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« Reply #360 on: December 14, 2018, 01:45:11 pm »
Why did Corbyn block Jess Philips from joining Parliament's standards committee? What is he afraid of?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/29/jess-phillips-blocked-from-sleaze-watchdog-bid-after-labour-backs-out

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« Reply #362 on: December 14, 2018, 09:03:36 pm »
https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/1073477331711340544?s=21

Another mad idea
A state auditor isn’t a good idea... but the big 4 have such a monolopoly that it probably does need shaking up.
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« Reply #363 on: December 14, 2018, 09:07:03 pm »
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« Reply #364 on: December 14, 2018, 09:07:32 pm »
Why did Corbyn block Jess Philips from joining Parliament's standards committee? What is he afraid of?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/29/jess-phillips-blocked-from-sleaze-watchdog-bid-after-labour-backs-out

Because she's Jess Phillips.
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« Reply #365 on: December 14, 2018, 09:18:50 pm »
A state auditor isn’t a good idea... but the big 4 have such a monolopoly that it probably does need shaking up.
its so obvious they want the state to control everything, I mean being run by the state doesn’t mean being run better (those who remember how nationalised British Gas and British rail were are better placed than me to say), as usual just regulate stuff properly.

And of course where the hell would they get those auditors from anyway??

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« Reply #366 on: December 16, 2018, 11:02:15 pm »
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« Reply #367 on: December 16, 2018, 11:07:29 pm »
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« Reply #368 on: December 17, 2018, 11:53:18 am »
Student loan change adds £12bn to deficit

A change in how student loans are recorded in the public finances will add £12bn to the deficit, after an Office for National Statistics ruling.

The amount expected not to be repaid, which could be 45% of lending, will now be reported as public spending.

Student lending will now significantly push up the deficit - providing an incentive to cut tuition fees.

The government said the change would be taken into account by the tuition fees review, due to report early next year.

Labour's shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, said the ruling proved that the "student loans system is a fiscal illusion which flatters the government's record".

The decision by the statistics agency tackles an anomaly in which the cost of lending to students has been missing from the public finances.

The change has been welcomed by Nicky Morgan, chair of the Treasury select committee and former education secretary, who said the current system lacked scrutiny when the government could "spend billions of pounds of public money without any negative impact on its deficit target".

Nick Hillman, director of the Higher Education Policy Institute, said the "180-degree flip" will seem "embarrassing for policymakers".

But he warned it could mean less funding for students and universities as they "suddenly look much more costly to current taxpayers".

Approaching half of student lending is expected to be written off - and this will now have to be reclassified as spending, which the ONS says will push up the deficit by an anticipated £12bn.

This technical change could have major implications for the current review of university finance in England - which is considering whether to cut fees from £9,250 per year.

Higher levels of tuition fees require higher levels of lending - which will now show up as billions more on the deficit.

This will provide an incentive for the government to reduce the level of tuition fees, allowing them to limit the negative impact on the deficit.

The change applies to loans to students across the UK, but most of this will be accounted for by lending to students in England.

Much of university funding in England is now through tuition fees - and if fees were cut there would be questions about whether there would be a return to more direct funding.

Alistair Jervis, chief executive of Universities UK, warned against "knee-jerk reactions" to the ONS ruling which could cut spending on students or limit student numbers.

"It is essential that universities are properly and sustainably funded to ensure students receive the high quality university experience they rightly expect," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46591500

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« Reply #369 on: December 19, 2018, 02:34:56 pm »
Stupid woman eh?

Although claims to be stupid people.  You’d have to be really stupid to believe that when you see the clip.

Not the worst transgression in the world of course, but the denial makes it worse when he clearly said it. 

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« Reply #370 on: December 19, 2018, 02:39:07 pm »
Owen Smith apologises for 'smash May back on her heels' remark

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Labour leadership contender Owen Smith has been forced to apologise after saying he wanted to “smash” Theresa May “back on her heels”, during a major speech to outline his policy ideas.

Smith said he wanted to “smash austerity” and pledged a raft of new measures including scrapping the Department for Work and Pensions in favour of a Department for Labour, plans to make zero-hours contracts unlawful and to end the public sector pay freeze during his speech in South Yorkshire.

Those announcements, pitched to the party’s left, were overshadowed by criticism of his choice of language. Arguing that Labour should be going after the prime minister’s policies harder, he said: “It pained me that we didn’t have the strength and the power and the vitality to smash her back on her heels. These are our values, these are our people, this is our language that they are seeking to steal.”

Smith initially defended the comments as robust political language, but a spokesman said later the remarks were “off-script and, on reflection, it was an inappropriate choice of phrase and he apologises for using it”.

A spokesman for the campaign of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, said: “We need to be careful of the language we use during this contest as many members, including many female Labour MPs, have said they feel intimidated by aggressive language.”

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« Reply #371 on: December 19, 2018, 02:44:40 pm »
Err we only need to be careful of language when it’s said by someone who isn’t a Corbyn supporter
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« Reply #372 on: December 19, 2018, 02:54:08 pm »
Has he hired shami to do another inquiry?

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« Reply #373 on: December 19, 2018, 02:57:34 pm »
One other thing, jo Maugham has an article about how a general strike could be used to get a second referendum, not sure if he’s trolling with it but lots of corbynistas have bitten ;D

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« Reply #374 on: December 19, 2018, 03:11:29 pm »
Stupid woman eh?

Although claims to be stupid people.  You’d have to be really stupid to believe that when you see the clip.

Not the worst transgression in the world of course, but the denial makes it worse when he clearly said it.

I'm struggling to see the problem myself.  If he said "stupid women" then fair enough, he's generalizing and being sexist.  One of the female MPs said "she's fed up of being abused by men", which itself is surely a sexist generalization?  But calling someone a 'stupid woman' is a little like 'stupid manc', or 'he's a stupid man' - you are talking about an individual within a group, which by definition isn't misogynistic.  As far as I'm concerned it is the Tories using the virtue signalling tactic to get Brexit out of the news before Xmas when they really should be holding a vote to be able to react to this mess.

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« Reply #375 on: December 19, 2018, 03:26:05 pm »
...calling someone a 'stupid woman' is a little like 'stupid manc', or 'he's a stupid man' - you are talking about an individual within a group, which by definition isn't misogynistic...

'Stupid woman' is not the same as 'stupid man'. Historically there was a presumption that women were less intelligent and less competent than men. They were 'emotional' and prone to hysteria unlike men. There are stupid women just as there are stupid men. The misogyny occurs when there is a presumption of stupidity because she's a woman. This was parodied by Harry Enfield in his sketch 'Women, Know Your Limits'

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/aT6cB6vMWYU?fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/aT6cB6vMWYU?fs=1</a>

The individual/group thing is irrelevant. It was a stupid thing to do.

*edit. And for the record, it's also irrelevant whether Corbyn was intentionally being misogynistic. He should just apologise and make it clear he intended nothing by his remark. Otherwise the story just goes on and it gives cover to misogynists.
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« Reply #376 on: December 19, 2018, 03:50:21 pm »
I'm struggling to see the problem myself.  If he said "stupid women" then fair enough, he's generalizing and being sexist.  One of the female MPs said "she's fed up of being abused by men", which itself is surely a sexist generalization?  But calling someone a 'stupid woman' is a little like 'stupid manc', or 'he's a stupid man' - you are talking about an individual within a group, which by definition isn't misogynistic.  As far as I'm concerned it is the Tories using the virtue signalling tactic to get Brexit out of the news before Xmas when they really should be holding a vote to be able to react to this mess.
Stupid black?

Stupid Asian?

Etc etc.. that’s the problem.  Diane Abbott has  probably suffered from this more than anyone else
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« Reply #377 on: December 19, 2018, 03:57:20 pm »
Stupid woman eh?

Although claims to be stupid people.  You’d have to be really stupid to believe that when you see the clip.

Not the worst transgression in the world of course, but the denial makes it worse when he clearly said it. 



It's that they couldn't even come up with a good lie...

Something like 'Stupid comment' would have fit better ::)
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« Reply #378 on: December 19, 2018, 04:01:56 pm »
It's that they couldn't even come up with a good lie...

Something like 'Stupid comment' would have fit better ::)
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The mirror managed to get this lip reader to tell them he didn’t say woman

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« Reply #379 on: December 19, 2018, 04:51:46 pm »
It appears a by-election may be imminent. Labour gained the seat from the Tories with a 600 seat majority last year.

Fiona Onasanya: Peterborough MP guilty in speeding case

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An MP has been found guilty of perverting the course of justice by lying to police about who was behind the wheel of a speeding car.

Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya denied she was driving her car when it was caught doing 41mph in a 30mph zone in Thorney, Cambridgeshire, in July 2017.

The 35-year-old Labour MP was convicted in an Old Bailey retrial.

A Labour Party spokesman said she had been "administratively suspended" and called for her to resign.

He added: "The Labour Party is deeply disappointed in Fiona Onasanya's behaviour. It falls well below what is expected of politicians. She should now resign."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-46602635

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« Reply #380 on: December 19, 2018, 07:50:49 pm »
It appears a by-election may be imminent. Labour gained the seat from the Tories with a 600 seat majority last year.

Fiona Onasanya: Peterborough MP guilty in speeding case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-46602635

That will be a tight one, one I imagine Labour would rather not be fighting given how precarious the balance of Parliament is at present.

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« Reply #381 on: December 19, 2018, 07:56:55 pm »
A Lib Dem went to jail for that a few years ago didn’t he?

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« Reply #382 on: December 19, 2018, 08:06:55 pm »
A Lib Dem went to jail for that a few years ago didn’t he?

Yes.

Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce jailed for eight months

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21737627

I saw Pryce be interviewed during a business segment (mostly about Brexit) on the BBC News channel a couple of weeks ago.
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« Reply #383 on: December 19, 2018, 08:46:51 pm »
Yes.

Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce jailed for eight months

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21737627

I saw Pryce be interviewed during a business segment (mostly about Brexit) on the BBC News channel a couple of weeks ago.
will be interesting to see how that by election will go, and if it switches back to the Tories what the swing is

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« Reply #384 on: December 19, 2018, 10:03:25 pm »
Yes.

Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce jailed for eight months

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21737627

I saw Pryce be interviewed during a business segment (mostly about Brexit) on the BBC News channel a couple of weeks ago.

Price seems to resurrected her career as an economics pundit.

Huhne has sunk without trace.

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« Reply #385 on: December 19, 2018, 10:05:59 pm »
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« Reply #386 on: December 19, 2018, 10:56:59 pm »
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« Reply #388 on: December 20, 2018, 02:00:45 pm »
Her parliamentary colleagues found her confidence dwarfed her intelligence. Yet she was made a whip for seemingly no other reason than being a full-blown Corbynista.

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« Reply #389 on: December 20, 2018, 04:35:21 pm »
Ivan Lewis (MP for Bury) has resigned from the Labour party. His resignation letter is strong stuff.

https://twitter.com/JewishTelegraph/status/1075789517779599361

He had the whip withdrawn over an allegation he sexually harassed a young woman. Guardian.
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« Reply #390 on: December 21, 2018, 12:06:17 pm »
I see Chris Williamson is back to not caring about anti-semites.



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« Reply #391 on: December 21, 2018, 12:45:40 pm »
To be fair he was about due for another moment

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« Reply #392 on: December 21, 2018, 12:55:43 pm »
Williamson has apologised (on twitter naturally).

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« Reply #393 on: December 21, 2018, 01:12:55 pm »
If you thought Corbyns excuse was bad Williamson’s jazz one is a different level

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« Reply #394 on: December 22, 2018, 02:33:16 pm »
This is fucking fantastic by JK Rowling.

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And lo, unto her did appear a host of Corbyn defenders, who did descend upon her mentions, and she was not sore afraid, because she was used to it. And the host did sing with one voice, ‘ungodly woman, thou foolest us not.  We know the true reason thou despisest Saint Jeremy.’

And she did say unto them ‘share thy hot take.’ And with righteous wrath they did declare, ‘thou fearest Saint Jeremy, friend of the poor, because he shall take from thee in taxation much more even than Herod, and so thou attackest the meek and honest saviour of this land.’

And she did reply, ‘I shall not call ye dimwits, for it is the season of goodwill, but tis not Saint Jeremy who shall tax me, nay, not even if he enters the house of Number Ten, for my tax rates are set by Queen Nicola, in whose kingdom I do abide, and unto her I do pay

my full portion, seeking neither to flee to Monaco nor to hide my gold in far flung lands, like St Jacob, Patron Saint of Filthy Hypocrites.’ ‘Speak not of hypocrites!’ cried the host, ‘for thou dost claim to care about the poor yet doth rail against their champion, St Jeremy!’

And she did answer, ‘How shall the poor fare under Brexit, which thy Saint hath always in his secret heart desired, yet he hath not admitted what was in his heart, lest fewer attend his next Sermon on the Glastonbury B Stage.’ And they did answer, ‘Saint Jeremy will achieve

a miracle, and he shall bring forth a Jobs First Brexit and all the land shall rejoice.’ And she did answer, ‘bollocks.’ But she bethought her of the season of goodwill, and repenting of her ire she did speak further. ‘I have, for all my life, voted Labour, yet now I cannot.’

‘But his goodness doth shine out of his every orifice!’ cried the host, swarming anew into her mentions. ‘Behold his beard! Look upon this picture of him being led off by police when he was protesting racism in all its forms!’ And she did say, ‘I have looked upon his beard

...and also upon this picture. It is a good picture and I do like a beard, as I have oft declared. Yet must I protest, thou it breaketh my heart so to do, that this party of Labour, which I have so long loved, has become, under St Jeremy -‘

‘Speak not of the Jews!’ cried the host. ‘Why must thou speak so oft of the Jews?’ ‘Yea, I must speak,’ said she, ‘for when Jews no longer feel safe in Labour then I too must leave.’ And one of the host did shout something about the Rothschilds

and he was hastily hushed by his brethren, who did declare, ‘he is not one of ours, thou he sports a #JC4PM halo.’ And another did speak and he said, ‘it is not antisemitic to criticise Israel,’ and she did put her face in her hands and want to weep. 

But she did then look up and see many stars shining brightly in the sky and lo, they did arrange themselves before her eyes into a ‘who would make the best Prime Minister poll’ and she did cry, ‘Will ye not raise up your eyes to the Heavens? See there the People’s mind!’ 

And they did look up at the stars and read there that St Jeremy was, as for ages past, in third place after Pontus May and Don’t Know. And she spake further, ‘do ye not see that St Jeremy is hurting your party, yea, that his inability even to organise a vote of no confidence

doth embolden and strengthen this calamitous government, of which all despair?’ But they did close their eyes to the stars and some did answer, ‘you are a fool who doth not understand St Jeremy’s master plan’

and others still did beseech the woman to descend from the ivory tower in which, for the purposes of this story, they would wish her to dwell. And they besought her to descend into Bethlehem, and go to a certain allotment,

where she would find the Messiah busy with his marrows and she would be filled with the spirit of Momentum. But she did shake her head and declare that she was and would remain an unbeliever, yet full sorrowful she was, for Labour had been her home.

And the host did despise and condemn her, and many did tell her to fuck off and join the Tories, and before they did depart one of their number cried unto her, ‘it’s because he’ll tax you more, isn’t it,’ and she did sigh and wished him a Merry Christmas.
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Re: Politico-a-go-go Looney Tunes! Schorcio!
« Reply #395 on: December 22, 2018, 07:21:47 pm »
This is fucking fantastic by JK Rowling.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1076458808703180800


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And the host did despise and condemn her, and many did tell her to fuck off and join the Tories, and before they did depart one of their number cried unto her, ‘it’s because he’ll tax you more, isn’t it,’ and she did sigh and wished him a Merry Christmas.
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Re: Politico-a-go-go Looney Tunes! Schorcio!
« Reply #396 on: December 22, 2018, 07:41:06 pm »
This is fucking fantastic by JK Rowling.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1076458808703180800
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and he shall bring forth a Jobs First Brexit and all the land shall rejoice.’ And she did answer, ‘bollocks.’ But she bethought her of the season of goodwill, and repenting of her ire she did speak further. ‘I have, for all my life, voted Labour, yet now I cannot.’
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Re: Politico-a-go-go Looney Tunes! Schorcio!
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« Reply #398 on: December 22, 2018, 08:22:28 pm »

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"This party of Labour, for which so long I have loved....."

I imagine she speaks for many of us there. 
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Re: Politico-a-go-go Looney Tunes! Schorcio!
« Reply #399 on: December 22, 2018, 08:26:35 pm »
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