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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1800 on: July 11, 2015, 08:05:42 pm »
Mirza showed her worth in that tie break, she's very good from the back of the court, but is found wanting a bit at the net

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1801 on: July 11, 2015, 08:06:02 pm »
Now that's the Mirza I want to see!
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1802 on: July 11, 2015, 08:18:48 pm »
Well done to Serena - oldest winner of the modern era. 

Well mannered and respectful to boot

Not according to some.

Apparently she's arrogant and disrespectful (!)

Greatest ever woman tennis player...  but there's always some who want to put the great down.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1803 on: July 11, 2015, 08:19:41 pm »
I do wish Vesnina would stop shouting 'uh yaaa' everytime she hits the ball!
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1804 on: July 11, 2015, 08:27:53 pm »
Wonderful play.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1805 on: July 11, 2015, 08:29:50 pm »
Who is Mirza's usual doubles partner? She's displaying so many weaknesses today! Hingis hasn't been her absolute best either, but she's played well enough.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1806 on: July 11, 2015, 08:32:06 pm »
Hingis is her usual partner and has been since Indian Wells, they've done really well as a team since they joined up

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1807 on: July 11, 2015, 08:34:49 pm »
Not according to some.

Apparently she's arrogant and disrespectful (!)

Greatest ever woman tennis player...  but there's always some who want to put the great down.

Is she greater than Graf or Navratilova? Genuine question as not sure how I'd rank them or who played in the strongest era?


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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1808 on: July 11, 2015, 08:35:29 pm »
3 bps gone for Hingis and Mirza

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1809 on: July 11, 2015, 08:46:28 pm »
Hingis is her usual partner and has been since Indian Wells, they've done really well as a team since they joined up

Interesting - thank you. I'm a casual fan, so this Wimbledon is the first time I've seen them play together. Mirza's forehand groundstrokes are superb, though she's still been making some unforced errors/poor shot selections on that side at crucial moments today. While her serve is a massive weapon, much more consistent and dangerous than Hingis'. But then I'm amazed at how weak her backhand side has been. And as you pointed out before, she's not that great at the net either. She's also seemed a little sluggish around the court in comparison to the other three. Which is why I was curious whether she usually played with a different partner.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1810 on: July 11, 2015, 08:48:29 pm »
Interesting - thank you. I'm a casual fan, so this Wimbledon is the first time I've seen them play together. Mirza's forehand groundstrokes are superb, though she's still been making some unforced errors/poor shot selections on that side at crucial moments today. While her serve is a massive weapon, much more consistent and dangerous than Hingis'. But then I'm amazed at how weak her backhand side has been. And as you pointed out before, she's not that great at the net either. She's also seemed a little sluggish around the court in comparison to the other three. Which is why I was curious whether she usually played with a different partner.

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I think part of the reason they've done so well is because they compliment each other's game styles so well. Mirza can stand on the baseline using her big forehand and Hingis can use her anticipation and hand skills around the net. When Hingis is trading from the baseline and Mirza is at the net they look fairly average

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1811 on: July 11, 2015, 08:52:02 pm »
Ridiculous shot.

Closing the roof now.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1812 on: July 11, 2015, 08:52:51 pm »
What a match. Come on Mirza/Hingis!
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1813 on: July 11, 2015, 08:53:33 pm »
What weak backhand  :D
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1814 on: July 11, 2015, 08:59:44 pm »

Is she greater than Graf or Navratilova? Genuine question as not sure how I'd rank them or who played in the strongest era?

I think Graf was better. She was as mentally tough but had more skill (as far as I can remember - 'twas a long time ago now).

Navratilova played in too different an era (I think) to make a comparison.


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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1815 on: July 11, 2015, 09:03:52 pm »

Not according to some.

Apparently she's arrogant and disrespectful (!)

Greatest ever woman tennis player...  but there's always some who want to put the great down.

She's had her moments over the years but I don't think arrogance and disrespect can be leveled at her at this point.


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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1816 on: July 11, 2015, 09:17:16 pm »
Hingis and Mirza break straight away and serve for the match.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1817 on: July 11, 2015, 09:20:06 pm »
Never knew Mirza is married to Shoaib Malik.

Mirza and Hingis have played brilliantly since they were a break down.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1818 on: July 11, 2015, 09:21:32 pm »
Woohoo. There is life after singles. So pleased for Hingis.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1819 on: July 11, 2015, 09:21:52 pm »
Hingis a Wimbledon champion again!
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1820 on: July 11, 2015, 09:22:14 pm »
Get in!
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1821 on: July 11, 2015, 09:24:41 pm »
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Love Hingis skipping across the court in celebration  :D
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1822 on: July 11, 2015, 09:25:34 pm »
I want to see them get the trophy.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1823 on: July 11, 2015, 09:28:17 pm »
Not according to some.

Apparently she's arrogant and disrespectful (!)

Greatest ever woman tennis player...  but there's always some who want to put the great down.
I bet you think it's a travesty if Tiger Woods gets shit as well
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1824 on: July 11, 2015, 10:06:52 pm »
Well he's far, far more consistent that's for sure. Murray, like Djokovic and Nadal made use of his talent early on in his career. Started reaching his top level at a young age. Stan's had a very unique career trajectory. He always had an aesthetically pleasing game, but always crumbled under pressure. He had the odd good tournament here and there, but never anything more. The coach change a few years back to Magnus Norman really helped him get over the mental hurdles of constantly bottling it vs the 'big 4'.

On winning grand slams - I definitely disagree there. I have huge admiration for all the top players, with Nadal and Murray being my favorites, so it bugs me to see him lose, but Murray's never had the game to compete with a Djokovic/Nadal/ Federer who are having a good day. He's always been 3rd or 4th best. Don't get me wrong, he definitely deserved the 2 grand slams he has, he played very well, but given the competition, its about right. IMO Wawrinka, if he'd had the right coach and a better mentality when he was younger, would have been a big menace for the big 4 even in the Fed, Nadal and Djoko heyday of 05-14. In the key matches, while Murray often comes up short (I just don't think he has the weapons to hurt the other guys at the top, who tend to be his opponents in the finals), while Stan on a good day has that in his locker.

Of course, Murray has been unlucky in that when he was coming through he had two of the best players of all time to get past (Federer and Nadal), then when Nadal starts to fade he has to deal with Djokovic. Obviously those three were always likely to win more titles than him, but I feel that on a few occasions he's beaten himself as much as anything - I remember a couple of big matches against Djokovic where he was ahead and playing well, he made one mistake and let it get to him, went to pieces and lost. He seems to do that less now, but as someone said earlier, he still seems to be too conservative at times - just plays his normal game, which is good, but not quite good enough. He did play some brilliant shots at times yesterday and showed tremendous mental toughness in that long game, but it was always reactive, trying to resist Federer and hold on to his serve, rather than trying to dominate him and put him under pressure. Easier said than done obviously, but if you just defend and let him play, you've got no chance.

However in some ways he's been a victim of his own success and consistency - if he'd only got to 3/4 finals and won 2 of them, we'd all be saying he'd done as well as he could have - but the fact that he's got to 8 finals (and many other semis) yet only won 2, leads you to think that he could've done better given his ability. I think everyone takes for granted now how good he is - when you compare him to Tim Henman, who was good but only ever flirted with being a top player, Murray is on a completely different level.

In some ways he's a more interesting player than Federer and Djokovic, because you never quite know what you're going to get - when it comes to the big matches he often gives the impression that he's battling against some demon or other, against his own lack of belief in himself. He is mentally very tough but it's a different kind of toughness to Federer and Djokovic. Murray will keep fighting and can come back from seemingly impossible positions, but at times his confidence seems brittle - if he makes a big mistake he often lets it get to him and it affects his game, whereas those two seem much more controlled and able to shrug things off.

I really like him, I just feel it's shame he hasn't won more titles when he has the ability to do it.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1825 on: July 11, 2015, 10:51:46 pm »
I bet you think it's a travesty if Tiger Woods gets shit as well
FOH. Serena deserves all the plaudits.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1826 on: July 11, 2015, 11:05:16 pm »
FOH. Serena deserves all the plaudits.
and Woods doesn't? It's a bit weird how you're not allowed to dislike her for one reason or another regardless of how good she is
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1827 on: July 12, 2015, 11:09:39 am »
Is she greater than Graf or Navratilova? Genuine question as not sure how I'd rank them or who played in the strongest era?

Good question, mate. I only saw Serena at her peak, who really is a beast on the court, but from everything my 'pa tells me Navratilova is a cut above both her and Steffi Graf. He describes her as one of the smartest tennis players to ever play the game, while also being bullishly tough both physically and mentally, technically versatile in the way that Federer is ("she could play any kind of shot"), and a bit mad (always a positive). In his words, if the three were to play off against eachother Navratilova would win without question, quite smply because she was smarter. She would ruthlessly search out your weakness and once she found it that was it. Also, as a left hander she has an instant advantage over any right hander - forcing them to adjust their game.

One man's opinion. But a lucky bugger to see so many greats... Rod Laver being the all-time greatest for him (another left-hander).
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1828 on: July 12, 2015, 11:28:20 am »
Federer in 4 sets.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1829 on: July 12, 2015, 12:00:57 pm »
Is she greater than Graf or Navratilova? Genuine question as not sure how I'd rank them or who played in the strongest era?


I'd say so. Only injury can stop her from the us open now?

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1830 on: July 12, 2015, 12:01:55 pm »
I'd say so. Only injury can stop her from the us open now?

Would that make her the greatest. I think Graf did the calendar Grand slam too. All amazing players obviously.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1831 on: July 12, 2015, 12:04:03 pm »
Would that make her the greatest. I think Graf did the calendar Grand slam too. All amazing players obviously.
What's your name about?!

I think she's best ever already. Even not at her best she wins tournaments and major ones at that.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1832 on: July 12, 2015, 12:05:13 pm »
Would that make her the greatest. I think Graf did the calendar Grand slam too. All amazing players obviously.
She did the golden slam. Graf is the greatest in my opinion.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1833 on: July 12, 2015, 12:31:52 pm »
I think she's best ever already. Even not at her best she wins tournaments and major ones at that.

She's an absolute powerhouse both physically and mentally, and no doubt one of the greatest, but has she been somewhat lucky to be playing in time without many great female tennis players to challenge her? Her sister, Sharapova, Davenport (although she peaked a little earlier, I think), and Hingis if her ankles had held up. Conversely Navratilova faced Chris Evert, Steffi Graf, and Monica Seles in her time. With Graf facing a similar mix of players from both eras.

These hypotheticals are impossible though really. It's like Pelé vs Maradona. It becomes a generational thing of who saw who at their peak.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1834 on: July 12, 2015, 01:04:30 pm »
Who would the roof benefit today?

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1835 on: July 12, 2015, 01:05:57 pm »
Who would the roof benefit today?
It makes the ball travel slower right? So I suppose that aids the more defensive player - Djokovic
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1836 on: July 12, 2015, 01:06:16 pm »
Who would the roof benefit today?
Last time they played under the roof Fed absolutely destroyed Djokovic in the 2012 semi final.

100% Fed's advantage if it's under the roof. No chance of his backhand being affected by the conditions.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1837 on: July 12, 2015, 01:06:40 pm »
Andy Roddick has been a decent pundit. Hope the beeb keep him.
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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1838 on: July 12, 2015, 01:11:45 pm »
Federer advantage if the roof closes. The ball is less likely to move around and such facilitates the greater shot maker, which is Federer.

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Re: Wimbledon 2015
« Reply #1839 on: July 12, 2015, 01:12:20 pm »
I always find it a bit weird how people support particular individuals like supporting a team/club
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