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Re: VAR! Huh! What is it good for? Bit shit innit?
« Reply #10840 on: February 20, 2021, 11:20:48 pm »
Match of the day said it was a clear pen, said you can see Trent lifting his foot. I am not sure either way but it seems a bizarre way to concead a pen as Trent was basically hit in the head before any foot was raised.

Trent raising his foot clearly causes Calvert-Lewin to change direction, knee him in the back of the head and fall over screaming.

Naughty from Trent that. Obviously some sort of mind control thing he’s got going on.

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« Reply #10841 on: February 20, 2021, 11:20:53 pm »
Match of the day said it was a clear pen,

And there we have it, part of the reason they keep getting away with these terrible decisions is because the mainstream media sweep them under the carpet. It's baffling. No accountability.
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« Reply #10842 on: February 20, 2021, 11:22:27 pm »
Match of the day said it was a clear pen, said you can see Trent lifting his foot. I am not sure either way but it seems a bizarre way to concead a pen as Trent was basically hit in the head before any foot was raised.

Foot? Lewin is half way to the floor before he even gets near TAA’s legs given he comes from behind and basically falls over his back/head.

TAA lifts his arm up, but that’s pretty fucking normal when someone comes full pelt into your back/head and you bring you hand up to cover yourself.

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« Reply #10843 on: February 20, 2021, 11:25:01 pm »
Having realised (if he didn’t before) that since Dean had two red card decisions overturned in two games a couple of weeks ago with zero criticism or action from his boss, that there was absolutely no comeback on him whatsoever if it was a totally wrong decision that he let stand even after reviewing it.

If there’s no incentive to come to the right decision, if you put in an impeccable performance and the reaction from the boss is exactly the same as when you make a horrendous decision and fuck up royally, then what’s to stop you chucking in the odd deliberate piss take of a decision when you know full well you’re going to get away with it?

Basically.

It's a system supposedly set up in order to get the correct decision and reduce error, but it's entirely pointless as no one seems to care that decisions are still routinely incorrect and no one ever gets punished for these continual mistakes.

It is bizarre how football is worth so much financially with such high standards of fitness and professionalism but it's rules are judged & enforced by fat, incompetent, unfit clowns who face no repercussions for not doing their jobs properly.

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Re: VAR! Huh! What is it good for? Bit shit innit?
« Reply #10844 on: February 20, 2021, 11:26:30 pm »
Foot? Lewin is half way to the floor before he even gets near TAA’s legs given he comes from behind and basically falls over his back/head.

TAA lifts his arm up, but that’s pretty fucking normal when someone comes full pelt into your back/head and you bring you hand up to cover yourself.

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« Reply #10845 on: February 20, 2021, 11:29:53 pm »
If these are genuinely the rules now then football is ruined. You can run into the back of a defender, knee him in the head whilst he's on the floor, hurdle over him and get a penalty out of it. Anyone can win a penalty then - and presumably get the innocent defender sent off.

We should be all over this in the coming weeks. Let’s test the theory and see how many penalties we get from Mane kneeing prone defenders in the back of the head and then falling over.

I can’t help getting the feeling though that if he were to do that he’d be less likely to get a penalty and be much more likely to get sent off...

...and everyone would agree that as it was dangerous, even though probably accidental, it was strictly speaking “endangering the safety of an opponent” and therefore worthy of a red card.

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« Reply #10846 on: February 20, 2021, 11:35:55 pm »
VAR never even looked at this.

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« Reply #10847 on: February 20, 2021, 11:36:14 pm »
Has anyone got the clip during our match v Burnley when Sadio got wiped out after taking a shot on goal? Surely that’s more of a penalty than this one tonight?
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« Reply #10848 on: February 20, 2021, 11:40:35 pm »
Its not me saying its motd!

I know mate, questioning them not you...you just happened to post what they said  ;D

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« Reply #10849 on: February 20, 2021, 11:41:27 pm »
We should be all over this in the coming weeks. Let’s test the theory and see how many penalties we get from Mane kneeing prone defenders in the back of the head and then falling over.

I can’t help getting the feeling though that if he were to do that he’d be less likely to get a penalty and be much more likely to get sent off...

...and everyone would agree that as it was dangerous, even though probably accidental, it was strictly speaking “endangering the safety of an opponent” and therefore worthy of a red card.

Absolutely. If the ref is reviewing that for us today, there's absolutely no way it gets given and pundits certainly aren't calling it a penalty. The funny thing is, before VAR you could chalk this off as human error at high speed but when a referee refuses to look at the replay, it's hard to not be suspicious.
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« Reply #10850 on: February 20, 2021, 11:48:13 pm »
Has anyone got the clip during our match v Burnley when Sadio got wiped out after taking a shot on goal? Surely that’s more of a penalty than this one tonight?

Probably not, as even the camera crew seem to not replay clear fouls not given. The whole thing is bizarre, but it's probably because the Liverpool players are not up in the ref's face screaming foul play..
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« Reply #10851 on: February 20, 2021, 11:57:13 pm »
Probably not, as even the camera crew seem to not replay clear fouls not given. The whole thing is bizarre, but it's probably because the Liverpool players are not up in the ref's face screaming foul play..

If you watch Trent, his body language appears to be like yeah I fecked up. Could had been more in the refs face and put him under pressure to reverse it. He looks kind of too nice. If Gerrard or Carragher was in that position they would be barking at the ref.

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« Reply #10852 on: February 21, 2021, 12:00:53 am »
If you watch Trent, his body language appears to be like yeah I fecked up. Could had been more in the refs face and put him under pressure to reverse it. He looks kind of too nice. If Gerrard or Carragher was in that position they would be barking at the ref.
That doesn’t work either if you’re a Liverpool player. Mane tried that and was promptly booked

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« Reply #10853 on: February 21, 2021, 12:08:05 am »
The mental gymnastics by pundits saying that it was the correct decision are very impressive.  Next week they’ll be back to no penalty because ‘not all contact is a penalty’ and ‘the striker initiates the contact’.

These kind of incidents always take me back to the game against Man City when they pipped us by a point and Stones cleared off the line.  In that incident Mane is completely taken out by Ederson after shooting which denies him a tap in from the rebound off the post, but no penalty given and no pundits ever thought it should have been a penalty.  And that's with a keeper wiping out a striker rather than a striker running into a defender already on the ground.

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« Reply #10854 on: February 21, 2021, 12:17:10 am »
If you watch Trent, his body language appears to be like yeah I fecked up. Could had been more in the refs face and put him under pressure to reverse it. He looks kind of too nice. If Gerrard or Carragher was in that position they would be barking at the ref.

Carra would prob have been doing a piece to pitch side camera about what gobshites each of the Liverpool players were.

It’s fuck all to do with how out players acted, saying that gives the refs and out.

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« Reply #10855 on: February 21, 2021, 12:20:25 am »
I still believe VAR can change the game for the better, and help the refs correct the 'I really got that wrong' mistakes.
But jesus christ, Mariner sends him over to the screen tonight as he obviously doesn't think that's a foul or a penalty. Ref watches one replay of it, from the most zoomed out angle possible, and doesn't change his mind.
FFS. What is the fucking point. It's such a shit decision. DCL literally runs over Trent's leg and falls over. It's not a foul in the slightest.
No accountability at all though and he'll be back to refereeing next weekend. Mike Riley will gloss over it and say it's the correct decision. Shambles.

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« Reply #10856 on: February 21, 2021, 12:20:43 am »
That doesn’t work either if you’re a Liverpool player. Mane tried that and was promptly booked
Incidentally, I’m racking my brains but when was the last time anybody saw a yellow in the premier league for dissent. It’s common practice to get in the refs face but you never see a yellow- until today when Mané wasn’t even in his face.

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« Reply #10857 on: February 21, 2021, 12:22:52 am »
I still believe VAR can change the game for the better, and help the refs correct the 'I really got that wrong' mistakes.
But jesus christ, Mariner sends him over to the screen tonight as he obviously doesn't think that's a foul or a penalty. Ref watches one replay of it, from the most zoomed out angle possible, and doesn't change his mind.
FFS. What is the fucking point. It's such a shit decision. DCL literally runs over Trent's leg and falls over. It's not a foul in the slightest.
No accountability at all though and he'll be back to refereeing next weekend. Mike Riley will gloss over it and say it's the correct decision. Shambles.
....and why do these shambles of decisions never fall FOR Liverpool

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« Reply #10858 on: February 21, 2021, 12:23:30 am »
The whole thing is bizarre, but it's probably because the Liverpool players are not up in the ref's face screaming foul play..

Mane got booked today for just looking at the ref in a funny way.  If we start screaming at refs we will get players booked and called out in the media who will suddenly claim we “have a reputation for it” (probably citing the infamous example from about 14 years ago) leading to refs clamping down on us even speaking to them.
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« Reply #10859 on: February 21, 2021, 12:30:59 am »
VAR is only supposed to get involved if there is a clear and obvious error......so..

Either it was no Pen and that's why VAR asked the Ref to have another look.

Or it was a Red card on Trent.

As the Ref was mouthing it's a pen...I think we know why he was called over.
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« Reply #10860 on: February 21, 2021, 12:47:50 am »
Haha... He also thinks the penalty was the correct decision... :lmao
I love the one answer where a guy asks him why he then thought that Sadio shouldn't have gotten a penalty against Brighton when the goalkeeper clearly got in his way to bring him down. With a nice little clip of it attached...

Got a link to that?

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« Reply #10861 on: February 21, 2021, 12:51:25 am »
Got a link to that?
https://twitter.com/phil_ryding/status/1363221937384812548?s=20

Got it wrong though in my initial post as it was against Newcastle. Don't really remember stuff like that, but saw another twitter post mentioning it was against Brighton and didn't check if that was right. But as the tweet is asking about Darlow and in the video they say Schär clears it off the line, it seems to be Newcastle..
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« Reply #10862 on: February 21, 2021, 01:47:05 am »
....and the crux of the matter here is not whether it was a penalty or not(although it was very important as it killed the game). The crux of the matter is why would you install a system like VAR to review errors and then have a referee refuse to review an error when asked to do so. A 2 second glance from one angle does not constitute a review especially as he must have known that the views that Mariner had had caused him to call for the review.

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« Reply #10863 on: February 23, 2021, 08:18:36 am »
I didn't see the Derby as I was working, so yesterday was the first time I'd seen the penalty decision.

If anyone still thinks its tin foil hats and conspiracy theory bollocks, take a look at that and tell me the referees are not biased/corrupt/cheating. That is the most blatant example of a referee cheating that I've seen since watching a Serie A game. How you give it at full speed is a mystery, how you could not overturn it after watching a replay is straight up corruption. Although, you actually have to watch the replay........
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« Reply #10864 on: February 23, 2021, 08:27:58 am »
But Dermot Gallagher said yesterday it was a pen and a red card so it be right, right?
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« Reply #10865 on: February 23, 2021, 08:42:24 am »
Indeed on ref watch yesterday:

Trent incident was a penalty & red card.
Maguire elbow wasn't anything.
Fulham goalkeeper challenge wasn't a penalty or red.

According to Dermot Gallagher.

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« Reply #10866 on: February 23, 2021, 09:00:55 am »
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« Reply #10867 on: February 23, 2021, 09:13:34 am »
from what I gather reading various articles the ref wasnt sent to the monitor to overturn the penalty like we all expected to happen.

Marriner was telling him to go over to the monitor and then send Trent off !!

we are lucky he didnt

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« Reply #10868 on: February 23, 2021, 09:18:09 am »
But as Trent didnt make an attempt to play the ball it should have been an automatic red if it's a pen shouldn't it? Like Luiz the other week? So either way the ref didn't have a clue what he was doing.
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« Reply #10869 on: February 23, 2021, 09:23:36 am »
from what I gather reading various articles the ref wasnt sent to the monitor to overturn the penalty like we all expected to happen.

Marriner was telling him to go over to the monitor and then send Trent off !!

we are lucky he didnt

the premier league  is truly fucked

No, the VAR was dubious if it was a pen. Nothing to do with if it was a red.

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« Reply #10870 on: February 23, 2021, 09:46:22 am »
No, the VAR was dubious if it was a pen. Nothing to do with if it was a red.
Sky are saying it was to check if it should be a red, not checking the foul.

Either which way it's a fucking shambles.

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« Reply #10871 on: February 23, 2021, 09:51:25 am »
Sky are saying it was to check if it should be a red, not checking the foul.

Either which way it's a fucking shambles.

Sky would say that, to cover up the cheating from the Manc ref.
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« Reply #10872 on: February 23, 2021, 10:07:56 am »
Indeed on ref watch yesterday:

Trent incident was a penalty & red card.
Maguire elbow wasn't anything.
Fulham goalkeeper challenge wasn't a penalty or red.

According to Dermot Gallagher.
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« Reply #10873 on: February 23, 2021, 10:35:48 am »
Indeed on ref watch yesterday:

Trent incident was a penalty & red card.
Maguire elbow wasn't anything.
Fulham goalkeeper challenge wasn't a penalty or red.

According to Dermot Gallagher.
That's ridiculous.
There needs to be some kind of right of reply were clubs can get some explanations as to why one incident is given and another isn't.

The Mane example is a great one. so explain why if Trents was a pen (and a red), Mane's was neither.
The other one they love to bring out is normal contact. That Chelsea pen earlier in the season? Is that normal contact compared to the ones that have been denied to Salah and Mane?

I thought that refs used to visit clubs to explain rules and how they'll be reffed. Guessing that isn't happening at the moment because the refs don't have a clue.

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« Reply #10874 on: February 23, 2021, 11:04:45 am »
I had a wee trawl through the stats yesterday whilst RAWK was down, to see if there was anything beyond the sight test from actually watching the games. The one thing that stood out was the number of goals we’ve had disallowed by VAR:

6 is the answer. 6 out of 25 goals overturned in the entire 20 team league. Nearly 25% of goals overturned have been by 5% of league members. How is that even possible? Bad luck? Our deal with the devil finally run its course and now we’re in the payback phase?
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« Reply #10875 on: February 23, 2021, 11:05:28 am »
Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere, or I am out of order. I'm completely unaware of what has happened.
But was there any reason why this site has been down since Sunday night/Mon morning, and has returned with topics and pages missing?
Please remove this post if inappropriate. I just genuinely don't know. I'm slightly paranoid at the moment about all these strange VAR decisions, and the explanations provided by the authorities, and I'm putting 2+2 together, thinking that we're too close to the truth.....

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« Reply #10876 on: February 23, 2021, 11:07:48 am »
Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere, or I am out of order. I'm completely unaware of what has happened.
But was there any reason why this site has been down since Sunday night/Mon morning, and has returned with topics and pages missing?
Please remove this post if inappropriate. I just genuinely don't know. I'm slightly paranoid at the moment about all these strange VAR decisions, and the explanations provided by the authorities, and I'm putting 2+2 together, thinking that we're too close to the truth.....


They've had server issues. I'd guess that they've gone to a backup version and that's why a few recent posts have been lost.

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« Reply #10877 on: February 23, 2021, 11:15:36 am »
Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere, or I am out of order. I'm completely unaware of what has happened.
But was there any reason why this site has been down since Sunday night/Mon morning, and has returned with topics and pages missing?
Please remove this post if inappropriate. I just genuinely don't know. I'm slightly paranoid at the moment about all these strange VAR decisions, and the explanations provided by the authorities, and I'm putting 2+2 together, thinking that we're too close to the truth.....
I must be paranoid too because that was my first thought. In our case the old saying holds good though "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people(refs) aren't out to get you". :)
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« Reply #10878 on: February 23, 2021, 11:21:14 am »
Dermot Gallagher is the worst thing to come out of Dublin since Sarge.

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Re: VAR! Huh! What is it good for? Bit shit innit?
« Reply #10879 on: February 23, 2021, 11:39:51 am »
Indeed on ref watch yesterday:

Trent incident was a penalty & red card.
Fulham goalkeeper challenge wasn't a penalty or red.

According to Dermot Gallagher.

The fact that a former referee can look at these two incidents and say that one is a penalty and a red and the other is neither tells you everything you need to know about the modern game.

I guarantee that if you showed him incidents where other players were taken out after shooting in a far more deliberate way but no penalty given then he'd defend those decisions as well even though he is contradicting himself.  They all make it up as the go along and find ways to justify their ridiculous decisions.

He also said this about the Utd penalty:

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I think this is what we call a 'modern-day penalty'. From what we've seen in the Premier League this season, they've decided if there's contact on the foot, they'll give a penalty. That's why, 25 rounds in, we've already had more penalties than any other season before. We talk about consistency - they have been consistent.

Yet against Everton when Digne catches Salah in the box slightly that isn't a penalty.  Nor is the tangle of legs with Mane against Southampton, or the Newcastle keeper grabbing Mane's leg, or Mane being taken out after shooting against Burnley, or Salah against Villa, etc etc.  They are consistent at backing up each other's decisions and that is about as far as it goes.