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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2015, 02:35:02 am »
Very much doubt Bayern or Arsenal have anywhere near as many fans as us actually

Bayern maybe Arsenal definitely around the globe they do, mostly in North America and Africa. You are underestimating Arsenal's global appeal they got good when the premier league was really blowing up in the late 90's. Bayern of course have all the rich German fans and basically have had that league to themselves for decades. Yes they screwed up and other teams have won but their long term dominance hasn't really been challenged.

In the United Kingdom Liverpool are second to only Man Utd, globally it is a different story. Chelsea have a shit tonne of fans as well.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2015, 02:36:36 am »
On the re-sale point. Luis Alberto & Aspas are evidence of that strategy.

They are still contracted to us.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2015, 02:47:50 am »
They are still contracted to us.
And?

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2015, 02:51:46 am »
How can you possibly talk of their resale strategy when contracted to us?

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2015, 02:53:26 am »
Chelsea have a shit tonne of fans as well.

They aren't even the biggest supported club in London, never mind globally.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2015, 02:59:07 am »
How can you possibly talk of their resale strategy when contracted to us?
I'm not stating it as a FACT kinki. It's my opinion. How it isn't anyone else's opinion though? It's pretty obvious.
Buy players below market value. Don't give them any regular time in the 1st team, loan them out & sell them for a profit.
If anyone disagrees. Fine. Time will tell.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2015, 03:28:26 am »
On the re-sale point. Luis Alberto & Aspas are evidence of that strategy. However Chelsea are doing it to the extreme. No one is criticizing them for it.
The article is extremely poor. Like our transfer window. The fact is FSG have made efforts to resign all our best talent. Increase income to compete. Invested top talent in the youth team. FSG are playing the long game, while the author of the article is having a tantrum screaming "I want it now"!
Support the team & the club & accept the process of building the club back to where it belongs will take time.
There will be & has been stumbles both on & off the field but that's life. Be patient.

And if the ~£15m spent on Luis Alberto/Aspas was thrown towards a good player rather than "future reinvestment/profit" we might be sitting here premier league champions right now.

"Support the team and the club" sounds like a statement to try and quiet any disagreement. I'll support Rodgers and the players, that's who I was brought up to back, not the billionaire owners. Especially when they're mugging the fans for every penny they can at every corner, pricing out reds who've been going the game for decades and refusing to speak to fans until protest was threatened, whilst telling us about doing things "the right way".

FSG are businessmen, they want to make a profit over the long term, the question has to be asked how much they want the fans to enjoy it whilst they're here as well, right now I don't see much ambition to compete with the best as the article points out.

Now it feels were in line to become the next Porto/Ajax, creating superstars for the top clubs and accepting our place down the table as they're sold on for a profit. If you want to succeed in football it's not about doing the bare minimum and making a profit at the end of the year, you've got to show you're serious.

We reached the CL last year, it was our perfect chance to show our ambition, to solidify ourselves in europes elite again. But it felt like the club had little interest in that, they were happy to go and buy 8 players who might be worth more money in 3 years time, meanwhile our rivals sorted the problems they have now and raced ahead whilst we fumbled, and lost the £50m+ CL money.

It was time to stick or twist, and FSG worried about spreadsheet numbers decided to stick and we will pay the consequences
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2015, 03:33:53 am »
It's pretty obvious that the only player we've come close to doing this with is ilori and it's dependant on us actually selling him for more than we bought him for. 

Aspas was 25 when we bought him, not some kid to be loaned out, he spent a full season sitting on his arse cos he was a massive step down from Suarez and sturridge, he's back in Spain as we try and drum up interest in another unsuccessful signing.

Rinse and repeat for Coates, Alberto, borini, who are still contracted to us. And assaidi who left for peanuts.

I don't mind the policy of buying young, but the balance is wrong, too many and there is the danger as barret said that you become a glorified academy, a stepping stone, unless you use buying young to help offset the price of buying ready made. 

We had the excuse that the best players didn't want to sign for us cos of a lack of champions league footy and we got it and bought another bunch of kids.

The manager has one hand tied behind his back, he's asked for ready made players, it feels like anything we achieved last season or this, is in spite of fsg and there 'we will not over spend' policy, not because of it.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2015, 03:42:10 am »
It could be a lie, or it could be a television producer's naivete in not knowing what "resources in football" actually might entail.

They'd been Liverpool owners for 18 months at that point and were about to sack their second manager. I'd hope by that point one of our board would understand what resources in football were
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2015, 03:46:33 am »
Agree with most of that. The transfer strategy drives me insane!! So the plan is to buy a Coutinho for £8 million then sell him for a huge profit? Here's a thought, why don't we keep him?!?! We've become a feeder club. Last year won't happen very often, there's not many Luis Suarez's in this world who can carry a team like he did.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2015, 03:50:50 am »
They'd been Liverpool owners for 18 months at that point and were about to sack their second manager. I'd hope by that point one of our board would understand what resources in football were

You'd think! :D

The evidence is continually redoubtable though.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2015, 04:05:09 am »
So the plan is to buy a Coutinho for £8 million then sell him for a huge profit?

Nope. It's not actually. Not sure where you got that idea ??

Here's a thought, why don't we keep him?!?!

Great idea. It sounds like exactly what we are fucking doing!!!!

We've become a feeder club.

Sure we have. Feeding small minded anti-establishment conspiracy theorists, which a dish of sensibility that they don't know how to deal with.

Oh btw... hey, remember that time we came closer to winning the league than we had in decades, scored the most goals we ever had in a season, and from memory the most points in the premier league era? Must have been in our late 80s glory days right? No... oh it was last year. Not bad for a feeder club

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2015, 04:06:30 am »
But you could also argue they have overspent. Lallana, Lovren, Markovic & Balotelli. They paid more than what their value actually was.
They went after Sanchez but the reason there seems location & Wenger.
Would FSG be getting criticism if Gerrard hadn't got sent off against United & we beat them? Or if Sturridge wasn't crippled by injuries? Or if we had a league title from last season? Management have made efforts to resign all of our talent & Rodgers. The criticism should be at the transfer committee. The problem is no individual takes responsibility. Should FSG be criticised for having a transfer committee? Absolutely.
The whole point of the transfer committee was to be clever in the transfer market so we could compete with Chelsea, City, Arsenal & United. They just weren't very clever though were they?
There is a difference between intent to be successful & execution . Unfortunately the author of the article is implying intent is the issue. It's not. It's the execution of it.
Pop & others have argued that one man should be in charge of transfers. Rodgers. They went the Comolli route & guess what? The execution was poor. FSG changed their policy because of that.
Let's wait & see if they continue with the same strategy or change it up again if their current strategy continues to be poorly executed.
But then if the execution continues to be poor then criticize them for failing to execute not for showing a lack of ambition.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2015, 04:12:22 am »
I kinda liked when John Henry came out saying Arsenal actually met Suarez's release clause, and he just refused to sell him anyway. Bit foolish to reveal, but it showed something.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2015, 04:44:44 am »
Very much doubt Bayern or Arsenal have anywhere near as many fans as us actually
Agreed. I live in Thailand and if I wander around town (up country off the tourist trail) I'll see a good forty or so Liverpool tops worn by locals before I'll see anyone with an Arsenal top on. Apart from expat Germans I've never seen a Thai national in a Bayern top here for that matter.

We have gigantic worldwide support and unless you live off the beaten track a long way from Liverpool like me it's very easy to be unaware of the sheer scale of our support.

It always makes me laugh when I see reports in the UK media comparing our global appeal with the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea. Only Man Utd and ourselves have a huge global fanbase. The rest are light years behind.

While I think about someone said 80,000 fans turned up to watch us in Australia. In fact it was 94,500 at the MCG - a record for a football match in Australia. And when we played Man City pre-season in New York the crowd was about 99% composed of Liverpool supporters. It was the same when we played Spurs in Baltimore a couple of years ago. But according to some people we're a second tier club in global support. You have to laugh

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2015, 04:57:36 am »
No we didnt try hard enough to get Sanchez or Costa.

Our owners said we would challenge in the transfer market but we can't as we don't want to pay the big wages.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2015, 05:08:11 am »
Agreed. I live in Thailand and if I wander around town (up country off the tourist trail) I'll see a good forty or so Liverpool tops worn by locals before I'll see anyone with an Arsenal top on. Apart from expat Germans I've never seen a Thai national in a Bayern top here for that matter.

We have gigantic worldwide support and unless you live off the beaten track a long way from Liverpool like me it's very easy to be unaware of the sheer scale of our support.

It always makes me laugh when I see reports in the UK media comparing our global appeal with the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea. Only Man Utd and ourselves have a huge global fanbase. The rest are light years behind.

While I think about someone said 80,000 fans turned up to watch us in Australia. In fact it was 94,500 at the MCG - a record for a football match in Australia. And when we played Man City pre-season in New York the crowd was about 99% composed of Liverpool supporters. It was the same when we played Spurs in Baltimore a couple of years ago. But according to some people we're a second tier club in global support. You have to laugh

From what I understand Southeast Asia and Australia are about as good as it get's for Liverpool support, like I said Africa and North America is more spread out with Arsenal and Chelsea fans.

But these are just generalities and trends I've noticed, I don't think I or anyone on this thread can say for sure.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2015, 06:06:05 am »
Curious article. Disagree on stadium willy waving. Can argue the toss over transfer policy, but I'd suggest buying just the three players would have left us ridiculously short this season. The 'salary cap' is a hard one based on how much money the club takes in. But you can argue the toss around that whether X player deserves Y part of that. Barnes was moving to a club which regularly won league titles. We've not won the league in the lifetime of some of our support, and in more recent memory have struggled to even qualify for the Champions League. Comparisons to the Manchester clubs need to be made with comparisons on how much money they're taking in to pay over the odds to take players in.

It just seems misguided. Yes, nostalgia. And, yes, the modern game stinks in many, many ways. And the commercialism and endless chasing of every last corporate pound is ugly. But those aren't FSG's fault. They're playing the ownership game as it is.

Sorry, just, curious piece which seems more about disenchantment with the modern game and trying to tie it to the current owners. Which is fair enough if you're willing to address the consequences of heading away from the commercialism and bollocks.

Completely agree mate. Think these owners, on balance, are doing about as well as they could reasonably do.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2015, 06:12:18 am »
Completely agree mate. Think these owners, on balance, are doing about as well as they could reasonably do.

I actually think there's plenty of room for improvement in execution, I just believe the vision or philosophy they have is pretty much spot on

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2015, 06:37:38 am »
Completely agree mate. Think these owners, on balance, are doing about as well as they could reasonably do.

Well this is not good enough. It's like their signings just middle if the road .

Last summer was it for me with these, they're wankers. We are going nowhere with then. I'd love the club to be sold to some oil rich tycoon, I know that's not liked on here but it's the only way we can remotely compete.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2015, 06:41:19 am »
Completely agree mate. Think these owners, on balance, are doing about as well as they could reasonably do.
I actually think there's plenty of room for improvement in execution, I just believe the vision or philosophy they have is pretty much spot on
Lads, I think its best if you hop out of this thread - you're both clearly far too reasonable/level-headed for the discussion.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2015, 06:42:38 am »
No one was complaining this time last year.

Since then we spent a f**k tonne of cash havent we? The fact it wasn't done wisely is frustrating, but there's more to that than issues at the very top.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2015, 06:43:34 am »
Well this is not good enough. It's like their signings just middle if the road .

Last summer was it for me with these, they're wankers. We are going nowhere with then. I'd love the club to be sold to some oil rich tycoon, I know that's not liked on here but it's the only way we can remotely compete.

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« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2015, 06:49:01 am »
Lads, I think its best if you hop out of this thread - you're both clearly far too reasonable/level-headed for the discussion.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2015, 06:55:17 am »
Well this is not good enough. It's like their signings just middle if the road .

Last summer was it for me with these, they're wankers. We are going nowhere with then. I'd love the club to be sold to some oil rich tycoon, I know that's not liked on here but it's the only way we can remotely compete.

So basically, they're wankers because they're not actual wankers?

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2015, 06:57:02 am »
Tomkins' law states that you get what you pay for and our club is 5th on the league money list.

When the new Main Stand and Annie Road end are completed and we'll still only be Arsenal's equal for 4th.

Get a real parity rule in the league, as opposed to this FFP shite, and who knows?
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« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2015, 06:58:21 am »
In short, with this article, we've a prominent Spirit Of Shankly figure saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) that we should forget about building the club within our financial means, operate in the transfer market without any kind of eye on asset or resale value, and build a stadium with a capacity about 20,000 beyond what there's any reasonable demand for, with all concomitant cost. This 11 months after we came within inches of winning the league, when Man City put in a miraculous run of form to pip us at the post, slips and Crystal Palace demises or not. I can remember Neil Atkinson on TAW saying, "I'd love to see this side pitted against the likes of Bayern Munich". 11 months ago that.

I doubt anyone can argue about the issues of ticket prices or the creeping wankification of the game at every turn, not least the ground itself, but if one club suffers less than any other it's Liverpool. But beyond that, it reads a bit like a Spirit Of Shankly volte face to wishing for a sugar daddy with a magic wand.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2015, 06:59:19 am »
It's an interesting article. I agree with some things and not with others. At least were increasing capacity, we're getting better commercial deals to make us compete at that end which we haven't done in years. The problem is the the transfers, playing squad and fans. The Anfield crowd have been shit since rafa left, odd days it's been good but the last straw for me was going to Anfield when we played Palace (we won) and granted they have a good following but they fucking embarrassed us.

We don't have enough nasty motherfuckers in this team, a trait reflected in the manager. We had Suarez but we really missed a carragher personality. Strong, Aggressive, not afraid to get stuck in and that rubs off on other players. Right now we pussy out of every 50-50, even Henderson who likes to lead shits out.

All this rubs off onto the fans. Far too nice to the visitors. Manager far to nice with opposition managers.

I want us against the fucking world again. A siege mentality, I don't want to be liked,, be everyone's second favourite team, be nice to opposing players, managers, fans.

Sometimes I wish the club went fucking bust and we could start again. At least then I could take my kids,  right now there never getting into Anfield with the rest of the fucking tourists taking pictures with half and half fucking scarves on the steps of 305.

And any success, look who you have to fucking share it with, people who don't actually give a Fuck, feels completely hollow.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2015, 07:04:00 am »
It read like the author might have had a bad day and poured it all into a bleak doom black tale using Liverpool fc related phrases. Christopher Nolan should be in touch shortly.

Spend transfer money much, much better, manager and staff. Once they've done that, hit the limit, then come back and we'll talk about the owners. The owners are doing ok in running the club on the pitch and commercially. Now how interested they are in creating a solid local match going fanbase, reviewing ticket prices, the atmosphere...there are plenty of points to raise on these things, but you look around the league, a lot of the local fanbases seem to be having the same problems. If you're asking the owners to be exceptional people ahead of businessmen, that's unlikely to happen isn't it.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2015, 07:06:54 am »
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2015, 07:09:29 am »
Lads, I think its best if you hop out of this thread - you're both clearly far too reasonable/level-headed for the discussion.

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Gotta love the random assertion that anybody worried about the vision and direction of the club wants Rodgers out and isn't reasonable
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2015, 07:12:19 am »
It's an interesting article. I agree with some things and not with others. At least were increasing capacity, we're getting better commercial deals to make us compete at that end which we haven't done in years. The problem is the the transfers, playing squad and fans. The Anfield crowd have been shit since rafa left, odd days it's been good but the last straw for me was going to Anfield when we played Palace (we won) and granted they have a good following but they fucking embarrassed us.

We don't have enough nasty motherfuckers in this team, a trait reflected in the manager. We had Suarez but we really missed a carragher personality. Strong, Aggressive, not afraid to get stuck in and that rubs off on other players. Right now we pussy out of every 50-50, even Henderson who likes to lead shits out.

All this rubs off onto the fans. Far too nice to the visitors. Manager far to nice with opposition managers.

I want us against the fucking world again.
Sorry but that's rubbish. Skrtel & Gerrard have just got suspended for being nasty. The issue is quality. We miss Suarez because of his talent, not his nastiness.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2015, 07:14:53 am »
Sorry but that's rubbish. Skrtel & Gerrard have just got suspended for being nasty. The issue is quality. We miss Suarez because of his talent, not his nastiness.

No, stupidity not nastiness. Maybe nastiness was the wrong word but aggressive we are not. Stamping on someone after the ball is gone isnt what I meant.

We miss aggression, because if one or two are aggressive it rubs off on the others and that was what Gerrard tried to do before he got sent off. Obviously he was stupid after this tackle on Carrick to do that to Herrera but the point is we aren't aggressive. It's not in our nature with this set of players.

Gerrard tried to instill that with his first minute on the pitch. And to be fair it was the first tackle we fucking put in.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2015, 07:17:47 am »
No, stupidity not nastiness. Maybe nastiness was the wrong word but aggressive we are not. Stamping on someone after the ball is gone isnt what I meant.

Just to balance this and avoid pages of back and forth... :)

It's a spectrum. Perhaps we are at the "light touch" end of the spectrum too often. We probably need to be a bit more robust or even just "stronger". Even Barca at their peak with all their little technicians were pretty robust (and knew how to get the ref to stop opponents rough housing them).

So yeah, on the spectrum, we do need to be a bit more solid. Some of this will come with age/experience, some of it could be designed in. I felt that Rafa did this well. We had the best disciplinary record under him year on year, yet we had players like Carra and Sami and Masch and Didi making sure we weren't pushovers

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2015, 07:18:16 am »
Being aggressive is to do with the manager's instructions though. Nothing to do with FSG.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2015, 07:22:15 am »
Being aggressive is to do with the manager's instructions though. Nothing to do with FSG.

They hired the manager. Look Brendan is a great bloke, no controversy, well spoken, good for PR. Says the right things, wants to play good football. The ideal person FSG wanted. If they wanted success in theory they could of gone for someone else. But trophies isn't what FSG exist for. Profit and a good image is.

So what do FSG want, a good image on and off the field, attractive to watch and an attractive proposition for investment or success at any cost? The former and that's what we have. In many ways Brendan is undermined and under appreciated by the owners. He's seen as a manager who can develop young players and play good clean footballers. But give him a couple of ready made stars too. We've seen what he can do with the likes of Suarez and a fit Sturridge.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2015, 07:27:12 am »
They hired the manager. Look Brendan is a great bloke, no controversy, well spoken, good for PR. Says the right things, wants to play good football. The ideal person FSG wanted. Do they wanted success in theory they could of gone for someone else. But trophies isn't what FSG exist for. Profit and a good image is.
Trophies are better for both image & profit. What evidence is their that they don't care about trophies? The Red Sox are EVIDENCE that trophies do matter to them.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #77 on: April 10, 2015, 07:27:59 am »
Terrible article.

They're expanding Anfield to 60 k. Leaves us eternally behind. If we were building a new stadium and leaving Anfield there'd be far more up in arms.

And seriously, blaming the owners lack of ambition is a fucking cop out in our situation. We have the third highest spending in the division since they have taken over, and on average the 5th highest wage bill, yet we have finished in the top 4 once.

Yeah, they're completely unambitious and the target is to be like Arsenal, who have sold all their best players and churned out profits year on year while we regularly spend good amounts in the transfer window, only for it to be wasted by first Kenny and Comolli and now Rodgers and the committee.

Just fucking sort the transfers out. As a football club off the pitch, things are pretty fucking great. They've turned around the commercial side of things, Anfield is being redeveloped. We always have money to spend...sure its not insane amounts, but its more than enough to compete.

Seriously the blame it all on the owners is something thats stuck since the last ones we had. With them, it was actually true, while its far from with FSG, yet its an easy place for fans to misdirect their anger for what has been utter incompetence by Rodgers and the transfer committee in buying players, and that is the only big issue at the club at the minute.
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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2015, 07:28:27 am »
Trophies are better for both image & profit. What evidence is their that they don't care about trophies? The Red Sox are EVIDENCE that trophies do matter to them.

Kenny Dalglish and the look John Henry gave him after coming so close to an FA Cup.

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Re: Good article from TAW on FSG
« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2015, 07:30:22 am »
Terrible article.

They're expanding Anfield to 60 k. Leaves us eternally behind. If we were building a new stadium and leaving Anfield there'd be far more up in arms.

And seriously, blaming the owners lack of ambition is a fucking cop out in our situation. We have the third highest spending in the division since they have taken over, and on average the 5th highest wage bill, yet we have finished in the top 4 once.

Yeah, they're completely unambitious and the target is to be like Arsenal, who have sold all their best players and churned out profits year on year while we regularly spend good amounts in the transfer window, only for it to be wasted by first Kenny and Comolli and now Rodgers and the committee.

Just fucking sort the transfers out. As a football club off the pitch, things are pretty fucking great. They've turned around the commercial side of things, Anfield is being redeveloped. We always have money to spend...sure its not insane amounts, but its more than enough to compete.

Seriously the blame it all on the owners is something thats stuck since the last ones we had. With them, it was actually true, while its far from with FSG, yet its an easy place for fans to misdirect their anger for what has been utter incompetence by Rodgers and the transfer committee in buying players, and that is the only big issue at the club at the minute.

One could argue one of the major reasons it's going wrong in the transfer market right now is because largely were after young/undervalued players which is a strategy that comes from FSG
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