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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4920 on: May 16, 2019, 02:43:51 am »
You sure about that?

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/spanish-primera-division/15/blog/post/3172294/how-release-clauses-work-neymar-treated-like-any-spanish-worker

''The basis for release clauses in Spanish labor law is found within Royal Decree 1006 from 1985: A player who wishes to rescind his contract in a unilateral manner must compensate his club by the payment of a set sum, which is either decided by a tribunal or previously established in the signed contract. The player is then free to sign for another club.''

''The law states that release clauses should be proportional to the salary of the player. The value should be clearly stated in the contract signed by both sides, the player and the club, and be freely agreed by both sides.

Release clauses established with excessively high values can lead to an unequal contract benefiting the club and disadvantaging the player. This can provoke disagreements between the player and the club. If not proportional to the player's salary, it can be challenged under the law.

http://www.cityam.com/252013/recent-change-spains-tax-laws-could-make-buying-liga-manchester-united

''It is mandatory for clubs in Spain to include a cláusula de rescisión, or buyout clause, in the contract of every single player, enabling them — in theory — to pay off their contract should they want to leave.

In practice the clause is likely to be outside the affordability range of a player so potential suitors arrange to give the money to the player who will then pay their current club via the Spanish football association.''

I've yet to see a player in Spain be sold that is lower than the set release clause, particularly a player of Griezman's profile.


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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4921 on: May 16, 2019, 07:16:25 am »
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/spanish-primera-division/15/blog/post/3172294/how-release-clauses-work-neymar-treated-like-any-spanish-worker

''It is mandatory for clubs in Spain to include a cláusula de rescisión, or buyout clause, in the contract of every single player, enabling them — in theory — to pay off their contract should they want to leave"


Oh that's interesting. It's mandatory in Spain? That helps to explain the Coutinho saga a bit. I mean, the advice Coutinho clearly got.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4922 on: May 16, 2019, 08:35:21 am »
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/spanish-primera-division/15/blog/post/3172294/how-release-clauses-work-neymar-treated-like-any-spanish-worker

''The basis for release clauses in Spanish labor law is found within Royal Decree 1006 from 1985: A player who wishes to rescind his contract in a unilateral manner must compensate his club by the payment of a set sum, which is either decided by a tribunal or previously established in the signed contract. The player is then free to sign for another club.''

''The law states that release clauses should be proportional to the salary of the player. The value should be clearly stated in the contract signed by both sides, the player and the club, and be freely agreed by both sides.

Release clauses established with excessively high values can lead to an unequal contract benefiting the club and disadvantaging the player. This can provoke disagreements between the player and the club. If not proportional to the player's salary, it can be challenged under the law.

http://www.cityam.com/252013/recent-change-spains-tax-laws-could-make-buying-liga-manchester-united

''It is mandatory for clubs in Spain to include a cláusula de rescisión, or buyout clause, in the contract of every single player, enabling them — in theory — to pay off their contract should they want to leave.

In practice the clause is likely to be outside the affordability range of a player so potential suitors arrange to give the money to the player who will then pay their current club via the Spanish football association.''

I've yet to see a player in Spain be sold that is lower than the set release clause, particularly a player of Griezman's profile.


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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4923 on: May 16, 2019, 10:52:59 am »
One of the things I like about the clause is that it's attached to the wages. So if you really don't want to lose Messi to a buyout clause, you have to pay him even more if you want his buyout clause to be the almost 700 million Euro it currently is. Both parties know what the clause is at the start of the contract so if the player wants the £300k a week, he knows there's a chance he's at the club until his buyout fee is met.

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« Reply #4924 on: May 16, 2019, 12:00:58 pm »


I forgot about him however they could have had an additional clause of some sort or made an adjustment within his contract to do so.


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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4925 on: May 16, 2019, 01:16:40 pm »
Release clauses in Spain are mandatory but you don't have to pay the full amount to complete a transfer.  Clubs are free to negotiate just like in any other country.
 One example from Barcelona, Munir went to Sevilla from Barcelona in January for only 1m.  His buyout clause was 60m. 

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« Reply #4926 on: May 16, 2019, 01:17:16 pm »
I forgot about him however they could have had an additional clause of some sort or made an adjustment within his contract to do so.


But you don't have to sell at the buy out clause. Often they are set at a ridiculously high level so that clubs make sure players are sold on their terms anyway, as no one will realistically match the clause. Ronaldo's for example was almost 1 billion Euros if I'm not mistaken, but obviously Real was willing to sell for a tenth of that amount.

Even Neymar's was extremely high at the time, more than double the world record fee if I'm not mistaken, and after that the clauses have become more outrageous. No idea what Greizmann's clause is at, but Atletico can decide to sell him for a lot less if they feel they can use the money better. Of course, if they would rather keep him, meeting the clause is other clubs only option.

Edit: same point was made just before, ignore my post.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4927 on: May 16, 2019, 01:18:42 pm »
Release clauses in Spain are mandatory but you don't have to pay the full amount to complete a transfer.  Clubs are free to negotiate just like in any other country.
 One example from Barcelona, Munir went to Sevilla from Barcelona in January for only 1m.  His buyout clause was 60m.

This, there's no ambiguity to it at all  :D
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« Reply #4928 on: May 16, 2019, 01:18:58 pm »
But you don't have to sell at the buy out clause. Often they are set at a ridiculously high level so that clubs make sure players are sold on their terms anyway, as no one will realistically match the clause. Ronaldo's for example was almost 1 billion Euros if I'm not mistaken, but obviously Real was willing to sell for a tenth of that amount.

Even Neymar's was extremely high at the time, more than double the world record fee if I'm not mistaken, and after that the clauses have become more outrageous. No idea what Greizmann's clause is at, but Atletico can decide to sell him for a lot less if they feel they can use the money better. Of course, if they would rather keep him, meeting the clause is other clubs only option.

Griezmann met the club’s CEO Miguel Ángel Gil Marín, coach Diego Simeone and sporting director Andrea Berta on Tuesday and informed them of his decision. On 1 July his buyout clause drops from €200m to €120m, making them unable to prevent him from leaving or to influence which club he signs for. Twenty per cent of the clause goes to Real Sociedad, the club where Griezmann began his career, leaving Atlético €96m - The Guardian

They have various within their clauses/stipulations. So I don't know what Ronaldo's was and why the price was different but if you look at this scenario with Griezman, for whatever reason they have an agreement that on July 1st his clause goes down from 200 to 120.

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« Reply #4929 on: May 16, 2019, 01:22:22 pm »
Well, if that is the case, then in this particular instance, I doubt Madrid will sell for less than the clause. They seem reluctant to lose him, and will of course then hold out for the 120 million Euros.

I was talking more in general, see Suareznumber7's post above mine - somtimes clubs prefer money over the player they have, regardless of what the clause might be.

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« Reply #4930 on: May 16, 2019, 01:24:08 pm »
Well, if that is the case, then in this particular instance, I doubt Madrid will sell for less than the clause. They seem reluctant to lose him, and will of course then hold out for the 120 million Euros.

I was talking more in general, see Suareznumber7's post above mine - somtimes clubs prefer money over the player they have, regardless of what the clause might be.

I understand that, my point was they may have stipulations or agreements to why they would settle for less within the contract itself.


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« Reply #4931 on: May 16, 2019, 02:43:19 pm »
But you don't have to sell at the buy out clause. Often they are set at a ridiculously high level so that clubs make sure players are sold on their terms anyway, as no one will realistically match the clause. Ronaldo's for example was almost 1 billion Euros if I'm not mistaken, but obviously Real was willing to sell for a tenth of that amount.

Even Neymar's was extremely high at the time, more than double the world record fee if I'm not mistaken, and after that the clauses have become more outrageous. No idea what Greizmann's clause is at, but Atletico can decide to sell him for a lot less if they feel they can use the money better. Of course, if they would rather keep him, meeting the clause is other clubs only option.

Edit: same point was made just before, ignore my post.

Greizmann's buyout clause is around 100m I believe which is why the transfer will happen.  If his buyout was a lot higher Atletico would obviously keep him as they don't have anyone near as good as him. 

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« Reply #4932 on: May 16, 2019, 02:46:04 pm »
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Greizmann's buyout clause is around 100m I believe which is why the transfer will happen. 

It's 100 million starting July 1st, it's 200 million at the moment.

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« Reply #4933 on: May 16, 2019, 02:50:23 pm »
It's 100 million starting July 1st, it's 200 million at the moment.

Expect Ed Woodward to put a 200m bid in next week then.
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« Reply #4934 on: May 16, 2019, 03:25:02 pm »
€100m is just about decent value for Griezmann, probably still slightly too much. There is no way I would start him ahead of any of our front 3, in our system. All in all, I think he's over-rated. Not massively so like Neymar, but still not what he is made out to be.

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« Reply #4935 on: May 16, 2019, 03:25:47 pm »
€100m is just about decent value for Griezmann, probably still slightly too much. There is no way I would start him ahead of any of our front 3, in our system. All in all, I think he's over-rated. Not massively so like Neymar, but still not what he is made out to be.

It's more like €120m.

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« Reply #4936 on: May 16, 2019, 04:00:52 pm »
€100m is just about decent value for Griezmann, probably still slightly too much. There is no way I would start him ahead of any of our front 3, in our system. All in all, I think he's over-rated. Not massively so like Neymar, but still not what he is made out to be.
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« Reply #4937 on: May 16, 2019, 04:44:33 pm »
Neymar is overrated?  :o

100%

Took a shit on his own career by going to the french league. Watching him in games outside that league and see how much he loses the ball trying to just walk past everyone before being reminded he's not in Ligue 1

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« Reply #4938 on: May 16, 2019, 04:58:44 pm »
€100m is just about decent value for Griezmann, probably still slightly too much. There is no way I would start him ahead of any of our front 3, in our system. All in all, I think he's over-rated. Not massively so like Neymar, but still not what he is made out to be.

Greizmann is one of the 5-10 best players in the world.  I don't think he's overrated at all.  And Neymar is probably underrated to be honest.  Mostly because people don't like how he rolls around after getting fouled all the time. 

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« Reply #4939 on: May 16, 2019, 05:51:04 pm »
There's plenty of instances of Spanish teams selling between themselves and overseas without the buyout clause being triggered.  And even when buyout clause is met in almost all cases they clubs come to a separate agreement rather than the straight buyout as the buyout has to come from the player and according to Spanish tax authorities that is then a taxable event for the player. 

That's what made the Neymar purchase so crazy, not only did PSG do the buyout but they're footing the tax bill for it as well.

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« Reply #4940 on: May 16, 2019, 06:06:36 pm »
Greizmann is one of the 5-10 best players in the world.  I don't think he's overrated at all.  And Neymar is probably underrated to be honest.  Mostly because people don't like how he rolls around after getting fouled all the time.


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« Reply #4941 on: May 16, 2019, 06:17:09 pm »
Expect Ed Woodward to put a 200m bid in next week then.

Or 200m on July 2nd

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« Reply #4942 on: May 16, 2019, 08:20:23 pm »
Greizmann is one of the 5-10 best players in the world.  I don't think he's overrated at all.  And Neymar is probably underrated to be honest.  Mostly because people don't like how he rolls around after getting fouled all the time. 
Griezman is not in the top 5-10 players in the world.
Just strikers/forwards:
1. Messi
2. Suarez
3. Mane
4. Salah
5. Sterling
6. Aguero
7. Ronaldo
8. Dybala
9. Icardi
10. Mbappe
11. Neymar
12. Aubameyang
13. Lewandowski
14. Jadon Sanchez

This is just off the top of my head....

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« Reply #4943 on: May 16, 2019, 08:39:22 pm »
There's plenty of instances of Spanish teams selling between themselves and overseas without the buyout clause being triggered.  And even when buyout clause is met in almost all cases they clubs come to a separate agreement rather than the straight buyout as the buyout has to come from the player and according to Spanish tax authorities that is then a taxable event for the player. 

That's what made the Neymar purchase so crazy, not only did PSG do the buyout but they're footing the tax bill for it as well.
I’ve read that the Spanish tax  authorities recently changed that law (think before the Neymar transfer) so that players didn’t need to pay taxes on the money received for the buyout. But I can’t find where I saw this now, so may well be wrong about that.

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« Reply #4944 on: May 16, 2019, 08:50:25 pm »
Neymar is overrated?  :o
His record in the CL is poor.
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« Reply #4945 on: May 16, 2019, 08:54:06 pm »
His record in the CL is poor.


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« Reply #4946 on: May 16, 2019, 09:45:38 pm »
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« Reply #4947 on: May 16, 2019, 09:46:26 pm »
Griezman is not in the top 5-10 players in the world.
Just strikers/forwards:
1. Messi
2. Suarez
3. Mane
4. Salah
5. Sterling
6. Aguero
7. Ronaldo
8. Dybala
9. Icardi
10. Mbappe
11. Neymar
12. Aubameyang
13. Lewandowski
14. Jadon Sanchez

This is just off the top of my head....
That's not in order I hope?

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4948 on: May 16, 2019, 09:58:30 pm »
Or 200m on July 2nd

Ha ha, that sounds more accurate :)
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« Reply #4949 on: May 17, 2019, 01:06:02 pm »
Griezman is not in the top 5-10 players in the world.
Just strikers/forwards:
1. Messi
2. Suarez
3. Mane
4. Salah
5. Sterling
6. Aguero
7. Ronaldo
8. Dybala
9. Icardi
10. Mbappe
11. Neymar
12. Aubameyang
13. Lewandowski
14. Jadon Sanchez

This is just off the top of my head....

This is not a great list to be honest and I hope it's not listed in order.  Griezmann is better then everyone on that list with the exception of Messi, Neymar, and maybe Mbappe. 

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« Reply #4950 on: May 17, 2019, 01:15:00 pm »
This is not a great list to be honest and I hope it's not listed in order.  Griezmann is better then everyone on that list with the exception of Messi, Neymar, and maybe Mbappe.

What makes Griezmann better than Salah, Suarez, Mane, Sterling, Aguero?

He's definitely not in a different tier, and hard to see why he'd have impressed anyone enough to be rated above these five and more.
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« Reply #4951 on: May 17, 2019, 01:16:15 pm »
What makes Griezmann better than Salah, Suarez, Mane, Sterling, Aguero?

He's definitely not in a different tier, and hard to see why he'd have impressed anyone enough to be rated above these five and more.

I'd certainly not swap either of our two for him, even if we got £75m on top too.

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« Reply #4952 on: May 17, 2019, 01:21:20 pm »
This is not a great list to be honest and I hope it's not listed in order.  Griezmann is better then everyone on that list with the exception of Messi, Neymar, and maybe Mbappe. 
This isn't serious?

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« Reply #4953 on: May 17, 2019, 01:22:05 pm »
Griezman is not in the top 5-10 players in the world.
Just strikers/forwards:
1. Messi
2. Suarez
3. Mane
4. Salah
5. Sterling
6. Aguero
7. Ronaldo
8. Dybala
9. Icardi
10. Mbappe
11. Neymar
12. Aubameyang
13. Lewandowski
14. Jadon Sanchez

This is just off the top of my head....

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4954 on: May 17, 2019, 01:27:33 pm »
This is not a great list to be honest and I hope it's not listed in order.  Griezmann is better then everyone on that list with the exception of Messi, Neymar, and maybe Mbappe. 
No it is not listed in order. The numbers are there to show that there are more than 10 already there, and I believe all of them to be better than Griezman. It is very curious that you think only 3 of these are better than Griezman.
I am afraid, not for the first time, Barcelona are going to pay silly money for a player to team up with Messi upfront. This one is already 28 as well.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4955 on: May 17, 2019, 01:32:31 pm »
No it is not listed in order. The numbers are there to show that there are more than 10 already there, and I believe all of them to be better than Griezman. It is very curious that you think only 3 of these are better than Griezman.
I am afraid, not for the first time, Barcelona are going to pay silly money for a player to team up with Messi upfront. This one is already 28 as well.

Aren't you elated rather than afraid?
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« Reply #4956 on: May 17, 2019, 01:35:33 pm »
Aren't you elated rather than afraid?
Not really, as I am quite fond of Barcelona, actually...

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4957 on: May 17, 2019, 01:45:14 pm »
Allegri to Barca then?

Seems to be the obvious fit.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4958 on: May 17, 2019, 01:52:40 pm »
Allegri to Barca then?

Seems to be the obvious fit.
Nope, I am not sure he can win the CL with even Barcelona.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #4959 on: May 17, 2019, 01:59:41 pm »
Griezman is not in the top 5-10 players in the world.
Just strikers/forwards:
1. Messi
2. Suarez
3. Mane
4. Salah
5. Sterling
6. Aguero
7. Ronaldo
8. Dybala
9. Icardi
10. Mbappe
11. Neymar
12. Aubameyang
13. Lewandowski
14. Jadon Sanchez

This is just off the top of my head....


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