Topic: Trump Faceached & Twattered. "Instakarma's gonna getcha....." #bannedontherun

[Not that Gareth]

Thought it might be handy to break the run up to 2020 from the trump thread as it will get buried under the avalanche of shit he does on a daily basis.

Biden has finally confirmed he is running so I think thats everyone of significance now confirmed.

The field is big but really there are only a few that have a chance:

• Biden
• Sanders
• Buttigieg
• Harris
• Warren
• O'Rourke

Probably in that order right now. Buttigieg is definitely the dark horse but it is hard to see past Bernie or Biden at this stage. While Biden is probably not attractive to the hardcore he does have broad popularity and initial polls reflect that. Still early in the game and all can change. The polls may reflect little more than name recognition.

538 had a recent podcast on the democratic primary field: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-where-the-2020-democratic-primary-field-stands-after-one-quarter/

Bernie has signed a motion calling on all democrats to rally behind whoever wins the nomination: https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-first-to-sign-pledge-to-rally-behind-whoever-wins-democratic-primary

Michigan, generally a swing state, is in play after the courts ruled that they must redraw legislative and congressional districts for the 2020 election because current maps drawn by Republicans represent a political gerrymander “of historical proportions,” Naturally the gop disagree: https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/25/michigan-gerrymandering/3576663002/

Wiki had an interesting breakdown of all polls to date that look at who can beat trump. Biden and Bernie lead the way: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

Of course the polls are not always right and it is way to early to really draw meaningful significance from them particularly with such a big field, the dem base being very different than it was even 3 years ago and the toxic political climate.

As it stands it is hard to see past Biden or Sanders and if things stay as they are Biden's broad appeal might win out.

The case for impeaching Trump will definitely play a part in this primary, at some point a stand will need to be taken. This is a really complex election, it is not the norm with the number of variables in play. It is quite the fascinating thing to watch from afar but we will all be impacted by its outcome. Adolf Twittler needs to go.

[TepidT2O]

Biden and Sanders... too old?  I guess maybe an elder non sociopathic leader might be good, but they’ll both be nearly 80.

[Red-Soldier]

Biden and Sanders... too old?  I guess maybe an elder non sociopathic leader might be good, but they’ll both be nearly 80.

80 is the new 40 

[Not that Gareth]

Biden and Sanders... too old?  I guess maybe an elder non sociopathic leader might be good, but they’ll both be nearly 80.

Without wanting to be ageist I would lean that way but maybe after all the turmoil the voters may see a set of hands in Biden who represents the norm. I would guess he has a lot of Obama colllateral going for him aswell.

[fowlermagic]

Considering its about 19 months to next Presidential election I think its a bloody joke people are running for it already. Pure nonsense as god knows who will be the front runner by this time next year. No way should there even be talk about any candidates until April 2020

[Not that Gareth]

Considering its about 19 months to next Presidential election I think its a bloody joke people are running for it already. Pure nonsense as god knows who will be the front runner by this time next year. No way should there even be talk about any candidates until April 2020

It's pretty standard. Trump, Cruz, Sanders, Clinton etc all officially announced their run about 18months in advance of the actual election. Just getting more airtime this time given the state of affairs and if I'm being cynical the media make a pretty penny out of it.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Biden and Sanders... too old?  I guess maybe an elder non sociopathic leader might be good, but they’ll both be nearly 80.

Out of the 2 I'd like to see Biden with one of the younger voices as his VP.


The Mayor wouldn't stand a chance in the GE,sad when you consider why.

[Riquende]

My prediction: Beto will get the nomination, beat Trump and then at the inauguration rip off the mask to reveal Hillary underneath.

[killer-heels]

Considering its about 19 months to next Presidential election I think its a bloody joke people are running for it already. Pure nonsense as god knows who will be the front runner by this time next year. No way should there even be talk about any candidates until April 2020

Its fucking ridiculous the money raised, spent and pissed away in Presidential campaigns.

In the UK, during an election, Corbyn met a group of people/voters/activists outside a Debenhams. These Yanks seem to need shed loads of security or stadiums to be seen in public.

[TepidT2O]

Without wanting to be ageist I would lean that way but maybe after all the turmoil the voters may see a set of hands in Biden who represents the norm. I would guess he has a lot of Obama colllateral going for him aswell.

Yeah, look I’m not trying to be ageist.  It’s just that there’s a really significant chance that either of them would die in office.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Biden and Sanders... too old?  I guess maybe an elder non sociopathic leader might be good, but they’ll both be nearly 80.

Out of the 2 I'd like to see Biden with one of the younger voices as his VP.


The Mayor wouldn't stand a chance in the GE,sad when you consider why.

[PatriotScouser]

Sherrod Brown is the only Democrat who can beat Trump in 2020.

[IgorBobbins]

Out of the 2 I'd like to see Biden with one of the younger voices as his VP.


The Mayor wouldn't stand a chance in the GE,sad when you consider why.

You can say that again

[Giono]

Out of the 2 I'd like to see Biden with one of the younger voices as his VP.


The Mayor wouldn't stand a chance in the GE,sad when you consider why.

Could be right. But he could make an awesome attack dog as a running mate. Tim Caine was not one for Clinton.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Could be right. But he could make an awesome attack dog as a running mate. Tim Caine was not one for Clinton.

Biden is sharp enough to be his own attack dog,I get your point though.


Hit Drumpf with a facts tsunami and watch him implode.

[Giono]

Sherrod Brown is the only Democrat who can beat Trump in 2020.

He doesn't thunk so. He isn't running.

I think that the Dems are not going for Ohio as well. They are targeting other rust belt states.

[Giono]

Biden is sharp enough to be his own attack dog,I get your point though.


Hit Drumpf with a facts tsunami and watch him implode.

Ya, that's true if Biden. He'd be complimentary to Harris for example.

There was a great moment from Mayor Pete when Anderson Cooper asked him about some Trump guy that happens to be gay comparing him to that actor in Chicago with the hoax. PB replied, "I'm not a master fisherman, but I recognise bait. And I'm not biting".

I think fact based is the way to fight Trump. Biden already took a shot with the Fine People reminder that America can have a fine economy without Nazis.

[gamble]

Yeah, look I’m not trying to be ageist.  It’s just that there’s a really significant chance that either of them would die in office.

Was surprised that Biden and Bernie might still be in the running for it at their age but they are both still sound of mind, and as regards the chance of them dying in office? I don't buy this much anymore. Medical care has come a long way and the President has the very best medical care and screening going, it isn't 1923 anymore.

But then again 2020 will come under the Curse of Tippecanoe!

[WhereAngelsPlay]

My political calls in the past YEARS have been shit though so if you're thinking of betting,just put money on exactly the opposite of what I say to happen,be making bank.

[afc tukrish]

My political calls in the past YEARS have been shit though so if you're thinking of betting,just put money on exactly the opposite of what I say to happen,be making bank.

Does your relative stoned state have any effect on your prognostication?

Should I just ignore tonight's bits?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Does your relative stoned state have any effect on your prognostication?

Should I just ignore tonight's bits?

No,ignore the lot 

[Peabee]

Yeah, look I’m not trying to be ageist.  It’s just that there’s a really significant chance that either of them would die in office.

It’s only a 4 year term. At least with someone that age, they’re not in it just to feather their nest.

[RedG13]

Considering its about 19 months to next Presidential election I think its a bloody joke people are running for it already. Pure nonsense as god knows who will be the front runner by this time next year. No way should there even be talk about any candidates until April 2020

Iowa Caucus is in Jan. New Hampshire primary is like a week or two later. Voting in Cali now starts like late Jan/Early feb(Mail in, primary is super tuesday I believe)

[elsewhere]

I'm guessing Biden will be the candidate and it won't be a close race. Curious who he will pick as his running mate.

[Giono]

I'm guessing Biden will be the candidate and it won't be a close race. Curious who he will pick as his running mate.

Way too early. He is polling higher than others nationally, but just on his name. 1sr two debates are in June and then in July. It will be a much clearer picture then.

With his Anita Hill baggage it will have to be a woman as his VP.

[Libertine]

You don't want to be ageist of course. But any presidential candidate for either party needs to be ready to serve for eight years. Plus almost 2 years of campaigning before that. And you want a president that commits to the job, not a lazy c*nt like Trump who spends most of his time watching TV and playing golf. That's a lot to ask of anyone in their mid to late 70s. Also think both would struggle against Trump - Biden is too much of a DC insider, Sanders policies may be individually popular but his democratic socialism branding is going to struggle to get mass appeal.

I'm hoping one or more of the next tier of candidates like Harris, O'Rourke and Buttigieg break through as their recognition grows.

Been very impressed with Buttigieg so far. Still very little policy detail of course but he's got natural political talent and a profile almost straight out of central casting. A little young and inexperienced, but he's from the mid-west (the critical battleground), is non-beltway with executive experience (and a good success story there), served in the military and is religious (but in a progressive way). Think he would have widespread appeal across Dems (though maybe not enthusiasm from the left of the party), independents and even never Trump Republicans. Needs to really expand his support among African-Americans though - I'm hoping for a Buttigieg-Harris ticket (and not just because I stuck a couple of quid on it at 67-1).

[Giono]

it's early, but Harris/Buttigeig is an interesting combination.


It will be interesting to see how the Bernie and Biden do over the next while. They are ahead by quite a lot, but not by any kind of dominant number in the polls. I'm curious how much potential they have to grow. Kind of like when people in RAWK talk abput a player's ceiling.


Buttigieg has some time to gain black support I believe. The black vote is not monolithic or tribal. If Harris or Booker don't look like an eventual Trump-beater...they won't get a lot of the black vote. Obama only got momentum with black voters after winning Iowa for example.

[Mutton Geoff]

Any Kennedy's available?

[Rob Dylan]

Hoping they go for a younger candidate, if I remember correctly Obama was far from being the favourite when he started, something similar could happen this time.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Any Kennedy's available?

A Biden - Kennedy III ticket

[Caligula?]

It's just way too early. It's like trying to predict next season's Champions League winners. However, I just really, really hope that all of the Democrats stand behind the candidate, whomever they may be. The field is so absolutely diverse in every sense of the word. There is something for everybody, so there's absolutely no logical way that you can have any complaints if 'your' candidate doesn't win the nomination. It'll be a grueling race across all 50 states with so many ideologies in competition with one another, so whoever comes up against Trump will have fully earned it unlike 2016 where Clinton was the de facto nominee before a vote was even cast.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

There is something for everybody, so there's absolutely no logical way that you can have any complaints if 'your' candidate doesn't win the nomination.

when the likes of bernie and warren don’t win, especially if it is to someone like Biden/Booker/Harris, then their idiot progressive fringe who can’t see past their own noses will kick off like last time over Hilary and vote green or not vote because of their precious ‘conscience’

[Giono]

when the likes of bernie and warren don’t win, especially if it is to someone like Biden/Booker/Harris, then their idiot progressive fringe who can’t see past their own noses will kick off like last time over Hilary and vote green or not vote because of their precious ‘conscience’

Disagree. Clinton was supposed to win relatively easy. They felt free. This time they know the potential cost.

Also, This time there will be other candidates dropping out but still having a voice. It's not just Bernie.

And Harris is for medicare for all. We don't know about Biden, but if he or anyone else is to win the leadership they will have to embrace a healthcare platform shared by supporters of other candidates. The difference won't be as stark as Bernie vs nothing.

Plus the motivation to beat Trump will trump any residual crankiness too. No guesses what is in store with a Trump win this time.

[Something Worse]

Warren has been easily the most impressive candidate so far, j just hope her numbers start to reflect that.

[Geppvindh's]

Yep Warren ticks all the boxes of Sanders and has the bite that Biden brings to the table. I wonder how much her whole indigenous ancestry testing fiasco will weigh in, Trump's just going to call her Pocahontas on a debate stage isn't he?

[Giono]

Yep Warren ticks all the boxes of Sanders and has the bite that Biden brings to the table. I wonder how much her whole indigenous ancestry testing fiasco will weigh in, Trump's just going to call her Pocahontas on a debate stage isn't he?

Her reply: Bone Spur

[Giono]

Warren has been easily the most impressive candidate so far, j just hope her numbers start to reflect that.

They are all low. But people aren't going to commit anyone before the debates. And I guess not before they know for sur who is in or out. Biden just officially joined and Buttigieg did officially a week ago. And Biden is only polling in the upper teens.

Warren does seem to be calling the dance with all her policy proposals. Biden etc. Won't be able to ignore that.

[GreatEx]

Yep Warren ticks all the boxes of Sanders and has the bite that Biden brings to the table. I wonder how much her whole indigenous ancestry testing fiasco will weigh in, Trump's just going to call her Pocahontas on a debate stage isn't he?

Which would only serve to thrill the base and disgust everyone else, so who cares?

[Geppvindh's]

Her reply: Bone Spur

Which would only serve to thrill the base and disgust everyone else, so who cares?

Yeah it probably isn't that big a deal. I believe no other career Republican is going to play this card anyway.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Yep Warren ticks all the boxes of Sanders and has the bite that Biden brings to the table. I wonder how much her whole indigenous ancestry testing fiasco will weigh in, Trump's just going to call her Pocahontas on a debate stage isn't he?

it’s not just that test though is it, its her claiming she was applying for college which will be a bigger deal, but until you get to the debates etc the polling probably isn’t all that relevant

Disagree. Clinton was supposed to win relatively easy. They felt free. This time they know the potential cost.

Also, This time there will be other candidates dropping out but still having a voice. It's not just Bernie.

And Harris is for medicare for all. We don't know about Biden, but if he or anyone else is to win the leadership they will have to embrace a healthcare platform shared by supporters of other candidates. The difference won't be as stark as Bernie vs nothing.

Plus the motivation to beat Trump will trump any residual crankiness too. No guesses what is in store with a Trump win this time.

id love to agree with this but I think a lot of them (the ‘bernie would have won’ brigade who were coming out with that when it became obvious trump was going to win) would probably prefer trump for 4 more years, especially if it means a more centrist democrat (Biden, Harris, Booker, Beto etc) loses it makes them more emboldened for the next run - go look at some of the shit Nate silver got the other day for posting something about the justice democrats candidates last time out not doing amazingly well