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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27240 on: November 25, 2021, 11:45:01 pm »
By all I am hearing they are bringing in a top expert for his plan, does this mean the 'united' way is officially dead now I wonder.
of course not numbnuts the united way has just changed now so its a german guy. it used to be a scottish guy and before that the united way was a chesire guy
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27241 on: November 26, 2021, 12:39:04 am »
of course not numbnuts the united way has just changed now so its a german guy. it used to be a scottish guy and before that the united way was a chesire guy

Exactly, pal. The United Way is sacking managers.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27242 on: November 26, 2021, 01:20:06 am »
I believe this is the same guy who managed Schalk when they were battered by the Mancs in the 2010/2011 UCL semi final, in which was one of the most spineless semi final displays i've witnessed.

Not worried at all.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27243 on: November 26, 2021, 01:27:43 am »
it's a good appointment long term (he's openly stated he's not really interested in being a manager these days) IF they listen to him over there

being a consultant is 'one vote', that's it, their board is shite from a football perspective it all comes down to how much power and say they allow him to have and if they buy into RR re-structuring their club from top down

with that lot i can see the tagged on two year consultancy being just the honey to get him to take on the interim post - he turned them down on monday (presumably the upstairs move was the sticking point) - will be interesting to see how all this plays out once the season is over
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27244 on: November 26, 2021, 01:34:52 am »
Gets job

Does really well - huge surge, unbeaten run, does well in CL

Gets permanent contract

Puts feet up and it all turns to shit
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27245 on: November 26, 2021, 01:36:29 am »
Saw some manc on twitter say that we have the pupil and they have the sensei.  :lmao

I think they're smoking some sensei over there.

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I love the fact that they just never learn.  :D
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27246 on: November 26, 2021, 01:51:16 am »
So lemme get this right,  Rolf is the Pre-interim short term consultant dof manager/coach in charge of cultural restoration continuity and footballing basics foundational work, inside a click positive commercially oriented social network framework featuring a multi layered sponsorship grid aimed at driving shareholder value in a sustainable and progressive dividend friendly manner?

Must have been a hell of a powerpoint slide show.

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« Reply #27247 on: November 26, 2021, 01:51:23 am »
None of their frontline or midfield bar Sancho is ready for Gegenpressing.  Cristiano will ask for a transfer ASAP. ;D

Somebody claimed that they had realised their plan and it related to a connection with a managerial target, more likely he's there to try and clear the decks of some of the bigger mistakes like Ronaldo so the new guy doesn't have to take any flak from their idiot fans for making an obviously necessary move.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27248 on: November 26, 2021, 02:15:35 am »
The laziest team in the league appointing a manager (even if only interim) known for gegenpressing, this should be fun.

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« Reply #27249 on: November 26, 2021, 02:34:30 am »
Imagine Maguire having to play in a really high back line  ;D ;D
And De Gea will be not move off that goal line also. It a huge mismatch of what the coach will want and the players.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27250 on: November 26, 2021, 02:52:01 am »
Imagine Maguire having to play in a really high back line  ;D ;D

And De Gea will be not move off that goal line also. It a huge mismatch of what the coach will want and the players.

Could end up with Carrick's second stint as Interim before the end of the season  ;D

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« Reply #27251 on: November 26, 2021, 03:29:11 am »
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27252 on: November 26, 2021, 04:22:15 am »
It’s a step towards having an actual plan and some structure at the club.

I can see why 6months as manager makes sense. This season already looks like a write off, top managers probably aren't available until the summer and it’s a bigger job than just getting a new manager in. So let Ralf come in, see what’s what, ready to get stuff done in the summer.

The 2 year consultancy part is odd though. You need him running things as DOF, and for longer than 2 years given where they’re at. Instead it sounds like he’ll be passing on handy hints and advice to Darren Fletcher for him to mull over, and trying to convince the board that they need actual footballers rather than human emojis.

Unless Utd think it’s too soon to sack another “club legend” and Fletcher will be gone in the summer with Ralf taking over as DOF. That could work.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27253 on: November 26, 2021, 04:39:44 am »
Rangnick would be fantastic at United if they had seven or eight different first team players.  What the fuck is he supposed to do with Ronaldo ?  What sort of defensive line does he employ with Maguire ?

He'll get the best out of Sancho and Rashford but half that squad will be at odds with him.

It'll be interesting but it'll take ages, longer than they'll give him.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27254 on: November 26, 2021, 04:51:18 am »
Saw some manc on twitter say that we have the pupil and they have the sensei.  :lmao

I think they're smoking some sensei over there.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27255 on: November 26, 2021, 04:56:59 am »
In all seriousness though … interesting move and it will be interesting to see how things will pan out. They’re probably hoping for a Tuchel-type of turnaround. Chelsea finished fourth behind a depleted Liverpool. The Champions League was a big fluke
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27256 on: November 26, 2021, 07:03:42 am »
It’s a step towards having an actual plan and some structure at the club.

I can see why 6months as manager makes sense. This season already looks like a write off, top managers probably aren't available until the summer and it’s a bigger job than just getting a new manager in. So let Ralf come in, see what’s what, ready to get stuff done in the summer.

The 2 year consultancy part is odd though. You need him running things as DOF, and for longer than 2 years given where they’re at. Instead it sounds like he’ll be passing on handy hints and advice to Darren Fletcher for him to mull over, and trying to convince the board that they need actual footballers rather than human emojis.

Unless Utd think it’s too soon to sack another “club legend” and Fletcher will be gone in the summer with Ralf taking over as DOF. That could work.

Human emojis, my god that’s brilliant.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27257 on: November 26, 2021, 08:00:02 am »
So lemme get this right,  Rolf is the Pre-interim short term consultant dof manager/coach in charge of cultural restoration continuity and footballing basics foundational work, inside a click positive commercially oriented social network framework featuring a multi layered sponsorship grid aimed at driving shareholder value in a sustainable and progressive dividend friendly manner?

Must have been a hell of a powerpoint slide show.

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« Reply #27258 on: November 26, 2021, 08:02:20 am »
Someone on the Football Ramble made a really good point I think in regards to Ten Haag, who most United fans now seem to want and expect in the Summer.

Basically saying that, despite his current success, he's a long way from being a sure thing when he moves on and that managing Ajax is probably the easiest job in football. This being because they base everything on bringing young players through - young players that have grown up playing the exact same system that the first team plays and are ready to slot in as soon they are good enough. That's clearly completely different to the model that United operate with, so he will need to adapt and adapt fast.

De Boer was meant to be the next big in management when he was winning leagues with Ajax. He was linked with us when Rodgers got the job. Been hopeless everywhere else.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27259 on: November 26, 2021, 08:03:10 am »
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27260 on: November 26, 2021, 08:05:51 am »
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27261 on: November 26, 2021, 08:06:55 am »
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Klinsmann for Full Time manager then? After all, the Scousers were going to get him to replace Rafa so he must be good?
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27262 on: November 26, 2021, 08:12:10 am »
I wonder how many United fans were talking about Ragnick as a possible replacement for Ole before he got the boot?
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27263 on: November 26, 2021, 08:27:12 am »
Manic mancs in a group chat I'm on were crowing about Klopp's AFCON comment being racist. I initially ignored them because I didn't want to dignify it with a response but I simply posted the video and asked them to read the comments if they didn't understand.

They suddenly shut up. The same people were saying that it wasn't an agenda but if they didn't have one, they would have owned up. They are very envious of our team and our manager.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27264 on: November 26, 2021, 08:31:32 am »
Not worried by this appointment in the least. If he was the real deal he'd be managing one of the top sides long before now and not some background noise character nobody knows.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27265 on: November 26, 2021, 08:56:04 am »
Anyone who is scared by this appointment needs their head examined or at least Rangnik’s wiki page, he’s fucking shite! The only concern is if he does an absolute fluke and takes some points off us next year.

Seems so many fans getting information from sound bites and social media bollocks these days. ‘He’s the father of the pressing game’. ‘He was Klopps inspiration’. He’s been sacked from as many jobs as clubs he’s been involved in and won absolutely fuck all of note. The fact almost every fan had to google his name to find out he was an actual manager tells you everything.

The man United business model in the media is something to behold as usual. Like Ole he’ll be hyped up one week then the next it’ll be all talk of not being fit for the job, or it being to big a task, etc. I give it until Christmas for those ones.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27266 on: November 26, 2021, 09:18:16 am »
Klopp’s mentor. Klopp’s inspiration. He taught Klopp everything he knows about counterpressing, bla, bla, bla. Amusing that they have to link Rangnick to Klopp as if to validate this move
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27267 on: November 26, 2021, 09:22:57 am »
Klopp’s mentor. Klopp’s inspiration. He taught Klopp everything he knows about counterpressing, bla, bla, bla. Amusing that they have to link Rangnick to Klopp as if to validate this move

Good luck getting this fucker pressing ;D

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27268 on: November 26, 2021, 09:25:24 am »
Klopp’s mentor. Klopp’s inspiration. He taught Klopp everything he knows about counterpressing, bla, bla, bla. Amusing that they have to link Rangnick to Klopp as if to validate this move

It is quite funny all that - Wolfgang Frank is the Klopp mentor, end of story. Frank was a Sacchi obsessive, slight extension to story. Rangnik is Klopp's mate, and that's about the size of it.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27269 on: November 26, 2021, 09:26:38 am »
Manic mancs in a group chat I'm on were crowing about Klopp's AFCON comment being racist. I initially ignored them because I didn't want to dignify it with a response but I simply posted the video and asked them to read the comments if they didn't understand.

They suddenly shut up. The same people were saying that it wasn't an agenda but if they didn't have one, they would have owned up. They are very envious of our team and our manager.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27270 on: November 26, 2021, 10:04:13 am »
It is quite funny all that - Wolfgang Frank is the Klopp mentor, end of story. Frank was a Sacchi obsessive, slight extension to story. Rangnik is Klopp's mate, and that's about the size of it.
Good shout Roy - Rafa Hongistein's Klopp book has a great chapter on Frank, his time with Mainz in the mid-late 90s and the influence and impression he left on Kloppo.

Rangnick is an interesting appointment, he's definitely been more 'Director of Football' than coach in recent years, and no one can doubt the superb work he did in the Red Bull group, but I don't think his time at Utd can be anything more than a plaster over a substantial wound - he hasn't the time to extensively drill the players, nor will he likely be afforded a significant budget for signings in January. He is certainly far more tactically aware than Utd's last coach but is known for being divisive - some of the dressing room will go with him, the rest will be dropped. There will be one or two big names with their noses out of joint within the next month.

It's funny that Mancs are heralding him as the inventor of Gegenpressing - which was being utilised by Soviet Teams in a fashion as early as the mid 80s - see Lobanovskyi's Dinamo Kyiv - when he patently is not the inventor, just a proponent and his Schalke and Hoffenheim teams, two of his more recent head coach roles, haven't utilised such a system. We also look at Utd and see a side woefully ill-equipped personnel wise to achieve such a style. We all know from the teething stages that implementing a furious, precise press took nigh on 18 months to two years for Klopp's Liverpool to get right.

He's authoritative, knowledgeable and tactically flexible, all good qualities. Let's see how he handles a calibre of player he's maybe not used to, your Pogbas, Ronaldos and Varanes.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27271 on: November 26, 2021, 10:07:16 am »
Good appointment and lets him have a look at the quality of the squad in person before moving to a director of football role.

He is a volatile character and hasn't had much success for the last 5 or so years.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27272 on: November 26, 2021, 10:14:45 am »
Rangnick seems to be tentatively linked with every club in this country whenever there is a vacancy. He's clearly a very intelligent and well-versed footballing man, and indeed he seems a stable choice for what they need right now and he's highly respected within the game. I think you can say it is a fairly sound appointment from the outside without coming across as if they're suddenly going to win everything.


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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27273 on: November 26, 2021, 10:15:10 am »
It’s a step towards having an actual plan and some structure at the club.

I can see why 6months as manager makes sense. This season already looks like a write off, top managers probably aren't available until the summer and it’s a bigger job than just getting a new manager in. So let Ralf come in, see what’s what, ready to get stuff done in the summer.

The 2 year consultancy part is odd though. You need him running things as DOF, and for longer than 2 years given where they’re at. Instead it sounds like he’ll be passing on handy hints and advice to Darren Fletcher for him to mull over, and trying to convince the board that they need actual footballers rather than human emojis.

Unless Utd think it’s too soon to sack another “club legend” and Fletcher will be gone in the summer with Ralf taking over as DOF. That could work.

When you think back to their giddiness (and the media's) back in August isn't this absolutely mental?

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27274 on: November 26, 2021, 10:19:22 am »
Other teams win games with German managers? Quick sign the first German you get in touch with and hope for the best!!!!

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I mean Liverpool would never appoint, say, a frenchman just after another club won the league with a frenchman.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27275 on: November 26, 2021, 10:21:34 am »
Good shout Roy - Rafa Hongistein's Klopp book has a great chapter on Frank, his time with Mainz in the mid-late 90s and the influence and impression he left on Kloppo.

Rangnick is an interesting appointment, he's definitely been more 'Director of Football' than coach in recent years, and no one can doubt the superb work he did in the Red Bull group, but I don't think his time at Utd can be anything more than a plaster over a substantial wound - he hasn't the time to extensively drill the players, nor will he likely be afforded a significant budget for signings in January. He is certainly far more tactically aware than Utd's last coach but is known for being divisive - some of the dressing room will go with him, the rest will be dropped. There will be one or two big names with their noses out of joint within the next month.

It's funny that Mancs are heralding him as the inventor of Gegenpressing - which was being utilised by Soviet Teams in a fashion as early as the mid 80s - see Lobanovskyi's Dinamo Kyiv - when he patently is not the inventor, just a proponent and his Schalke and Hoffenheim teams, two of his more recent head coach roles, haven't utilised such a system. We also look at Utd and see a side woefully ill-equipped personnel wise to achieve such a style. We all know from the teething stages that implementing a furious, precise press took nigh on 18 months to two years for Klopp's Liverpool to get right.

He's authoritative, knowledgeable and tactically flexible, all good qualities. Let's see how he handles a calibre of player he's maybe not used to, your Pogbas, Ronaldos and Varanes.

It's a bit like dropping Jack Nicholson into the Cuckoo's Nest psychiatric ward. Yes, he'll try and habituate new methods, and yes, he'll properly manage injuries and rehab (something Solskjaer failed to do to a spectacular extent), and yes, he'll coach the coaching staff too, but to implement his vision of football, he'll need to put quite a few noses out of joint.

That said, he's capable of being pragmatic and you'd expect a Hiddink-style arm around a few of the bigger egoes' shoulders... but fundamentally, this will be a clear headed man dropped into a pack of dunderheads. The only way it changes anything fundamental is (as we said with Pochettino), if they let him have the reins of the whole shooting match.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27276 on: November 26, 2021, 10:46:11 am »
Good appointment and lets him have a look at the quality of the squad in person before moving to a director of football role.

I'm sure any top level manager coming in next summer will love for footballing decisions to be made without them being able to assess the squad themselves  ;D

Has chaos written all over it.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27277 on: November 26, 2021, 10:48:46 am »
It's a bit like dropping Jack Nicholson into the Cuckoo's Nest psychiatric ward. Yes, he'll try and habituate new methods, and yes, he'll properly manage injuries and rehab (something Solskjaer failed to do to a spectacular extent), and yes, he'll coach the coaching staff too, but to implement his vision of football, he'll need to put quite a few noses out of joint.

That said, he's capable of being pragmatic and you'd expect a Hiddink-style arm around a few of the bigger egoes' shoulders... but fundamentally, this will be a clear headed man dropped into a pack of dunderheads. The only way it changes anything fundamental is (as we said with Pochettino), if they let him have the reins of the whole shooting match.
Agreed - ultimately, they won't trust him to protect the business side of the club and as such, he won't be given the keys in the way he'd need to really steer them in the right direction. If he's being appointed with a view to moving him upstairs following the end of his contract, he may have to make harder decisions in the present than he otherwise would - if he doesn't, he's making it a more difficult situation for the next head coach and potentially himself as DOF.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27278 on: November 26, 2021, 10:55:21 am »
Good luck getting this fucker pressing ;D



I dunno. When he was playing on the left the other night he very definitely almost broke into something that could be described as a half arsed sprint after he fell over and didn't get a free kick.  Admittedly it was mainly to shout abuse at the ref, but he did continue it back into his own half.

Although he did then move centrally a couple of minutes later so he didn't have to do it again.  But from small acorns...

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27279 on: November 26, 2021, 11:00:00 am »
High praise from Ballague.

Indeed he would someone suitable for Crystal Palace or even Arsenal who wouldn’t mind a few years in wilderness just to get things reset to get it right.

At United, he long term vision would be negated by their short term commercial interest. How do you sell shirts by benching Ronaldo? Will United be prepared to accept that?