Topic: Álisson Ramsés Becker

[stockdam]

I don't even think he has made that many top saves this season, (top save to me is one you have no right to make)

True but that’s because he is a big keeper who has great positioning and uses his feet well. He makes a great save look routine.

[CraigDS]

If Mignolet leaves surely he'd be perfect back up?

Can’t see Milan wanting to let him go, but yeah I’d imagine he’d be a great fit here both in terms of keeping style and personality.

[El Lobo]

Nah wouldn’t want Pepe back, not after what Achterberg did to him

[stockdam]

For me he is as important as VVD to the team. What an outstanding buy.

In the past we had threads discussing how paying big money for a top class keeper made sense and how keepers were undervalued. Nobody would imply that Alisson wasn’t worth the money (relatively).

[LallanaInPyjamas]

For me he is as important as VVD to the team. What an outstanding buy.

I think he's more important because of who he replaced. We'd had weak goalkeepers for close to a decade if you include Reina's drastic downturn in form from c. 2011, whereas our central defenders have rarely been weak during that time-frame; they've just not been top bracket like VVD.

A goalkeeper with poor technique and/or poor mentality would have eventually crumbled in that second half. Let's be honest Spurs peppered our goal with some decent strikes. For him to avert all of them from the danger zone was phenomenal.

He doesn't get the recognition because he's very orthodox in most ways. Whereas a goalkeeper like De Gea reacts much later, as well as utilising his legs more often, which can make his saves look more spectacular. But actually his save rate is consistently worse, especially from distance.

[oxenstierna]

What a role he played in the CL campaign considering we went through on goal difference in the group stages. Every single save he made, especially against Napoli and PSG away (everyone remember the Napoli home) ensured we qualified. Was immense in the home leg against Barca as well and very assured in the final. Brilliant first full season.

Also want to say a few words on Mignolet. He wanted out in the summer, but remained a model professional throughout the whole season. Despite him not featuring much im sure he contributed on the training field every day by pushing Alisson, discussing with him and the GK team and in general not being negative around the squad - thats my impression anyways

[Xanderzone]

Best in the world of current form.

None of whats happened was possible without his save from Milik in the 91st minute in December.

[JackWard33]

I think he's more important because of who he replaced. We'd had weak goalkeepers for close to a decade if you include Reina's drastic downturn in form from c. 2011, whereas our central defenders have rarely been weak during that time-frame; they've just not been top bracket like VVD.

This. He’s the biggest upgrade we’ve made in years to our weakest position that had hamstrung the team
Sticking with mignolet was a bizarre Klopp blind spot but he’s fixed it in spades

[Cu Chulainn]

This. He’s the biggest upgrade we’ve made in years to our weakest position that had hamstrung the team
Sticking with mignolet was a bizarre Klopp blind spot but he’s fixed it in spades

Was it a blind spot? I mean, he bought in Karius in his first summer window and that just didn't work out. He knew we needed a different keeper (I don't think Mignolet is a bad keeper at Premier League level, just not elite and stylistically wrong for us) but he likes giving players chances and he doesn't have unlimited funds so yeah, it took 2 years, but I think he figured out pretty quickly that we needed someone else. Thankfully we got the best in the world 

[oxenstierna]

I think Alisson was to good a fit to pass on. If he was inaccessible I dont think we would have gone for any other GK, say Leno or Kepa

[Sharado]

I think Alisson was to good a fit to pass on. If he was inaccessible I dont think we would have gone for any other GK, say Leno or Kepa

Imagine one of those fucking jokers in net for us and not the best in the world Brazilian king. Fucking hell.

[Coolie High]

Was it a blind spot? I mean, he bought in Karius in his first summer window and that just didn't work out. He knew we needed a different keeper (I don't think Mignolet is a bad keeper at Premier League level, just not elite and stylistically wrong for us) but he likes giving players chances and he doesn't have unlimited funds so yeah, it took 2 years, but I think he figured out pretty quickly that we needed someone else. Thankfully we got the best in the world 

It was, some people still wanted to stick with Karius after last seasons CL, because we didn’t need to spend excess money on a world class keeper who won’t make as much difference as all the other outfield players, or something to that tone.

[clinical]

For me he is as important as VVD to the team. What an outstanding buy.

In the past we had threads discussing how paying big money for a top class keeper made sense and how keepers were undervalued. Nobody would imply that Alisson wasn’t worth the money (relatively).

You only had to look at De Gea last few years (not this one) to realise that.

[Dim Glas]

It was, some people still wanted to stick with Karius after last seasons CL, because we didn’t need to spend excess money on a world class keeper who won’t make as much difference as all the other outfield players, or something to that tone.

So it was some fans blind spot rather than the managers. 

[clinical]

So it was some fans blind spot rather than the managers.

Yeah like with not needing a defensive midfielder either. DM ultras got a bad rep haha. Fabinho made everyone a DM ultra now.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Nah wouldn’t want Pepe back, not after what Achterberg did to him

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[Mozology]

What a role he played in the CL campaign considering we went through on goal difference in the group stages. Every single save he made, especially against Napoli and PSG away

that's an excellent point, we could've easily gone under away to PSG and lost heavily but he kept the scoreline down, and it ended up proving decisive.

[El Lobo]

It was, some people still wanted to stick with Karius after last seasons CL, because we didn’t need to spend excess money on a world class keeper who won’t make as much difference as all the other outfield players, or something to that tone.

‘The Champions League final had nothing to do with us getting Alisson. Even if he had won it and Alisson would have been on the market we would have still signed him.

"And how the people reacted negatively to Karius after the final, by trying to isolate him, that almost made me not sign Alisson and rather stick it out with Karius. But we had to be professional, our job is to have the best players in every position.

"Did the Champions League final mistake affect him badly? I don't think so.

"There are worse things in the world, you should never forget that. We are talking about a luxury problem here. Who the No.1 is might be decisive for some. But it isn't everything.’

And those who jumped all over Karius and slagged him off at every opportunity almost stopped us getting Alisson

[Dim Glas]

Yeah like with not needing a defensive midfielder either. DM ultras got a bad rep haha. Fabinho made everyone a DM ultra now.

I was firmly in the DM ultra camp, long before it was cool to be one    I was always amused by this assumption some had that Klopp never used defensive midfielders at his other clubs, when in fact he'd always pretty much used them!

My big failing was thinking the club was utterly bonkers spending 75 mill on Virgil Van Djik. I have of course realised the error of my ways, we should in fact have been paying about 150 mill for him 

[Sangria]

If Mignolet leaves surely he'd be perfect back up?

He'd add squad depth in midfield as well.

[Mr_Shane]

I was firmly in the DM ultra camp, long before it was cool to be one    I was always amused by this assumption some had that Klopp never used defensive midfielders at his other clubs, when in fact he'd always pretty much used them!

My big failing was thinking the club was utterly bonkers spending 75 mill on Virgil Van Djik. I have of course realised the error of my ways, we should in fact have been paying about 150 mill for him 

What ever it is we paid for Virgil and Alisson, it was worth it. These two alone have solidifed our defense for the next few years.

[duvva 💅]

It was, some people still wanted to stick with Karius after last seasons CL, because we didn’t need to spend excess money on a world class keeper who won’t make as much difference as all the other outfield players, or something to that tone.

I was definitely in the give Karius another chance camp. But it had nothing to do with money I just didn’t think Alisson was a significant upgrade. I was wrong. VERY wrong.

Like to think Alisson will be here the majority of his career and mean we’re sorted for the next 10 years.

[mercurial]

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Heard it was really gruesome and kinky in many ways, using gloves and balls.

[simbo]

Nah wouldn’t want Pepe back, not after what Achterberg did to him

Disagree Pepe can come back and start his Coaching career and take over the GK role long term

[PhaseOfPlay]

Disagree Pepe can come back and start his Coaching career and take over the GK role long term

Achterberg is only 47. How long term are you thinking?

[Clayton Bigsby]

He is the difference.

[JackWard33]

Was it a blind spot? I mean, he bought in Karius in his first summer window and that just didn't work out. He knew we needed a different keeper (I don't think Mignolet is a bad keeper at Premier League level, just not elite and stylistically wrong for us) but he likes giving players chances and he doesn't have unlimited funds so yeah, it took 2 years, but I think he figured out pretty quickly that we needed someone else. Thankfully we got the best in the world 

Don’t get me started on how over played Mignolet was and just how bad he was

We’ve got Alison now we never need to talk about it or think about it again *shudder*

[afc tukrish]

Achterberg is only 47. How long term are you thinking?

As long as the balls stay inflated?

[rafathegaffa83]

I was firmly in the DM ultra camp, long before it was cool to be one    I was always amused by this assumption some had that Klopp never used defensive midfielders at his other clubs, when in fact he'd always pretty much used them!

I'd had one at the top of my wishlist every summer after Mascherano left

[PhaseOfPlay]

As long as the balls stay inflated?

and we have little blue pills for that, just in case

[El Lobo]

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I’m gonna class that as a hooking 

[PhaseOfPlay]

I’m gonna class that as a hooking 

You git!!!!



However, in my defence, I'm always amazed that Mike Kelly has slipped out of everyone's memories, like he never even existed. Like a goalkeeping Ali Bongo.

[Hazell]

I was definitely in the give Karius another chance camp. But it had nothing to do with money I just didn’t think Alisson was a significant upgrade. I was wrong. VERY wrong.

Like to think Alisson will be here the majority of his career and mean we’re sorted for the next 10 years.

I would have been happy with Karius going into the season, regardless of his performance in the Champions League final - he was concussed after all, something which is obviously conveniently forgotten because, well why would you? - some of the shit he got for that game and since was unreal. Anyway, we were linked with Alisson way before that game so it was pretty irrelevant.

No doubt Alisson's improved us though, can only remember Reina being as strong a goalkeeper for us.

[Red Eyed]

With some keepers in the past we often ended up wondering "should he have saved that?" but with Alisson it's more "was that a difficult save?" I don't know how he manages to make everything look so easy, he's like the GK equivalent of Van Dijk.

[PoetryInMotion]

This. He’s the biggest upgrade we’ve made in years to our weakest position that had hamstrung the team
Sticking with mignolet was a bizarre Klopp blind spot but he’s fixed it in spades

What's bizarre is calling it Klopp's blind-spot.

[PhaseOfPlay]

With some keepers in the past we often ended up wondering "should he have saved that?" but with Alisson it's more "was that a difficult save?" I don't know how he manages to make everything look so easy, he's like the GK equivalent of Van Dijk.

Three words:

Positioning, positioning, and footwork.

[OOS]

Needs a proper song.

[newterp]

Three words:

Positioning, positioning, and footwork.

He also "seems" to have sharper reflexes

[PoetryInMotion]

I was firmly in the DM ultra camp, long before it was cool to be one    I was always amused by this assumption some had that Klopp never used defensive midfielders at his other clubs, when in fact he'd always pretty much used them!

My big failing was thinking the club was utterly bonkers spending 75 mill on Virgil Van Djik. I have of course realised the error of my ways, we should in fact have been paying about 150 mill for him 

How could anyone miss out on Van Dijk train?  Utterly bonkers.

He was a colossus at Southampton, we were held 0-0 at St. Mary's once & it was completely down to him. A few games & videos would've had you sold.

As for DM, Klopp liked one at Dortmund (while the other midfielder in the double pivot was more of a distributor), so it always looked like he didn't have the money here to immediately look at this position especially when other positions were in dire straits. So, he did with a makeshift DM until he got one. It was always going to happen, I don't see the surprise/argument there.

[PoetryInMotion]

Three words:

Positioning, positioning, and footwork.

His handling is fantastic too. He holds on to shots at him consistently & puts enough punch in his clearances.

And so far, we've not even mentioned his passing.