers mate, that's genuinely good food for thought

Smudge · « **Reply #49 on:** December 5, 2016, 02:20:24 pm »

Something which I only started on Friday.

A big priced over 2.5 goals acca and a cover acca of around evens on over 1.5. £2.50 on each, stand to win a good few hundred if the over 2.5 comes in and obviously money back on the 1.5.

Still playing with the same £5 since friday. Which is a win in my book!

Rusty · « **Reply #50 on:** December 23, 2016, 07:43:11 am »

Quote from: xRedmanLFCx on November 30, 2016, 06:22:08 pm

When trying to turn 25 into 1000 or any other runs like that, it is essentially a huge accumulator. Once you have doubled your money, the odds come against you - the law of probability says you are likely to lose the next bet if you haven't already. It's like tossing a coin - you expect heads and tails to come up the same amount of time is you flip it long enough. So over 5 flips, you might get 3 heads and 2 tails, or even 4 heads and 1 tail. But over 5000 flips, you expect it will be close to 250 heads and 250 tails. This is based on odds of evens - half the time you expect to win, half the time you expect to lose. The same works for any other odds. 1/9 - you expect to win 9 out of 10 times. That means that once you have doubled your money by accumulating 1/9 shots (if you get that far), probability suggests you will lose the next bet. Of course it doesn't always work like that, and that's why accumulators win from time to time, but they lose as much as they win, and when you take the bookies margin into account (they shave a bit off the odds), you are likely to lose in the long run.

No, no, no.

Sorry to make a point of highlighting your post but the bolded bit is just plain wrong when you are talking about independent events. If you toss a coin 9 times and it comes up tails 9 times, the odds of heads coming up on the 10th spin are still 50%. It's the same with your accumulators - before you start, the odds are as you correctly point out against you picking 10 50/50 legs in a row. But - if you have won 9 out of 10 legs then the odds of winning the 10th don't change to "go against you", they are exactly the same as if you hadn't won any legs already.

The last part is the key bit - the bookies margin is what makes it profitable for them in the long run.

aggerdid · « **Reply #51 on:** December 27, 2016, 01:00:44 am »

Theres a reason only bet365 offer an asian corner handicap market. On prem games i get about 80% of these right. We take into account factors such as home statsvs away stats (provided by http://www.simplesoccerstats.com/consoles/corners.php), lineups and theirwingers likeliness to win corners or defenders to recover potential corners and put the ball out for throw ins, team attacking style (our wide players like mane and firmino tend to play inside more often than a traditional british style managed would"get the ball out wide and get a ball in" which leads to corners), expected team situation (e.g. today i thought man u would score early and so would have little motivation togain corners). Fullbacks tendancy to overlap, amount of time a team has possession(another feature i look for is passing combinations and average position between the centre backs as that tends to mean more time in possession in non harmful areas regarding corners and also wastes time which consequently provides less time for more attacks(this is mainly used for under totals on the total corner line). The change in managerial styles is a good thing to look out for like swansea have picked up loads of corners since bob bradley went there loosely due to his more traditional football style as i mentioned earlier. Fourfourtwo statszone free on the ipad/iphone is great for this stats or alternatively me or mymate watching the games. Today i had bournemouth 1.5, sunderland 5, palace 0.0, burnley -0.5, swansea/west ham noted down. Didnt do bournemouth as costas absense made me think chelsea could struggle to score and the game could hav ebeen 0-0 for a good while but made a nice profit on the others even tho palace surprised me(will have to keep an eye on palace as they have a good squad to win corners with players like zaha/puncheon/townsend but seemed content to win on the 1-0 lead with allardyce today, not to mention they play with 4 centre backs and have little overlap from kelly/delaney)

kesey · « **Reply #52 on:** December 27, 2016, 01:43:15 am »

Quote from: RobbieRedman on November 29, 2016, 03:33:40 pm

have you seen the money that goes into these crack machines? unbelievable amounts, when these fuckers win they give it large too like they had some say in the matter, and yet when they lose they get mad like the machine cheated them haha

Hate them.

Although if Iam coming home from the pub I will throw in my change.

Some beaut on Smithdown think he's the bees knees but he is a tit. Always boasting about shagging birds blah blah abd he sticks lots of money in these machines and sometimes wins hundreds but mostly loses . Ive seen him go weird when ive been inpicking up coupons. Ive seen him blame people for talking or looking in his direction.

He is a twat. I dont like him. There ya go !

Phil M · « **Reply #53 on:** January 6, 2017, 11:17:20 am »

Quote from: ohweloveyerbaldyhead on November 28, 2016, 09:57:59 pm

Dundalk is comfortably my most profitable track and I know why. Only AW track in Ireland, all the form is there to see and I absolutely love it. Add to that most bookies are probably more worried about correctly pricing the big Saturday meetings correctly and you're more likely to find incorrect prices a lot more often.

Fancy anything this evening mate?

RobbieRedman · « **Reply #54 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:28:21 pm »

Quote from: kesey on December 27, 2016, 01:43:15 am

Hate them.

Although if Iam coming home from the pub I will throw in my change.

Some beaut on Smithdown think he's the bees knees but he is a tit. Always boasting about shagging birds blah blah abd he sticks lots of money in these machines and sometimes wins hundreds but mostly loses . Ive seen him go weird when ive been inpicking up coupons. Ive seen him blame people for talking or looking in his direction.

He is a twat. I dont like him. There ya go !

haha!

My favourite and definately the most popular with the roulette guys is the smash of the spin button and the walk away, usually around 4-8 yards. You can hear the ball going round, the walk away suggests most probably this is their last chance and by not looking may gave them a change of luck. What it also presents is an opportunity to casually walk out the shop if the bet fails, however if it wins it means they can also casually walk back and even hint in their body language that the walk away was worth it and it made the difference. Sometimes they nod the head in appreciation of this fantasy skill.

Ive seen a few of the shop staff take a mouthfull but haven't seen any other punters take the blame like what you described though ha, must be a bellend!

aggerdid · « **Reply #55 on:** February 8, 2017, 06:59:06 pm »

Right so i'm doing arbitrage bets. How do I avoid getting banned other than betting round figures?

liversaint · « **Reply #56 on:** February 8, 2017, 11:36:20 pm »

Are you laying on Betfair/Betdaq?

aggerdid · « **Reply #57 on:** February 9, 2017, 10:53:42 pm »

No. Finding obscure markets at normal bookies where the odds clash. E.g sky has a 2 outcome event at 2/5 2/1 but 365 has it as 4/7 11/8 (rough example like) i'm taking the 4/7 and the 2/1. I never do them on the same bookies so really they just look like normal bets and i'm staying under 100 per bet. Downside is the about i'm staking overall. 100 on a bet. 70 to lay it off with another bookies and doing about 4 a day adds up. Not exactly a get rich quick scheme but its paying for petrol and some of the big shop with no hassle of betting nerves. Sit down and read the rules though for each bookies before you do any like the other night i found one about 4% marathon bet pay their ice hockey bets out as a draw no bet. Paddy etc pay it as vegas rules with overtime being the decider

ohweloveyerbaldyhead · « **Reply #58 on:** February 10, 2017, 08:43:53 am »

Quote from: aggerdid on February 9, 2017, 10:53:42 pm

No. Finding obscure markets at normal bookies where the odds clash. E.g sky has a 2 outcome event at 2/5 2/1 but 365 has it as 4/7 11/8 (rough example like) i'm taking the 4/7 and the 2/1. I never do them on the same bookies so really they just look like normal bets and i'm staying under 100 per bet. Downside is the about i'm staking overall. 100 on a bet. 70 to lay it off with another bookies and doing about 4 a day adds up. Not exactly a get rich quick scheme but its paying for petrol and some of the big shop with no hassle of betting nerves. Sit down and read the rules though for each bookies before you do any like the other night i found one about 4% marathon bet pay their ice hockey bets out as a draw no bet. Paddy etc pay it as vegas rules with overtime being the decider

Decent system that mate.Playing the bookies for being too big really aren't you and pricing up too many sports.

aggerdid · « **Reply #59 on:** February 10, 2017, 08:10:27 pm »

Said this before on here i think but the difference between draw no bet odds abd the odds of a 0.0 asian handicap differ too much. Add into that the difference between a ladbrokes 0.0 asian handicap and a 365 one and thats opportunity for free money

aggerdid · « **Reply #60 on:** February 17, 2017, 12:22:50 pm »

First problem. Stan james 5/4 snooker vs 5/4 paddy. 100 on each. Gets to work email off stan james and they'd changed their price to 4/6 email though their explanation email said 4/5. So had to stick another 25 on so reduce potential losses. Need donaldson to win for no damage.

Overall i'm £120 up on my spreadsheet in 2 full weeks but 240 down on paddy which is good. 270 up on 365 tho and thats theaccount you get the most free bets from so thats a concern

aggerdid · « **Reply #61 on:** February 26, 2017, 12:39:15 pm »

On £230 now. Biggest one so far was friday night. 100 on 21/20 vs 100 on 27/20. So 35 profit

-Willo- · « **Reply #62 on:** February 26, 2017, 12:45:54 pm »

Always look for enhancement offers.

Always look for offers, for example you doing a £10 bet on the footy saturday? Is any bookie doing any offers whereby you get a £10 free bet if you stake £10, etc...

I always take advantage of these type of offers though, also doing over 1.5 goal bets. Usually 8+ folds. Much easier to land than an over 2.5 4 5 fold for example. Usually 6/1 but they always come close.

Phil M · « **Reply #63 on:** February 26, 2017, 12:57:42 pm »

Quote from: -Willo- on February 26, 2017, 12:45:54 pm

Usually 6/1 but they always come close.

Coming close is what plenty of people do with accumulators mate. The layers most profitable side of the business.

aggerdid · « **Reply #64 on:** February 26, 2017, 01:27:02 pm »

As for free bets nobody seems as generous as skybet. Open an account and they give you a tenner then £5 every 25 you stake

pathetic · « **Reply #65 on:** February 26, 2017, 07:49:29 pm »

Quote from: aggerdid on February 26, 2017, 12:39:15 pm

On £230 now. Biggest one so far was friday night. 100 on 21/20 vs 100 on 27/20. So 35 profit

hey mate can you explain what you're doing exactly as i can't seem to get the hang of it? are you betting on matches where both the outcomes are over evens?

aggerdid · « **Reply #66 on:** February 26, 2017, 08:58:18 pm »

Quote from: budew on February 26, 2017, 07:49:29 pm

hey mate can you explain what you're doing exactly as i can't seem to get the hang of it? are you betting on matches where both the outcomes are over evens?

say the odds are 1/2 the opposite would be 2/1 so you get £3 back each way with a pound on 2/1 and £2 on 1/2. Lets say a bookies has gone 9/4 instead of 2/1 you so you have 1/2 at one bookies and 9/4 at another. So you put £2 on at 1/2 giving you a potential profit of £3 then divide the 3 by the decimal equivalent of 9/4, 3.25. So 3/3.25= 0.92 so you put £2 on 1/2 £0.92 on 9/4 and either way you make 8 pence.

aggerdid · « **Reply #67 on:** February 26, 2017, 09:02:10 pm »

Example: joris de loore vs tatsuma ito. £90 on joris de loore with coral and £100 on ito with a bookies with the same tennis retirement rules. This is pivotal as some bookies define reitrements as losers whereas 365 voids all uncompleted matches.

Edit: forgot to say the odds 6/5 coral evens in others. Its in a japan challenger tennis tourny an all early hours tuesday

pathetic · « **Reply #68 on:** February 26, 2017, 09:45:39 pm »

thanks mate!

ohweloveyerbaldyhead · « **Reply #69 on:** February 27, 2017, 07:03:42 pm »

Quote from: aggerdid on February 26, 2017, 09:02:10 pm

Example: joris de loore vs tatsuma ito. £90 on joris de loore with coral and £100 on ito with a bookies with the same tennis retirement rules. This is pivotal as some bookies define reitrements as losers whereas 365 voids all uncompleted matches.

Edit: forgot to say the odds 6/5 coral evens in others. Its in a japan challenger tennis tourny an all early hours tuesday

Interesting system that mate. Have you encountered any issues with your accounts being restricted yet?

aggerdid · « **Reply #70 on:** February 27, 2017, 07:50:38 pm »

Quote from: ohweloveyerbaldyhead on February 27, 2017, 07:03:42 pm

Interesting system that mate. Have you encountered any issues with your accounts being restricted yet?

coral have restricted me last night. might just start opening bank accounts in family members names at different addresses. if i get a free holiday off it i dont give a shite how many ban me. poor by coral £5.33 down on my spreadsheet with them an all so havent exactly took them to the cleaners. 300 up on 365 300 up on sky 400 down on paddy.

aggerdid · « **Reply #71 on:** February 27, 2017, 07:51:21 pm »

if anyone wants to start it i'll send you my spreadsheet. quite handy

ohweloveyerbaldyhead · « **Reply #72 on:** February 27, 2017, 08:33:18 pm »

Quote from: aggerdid on February 27, 2017, 07:50:38 pm

coral have restricted me last night. might just start opening bank accounts in family members names at different addresses. if i get a free holiday off it i dont give a shite how many ban me. poor by coral £5.33 down on my spreadsheet with them an all so havent exactly took them to the cleaners. 300 up on 365 300 up on sky 400 down on paddy.

Yeah they'll suspect arbing I'd imagine making the profit irrelevant. Sums up the state of the bookmaking industry currently when you are restricted whilst making a loss though doesn't it.

Phil M · « **Reply #73 on:** February 27, 2017, 08:48:40 pm »

Quote from: aggerdid on February 27, 2017, 07:51:21 pm

if anyone wants to start it i'll send you my spreadsheet. quite handy

How much time are you spending trying to find these arbs mate or are you relying on a website/software to flag them up?

Also given the tiny profits for big stakes, is it taking you quite a while to build up any sort of meaningful profit?

johnybarnes · « **Reply #74 on:** February 27, 2017, 08:49:22 pm »

Betting Strategies:

Avoid Liverpool.

aggerdid · « **Reply #75 on:** February 27, 2017, 10:15:02 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on February 27, 2017, 08:48:40 pm

How much time are you spending trying to find these arbs mate or are you relying on a website/software to flag them up?

Also given the tiny profits for big stakes, is it taking you quite a while to build up any sort of meaningful profit?

well i just do 10 minutes here and there. 10 minutes at dinner. Just had a look at basketball and tennis then. Few in tennis but all below 1.5%. Just use oddschecker in the browser. Dont use the app they dont have foupons so you cant scan the prices quick enough.

College baskteball seems to be the most volatile. http://www.scoresandodds.com/casinogrid.html?sort=rot If casinos disagree on spreads the likelihood is all the british bookies wont move at the same time creating opportunity

ohweloveyerbaldyhead · « **Reply #76 on:** February 27, 2017, 11:13:21 pm »

Quote from: aggerdid on February 27, 2017, 07:51:21 pm

if anyone wants to start it i'll send you my spreadsheet. quite handy

Could you send over please mate? I might get into this after cheltenham.

Phil M · « **Reply #77 on:** February 27, 2017, 11:20:12 pm »

@ Agger

As the lads mentioned above though mate putting the guts of a ton on some random basketball game is a path to being gubbed or even suspended by the layers. You need to supplement it with some mug betting. Do a few small accums here and there that you can afford or matched bet a horse or two so you're not eating into profit.

GMac1984 · « **Reply #78 on:** March 10, 2017, 01:06:22 pm »

As above, always need to do mug bets now and again to look like a normal punter. Anyone only doing Arbs / promotions will very likely soon find their accounts restricted.

Been Match betting for few months now. Slowly getting to grips with everything and making a nice tidy profit each month.
Yet to really do the Casino / Bingo offers but some of the wins I see others gaining from these are incredible!

Phil M · « **Reply #79 on:** March 10, 2017, 01:07:58 pm »

Quote from: GMac1984 on March 10, 2017, 01:06:22 pm

Yet to really do the Casino / Bingo offers but some of the wins I see others gaining from these are incredible!

Word of advice, don't believe everything you see/read mate. It's like when you see tipsters showing screenshots of their trades/profits from Betfair etc.
Easy to manipulate and there are sites you can create such results from pretty easily.