Author Topic: The England Cricket Thread - 2024 (Read 639176 times)

Yosser0_0 · « **Reply #80 on:** July 9, 2020, 12:56:47 pm »

Quote from: Welshred on July 9, 2020, 12:46:43 pm

I don't like this being characterised as an England collapse, I don't think it recognises just how good the WI's have been bowling.

Aye, certainly doesn't look like a 400 run pitch at the moment.

bradders1011 · « **Reply #81 on:** July 9, 2020, 01:26:54 pm »

Stat on TMS earlier that Burns is the first England opener to get 1000 runs in tests since Cook did it, which is probably 12/13 years ago now.

That's astonishingly bad and hints at bad coaching.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #82 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:05:30 pm »

Holder is brilliant. Good skipper, excellent bowler and good reviewer.

Robinred · « **Reply #83 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:08:56 pm »

Good to see the Windies on the up. World cricket needs a strong W.I test team.

Elzar · « **Reply #84 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:22:38 pm »

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Holder averages 11.80 in his last 10 Tests. No bowler has averaged less than 13 over a 10-Test period since Tony Lock in the 1950s. Other than him the only other bowler since the First World War to have done it is Jim Laker.

The guys on fire. Cutting through the English batters.

Bangin Them In · « **Reply #85 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:23:57 pm »

Yes great to see the West Indies like this, fast bowlers steaming in

Hit out or get out England, use some of these conditions today, weather starts to turn tomorrow, batting much easier

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #86 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:35:57 pm »

Quite like Joseph’s action too. Very athletic looking fast bowler, maybe needs a pound or 2 more muscle but he generates very easy pace. Should keep him going for a long while.

rawcusk8 · « **Reply #87 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:37:25 pm »

Would be good to see the Windies batsman put up a good score to make a real test match, don’t want to see one sided drubbings, so far the bowlers have done a great job, hopefully the batsmen follow suit.

Kekule · « **Reply #88 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:40:10 pm »

So do you reckon Anderson, Wood and Archer will have just as much fun this evening, or will they bowl too short and disappear to all corners?

Durlmints · « **Reply #89 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:46:17 pm »

Beautifully timed but straight to the sweeper

Welshred · « **Reply #90 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:47:40 pm »

Quote from: Durlmints on July 9, 2020, 03:46:17 pm

Beautifully timed but straight to the sweeper

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #91 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:49:07 pm »

Quote from: Durlmints on July 9, 2020, 03:46:17 pm

Beautifully timed but straight to the sweeper

What a way to spend a few weeks that was

Elzar · « **Reply #92 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:50:07 pm »

Quote from: Kekule on July 9, 2020, 03:40:10 pm

So do you reckon Anderson, Wood and Archer will have just as much fun this evening, or will they bowl too short and disappear to all corners?

Test cricket IS BACK!

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #93 on:** July 9, 2020, 03:52:42 pm »

Good work from Bess in particular and Jimmy here. Something to bowl at at least. Windies stronger suit is clearly their bowling so this may yet be a half decent score.

Feels like Holder is only good against us but seeing that stat above he’s obviously done well against others recently too. Fair play.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #94 on:** July 9, 2020, 04:40:36 pm »

Umpires aren't covering themselves in glory. 3 bad uns and they've all been against the West Indies. Good reviewers at least.

Kekule · « **Reply #95 on:** July 9, 2020, 04:56:58 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on July 9, 2020, 04:40:36 pm

Umpires aren't covering themselves in glory. 3 bad uns and they've all been against the West Indies. Good reviewers at least.

They’re English umpires as well, so they’re (not intentionally, I’m sure) maintaining the case for neutral umpires.

Kekule · « **Reply #96 on:** July 9, 2020, 05:01:03 pm »

Chris Read looks like Fenella the Witch from Chorlton and The Wheelies.

Sangria · « **Reply #97 on:** July 9, 2020, 05:08:13 pm »

Quote from: Kekule on July 9, 2020, 05:01:03 pm

Chris Read looks like Fenella the Witch from Chorlton and The Wheelies.

For a moment I thought you were saying that Read is one of the umpires. Who is the most recently playing Test cricketer to be a Test umpire?

Kekule · « **Reply #98 on:** July 9, 2020, 05:12:33 pm »

Quote from: Sangria on July 9, 2020, 05:08:13 pm

For a moment I thought you were saying that Read is one of the umpires. Who is the most recently playing Test cricketer to be a Test umpire?

Has Paul Rieffel umpired a test match? If so I’d say him.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #99 on:** July 9, 2020, 05:16:41 pm »

Quote from: Kekule on July 9, 2020, 05:12:33 pm

Has Paul Rieffel umpired a test match? If so I’d say him.

I think Dharmasena might be more recent.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #100 on:** July 9, 2020, 05:18:05 pm »

Another shocker. The fuck are they playing at here? They're not even close to umpire call. They're either crashing into the stumps, pitching outside leg or missing by an inch.

Welshred · « **Reply #101 on:** July 9, 2020, 05:18:53 pm »

Wow. Seems like we've been lucky not having English umpires...

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #102 on:** July 9, 2020, 05:21:29 pm »

What's that saying? Fifth time lucky I think. A poor review in hindsight but when they've been that bad how can you have confidence in their decisions?

voodoo ray · « **Reply #103 on:** July 10, 2020, 09:47:42 am »

weather looks sunny today so expect them to bat all day and build up a massive lead.

to be fair they've helped out a lot by agreeing to even fulfil this tour so letting them win is very hospitable.

Kekule · « **Reply #104 on:** July 10, 2020, 11:59:47 am »

100-1. Trail by 104.

West Indies looking by far the better in every department so far.

England are seemingly slow starters in every series these days.

Kekule · « **Reply #105 on:** July 10, 2020, 12:01:04 pm »

...and a wicket off a no-ball.

All the greatest hits are coming out.

El Lobo · « **Reply #106 on:** July 10, 2020, 12:01:58 pm »

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #107 on:** July 10, 2020, 12:11:39 pm »

Quote from: Kekule on July 10, 2020, 11:59:47 am

100-1. Trail by 104.

West Indies looking by far the better in every department so far.

England are seemingly slow starters in every series these days.

I can understand the batsmen being rusty having had no time in the middle at all. Less excuses for the bowlers though I’d say.

Kekule · « **Reply #108 on:** July 10, 2020, 12:21:25 pm »

Liquorice all sorts being bowled. Like they just want to have a try of everything after the lay off instead of trying to do one or two things well.

RobinHood · « **Reply #109 on:** July 10, 2020, 01:39:40 pm »

I’ve been a bit disappointed with the umpiring, whenever I watch other teams and the coverage normally says that our umpires are the best of the elite panel, unfortunately they haven’t shown it so far.

There hasn’t been any real Joel Wilson style shockers but they’ve been overturned in the Windies favour a lot.

Yosser0_0 · « **Reply #110 on:** July 10, 2020, 03:06:39 pm »

Decent economy from Archer but still no wicket. Anderson as ever has just been class.

Kekule · « **Reply #111 on:** July 10, 2020, 03:08:41 pm »

Quote from: RobinHood on July 10, 2020, 01:39:40 pm

I’ve been a bit disappointed with the umpiring, whenever I watch other teams and the coverage normally says that our umpires are the best of the elite panel, unfortunately they haven’t shown it so far.

There hasn’t been any real Joel Wilson style shockers but they’ve been overturned in the Windies favour a lot.

To be fair to them they’ve not been out in the middle for several months either. Perhaps there might be a case that they need to get their eyes back in too?

I dunno, I’m not an umpire.

Welshred · « **Reply #112 on:** July 10, 2020, 03:38:38 pm »

Quote from: Yosser0_0 on July 10, 2020, 03:06:39 pm

Decent economy from Archer but still no wicket. Anderson as ever has just been class.

Decent economy is the only thing you can say has been good about Archer's bowling, he's even down in the mid 80s for the vast majority of his balls as well which is not what I'd be wanting from him. Wood has been just as disappointing too but quicker. England doing what the West Indies didn't and bowling back of a length and not letting the ball talk.

Bess has bowled well too I feel.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #113 on:** July 10, 2020, 03:47:38 pm »

Archer and Wood aren't the right bowlers in England. Out and out pace is really not a necessity in these kind of conditions, they're better just wheeled out in Australia and maybe New Zealand. Wood in particular is just bowling nonsense, straight up and down slightly short of a length. What's the point bowling 90 odd miles an hour if they're always on the back foot and not worried about you swinging it.

Welshred · « **Reply #114 on:** July 10, 2020, 03:53:48 pm »

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but one of Woakes or Broad would have been much more suited to this wicket than Archer/Wood.

Kekule · « **Reply #115 on:** July 10, 2020, 05:01:15 pm »

Another bad one from the umpire. Looked stone dead to me, given not out, review shows it was indeed plumb.

Windies 6 down, lead by 60.

Legs · « **Reply #116 on:** July 10, 2020, 05:01:54 pm »

Broad should have played its that simple been our best bowler last 18 months.

It seems like the decision to bat was a computer one what the computer csnt tell you is conditions or overheads.

Smith might have had a say as well with the Ashes being 18 months away hence 2 quicks playing i've watched Wood quite abit and im not convinced he is our Cummins.

In saying all the above our batting is simply not good enough lots of 20-30's but that not win you many matches.

Welshred · « **Reply #117 on:** July 10, 2020, 05:04:19 pm »

If we picked Archer for his pace then it was misplaced. Broad would be bowling quicker than him right now. If looks like his effort balls are reaching 85mph with the majority at 83.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #118 on:** July 10, 2020, 05:09:54 pm »

Quote from: Legs on July 10, 2020, 05:01:54 pm

Broad should have played its that simple been our best bowler last 18 months.

It seems like the decision to bat was a computer one what the computer csnt tell you is conditions or overheads.

Smith might have had a say as well with the Ashes being 18 months away hence 2 quicks playing i've watched Wood quite abit and im not convinced he is our Cummins.

In saying all the above our batting is simply not good enough lots of 20-30's but that not win you many matches.

Yeah, in what was likely to be a low scoring game and in seam friendly conditions I think you have to pick Broad (and possibly Woakes) in your attack, although I can see why they want to look at Archer and Wood together at some point.

As for the batting, how many established Test class players do we have? Only really Root and Stokes and obviously Stokes and Root isn’t around.

On a separate note I wish we could ‘sign’ Keane Roach to play for England. Imagine a team with Stokes, Foakes, Woakes and Roach.

Welshred · « **Reply #119 on:** July 10, 2020, 06:15:31 pm »

Quite a big lead for WI.

Play can go through to about 7.15 I believe so this hour will shape the result of the game completely. Imperative we get through it unscathed.