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Agree. They were given several chances to intervene on their son's behalf, but as usual MAGA blockheads likely see it as liberal interference on their God-given right to be complete jackasses.

The messages they send after the shooting clearly show two people trying to cover up their tracks after suddenly realising shit just got real for them.

Yes trying to escape to Canada I think, the utter cowards.
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Yes trying to escape to Canada I think, the utter cowards.

I think they're the archetypal Trump/modern GOP voters.
Preach personal responsibility to everyone else yet take no responsibility whatsoever for any of their own actions, I think they like Trump because they can see themselves in him, "if we were rich we'd be just like him" type of thing.

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Such a fucking bizarre family picture for what is meant to be a developed and civilised 1st world country. In a way it sums up just how fucked the US is.

It does and that's what I was trying to say on the previous page with the quote of the prosecutor. As long as people don't realise that the whole "Yeah, we don't want bad guys to have guns, but let the 'responsible' people have as many guns as they want"-thing has not worked, mass shootings will keep happening and people will keep getting shot. I don't see that attitude really changing, because even politicians who are in favour of gun control are still too scared to go for the strictest rules possible, because they are too afraid of upsetting possible voters who don't want to give up their guns. I'm sorry, but children are dying on a regular basis by simply going to school, they have to do active-shooters drills, they have schools with metal detectors. Those things should be enough to make people think. This stuff is not normal. Full stop. Yet, the right to bear arms seems more important than trying to make the country a safer place. It's just insane.

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What the fuck is wrong with these people?!

I know, you could take someone's eye out there. There's no room at all. That's a hand gun couch at best for three people.

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Such a fucking bizarre family picture for what is meant to be a developed and civilised 1st world country. In a way it sums up just how fucked the US is.

Just for context. I believe this is the weapon the father is holding.

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And many of us who live here don’t fucking understand it, either. We’re losing so many young people. I haven’t lectured in person at my college for two years due to COVID, but I will be doing an active shooter mini-drill on day one when I return in January. It’s strange that the first lecture I give every semester in person is how to get out of a classroom alive. What I don’t say is “If we’re lucky,” which is closer to the reality.
That's mental. Though I have thought they should teach general principles for a terrorist attack here too .
Do they have stocks of bullet proof vest for kids in classrooms? Is it even considered?
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Fox and trumpers pushing the narrative now that the school is as much to blame as the parents...

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Fox and trumpers pushing the narrative now that the school is as much to blame as the parents...

Government institution, fits the party narrative...
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Fox and trumpers pushing the narrative now that the school is as much to blame as the parents...


Listen it's not the right time to apportion blame or to talk about gun control or to try politicize this, it's about thoughts and prayers right now ok. Got it? Ok.

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Blaming the school takes some heat off the gunnuts i guess. The parents weren't to blame... they did nothing illegal... just exercizing their 2nd amendment rights... how were they to know their kid was a psycho. The school should have known... I have lived in the US for 30 years now but grew up in the UK. I have an 11 year old son and every day i cant help but wonder what if.

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That's the thing with US gun crime. It's always the fault of the side that DIDN'T have a gun.
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Fox and trumpers pushing the narrative now that the school is as much to blame as the parents...

A sitting US president was shot and nothing was done.
A bunch of religious places were shot and nothing was done.
A school was shot at and nothing was done.

What a fucked up place. Third world problems and third world thinking.

Nothing will ever be done. Bunch of micro dick motherfuckers these gun swinging 2nd amendment defenders.

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Such a fucking bizarre family picture for what is meant to be a developed and civilised 1st world country. In a way it sums up just how fucked the US is.

What’s even more bizarre is that in the comments, any time people pointed out how insensitive it was in light of the latest shooting, tons of people jump in asking how that’s relevant. If people can’t join those dots, there’s no helping them.

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Such a fucking bizarre family picture for what is meant to be a developed and civilised 1st world country. In a way it sums up just how fucked the US is.

Is it developed and civilised if it's happy that 40,000+ die every year because of the availability of firearms?

Basically half the country ARE developed and civillised, the rest seem to want to be part of the aftermath of the Rapture, the Purge, Mad Max, Escape from New York or Worms; Total War.

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You're talking about a group of people who think that Born in the USA is a song that celebrates its "greatness".

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Fox and trumpers pushing the narrative now that the school is as much to blame as the parents...

The Party of Personal Responsibility (when the other side does something wrong).

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You're talking about a group of people who think that Born in the USA is a song that celebrates its "greatness".

I've evacuated curries that were more self aware than the lot of the c*nts.

That did make me laugh, the lack of self-awareness to not realise how great a song "Born in the USA" was and the utter lack of the ability to decipher it.
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Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his
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Massie was criticized for posting his photo days after the high-school shooting in Michigan.
Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

"The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo.

Her tweet was addressed to Republican Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who posted a photo on Saturday of his own family in front of a Christmas tree with guns. It had the caption "Merry Christmas! ps. Santa, pls bring ammo."

Massie faced intense criticism for the timing of the photo, which was published days after a gunman opened fire at a high school in Oxford, Michigan, killing four students. A 15-year-old student at the school was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting.

Boebert's own tweet added jokingly to Massie: "(No spare ammo for you, though)."

Democratic Rep. Thomas Yarmuth, also of Kentucky, criticized Massie's post, and wrote on Twitter: "I promise not everyone in Kentucky is an insensitive asshole."

"I'm old enough to remember Republicans screaming that it was insensitive to try to protect people from gun violence after a tragedy," he added.

"Now they openly rub the murder of children in our faces like they scored a touchdown. Disgraceful."


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So now it's ok to show under age children using guns. Righto.


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So now it's ok to show under age children using guns. Righto.

She's from Colorado.  She owns Shooters Bar. Carrying is mandatory.

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She's from Colorado.  She owns Shooters Bar. Carrying is mandatory.

Future head of the NRA or whoever replaces it.

She's a brain dead fuckwit. I am so fucking fed up with the pathetic and interminable bleating that Americans have the right to bear arms, when it's fucking obvious that the original reason for the 2nd Amendment is no longer relevant.

Here's a timeline for the hard of thinking:

1775: Continental Army formed to fight the Revolutionary War with Great Britain. The Continental Army supported by local militias from each state.
1776: Declaration of Independence
1783: Revolutionary War ends with the Treaty of Paris. Continental Army disbanded. US had no standing Army apart from 12 soldiers guarding West Point and 700 guarding the border.
1787: Constitution of the United States drafted. Ratified in 1788
1789: BIll of Rights (including 2nd Amendment) drafted. Ratified in 1791.

That's the context for this:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Without a standing army it was considered important that people in each state could own arms to form militias. That need is no longer relevant (unless you're a fuckwit conspiracy nut who thinks AR-15s would be of any use if the US MIlitary decided to turn its weaponry on the civilian population)

It's staggering just how fucked up America is politically and the 2nd Amendment shite is just one of the most glaring examples.

Americans have allowed devious and duplicitous people to manipulate the myth that America is somehow the lone beacon of Freedom (capital F) and that the Founding Fathers were somehow godlike in their ability to draft the Constitution and the BIll of Rights as documents that would stay relevant for hundreds of years without change. They've weaponised the First Amendment to allow hate speech and justify right wing propaganda radio and TV. They've used the Second Amendment as a wedge issue to give people something they don't need and then threaten 'The Left' is going to take it away. 

They are bastardising voting rights and the Supreme Court. Debasing the separatio nof Church and State. And so on and so on.

And all the while, children will continue to be slaughtered at their desks because of the hagiography of a bunch of two-hundred-year-old slave-owners.
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Well she's lost the Everton vote anyway ;)

She's a brain dead fuckwit. I am so fucking fed up with the pathetic and interminable bleating that Americans have the right to bear arms, when it's fucking obvious that the original reason for the 2nd Amendment is no longer relevant.

Here's a timeline for the hard of thinking:

1775: Continental Army formed to fight the Revolutionary War with Great Britain. The Continental Army supported by local militias from each state.
1776: Declaration of Independence
1783: Revolutionary War ends with the Treaty of Paris. Continental Army disbanded. US had no standing Army apart from 12 soldiers guarding West Point and 700 guarding the border.
1787: Constitution of the United States drafted. Ratified in 1788
1789: BIll of Rights (including 2nd Amendment) drafted. Ratified in 1791.

That's the context for this:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Without a standing army it was considered important that people in each state could own arms to form militias. That need is no longer relevant (unless you're a fuckwit conspiracy nut who thinks AR-15s would be of any use if the US MIlitary decided to turn its weaponry on the civilian population)

It's staggering just how fucked up America is politically and the 2nd Amendment shite is just one of the most glaring examples.

Americans have allowed devious and duplicitous people to manipulate the myth that America is somehow the lone beacon of Freedom (capital F) and that the Founding Fathers were somehow godlike in their ability to draft the Constitution and the BIll of Rights as documents that would stay relevant for hundreds of years without change.


Well said. I was just explaining this to a friend on the phone last night, an anti-gun person but desite that someone who still assumed that the right of any old joe to carry an assualt rifle is clearly and unequivocally enshrined in the US Constitution (sic).

The whole thing is sophistry of the worst kind.  And leads to a mindset that's fucked up and bloody (sick)
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The gun toting Christmas cards are mind blowing. I only hope these people are voted out for their blatant ignorance and inability to read the room after recent tragedies.

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The gun toting Christmas cards are mind blowing. I only hope these people are voted out for their blatant ignorance and inability to read the room after recent tragedies.

Nah. Sandy Hook was what did it for me. Little four and five year old kids slaughtered and they did fucking nothing.

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Nah. Sandy Hook was what did it for me. Little four and five year old kids slaughtered and they did fucking nothing.

It was definitely the day the US decided

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Also, the Constitution is not some god-given document. It was written by a bunch of dudes. No smarter than people that exist now.

Countries change, replace and amend their constitution all the time.


 
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Also, the Constitution is not some god-given document. It was written by a bunch of dudes. No smarter than people that exist now.

Countries change, replace and amend their constitution all the time. To keep them modern and up to date with the needs of modern society.
 

Try telling a gun nut they can change the 2nd amendment. You'll get at least an hour of them ranting that it can't be changed.

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Nah. Sandy Hook was what did it for me. Little four and five year old kids slaughtered and they did fucking nothing.

They did more worse than nothing. Some of the fucking loons still to this day say that it was staged or a false flag operation.
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And this.


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“Tell me again where Christ said ‘use the commemoration of my birth to flex violent weapons for personal political gain’? lol @ all the years Republicans spent on cultural hysteria of society ‘erasing Christmas and its meaning’ when they’re doing that fine all on their own,” Ms Ocasio-Cortez tweeted shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

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That's the context for this:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Without a standing army it was considered important that people in each state could own arms to form militias. That need is no longer relevant (unless you're a fuckwit conspiracy nut who thinks AR-15s would be of any use if the US MIlitary decided to turn its weaponry on the civilian population)

It's staggering just how fucked up America is politically and the 2nd Amendment shite is just one of the most glaring examples.

Americans have allowed devious and duplicitous people to manipulate the myth that America is somehow the lone beacon of Freedom (capital F) and that the Founding Fathers were somehow godlike in their ability to draft the Constitution and the BIll of Rights as documents that would stay relevant for hundreds of years without change. They've weaponised the First Amendment to allow hate speech and justify right wing propaganda radio and TV. They've used the Second Amendment as a wedge issue to give people something they don't need and then threaten 'The Left' is going to take it away. 

They are bastardising voting rights and the Supreme Court. Debasing the separation of Church and State. And so on and so on.

And all the while, children will continue to be slaughtered at their desks because of the hagiography of a bunch of two-hundred-year-old slave-owners.
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A 2nd NYPD officer has died after a responding to a domestic call in Harlem last Friday.

https://abc7ny.com/nypd-officer-shot-wilbert-mora-harlem-police-shooting-killed/11508216/
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Biden:

"Today, the families of nine victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting have secured a historic settlement with the gun manufacturer Remington. While this settlement does not erase the pain of that tragic day, it does begin the necessary work of holding gun manufacturers accountable for manufacturing weapons of war and irresponsibly marketing these firearms.
 
This progress is the result of the perseverance of nine families who turned tragedy into purpose. They have demonstrated that state and city consumer protection laws – like Connecticut’s Unfair Trade Practices Act – provide an opportunity to hold gun manufacturers and dealers accountable for wrongdoing despite the persistence of the federal immunity shield for these companies.
 
As I have repeatedly called for, Congress must repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act so we can fully hold gun manufacturers and dealers accountable. But, in the meantime, I will continue to urge state and local lawmakers, lawyers, and survivors of gun violence to pursue efforts to replicate the success of the Sandy Hook families. Together, we can deliver a clear message to gun manufacturers and dealers: they must either change their business models to be part of the solution for the gun violence epidemic, or they will bear the financial cost of their complicity."


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Surprising development

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60312237

Hopefully the floodgates will open. If not you may see a massive withdrawal of advertising spend by gun manufacturers.
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Sweet, so now the US Govt believe that making the manufacturers financialy liable is a step in the right direction?? How about making the product  illegal.. ?? Ohhh say can you seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Sweet, so now the US Govt believe that making the manufacturers financialy liable is a step in the right direction?? How about making the product  illegal.. ?? Ohhh say can you seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

These guys say hello.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60484459

New York City and the rest of the country are experiencing an increase in murders and violent crime. The mayor of NY is promising “more police in the streets” and a “tough stance on crime”. Heard that before? It’s so transparent and dumb.

Maybe the reason that crime is increasing is because the working class have to rely on food stamps even though they have paid work. I absolutely adore the United States but it’s sickening how capitalism is allowed to run free over there. It’s all about profit.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60484459

New York City and the rest of the country are experiencing an increase in murders and violent crime. The mayor of NY is promising “more police in the streets” and a “tough stance on crime”. Heard that before? It’s so transparent and dumb.

Maybe the reason that crime is increasing is because the working class have to rely on food stamps even though they have paid work. I absolutely adore the United States but it’s sickening how capitalism is allowed to run free over there. It’s all about profit.
 

I dunno what stats they are using but,violent crime was down in Boston last year.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/01/06/metro/violent-crime-declined-city-2021-property-crimes-also-reported-down-boston-police-say/.