Topic: FSG Thread

[El Lobo]

Now clearly, I'm as happy as anyone that this particular thread has been closed. Joyous in fact.

However....just wondering if it might be an idea to re-open it.....? If only to funnel the absolutely insane amounts of posts criticising the owners into one place. I've got a horrible feeling over the next three or four days we're going to get a LOT of press about Coutinho, Klopp, FSG, not being backed, going back on the idea that he has control over transfers, VVD, Keita, transfers, scouting etc etc. We're going to get a lot of dirty tricks from his rat of an agent over the next three weeks, I dare say there'll be lines fed to the press about the manager being annoyed with the owners or vice versa (there's utter shite appearing on twitter already) and it'd be nice for the pre and post match threads and players threads being about that rather than tin foil hat wearers moaning about what they're being fed in the press.

[ToneLa]

Counterpoint - I don't think FSG have done much wrong so far that hasn't already been said, the window is still open.

The FSG thread ends up really cyclical anyway, the same old arguments and posters circle it like a drain (we've both banged our heads on some of the weird & tired agendas it brings up, Lobo!)

I understand about the negative posts swamping everything, but nominating any one thread for them will funnel them into it like a toxic waste dump. I suppose it's whether it's better / easier having lots of spread out posts with individual rules enforced per thread (like no FSG in the Coutinho thread), or one big dump for all these negative posts.

I get what you want and I absolutely think it would be nicer to have threads that aren't just full of kneejerk negativity and overreaction that gets passed up to the business end of the club for footballing decisions... but to me that's more of a culture thing (and not just RAWK culture, it's footie / modern culture - Twitter is downright embarassing after we don't win a match) and we would probably just end up with more toxicity with one particularly horrible thread being a particular dumping ground.

My 2 cents

[Reeves]

Our owners care about money not success and their shambolic transfer window so far needs questions asked of them. If we fail to capitalise on another CL qualification it's negligence of the highest order. We'll not go anywhere with FSG. We need to be able to discuss them in a thread.

[Chakan]

Our owners care about money not success and their shambolic transfer window so far needs questions asked of them. If we fail to capitalise on another CL qualification it's negligence of the highest order. We'll not go anywhere with FSG. We need to be able to discuss them in a thread.

Your post just perfectly encapsulates why there shouldn't be a FSG thread.

[Kopite B205]

Your post just perfectly encapsulates why there shouldn't be a FSG thread.

How dare there be a thread and discussion on our owners.

[ToneLa]

How dare there be a thread and discussion on our owners.

There has been for years and it gets out of control IMO, see my post above for my tuppence worth.

But: All people want to do at the moment is discuss transfer gripes....

Exhibit A

Our owners care about money not success and their shambolic transfer window so far

For which there is a whoooooole forum.

I doubt it's about censorship, having spent a lot of time in that thread and seen every discussion possible, nothing was censored... so don't play that card. You've gotten a whole forum to discuss what is current; there's no FSG news to discuss anyway (I do look) so God knows what else there is to discuss; what's one thread to a whole forum for the transfer window?

[Reeves]

There has been for years and it gets out of control IMO, see my post above for my tuppence worth.

But: All people want to do at the moment is discuss transfer gripes....

Exhibit A

For which there is a whoooooole forum.

I doubt it's about censorship, having spent a lot of time in that thread and seen every discussion possible, nothing was censored... so don't play that card. You've gotten a whole forum to discuss what is current; there's no FSG news to discuss anyway (I do look) so God knows what else there is to discuss; what's one thread to a whole forum for the transfer window?

So we can't discuss FSG in the transfer forum.
We can't discuss FSG in the LFC forum.
Why can't we discuss FSG and the damage they are doing to our club? Shall we all just stick our fingers in our ears and our hands over our eyes?
What's it like surrounded by candy floss and care bears?

[Thoros Of Myr]

Lads its grand.

Ignore our bench of under 23's. Don't be so negative. We can still compete.

[ToneLa]

Reeves, I'm not answering you because 1) I'm not a mod, I'm just saying my own understanding of why it's locked and why I agree with it, and 2)

What's it like surrounded by candy floss and care bears?

Is a bit too close to you having a go at me personally because you want something you can't have and I see the logic in it.

Ask a mod! Or wait for one to come in! Or post elsewhere! I've asked them to look at this thread.

v  This thread is in the feedback section of RAWK yknow. I'm more Plugg...

[Pistolero]

Ask a mod! ..I've asked them to look at this thread.

[John C]

So we can't discuss FSG in the transfer forum.
We can't discuss FSG in the LFC forum.
Why can't we discuss FSG and the damage they are doing to our club? Shall we all just stick our fingers in our ears and our hands over our eyes?
What's it like surrounded by candy floss and care bears?

If there's an open discussion about FSG presently I reckon most people engaging will have a single agenda and it won't quite contextualise our present situation which may be completely different in 2-weeks. I suggest we leave it to an appropriate time. I haven't conferred with the other Mods and perhaps someone may think there's a debate to have right now. I think it's premature personally

[Alan_X]

It's fucking boring. You can search posts by the usual names going back years with the same old garbage. Or rather the ever-changing garbage.

'They're a hedge fund, they won't be here long'.

'Only interested in the money,  they'll be off once the first decent bid comes in...'

'Only interested in the money, the stadium expansion is all bollocks and it'll never actually happen...'

And so on, and so on...

There are interesting things to discuss about the current owners but it's drowned out by the same fucking evidence free shite anytime anyone tries to have a sensible discussion.

People who can't even be arsed to learn the difference between a hedge fund and a sports investment business. People who keep fucking banging on about FSG wanting the cash for players when they don't take dividends.
People who go through all sorts of gymnastics to explain why we've broken our transfer record this season and are clearly trying to smash it with bids of £50 - £70 million. Or why they've turned down crazy bids for Coutinho wth no idea if Barca will come back in higher.

It's the fact that pretty much everything is a moan with absolute confidence about what FSG won't be doing in the future. Confidence that is never shaken by the fact that their predictions are proven to be bollocks over and over again. 

It's tiresome and the mods have better things to do. 

[Johnny Foreigner]

Is it allowed to discuss the performance of Michael Edwards; and the reason why we ended up with the net balance of : Salah in; Couthino on the sideline; in spite of having loads of cash and the extra burden of playing CL-football ?

[CraigDS]

Is it allowed to discuss the performance of Michael Edwards; and the reason why we ended up with the net balance of : Salah in; Couthino on the sideline; in spite of having loads of cash and the extra burden of playing CL-football ?

Has the window closed without me knowing or something? Did his performance make Barcelona fuck up planning for Neymars exit and bid for Coutinho?

This is the sort of shite which makes me glad it's not open at the moment.

[Alan_X]

Is it allowed to discuss the performance of Michael Edwards; and the reason why we ended up with the net balance of : Salah in; Couthino on the sideline; in spite of having loads of cash and the extra burden of playing CL-football ?

What is there to discuss? That's the point. It's premature. Getting angry about what might happen.

The window closes in two weeks at which point we'll actually have something to discuss. There are plenty of things to get angry about around the world. It's the manufactured anger that's so boring. 

And even if the window does turn out as you suggest, most of us still will have no idea exactly what happened. You say you want to talk about Edwards and Coutinho. What do you know exactly? It's pretty clear that the timing of Coutinho's decision to push for a move was directly related to the unprecedented transfer fee paid by PSG to activate Neymar's release clause. Barcelona didn't foresee it so how the fuck is Edwards implicated?

The interesting thing to do and what this place is best at when it does it, is for someone to take the facts, sift the evidence and put together a thought-provoking OP that generates a discussion. BabaYagu's Hoffenheim round table is a perfect example.

Does the world really need another ten, twenty people telling the world that 'Moreno is shit'? Or that 'FSG are only in it for the money'.

Do a bit of work. Write something interesting about FSG when the window's closed. Do a piece on the investment model that FSG and other foreign investors are using. It's clearly not the cardboard cutout bollocks that is usually spouted by their detractors. People might engage and you might educate people.

[Alan_X]

Locked.