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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #760 on: August 9, 2019, 10:02:04 pm »
Such an annoying pundit. Really awful pundit. Legend he may be but I can't stand his commentary.

Agreed, him and Tyler were both awful tonight
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #761 on: August 9, 2019, 10:10:28 pm »
Is a fucking cockwomble.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #762 on: August 9, 2019, 10:12:01 pm »
What did he do?

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #763 on: August 9, 2019, 10:19:16 pm »
What did he do?

Tries too hard to be objective and it is so forced. Wants to be friends with everyone and was eulogising about Everton away trips to Norwich... pure arsehole.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #764 on: August 9, 2019, 11:20:32 pm »
I'm not usually one to join the pile-on on Carra, he's a Liverpool legend in my eyes, I grew up watching him leave everything on the pitch for us year upon year upon year. But he was chatting some rare shit tonight. "Liverpool would've lost this against better opposition" is such a fucking lazy observation, we wouldn't have been playing like that against better opposition. We knew the game was won and just allowed complacency to creep in.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #765 on: August 11, 2019, 11:06:04 am »
Absolutely terrible pundit, cringe every time he has something to say.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #766 on: August 11, 2019, 12:31:12 pm »
Always tends to happen with ex players when they go into media, they try and compensate for their natural bias, and then swing completely the other way and develop an agenda against their former team(s).




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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #767 on: August 11, 2019, 03:28:46 pm »
In fairness to Carra he's a terrible pundit even when we are not involved...


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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #768 on: August 11, 2019, 04:15:38 pm »
He’s awful and tries way too hard.

Would prefer him off my screen these days.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #769 on: August 11, 2019, 05:33:07 pm »
When he said he was 'delighted' Noriwch got a goal I thought 'oh oh Twitetr will hang him'. Tbf you could argue they did 'deserve' one for actually trying (which many better sides will not do this season) but he shouldn't have said it with such enthusiasm.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #770 on: August 11, 2019, 05:35:21 pm »
Think he's clearly been told not to come across too biased, and imagine if you heard him commentate as the fan he is then he'd be very different.

Can't have too much of a go at him for that, as must be hard to hide such bias and will no doubt sometimes mean some clangers.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #771 on: August 13, 2019, 12:23:36 pm »
The bloke's a toatal fucking legend.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #772 on: August 13, 2019, 12:35:16 pm »
Liverpool legend, seems like a top fella too.

Commentates on us like the worst kind of main stand moaner tho, probably too close to it

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #773 on: August 13, 2019, 03:18:25 pm »
They have hired him for Swedish TV last couple of years as a pitchside pundit for our Champions League games and there he's as pro-Liverpool biased as humanely possible when he's in with a foreign audience. Everyone keep calm.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #774 on: August 13, 2019, 03:34:09 pm »
Taking away the pro-Liverpool stance he should have or the anti-Liverpool stance he does have, the real issue is that he just isn't a good co-commentator. Even in games not involving us, he constantly reads the play wrong and seems oblivious to what is happening in front of his eyes. Doesn't seem to really understand the tactical side of things away from MNF, when he obviously has time to prepare or may even get things fed to him.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #775 on: September 2, 2019, 12:34:46 am »
Maybe I was a bit harsh on him a few weeks ago, but man he was pants in his co commentary for the Norwich game. Seems to have settled in a bit into the season and giving more balanced, better quality contributions.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #776 on: October 22, 2019, 06:37:45 am »
Patrice Evra: Jamie Carragher apologises for Luis Suarez T-shirts
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Ex-Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher has apologised to Patrice Evra for wearing T-shirts in support of Luis Suarez after the Uruguayan racially abused the Frenchman in 2011.

After a two-month investigation, Suarez was given an eight-game ban by the Football Association on 21 December.

A day later, Liverpool wore 'Suarez 7' T-shirts in the warm-up before their Premier League game against Wigan.

Carragher said the club "got it massively wrong".

The former England defender was working in his role as pundit on Sky Sports on Monday alongside ex-Manchester United full-back Evra.

Carragher said: "There is no doubt we made a massive mistake; that was obvious. We got to the ground, had our lunch and then had a team meeting - I don't know if it was the manager [Kenny Dalglish] or [coach] Steve Clarke - asking one of the players if he was still wearing the shirt, and that is the first I had heard of it.

"I am not lying and saying I wasn't part of it because as the club we got it wrong, and I was vice-captain. I am not sure who was actually behind it. I don't think it had anything to do with the manager Kenny; I think it was the players who were close to Luis in the dressing room, who really wanted to support their mate.

"Maybe I have to look at myself now and say I did not have the courage as an individual to say 'I am not wearing it'. I don't think everyone within Liverpool Football Club thought what we were doing was right but I do think as a football club, or you as a family, your first reaction is to support them even if you know that they are wrong, and that is wrong."

Evra added: "When I saw it I was like, this is ridiculous. This is unbelievable. You put your own club in danger when you do those things. You always have to support your player because he is from your team but this was after the ban. If it was before and we were waiting for the sanction, I would understand.

"What message do you send to the world? Supporting someone being banned because he used some racist words."

What happened between Suarez and Evra?

In November 2011, Suarez was charged by the Football Association with racially abusing Evra in a 1-1 draw between Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield one month earlier.

On 20 December, Suarez was banned for eight games following a six-day hearing, during which Suarez was accused of using "insulting words", which included reference to the colour of Evra's skin. The ban was suspended pending an appeal. One day later, Suarez started in a 0-0 draw against Wigan, a game in which he and his team-mates wore T-shirts with Suarez's name and picture on during the warm-up, in a display of support for the Uruguayan.

Liverpool backed the player in the dispute, saying: "We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone.

"No-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United team-mates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth."

Suarez told media in Uruguay that he "called [Evra] something his team-mates at Manchester call him".

Evra made his claims immediately after the match and was quoted as telling French television station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see [Suarez] say a certain word to me at least 10 times."

The Football Association's report into the incident, released at the end of December 2011, stated that, after being tackled by the Uruguayan, Evra asked Suarez why he had kicked him, to which the forward replied in Spanish: "Because you are black."

When Evra challenged him to repeat the answer and said he would "punch him", Suarez said: "I don't speak to blacks."

Suarez is said to have used the term "negro" seven times in around two minutes.

On 3 January 2012, Liverpool decided not to appeal against the verdict, but the club maintained Suarez was innocent.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #777 on: October 22, 2019, 06:44:45 am »
Genuinly don’t think he had much option but to say that. Pretty stitiched up by Sky to have Evra there when they are doing a big push on racism and then this being brought up.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #778 on: October 22, 2019, 08:42:24 am »
Whilst I didn't agree with the t-shirt idea, I dont think there is anything to apologise for. It was a pathetic attempt by the club to support a player who, for all his talents, was just accused of being a racist. They could've shown solidarity in 1000s of other ways, and this t-shirt was not even among the 100 worst ideas. And yet it was done. But whats done is done.

Having said that, fair dos Carra. It takes one to identify a mistake, leave alone apologise. On live telly.

But that doesn't absolve Evra of the c*nt player that he was.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #779 on: October 22, 2019, 09:10:14 am »
Carragher is an absolute embarrassment these days. Should've been a club legend, instead he's just a Rupert Murdoch puppet.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #780 on: October 22, 2019, 09:19:53 am »
Carragher is an absolute embarrassment these days. Should've been a club legend, instead he's just a Rupert Murdoch puppet.
When has he been any different lad, kept his mouth shut when the club nearly went under and helped shaft Rafa just so he got himself a nice new contract when he should have been bombed out of the club earlier. Sickening to hear him , Evra has pulled that race card a few times so I would have serious doubts about his side of events . Should his true form assaulting that fan but makes loads of videos acting the nice guy so he must be right? If I was on the board I would be pulling him aside and warning him if he keeps up his shite he won’t be stepping inside Anfield again. 

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #781 on: October 22, 2019, 09:39:26 am »
He was an embarrassment on Sunday. Neville and Tyler spent the whole 90 minutes laying into us; we needed Carragher to give it back to them but instead he not only allowed it to continue but he got involved, started some elements of the criticism and egged them on.

This Evra thing is no different. He's not saying his opinion, he's just saying what Sky want him to.

Instead of apologising for wearing t-shirts, he should have asked Evra to apologise for licking and sucking a fucking uncooked turkey.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #782 on: October 22, 2019, 09:54:30 am »
He was an embarrassment on Sunday. Neville and Tyler spent the whole 90 minutes laying into us; we needed Carragher to give it back to them but instead he not only allowed it to continue but he got involved, started some elements of the criticism and egged them on.

This Evra thing is no different. He's not saying his opinion, he's just saying what Sky want him to.

Instead of apologising for wearing t-shirts, he should have asked Evra to apologise for licking and sucking a fucking uncooked turkey.


Weird take this. We fucked up with the T-shirts and our stance on it. Evra Came accross well last night and Carragher did the right thing and even took blame on himself personally.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #783 on: October 22, 2019, 09:55:05 am »
He's completely right about the Evra stuff and it's embarrassing that people on here still can't see it.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #784 on: October 22, 2019, 10:11:11 am »
Right or not, he really didn’t have much of an option.

Sky forced him into a corner, and could you imagine if he came out defending that in the wake of recent events? He’s have been absolutely slated left, right and centre in the press.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #785 on: October 22, 2019, 10:21:52 am »
He was a big moaner on the pitch. Remember him blaming Enrique for everything when his legs were gone.

Now he just moans about Liverpool on commentary all the time too.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #786 on: October 22, 2019, 10:31:32 am »
He's a grade A plonker.

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« Reply #787 on: October 22, 2019, 10:32:58 am »
I think the episode cast a dark cloud over the club and I'm glad Carragher has admitted we got it wholly wrong. I remember feeling completely at unease about it at the time: the pseudo RAWK lawyers, the lip reading experts, the false "negrito" narrative and the Uruguyan grannies - all muddied the waters and the t-shirt fiasco only compounded matters. My non-Liverpool and indeed non-football fans were dumbfounded by our stance. Suarez would do anything to gain an advantage, to win at all costs. I don't doubt he would say something to a player from a fierce rival to rile them up and provoke a reaction and get them sent off - we saw similar with the ear biting, the play acting, etc.

A lot of people turned a blind eye to his dubious character flaws to defend the indefensible - it's only since hes left us and acted a c*nt that there seems to be broader revision amongst our fanbase.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #788 on: October 22, 2019, 10:35:57 am »
Wonder what his problem with Trent is? The 3 of them seem to loathe him and every commentary is relentless snide digs, if Robbo makes a mistake, Trent gets the stick  ;D Meanwhile barely a peep from yet another woeful bit of defending from Bissaka costing Utd a goal, that's about 5 this season but apparently he's a rock defensively.

Agree with this- there is a weird narrative forming around Trent from the media as a whole. He is (just) 21, double Champions League finalist, part of the best defence in the country but anyone listening to these would think he was a liability. Even his ability on the ball is not praised as highly as it should be

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #789 on: October 22, 2019, 10:36:44 am »
He's completely right about the Evra stuff and it's embarrassing that people on here still can't see it.
Absolutely. Says it all about where we all stand with racism. Carra rightly pointed out Sterling and Mendy conveniently turning a blind eye to it when it suited their team mate too. We're all bad hypocrites. Particularly those that still defend our actions back then.

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #790 on: October 22, 2019, 10:38:50 am »
I think it was always going to be brought up once Evra was on particularly with Racism rearing its ugly head again

at least he admitted he got it wrong, there was plenty of people backing it up at the time (and at the time im sure i did)

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=284323.0

including that joke of a post "our suarez is a friend to all colours"

i think we were all a bit pissed our best player got suspended but lets face it the club handled it terribly
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« Reply #791 on: October 22, 2019, 10:40:06 am »
He's completely right about the Evra stuff and it's embarrassing that people on here still can't see it.

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« Reply #792 on: October 22, 2019, 10:43:01 am »
He's completely right about the Evra stuff and it's embarrassing that people on here still can't see it.

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« Reply #793 on: October 22, 2019, 11:16:30 am »
i think we were all a bit pissed our best player got suspended but lets face it the club handled it terribly

Exactly. Carra was pointing this out in his discussion with Evra. People have to understand this.

I dont like Evra. But I do think he was right in pointing it out. And Carra did the right thing, given the circumstances.


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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #794 on: October 22, 2019, 11:17:18 am »
Carragher is an absolute embarrassment these days. Should've been a club legend, instead he's just a Rupert Murdoch puppet.

My thoughts exactly. Backed into a corner last night, he could have said his views had changed and left it at that, as by definition you can bet the rest of the squad at the time will get bombarded with it and all the publicity will be bad for the club again.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #795 on: October 22, 2019, 11:34:39 am »
United handled it badly when Peter Schmeichel racially abused Ian Wright but they never apologised.

Evra abused Suarez's heritage and family to start it off so he wasn't the innocent victim he is portrayed as.

I wish Carrragher got sacked coz he's over compensating for spitting at that fan and sucking up to the Mancs. Cant stand him, hes a backstabber anyway. He loves United anyway. If you read his book he says how much he loves Ferguson and he grew up a blue. He's not one of us.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #796 on: October 22, 2019, 11:35:05 am »
It is amazing how time affects people's opinions. The only hypocrites here are those going back on their opinions at that time, quite possibly because Suarez is no longer in their good books. If you supported him then and not now, there is only one explanation.

The media agenda is as prevalent as ever and for people not to see it is fascinating. They are bullies who were called out last year quite rightly by Sterling, and like all bullies do, they backed down when confronted. They then pull a 180 and portray Sterling as a hero figure, but haven't called out his hypocrisy on Bernardo Silva either. He was out for himself, as most are.

The changing of opinions on this is the same as politicians towing the party line, saying whatever suits their current position, pretending it is based on their principles instead of realising it is their current self-interest driving their new position. It is the same as people suddenly disliking Suarez after we played them last year. He hasn't changed, your perspective has because of his new position in relation to you.

I was fine with getting on Suarez's back during the game, after all, it is all healthy competition, but those who kept a grudge and saw his reptuation as somehow tainted after that game are the people who need to re-evaluate their basis for forming opinions. Again, Suarez hasn't changed.

The same is true of Carragher now. He is still the same person as he has always been. His apology isn't from a new found revelation in his life, it is based on his new self-interest. If he didn't believe in the shirts then, he should have said something then, otherwise this apology just comes from the same place, being put in a position and going along with it. Which is exactly the type of behaviour that allows racism to go unchecked in the first place. People not wanting to stand out, not wanting to risk confrontation, going along with something to avoid any awkwardness that may arise.

Nobody in the situation is doing anything noble or progressive. It is just easier now to go along with that narrative as it is has less of an impact on the reputation of present day Liverpool FC and its players, and provides a guise for having evolved and learned from a situation. My guess is that a similar situation happens today and everyone backs our player (as happened with Firmino not too long ago).

Backing our player isn't morally wrong either as it all depends on context, evidence and the situation itself. Those aspects are still the same on the Suarez case as they were then, so the points being made at the time are still valid, and if it is racist now, then it was racist then, and those who defended him, who have now reversed their opinions defended what they consider racist behaviour, which is clearly morally wrong.

Defending him wasn't the easy or popular path of least resistance, so whether it was foolish, it was brave of Liverpool to take that stand. As far as I can see, everyone else has opted now for that path of least resistance. We all had the same facts then as we do now, and I don't remember many, if any, voices speaking against the club then despite the criticism we were getting from those outside. But maybe that was again just sheep going along with the herd, the same behaviour that is now driving the reverse opinion.

Have whatever opinion you want, but to jump on your high horse now, given the opinions some of the same people had then is laughable.
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #797 on: October 22, 2019, 11:41:17 am »
Wonder what his problem with Trent is? The 3 of them seem to loathe him and every commentary is relentless snide digs, if Robbo makes a mistake, Trent gets the stick  ;D Meanwhile barely a peep from yet another woeful bit of defending from Bissaka costing Utd a goal, that's about 5 this season but apparently he's a rock defensively.

Who? The ex-United RB who had an ounce of the talent of Trent, the ex-LFC RB/CB who maybe had even less....and Martin Tyler? No idea ;)
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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #798 on: October 22, 2019, 11:50:45 am »
Can't stand Carragher these days, but the whole Suarez t-shirt thing was just a shitshow. This probably wasn't the way anyone should have had to apologise though (should have happened a long time ago anyway, if that is what Evra was after), but Sky will have loved doing it like this. So good for him for it in that sense, not that he had any choice.

One thing it doesn't change though is the fact that Patrice Evra is one of the snidest, nastiest pricks in football. 

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Re: Jamie Carragher
« Reply #799 on: October 22, 2019, 11:55:42 am »

Weird take this. We fucked up with the T-shirts and our stance on it. Evra Came accross well last night and Carragher did the right thing and even took blame on himself personally.

Wasnt he captain on the day? He can hardly shirk responsibility, he could have easily stopped it (or Kenny).

Didnt help that Teflon Ayre was running the club at the time.
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