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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #120 on: August 23, 2013, 08:09:11 am »
He's turned his entire career around since shit like Daredevil.

I still have huge worries over the film, the director and probably what they will do with the story, but Affleck I'm actually excited about.

It's a little left field, no one really mentioned him, but I think he could be very good.

My problem with Affleck is that he's just a giant jelly. Nothing about him is tough or menacing. Bale looks like a psycho (ha), Keaton got the brooding seriousness down, even Val Kilmer had the right sort of look. Affleck, like Clooney, would be a fine Bruce Wayne playboy type, but he just doesn't have anything in his career that sets him up to be a superhero. Ironic, considering he played Daredevil.

You know who would be a far better fit whilst still not being right? Brad Pitt.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #121 on: August 23, 2013, 08:30:29 am »
What a shit choice and guaranteed to be a utterly shit movie.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #122 on: August 23, 2013, 08:51:36 am »
Don't agree with the choice and i'm certainly more worried about this now but I suppose I wasn't sure about Bale as Batman or Craig as Bond for that matter.

I think Nolan has been far too precious about his creation.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #123 on: August 23, 2013, 08:57:13 am »
My problem with Affleck is that he's just a giant jelly. Nothing about him is tough or menacing. Bale looks like a psycho (ha), Keaton got the brooding seriousness down, even Val Kilmer had the right sort of look. Affleck, like Clooney, would be a fine Bruce Wayne playboy type, but he just doesn't have anything in his career that sets him up to be a superhero. Ironic, considering he played Daredevil.

You know who would be a far better fit whilst still not being right? Brad Pitt.

I think he can do. Put him in the suit (get it right, needs a different suit to Bale's thinner, ergonomic Batsuit), show off that jawline, work on his accent, bulk him up etc. He's 6 foot 2, so I think he will have the look nailed down.

The acting, well since the pretty diabolical Daredevil, he has turned it right around and has matured into a brilliant actor. I think he has the potential to be a great Batman. He will certainly be the better Bruce Wayne, but really you never know how an actor will work as Bats. People weren't happy with Bale when he was announced, people were against Keaton too, it's a hard role to really visualise and a lot of it depends on the version of Batman they go with.

Put it this way, there are a lot of things I'm worried about for this film. A lot of places it could go badly wrong. Ben Affleck isn't really one of them.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #124 on: August 23, 2013, 09:09:19 am »
Not sure if it's been mentioned but how can people question any casting choice before they've seen the film? Two recent examples

Daniel Craig as James Bond- People were up in arms about this, YOU CAN'T HAVE A BLONDE BOND!! People creating websites to boycott the film without knowing anything about it. It turned out to be Casino Royale, which is the greatest Bond Film and Craig is a phenominal Bond,

Heath Ledger as the Joker- What the guy from a Knights Tale and 10 Things I hate About you, stepping into Jack Nicolson's shoes!! And that didn't turn out too bad did it? And the perfomance and film were ok weren't they? :lickin

I think it's an interesting choice and I'm interested in seeing his portayal,

That said I still think it's too early into the MoS story to introduce Batman and also too soon after Bale's Batman but hey what to I know


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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #125 on: August 23, 2013, 09:15:31 am »
What great roles has Affleck had?

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #126 on: August 23, 2013, 09:59:41 am »
What great roles has Affleck had?

Brilliant in The Town and Argo, although admittedly he directed those. Also liked him in State of Play.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #127 on: August 23, 2013, 09:59:44 am »
The Town, Argo?
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #128 on: August 23, 2013, 10:03:39 am »
He's been good to fantastic in Argo, The Town, Good Will Hunting, Dogma, Hollywoodland.

There's a good actor there.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #129 on: August 23, 2013, 10:05:59 am »
I'm a massive Batman fan, what worries me is the story in so much trouble already that they have to add Batman to the MoS franchise? My problem with Superman over the years is that the stories are much poorer than Batman stories. It's hard to come up with new scenarios which Superman has to deal with, as he's so powerful to begin with.

MoS was the same. The storytelling of Clark's life was admittedly some of the best bits in the movie, the action scenes however got tiresome. So to up the ante for the second they throw in Batman. Who's the crowd going to root for? Or will it be a team up? On paper, it's a fans dream. In reality, this could end up being the biggest flop in superhero history.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #130 on: August 23, 2013, 10:35:12 am »
To be honest, Affleck is the least of this film's worries. I wasn't a huge fan of MoS, and it's a total rush job inserting Batman into the story this soon.

WB tried to get Affleck to direct the Justice League when it was mooted recently, would love to see him take on a Batman solo film as actor/director.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #131 on: August 23, 2013, 11:27:17 am »
I'm a huge Batman fan, and while I'm nonplussed with this casting, I think Affleck can pull it off, but the one thing that I love is that despite the character being decades old, Oscar winning actors (albiet as director!) are lining up to play the part. The character himself is such a great character, and even all these years later, is still getting respected actors lining up to play him.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #132 on: August 23, 2013, 11:50:12 am »
I'm a huge Batman fan, and while I'm nonplussed with this casting, I think Affleck can pull it off, but the one thing that I love is that despite the character being decades old, Oscar winning actors (albiet as director!) are lining up to play the part. The character himself is such a great character, and even all these years later, is still getting respected actors lining up to play him.

Love it.  :)

Well it's a reboot of a trilogy that grossed $2.5bn worldwide and was critically acclaimed, you're hardly going to have the producers having to settle for Adam Sandler as Batman with Kevin Smith directing because no one else was interested.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #133 on: August 23, 2013, 11:54:15 am »
He's been good to fantastic in Argo, The Town, Good Will Hunting, Dogma, Hollywoodland.

There's a good actor there.

There's no edge to Affleck at all. He isn't a shit actor but he is hardly someone you call on to really make the role stand out. To me it's just Hollywood studios choice, in that there is no risk, no edge and let's get someone who is a big draw right now.

That said, it doesn't matter who plays Batman. It's a Snyder film so that means it will be utter dog turd.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #134 on: August 23, 2013, 11:55:36 am »
Very left field choice that but he was great in The Town which is the last movie I've seen of his.  he also  picked up an Oscar for Argo didn't he?

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #135 on: August 23, 2013, 11:56:19 am »
Very left field choice that but he was great in The Town which is the last movie I've seen of his.  he also  picked up an Oscar for Argo didn't he?

He isn't a left field choice at all. He is the very Hollywood choice.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #136 on: August 23, 2013, 12:02:13 pm »
Not a fan of the selection..nothing to do with his talent but it could go the way of George Clooney. Good actors, good guys but a little one paced, IMO ofcourse.


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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #137 on: August 23, 2013, 12:02:33 pm »
There's no edge to Affleck at all. He isn't a shit actor but he is hardly someone you call on to really make the role stand out. To me it's just Hollywood studios choice, in that there is no risk, no edge and let's get someone who is a big draw right now.

That said, it doesn't matter who plays Batman. It's a Snyder film so that means it will be utter dog turd.

That's my worry right there. No issue with Affleck, I didn't think Heath Ledger had the right edge to be the Joker, and we know how that turned out. Think Affleck will surprise a lot.

Snyder is the issue. There was nothing in Man of Steel to suggest this will be a well crafted, incredibly good film. The script wasn't good, I didn't much like Cavill, the action was longwinded and dull, the characters were rushed and jarring. I have little confidence he can then take Batman and mould him and this Superman into a quality film.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #138 on: August 23, 2013, 12:06:22 pm »
He isn't a left field choice at all. He is the very Hollywood choice.

Don't think its necessarily the 'Hollywood choice' at all. The Hollywood choice would have been to do absolutely anything to get Bale back. I think Ryan Gosling, Orlando Bloom, or Jake Gyllenhaal would have been a 'Hollywood choice'. That way they would have gone for a young hip actor who all have a large (mostly female) following. Affleck, despite recent success, has hardly proved that he can carry a film (on a consistent basis). He's had as many hits as misses, probably more misses.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #139 on: August 23, 2013, 12:18:16 pm »
Don't think its necessarily the 'Hollywood choice' at all. The Hollywood choice would have been to do absolutely anything to get Bale back. I think Ryan Gosling, Orlando Bloom, or Jake Gyllenhaal would have been a 'Hollywood choice'. That way they would have gone for a young hip actor who all have a large (mostly female) following. Affleck, despite recent success, has hardly proved that he can carry a film (on a consistent basis). He's had as many hits as misses, probably more misses.

Whether he has had past failures or not, at the moment his stock is higher than Gylenhaal or Orlando Bloom. He is one of the most sought after actors.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #140 on: August 23, 2013, 12:23:27 pm »
I wasn't interested in Man of Steel and no matter what Affleck does and whether he was a good choice, I just don't see Superman / Batman being good

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #141 on: August 23, 2013, 12:30:22 pm »
Clearly going for the ageing Batman route as in Dark Knight Returns.

Not convinced by the choice, but then I wouldn't be convinced about anyone following the stunning turn Bale put in.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #142 on: August 23, 2013, 12:35:38 pm »
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #143 on: August 23, 2013, 12:49:47 pm »
Clearly going for the ageing Batman route as in Dark Knight Returns.


Mmm, not sure. Affleck is only 41. The press release on his casting says he's a 'seasoned crime fighter', but I think he'll still be at the top of his game.

Think we'll get any Batman villains in this?


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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #144 on: August 23, 2013, 01:47:53 pm »
Well it's a reboot of a trilogy that grossed $2.5bn worldwide and was critically acclaimed, you're hardly going to have the producers having to settle for Adam Sandler as Batman with Kevin Smith directing because no one else was interested.

The reason is because of the character though. The reason it's popular in the first place was because the character is so long lasting.

The thing with Affleck is that I can't take him seriously behind a mask, I don't know why? Other actors I can, for some reason when I see him in a Batman suit, it'll be Ben Affleck in a Batman suit. It wasn't like that with Bale.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #145 on: August 23, 2013, 02:02:20 pm »
Im alright with the Affleck choice. Chasing Amy is one of my favourite films and he can handle dialogue as well as the high budget action.

When you are attempting to reboot any franchise there is always so much fan friction. No different here

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #146 on: August 23, 2013, 02:40:48 pm »
Affleck will smash it.

Can see him playing the character the same way he did in Argo, world weary, but with steely determination and a huge pair of bollocks.

He belongs in comic book films, he looks like he was drawn by Steve Dillon.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #147 on: August 23, 2013, 02:47:24 pm »
Brilliant in The Town and Argo, although admittedly he directed those. Also liked him in State of Play.

Literally the only two films I've liked him in. His previous attempt at a super hero disturbed me.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #148 on: August 23, 2013, 05:14:34 pm »
Glad Bale will not be playing Batman in this movie, must have turned down a huge sum of money.

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #149 on: August 23, 2013, 05:17:11 pm »
Shouldn't Batman have been JGL?

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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #151 on: August 23, 2013, 05:23:40 pm »
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« Reply #152 on: August 23, 2013, 05:28:53 pm »
Shouldn't Batman have been JGL?

No. Massive iconic moment when they will first meet, has to be "Bruce Wayne".

Read a great article before, saying how Affleck may bring out the detective side of Batman much more. No idea how they based that when there is zero plot details about mind.
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« Reply #153 on: August 23, 2013, 05:47:44 pm »
No. Massive iconic moment when they will first meet, has to be "Bruce Wayne".

Read a great article before, saying how Affleck may bring out the detective side of Batman much more. No idea how they based that when there is zero plot details about mind.

Well, in a movie with Superman his fighting ability isn't going to be the most noticeable thing, so they should focus on his more cerebral assets.

Problem is Superman is a genius too.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #154 on: August 23, 2013, 05:57:16 pm »
Shouldn't Batman have been JGL?
Too young, they want an older than Superman Batman, so he can kick the living shit out of him and teach him a fucking lesson he wont forget.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #155 on: August 23, 2013, 05:59:37 pm »
Affleck will smash it.

Can see him playing the character the same way he did in Argo, world weary, but with steely determination and a huge pair of bollocks.

He belongs in comic book films, he looks like he was drawn by Steve Dillon.

Kind of came on here to say this. Anyone who thinks he can't play the Batman, should go and rewatch Argo; his die-hard character in that film, shows that he can play a stern, bold and relatively three dimensional character. What this is all about is how well you can portray different physiological and psychological states. The thing that Keaton did well was, was the split persona that he had; Kilmer didn't, Clooney certainly didn't but Bale did it fairly well. (But not as good as Keaton in my opinion).
Keaton employed his comedy/theatre roots in the role, and if you watch his mirrored portrayl of Batman/BW, you can see how well he has crafted each individual character, and fused them into an almost Jeckyll and Hyde, Vaudevillian type character. 

I could talk at length as to why Ben Affleck is a great choice as Batman, he was in the running before Bale, and I can see why they did choose him. As I have said, watch Argo, watch how his character shifts in dimensions from one-to-another and you can see why he has been chosen. Watch Paycheck, and see how well he took the role on in that film, see how he struggles with the dynamism of his characters needs and wants. Watch Hollywoodland, see how he plays the suave, yet alternatively troubled George Reeves, who was the first Superman (Funnily Enough). Watch him portray Jack Ryan in Sum of All Fears, a cruelly underrated film at best...

I can't even begin to express how much Ben Affleck's career has almost certainly led up to this, (Even if it has been a rickety one).

And as for him being the Hollywood choice, he really isn't a Hollywood choice. He isn't a product of Hollywood and is most definitely on the fringes of Hollywood at best. When you talk about a Hollywood actor, you are essentially talking about the likes of Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise (to an extent), Arnie (of old), Robert Downey Jr, Adam Sandler, Di Caprio (again, he is debatable of late), Wahlberg could even be said as being Hollywood, Channing Tatum and The Rock are even climbing the upper echleons of "Leading Hollywood Stars". But essentially, the Hollywood choice would have been a leading man, who has the ability to actually plau a Leading Man. Someone who they can market along with the film, someone whose face can go on the front cover of a DVD.

Affleck hasn't really been that Hollywood leading man. Sure, he has been in leading roles in films, and he's been in a few blockbusters like Pearl Harbour and The Sum of All Fears (Which see's him take on another fairly big character in Jack Ryan). But his form, with regards to "Hollywood", has been rickety at best. His finest performances could be said to have been in moderately financed indie films, like Dogma, Argo, Chasing Amy and thingio.

I think he is a very, very good choice indeed. He's a very safe choice and it makes good, sound sense to me. Still though, I do wonder why he has accepted the role, because he is successfully carving himself out a career as an allround indie director/actor. (and doing a bloody good job about it too). It does make me wonder, it makes me wonder a lot as to why he would choose the role. I mean, who wouldn't accept the role of Batman, I know I would. But with playing in Daredevil, and getting slated for his portrayal; then going on the path that he has, it almost feels a bit like a back step, in one sense or another.

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing how Affleck will take on the role, even more than I was... apprehensive about Bale's portrayal. I think he has seriously matured over the past decade, and he has managed to shake off that poster boy image that he so easily slipped into in the late 90's. Anyone who has hang-up's about him as a person, look at some of the charity work that he has done. Also you might want to see the THR Directors panel from last year, he seems like a nice, down-to-earth bloke, just happy to be doing what he is doing. 

Good fucking luck to him, I hope he wipes the frown off all the "Batman Fans", crying into their Comic Books and snuggling up to their Batman emblazoned pillow.

I hope he gets his mate, Matt Damon on board to play the Joker. Now that would be an excellent little coup.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #156 on: August 23, 2013, 06:00:30 pm »
Too young, they want an older than Superman Batman, so he can kick the living shit out of him and teach him a fucking lesson he wont forget.

For him to remember his hand at his throat.

Also with JGL, as with casting Bale as Batman, it connects the two universes, and it wouldnt work.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #158 on: August 23, 2013, 06:18:21 pm »
Dude citing Sum of All Fears, a movie that killed Jack Ryan for 11 years, and Paycheck, a movie that completely and utterly convinced anyone that saw it that Affleck is a terrible action hero does not work.

He's got more bad than good on his cv, and while there's definitely been a upswing in quality, it's not been because he's suddenly grown into the roles he's playing, he's playing roles that fit his talents. Playing a middle aged CIA agent and a dim witted criminal from Boston don't exactly lead him into playing someone completely different.

I think the biggest criticisms aren't even to do with his acting ability as much as the fact that he's just a big soft bastard with no sense of menace and he has a babyface.
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Re: Superman/Batman film coming 2015
« Reply #159 on: August 23, 2013, 06:24:32 pm »


Honestly, I have no doubts that he can play Batman. Visually, he is perfect.

Menace? People had this reservation over Keaton, Ledger, even Bale. I think he will be fine, just because we've never seen him play that role doesnt mean he cant. As long as he leaves out the Bale voice "WHUUURZ THE TRIGGUR?" he will nail it.
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