Where did I mention Klopp?
Haven't you heard? Top four, wage bills and balance sheets are where the glory and bragging rights are at these days. Who needs trophies, or giving credit to club legends? That shit is old school.
I would say your post above is an insinuation of the present situation at the club, therefore it includes the manager too. For some its enough to claim because Klopp doesn't moan about the "situation" that means he agrees with what FSG are doing. This is why this thread goes around and around all the time. You're either with "us" or you're on the side of FSG, whatever that is.
When the present manager came here, he didn't just come here to finish in the top four, the man is a winner. The argument you use above is something a number of fans use today, as proof of what they see is a lack of ambition by various clubs. I don't think its as simple as that, because whether you like it or not, fighting constantly against the likes of Chelsea, City and United is never going to be an easy challenge. If it was everyone would be doing it. If you don't have owners like theirs, you have to find different ways of competing. It's the basic lack of people accepting that simple point that can get annoying to others.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion naturally nothing wrong there. But I hate the muddying of waters that happen with a lot of these posts. I've said before Al can argue in a good way, and sometimes I can agree with him. But then he goes off on one like he has on the last few posts, and suddenly his arguments don't seem so concrete anymore.
Last point. We all know there has always been a section of our fanbase which has a habit of turning on managers. I have no love of those who turned on Kenny or drove Rafa out, and doubtless they will be the same ones, who drive the present guy out too, if he doesn't do what they want. But how does this particular thread contribute positively? You have people saying things like because he doesn't speak out he is somehow letting down the club, or at least implying that. The fact is none of us truly know the facts, the only ones who do are the ones in the middle of it. Everything else is just an opinion, that's all. All I am asking is please don't insinuate things if you haven't got the means of proving it beyond doubt. Anything else is blatantly unfair to the person concerned.