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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #40 on: October 3, 2010, 05:57:27 pm »
Don't the mods usually lock threads like this?

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #41 on: October 3, 2010, 05:58:00 pm »
If this is true then he needs shipping out. Legend but should be replaced in the team by Agger.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #42 on: October 3, 2010, 05:58:05 pm »
if you dont mind me asking what did he say?

torres said it was probably best he went because of the ownership situation

The night Rafa's sacking/mutually agreed departure/whatever you want to call it was announced Torres spoke on Spanish radio and sounded everything but happy about Benitez leaving. I don't know if any players pushed for his departure but I would be extremely surprised if Torres was one of them.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #43 on: October 3, 2010, 05:58:57 pm »
Why?..we were on the slide last year..It was starting last year you could see it in how we were playing...off field problems,confidence something is really wrong

How can a team be on the slide after one season?

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #44 on: October 3, 2010, 05:59:01 pm »
"Carragher's use of "class and dignity" is instructive.
Those are the same words David Moyes used to describe Everton when responding to the former manager Rafael Benítez's description of his Merseyside rivals as "a small club".
George Gillett and Tom Hicks have brought financial turbulence to Anfield and supporters on to the streets.
Though Carragher refuses to mud-sling – "I'm not getting into why we lost that, but we do need to get back to it and I think we are" – it is clear he believes the American co-owners are not entirely responsible for Liverpool's recent soap opera.

"I just think that over the last few years people didn't like Liverpool.
Other managers didn't like us, we were always getting criticism in the press, obviously we were not doing well on the pitch so that comes with it, but everything was just negative Liverpool all the time."

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #45 on: October 3, 2010, 06:00:30 pm »
This thread is pointless and should be locked
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #46 on: October 3, 2010, 06:02:25 pm »
I really couldn't care less if any one of the players left now. They've been good in the past, but I am totally sick of watching football this bad over and over again. It really wouldn't be a disaster if any one of them left, including Gerrard and Torres.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #47 on: October 3, 2010, 06:03:17 pm »
This thread is pointless and should be locked

Why is that?

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #48 on: October 3, 2010, 06:04:07 pm »
if you dont mind me asking what did he say?
Put simply he said that he is still in touch with Carra and Gerrard and that he speaks to them both on pretty much a weekly basis. He said that Carra and Gerrard were pissed off with Rafa on an epic scale. This was just before Christmas if memory serves me right.

I posted it at the time mainly because I felt that it illustrated what a number of people on here could actually see for themselves and also because I had absolutely no reason to doubt Gary Mac's sincerity.
torres said it was probably best he went because of the ownership situation
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #49 on: October 3, 2010, 06:04:07 pm »
None of us know exactly what happened so this thread IS pretty pointless. I love Carra but if the accusations are true he has to go, it's unacceptable.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #50 on: October 3, 2010, 06:04:11 pm »
No player is bigger than the club, I don't care if your name is Jamie Carragher or Jean-Michel Ferri, if you go against the manager you should be out the door.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #51 on: October 3, 2010, 06:06:11 pm »
The night Rafa's sacking/mutually agreed departure/whatever you want to call it was announced Torres spoke on Spanish radio and sounded everything but happy about Benitez leaving. I don't know if any players pushed for his departure but I would be extremely surprised if Torres was one of them.

seriously? never heard of that before

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #52 on: October 3, 2010, 06:06:32 pm »
This thread is pointless and should be locked

It isn't actually. It's far more relevant than the bullshit Rafa v. Roy threads around.

The fact is, over the last season and 20 games, the managers have been different yet the football and effort on the pitch has been disgraceful. It means something.

It's fucking stupid, quite frankly, that someone will want Roy out then the next minute go and post in the Gerrard thread and coo over a compilation reel on Youtube.

The manager wasn't the problem last season, and this season, he's not the big problem on the pitch either.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #53 on: October 3, 2010, 06:07:38 pm »
Well Carragher continues to play every game, even though he is a shell of his former self, and a liability to the team
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #54 on: October 3, 2010, 06:08:12 pm »
wtf were purslow and broughton doing interviewing the candidates?? and they get us hodgson? ridiculous.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #55 on: October 3, 2010, 06:08:37 pm »
I'll say it then, because it needs to be said,
carra certainly had a hand in it.
the fucker should be shipped out to some champinship side where he belongs.
I don't care about what he's given the club over the years, that's fucking history, today is today.
player power my hole, I didn't see any fucking player power on the pitch today.
certain players there are living on past glories and think they're untouchable, it's embarrassing having our manager pander to the c*nts
in order to make them stay.
shanks or paisley would of have them out on their arses before they knew what fucking day it was.
Isn't this exactly what fans of the likes of Chelsea say about our 5 European cups and 18 leagues? :P

On a serious note, I agree that he isn't good enough any more, and I think that he's only in the starting 11 because of what he represents. And if he really had a hand in the sacking of the previous manager, he needs to be put in his place. Which is a team in the lower regions of the Premier League. Oh wait!

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #56 on: October 3, 2010, 06:08:51 pm »
If the obvious two had a hand in Benitez's sacking, a couple of seasons on the reserve bench would do them good. Carragher has fuck all resale value, and Gerrard's contract doesn't run out for a while. Couple of utter c*nts if the rumours are true, regardless of what they've done for us in the past.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #57 on: October 3, 2010, 06:10:01 pm »
I recall being told something along these lines late last year. I was laughed at from a few mates for even suggesting such a thing.

Player power in this day and age? No way! Yes fucking way.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #58 on: October 3, 2010, 06:10:40 pm »
My ex Girlfriend is such a classless person, I'm happy I left her, imagine buying her the Ferraris and Lambourginis, spending unforgettable time at the five star hotels of Istanbul, Cardif, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona and even at Manchester where we had great times, I even went as far as buying her a palace in the Champions street, when her highest ambition was a small flat there, and after all that she dumped me because she felt I didn't show her the love required, she said that I wasn't the man she wanted when few years ago I was the best man in the world, apparently she wanted someone who'd rather put his arm round her shoulder, than someone who is dedicated and does whatever she says but somehow cold in his persona.

Fortunatly for me, once she dumped me, I got a call from Miss Europe, she says that she wanted me for years, apparently what was preventing her is me showing enough dedication to my ex, I can't be happier, not only is she more smart and organizied than my ex, she is Miss Italy as well so she is fit as fuck.

Did I need to say whats happened to my ex, she got someone who don't stop putting his arm round her shoulder, but it turned out he was a wanker, he took all her money and told her he'll buy her a palace like mine in the Champions street, but he bought her a small flat in the Championship street, she may be trying hard to hide her depression saying that her boyfriend needs more time to show his commitment but it is apparent that she'll go down with him to be fucking skint.

Me? I'm enjoying my time having less shouts and pressure from ex, and more blowjobs from Miss Italy and Europe.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #59 on: October 3, 2010, 06:11:49 pm »
The night Rafa's sacking/mutually agreed departure/whatever you want to call it was announced Torres spoke on Spanish radio and sounded everything but happy about Benitez leaving. I don't know if any players pushed for his departure but I would be extremely surprised if Torres was one of them.
Yeah, it's definitely wasn't Torres or Reina. They were both upset that Rafa had left
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #60 on: October 3, 2010, 06:12:20 pm »
didnt maddock say in his 'rafa sacked' article that it was player power that got him out?

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #61 on: October 3, 2010, 06:12:23 pm »
well we saw it at Chelsea under Scolari, why not at Liverpool under Benitez?

and both coaches are two from different ends of the spectrum, Scolari bemoaned the fact that he couldnt act paternally over his chelsea players like he did with his brazilian and portuguese national sides
whilst Rafa was moaned at for not being paternal.

So you could be saying Chelsea's players were arrogant sods who knew how they wanted to play and the way they wanted to win, and that our players are just a bunch of pussies who needed the arm round the shoulder type just to tell them that they were good and that the adulation of 45,000 a week wasnt good enough.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #62 on: October 3, 2010, 06:12:53 pm »
Of course they had a fucking hand.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #63 on: October 3, 2010, 06:13:07 pm »
Stabbed your boss in the back, the man who made you fucking European Champions, and got in the man you wanted as manager. Just because Rafa wouldn't fucking cuddle you enough and fucking wank you off while telling you how fucking great you are.

If we were any kind of proper football team anymore they should both have been sold in the summer.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #64 on: October 3, 2010, 06:13:31 pm »
didnt maddock say in his 'rafa sacked' article that it was player power that got him out?

Yes, but he alluded to more than Carra and Gerrard.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #65 on: October 3, 2010, 06:13:45 pm »
My ex Girlfriend is such a classless person, I'm happy I left her, imagine buying her the Ferraris and Lambourginis, spending unforgettable time at the five star hotels of Istanbul, Cardif, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona and even at Manchester where we had great times, I even went as far as buying her a palace in the Champions street, when her highest ambition was a small flat there, and after all that she dumped me because she felt I didn't show her the love required, she said that I wasn't the man she wanted when few years ago I was the best man in the world, apparently she wanted someone who'd rather put his arm round her shoulder, than someone who is dedicated and does whatever she says but somehow cold in his persona.

Fortunatly for me, once she dumped me, I got a call from Miss Europe, she says that she wanted me for years, apparently what was preventing her is me showing enough dedication to my ex, I can't be happier, not only is she more smart and organizied than my ex, she is Miss Italy as well so she is fit as fuck.

Did I need to say whats happened to my ex, she got someone who don't stop putting his arm round her shoulder, but it turned out he was a wanker, he took all her money and told her he'll buy her a palace like mine in the Champions street, but he bought her a small flat in the Championship street, she may be trying hard to hide her depression saying that her boyfriend needs more time to show his commitment but it is apparent that she'll go down with him to be fucking skint.

Me? I'm enjoying my time having less shouts and pressure from ex, and more blowjobs from Miss Italy and Europe.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #66 on: October 3, 2010, 06:13:49 pm »
Yeah, it's definitely wasn't Torres or Reina. They were both upset that Rafa had left

I remember seeing Gerrard and Carra on the same day Rafa was sacked, getting out of the England's plane and smilling their asses off, they were so happy during this time, and I'm sure it wasn't because of accompanying Rooney and Terry at South Africa.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #67 on: October 3, 2010, 06:14:56 pm »
Put simply he said that he is still in touch with Carra and Gerrard and that he speaks to them both on pretty much a weekly basis. He said that Carra and Gerrard were pissed off with Rafa on an epic scale. This was just before Christmas if memory serves me right.

I posted it at the time mainly because I felt that it illustrated what a number of people on here could actually see for themselves and also because I had absolutely no reason to doubt Gary Mac's sincerity.Yes, Torres is quite the diplomat.

Really makes me sad to read that, because both players have been such fantastic servants for the club, obviously both local boys so they're idolized on the kop even more so, but I mean seriously, if that is true, fuck off the pair of 'em.

Feel good that you don't have to play in positions you don't like, even if it's where the team will benefit the most? Feel good that you don't have to worry about slowly being rotated out of the side, even when you're clearly on the decline? Feel good that you've played a role in getting rid of the man most capable of keeping us competitive while the ownership issues were sorted? Well done lads, stellar job you've done.

IF it's true, neither of them would look out of place in that picture of Rafa as Julius Caesar, with G+H, Broughton and Purslow in the background sticking the knife in. Reputations forever tarnished in my mind, sure I'll coo over every Gerrard belter, or applaud Carra's last ditch tackles; but when the game's over, and I look at them, I'll remember what they did, and I won't feel the same adoration that I once did.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #68 on: October 3, 2010, 06:21:41 pm »
This thread is pointless and should be locked
From PT:

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This one from PT, gives enough point for discussion if it is true.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #69 on: October 3, 2010, 06:21:55 pm »
"We've had situations like Martin O'Neill and Steve Bruce criticising Liverpool and they were right," Carragher said. "We shouldn't be getting involved with stuff like that. Everyone else should look at Liverpool and say they have dignity, class. I mean, like the way people look at Arsenal."

It was unfortunate timing as Arsene Wenger then spent the next month fighting with everyone, including match officials.

"I didn't see his quote but I like Carra as a player and he has to keep focusing on doing things well for Liverpool. Maybe he has an opinion but I don't think Shankly would agree with him. For me the manager of Liverpool Football Club has to defend the club and his players against everyone. The name of the other manager doesn't matter. If you know the story inside you will understand why these managers are talking and I think for our fans it's very clear.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #70 on: October 3, 2010, 06:22:41 pm »
Just my opinion but I cant use rumour and speculation from people who havent always been truthful as a way to hang 2 of the best servants we've had for this club.

I know people are angry with where we are as a club right now but I dont think that venting that anger at these 2 players in question is the way to go. They dont sign the cheques, assign the roles and they dont ask for the loans. They shouldnt be blamed for the decisions of a few people that are currently at the head of our football club.

Regardless of how either of them may or may not have felt. Their opinions dont mean for much at all and if certain people did allow them to, then they are the people who the anger should be targetted at...IMO.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #71 on: October 3, 2010, 06:23:13 pm »
"Carragher's use of "class and dignity" is instructive.
Those are the same words David Moyes used to describe Everton when responding to the former manager Rafael Benítez's description of his Merseyside rivals as "a small club".
George Gillett and Tom Hicks have brought financial turbulence to Anfield and supporters on to the streets.
Though Carragher refuses to mud-sling – "I'm not getting into why we lost that, but we do need to get back to it and I think we are" – it is clear he believes the American co-owners are not entirely responsible for Liverpool's recent soap opera.

"I just think that over the last few years people didn't like Liverpool.
Other managers didn't like us, we were always getting criticism in the press, obviously we were not doing well on the pitch so that comes with it, but everything was just negative Liverpool all the time."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/04/jamie-carragher-liverpool-testimonial

What I love most about Carra's views is that he has some.  however he's not always right and I don't agree with him here. Rafa branded everton a small club after we drew with them 0-0 at home, we needed to win to put pressure on man u on the top, albeit a slight pressure, and Everton parked the bus.  We had one chance that Crouch couldn't convert and Rafa out of anger mentioned that Everton a  small club or showed a small club mentality. Can't remember which.

Anywho, I thought I remember Moyes mentioning before that the Heysel disaster was one of the main reasons  Everton couldn't kick on and develop.

For what it's worth Hodgson has showed class and dignity through out his career and most of his early Pool press conferences but look whats it translated to on the pitch.

Carra also mentioned the universal praise Arsenal get for their way of conduct.  Arsenal are one of the few big clubs who have gone longer without anysort of a  trophy than we have. They seldom threaten seriously in the title race despite the technical excellence of their players and Fergie, the daddy of switching from class and dignity to mud slinging manc fucker, can't stop praising Wenger because of it.

Class and dignity is dependent on the stability that success brings but more so who ever is gawking at it. Also in the last 10 years or so I can never remember us getting great coverage. Those so many spiteful hacks who remember seeing Liverpool dominate the 70's an 80' s they can't resist getting the dig in. 
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #72 on: October 3, 2010, 06:23:24 pm »
Respect for the likes of Carra and Gerrard is rapidly disappearing.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #73 on: October 3, 2010, 06:25:42 pm »
Just my opinion but I cant use rumour and speculation from people who havent always been truthful as a way to hang 2 of the best servants we've had for this club.

I know people are angry with where we are as a club right now but I dont think that venting that anger at these 2 players in question is the way to go. They dont sign the cheques, assign the roles and they dont ask for the loans. They shouldnt be blamed for the decisions of a few people that are currently at the head of our football club.

Regardless of how either of them may or may not have felt. Their opinions dont mean for much at all and if certain people did allow them to, then they are the people who the anger should be targetted at...IMO.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #74 on: October 3, 2010, 06:28:53 pm »
You're deluded.
That I may be. But I just dont like this type of talk that is happening in this thread and I just had to get it off my chest before I turn around and the thread is 50 pages long.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #75 on: October 3, 2010, 06:30:18 pm »
Rename the thread to all the FANS who got rid of Rafa. And the media. Mind you, those 'fans' just saw their team beat Arsenal 2-0 didn't they. ::)
Rafa Benitez: "I’ll always keep in my heart the good times I’ve had here, the strong and loyal support of the fans in the tough times and the love from Liverpool. I have no words to thank you enough for all these years and I am very proud to say that I was your manager."

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #76 on: October 3, 2010, 06:32:48 pm »
seriously? never heard of that before
Yes, in his subtle Torres way (he isn't outspoken) but he wasn't pleased like it's been sometimes suggested in the UK. He added something like "but I'm happy for him after everything he's had to go through". I remember telling a Scouser friend of mine at the time that I thought he was going to leave Liverpool. Torres didn't say he was thinking about leaving, don't get me wrong, but sounded fairly down about the whole thing so I remember telling him to prepare himself for a Torres-less team this season.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #77 on: October 3, 2010, 06:33:11 pm »
I think Carra has realised his abilities are dwindling but still wants to play CB for Liverpool so he has devised a diabolical plot to get us relegated, to a level where he will be comfortable and suits his style :)
Carra has turned to the dark side, don't worry his son will bring balance to the force, till then the Hicks empire will persecute all, and then the New Anfield will be formed.
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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #78 on: October 3, 2010, 06:36:03 pm »
I know you're angry and all but you don't even know who to direct your fury at which makes this thread kinda pointless.

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Re: A question to the players still at liverpool who got rid of Rafa
« Reply #79 on: October 3, 2010, 06:37:15 pm »
I know you're angry and all but you don't even know who to direct your fury at which makes this thread kinda pointless.

Hi Jamie
Stabbed your boss in the back, the man who made you fucking European Champions, and got in the man you wanted as manager. Just because Rafa wouldn't fucking cuddle you enough and fucking wank you off while telling you how fucking great you are.