Topic: Arsenal

[4pool]

Ask Arsenal.

They might want their new signings available.

Major board room decision.

We'd have Mo and Sadio back.

Do they want to postpone again...hmmm

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I even admitted that my club are playing the system “the Amazon reference “, we can’t give any information on who has COVID , but we can take 7m for a camera crew to follow us and film every minute


I don’t believe that we couldn’t play tomorrow. Even put out a half decent first team. We just doing what other clubs with a lot of injuries are doing.

Klopp is on record that he thinks that Clubs shouldn't be able to keep the positive players secret.

[CalgarianRed]

Arsenal are a nothing club. Rather have Spurs or even United finish top 4.

[ScottishGoon]

Major board room decision.

We'd have Mo and Sadio back.

Do they want to postpone again...hmmm

I doubt we'll want to postpone the 2nd leg. Don't know the extent of the injuries but the extra few days without a game could mean the guys with minor injuries like Saka & Chambers could return. Don't know when the likes of Tomiyasu & Smith-Rowe would be deemed fit, & could Odegaard be available again after Covid?

[jillcwhomever]

Arsenal are a nothing club. Rather have Spurs or even United finish top 4.

United? You have to be kidding?

[ScottishGoon]

Arsenal are a nothing club. Rather have Spurs or even United finish top 4.

You sure your a Liverpool fan? Utd fans certainly want the worst for Liverpool that's for sure.

[tubby]

Arsenal are a nothing club. Rather have Spurs or even United finish top 4.

Now that's a hot, hot take.

[RJH]

Arsenal are a nothing club. Rather have Spurs or even United finish top 4.

Assume you mean West Ham or Leeds?

[4pool]

I doubt we'll want to postpone the 2nd leg. Don't know the extent of the injuries but the extra few days without a game could mean the guys with minor injuries like Saka & Chambers could return. Don't know when the likes of Tomiyasu & Smith-Rowe would be deemed fit, & could Odegaard be available again after Covid?

I meant your lot trying to get the second leg postponed again.

We're good. We'll play next thursday.

[Son of Spion]

Arsenal are a nothing club. Rather have Spurs or even United finish top 4.

Oh come on. Arsenal are a big and successful club. Easily the biggest and best in London and third biggest club in the country.

However, I agree that they and many of their fans have embarrassed themselves in the last few weeks.

[Jshooters]

Assume you mean West Ham or Leeds?

 

[Barneylfc∗]

Arsenal are a nothing club. Rather have Spurs or even United finish top 4.

Spurs? The same Spurs that have won the same amount of trophies this century as Swansea and Birmingham? That Spurs?

[ScottishGoon]

I meant your lot trying to get the second leg postponed again.

We're good. We'll play next thursday.

I don't get you...im explaining that I don't think we will ask for a postponement if just 2 or 3 of the injured players are ok.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I don't get you...im explaining that I don't think we will ask for a postponement if just 2 or 3 of the injured players are ok.

That's the thing,injuries & players playing for their countries does not give a club the right to postpone a fixture,two of Arsenals reasons are not covered by the rules.


Not that I'm arsed,we'll smash you at your place.

[ScottishGoon]

That's the thing,injuries & players playing for their countries does not give a club the right to postpone a fixture,two of Arsenals reasons are not covered by the rules.


Not that I'm arsed,we'll smash you at your place.

Arsenal don't have the power to postpone the fixture, it's the league, the ones that set the rules.

[ScottishGoon]

Another positive Covid Test reported today.

[4pool]

I don't get you...im explaining that I don't think we will ask for a postponement if just 2 or 3 of the injured players are ok.

Look at the post I originally replied to.

I'm taking the piss out of Arsenal. Not being serious. 

[ScottishGoon]

Look at the post I originally replied to.

I'm taking the piss out of Arsenal. Not being serious. 

Ah....sorry. Carry on. 

[MH41]

Surely this postponement issue was only introduced to solely deal with Covid outbreaks in teams?
Instead, the PL guidance has resulted in teams somehow being allowed to include injured players, and players unavailable (AFCON, suspensions - Granit Xhaka,  Manquillo) in order to request a postponement.
If Covid was not an issue at the moment (and given that, in this instance, Arsenal are reported as only having 1 case) what team would Arsenal have been able to field in any other year?

They would not have been able to apply for a postponement.
They also knew that they would be without these 4 players at AFCON (just as we have been discussing how to adapt to the absence of Mané, Salah and Keïta)
So are Arsenal genuinely saying that they would be unable to field a side in a PL game against Spurs?
Something is wrong here. Not just with Arsenal, but with the total lack of leadership from the PL throughout.
Some teams have been allowed to postpone games easily, others have been made to play (Leeds v city, Newcastle v city surprising, ahem). Burnley have 4 games in hand etc etc
An exciting 3 horse race for the PL, with a point separating the top 3, has been destroyed in the space of 3 weeks, by a complete lack of leadership, and complete lack of transparency in their decision making by the PL.
It is never too late to put an end to this postponement nonsense, (now that Gary Neville has finally found his voice 🙄) but the damage has already been done.
The season has been ruined.

[Chakan]

I'm sure there will be this collective outrage like they had with us no?

[newterp]

I'm sure there will be this collective outrage like they had with us no?

They actually broke twitter with the fume...oh no they didn't

[exiledintheUSA]

Arsenal fans in general have become a bunch of cryarses.  Their mental gymnastics of a few weeks ago has now become complete silence.

Utter bunch of meffs.

[Filler.]

1 covid case and it's postponed? Absolutely stinks.

[4pool]

It's not just the 1 Covid case.

Nor the two loan players.

They applied for a postponement Friday. Friday their U23's played 1-1 against the Hammers. Why not postpone that match so you could use some of those players with the Senior squad players available in the NLD?

[PoetryInMotion]

They’re not a small club. Respect where it’s due, they’re a proper club. Nothing like Chelsea or City.

I agree, they are not a small club, but the poster is right about their small club mentality, the lack of European Cups add to it. I haven't mentioned their fans, have I?

From my circle, I found some Man United fans to be arrogant (probably due to their successes in the Ferguson era), and some Chelsea fans to be vile, but the word I'd describe the Arsenal fans I know is delusional! They're so far removed from reality that it's hard to fathom.

[Eeyore]

Arsenal don't have the power to postpone the fixture, it's the league, the ones that set the rules.

Arsenal are fully aware of the spirit of the rules though. As a club, you are basically taking advantage of a pandemic to try and garner an advantage.

That is about as low as you can go. 

I remember when Arsenal as a club had a bit of class about them.

[Dim Glas]

Assume you mean West Ham or Leeds?

 

CalgarianRed is full of odd takes, I guess the lack of understanding of rivalires doesn’t help. Sometimes new fans need to educate themselves a bit more before commenting!

[The North Bank]

Arsenal are fully aware of the spirit of the rules though. As a club, you are basically taking advantage of a pandemic to try and garner an advantage.

That is about as low as you can go. 

I remember when Arsenal as a club had a bit of class about them.

The league are now taking into consideration all absentees not just COVID. It could be a sensible thing, Covid could easily be contributing to injuries of recovered players. There’s a lot we don’t know about it and in a disrupted season the league has decided to give some leeway to clubs.
It’s not much of a contest if we fielded the under 15s, that also devalues the league, that’s already made uncompetitive by the absence of financial fair play and oil countries buying clubs.

[Fromola]

Arsenal are fully aware of the spirit of the rules though. As a club, you are basically taking advantage of a pandemic to try and garner an advantage.

That is about as low as you can go. 

I remember when Arsenal as a club had a bit of class about them.

The art of 'shithousery' has completely taken over English football.

[ScottishGoon]

Arsenal are fully aware of the spirit of the rules though. As a club, you are basically taking advantage of a pandemic to try and garner an advantage.

That is about as low as you can go. 

I remember when Arsenal as a club had a bit of class about them.

Weve played the first couple of games of the season & were hammered because we had a number of players out with Covid & injuries, we asked to cancel then & were refused.

We've seen games with Wolves & Liverpool postponed. We got put out the FA Cup because we were under strength in centre midfield.
We've been watching teams like Leicester get postponements for the same reason we are asking just now.

So as a club, considering we could have been without 14 players for whatever reason, it's well within its rights to ask the question. The Premier League didn't have to grant the request, in which case we would have played the game. We might have had to play the kids, but they played West Ham on Friday night, so they would have had to play Friday / Sunday, which we rarely ask full grown professional players to do.

By the way, in the background of all this that's hasn't even been mentioned yet in this thread after the 'drama' of yesterday is the fact that Aubameyang & several other players are suffering from Heart Lesions / problems after recovering from Covid, & that's not only a worry for all sports people, but the general public who don't get the luxury of these screenings after Covid.

[Walshy nMe®]

Will be a bit spicy on Thursday I think. Arsenal seemed to have prioritised Thursday over the NLD.

I’ve got a ticket but I’m with the arsenal fans. If anyone has a spare and can’t make it then I’d love to take it.

[PaulF]

By the way, in the background of all this that's hasn't even been mentioned yet in this thread after the 'drama' of yesterday is the fact that Aubameyang & several other players are suffering from Heart Lesions / problems after recovering from Covid, & that's not only a worry for all sports people, but the general public who don't get the luxury of these screenings after Covid.

Absolutely.  That is the key thing here.
Now, we don't know how 'true'  this is, but I'll take it at face value.  I have no idea what a lesion is but I expect anything affecting the heart isn't good.
Maybe it's normally something that only causes problems for top athletes. But I have been wondering if long covid significantly impacts the ability to exercise. Which will cause many other long term health problems.

--edit-- I'm not sure I should be questioning the truth of the statement. But I know others will,so I'm setting out my stall that I don't think Arsenal would issue the statement if not true.

[ScottishGoon]

Will be a bit spicy on Thursday I think. Arsenal seemed to have prioritised Thursday over the NLD.

I’ve got a ticket but I’m with the arsenal fans. If anyone has a spare and can’t make it then I’d love to take it.

Dont think Arsenal would prioritise any game over the NLD unless it really is a dead rubber. This game will be massive in terms of who could get 4th place, so the derby game is more important I'd say, although others might disagree.

Absolutely.  That is the key thing here.
Now, we don't know how 'true'  this is, but I'll take it at face value.  I have no idea what a lesion is but I expect anything affecting the heart isn't good.
Maybe it's normally something that only causes problems for top athletes. But I have been wondering if long covid significantly impacts the ability to exercise. Which will cause many other long term health problems.

--edit-- I'm not sure I should be questioning the truth of the statement. But I know others will,so I'm setting out my stall that I don't think Arsenal would issue the statement if not true.

I don't even think Arsenal have seen Aubameyang yet, he's away with Gabon so I think it's their doctors that have picked up on it. Only thing to come from the Arsenal side is that they are apparently satisfied it's not a serious issue currently.

[Drinks Sangria]

I think it just seems strange on the face of it that Arsenal had 16/17 senior players in their league cup squad, then 3 days later they couldn't fulfil a league fixture. And it's obviously plausible that some of those players have contracted covid since. I think the issue boils down to injuries being included and a lack of transparency - because a massive amount of injuries has never in any other circumstances been a reason that teams have been able to choose or heavily influence the movement of a fixture.

It just feels like, and this is directed at multiple teams in the league, not just Arsenal - that some teams have been forced to get on with it despite debilitating losses to the squad (Leeds) and others have manipulated situations or plead with the league knowing they don't have to actually prove their claims (Spurs, Leicester, Man Utd).

Arsenal aren't the only guilty ones, it's the league's fault for creating this situation - the small change of putting a X number on cases and only postponing a game with clear proof that this is the case - as in the league sending independent testing in to measure the cases would clear the issue. But as ever with the Premier League, anything that halts the money train, even if it protects player safety, is an absolute hard NO.

[lionel_messias]

I think it just seems strange on the face of it that Arsenal had 16/17 senior players in their league cup squad, then 3 days later they couldn't fulfil a league fixture. And it's obviously plausible that some of those players have contracted covid since. I think the issue boils down to injuries being included and a lack of transparency - because a massive amount of injuries has never in any other circumstances been a reason that teams have been able to choose or heavily influence the movement of a fixture.

It just feels like, and this is directed at multiple teams in the league, not just Arsenal - that some teams have been forced to get on with it despite debilitating losses to the squad (Leeds) and others have manipulated situations or plead with the league knowing they don't have to actually prove their claims (Spurs, Leicester, Man Utd).

Arsenal aren't the only guilty ones, it's the league's fault for creating this situation - the small change of putting a X number on cases and only postponing a game with clear proof that this is the case - as in the league sending independent testing in to measure the cases would clear the issue. But as ever with the Premier League, anything that halts the money train, even if it protects player safety, is an absolute hard NO.

The issue now is the playing schedule is at breaking point. I think Burnley are 5 games behind and any new postponements are now in the mix with returning European fixtures and international breaks.

Also, one of Liverpool (hope so) or Arsenal will not be able|Sorry broke my own mind there---the Liverpool and Arsenal league fixture due on the day of the League Cup Final will obviously have to be postponed anyway.

[Fromola]

The issue now is the playing schedule is at breaking point. I think Burnley are 5 games behind and any new postponements are now in the mix with returning European fixtures and international breaks.

Also, one of Liverpool (hope so) or Arsenal will not be able|Sorry broke my own mind there---the Liverpool and Arsenal league fixture due on the day of the League Cup Final will obviously have to be postponed anyway.

Arsenal are well insulated from the odd postponement though as they're already out the FA Cup (gives them several free weekends) and not in Europe (loads of free midweeks).

The Liverpool league game will be difficult to fit in though if we go far in Europe.

[Crosby Nick]

The Liverpool league game will be difficult to fit in though if we go far in Europe.

Can we not just award ourselves three points?

[ScottishGoon]

We've apparently agreed to allow Pablo Mari to go on loan to Udinese, not sure when he will officially leave but the optics would be terrible if we allow that to happen before Liverpool on Thursday & then ask for a postponement.

What's the difference between EFL & Premier League rules again, as I really hope the game goes ahead in Thursday?

[Dim Glas]

Arsenal taking the piss with these loans

Only just saw that Spurs statement from when the game was postponed, fantastic!

[Nick110581]

We've apparently agreed to allow Pablo Mari to go on loan to Udinese, not sure when he will officially leave but the optics would be terrible if we allow that to happen before Liverpool on Thursday & then ask for a postponement.

What's the difference between EFL & Premier League rules again, as I really hope the game goes ahead in Thursday?

Not sure on the difference on rules but sure you will bend them so you have a fresh squad.