Topic: Hillsborough - Inquest Verdicts - Tuesday 26th April

[CHOPPER]

The more I see of St Georges, the more I think what a massive 'fuck you lot' it is from the city, to the rest of the country who never believed, peddled the lie and gave it air.

Well in the council.

[oldfordie]

Very moving to read the inquest transcripts for today,
https://hillsboroughinquests.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/hill260416amjurypresentonly.pdf

Anyone know if the online Hillsborough inquests transcripts will be updated sometime in the future to include all the legal arguments that couldn't be reported at the time.

[Rush 82]

All the liars exposed for what they are.

All of them.

Now that the relief that the correct verdict was reached has started to wear off, all I can think of is how all those lying bastards can be made to suffer the full consequences of their actions.

[mattD]

The campaigners are an inspiration to all - evidence that the good will prevail and that the truth will out. The communitarian spirit of this truly great and unique city lives on - fuck the haters and all those who fell for the corruption and lies of the establishment. A national disgrace that makes me ashamed to be British.

God bless the victims and their families and to all the people of Liverpool - a testament to the human spirit in a country that is severely lacking it.

[redalways]

Great result.

This may not be the best place or time to say this,  but Mods we havent been able to comment on the evidence during the inquest itself. Please remove if you think what I am saying is inappropriate. I still feel fucking angry.

I still feel angry that the police still tried to peddle the lies prolonging the inquest and adding to the distress of the families. David Duckenfield hired a guy called John Beggs. On his Chambers website they boast " if your a police force in a tight spot John Beggs QC is your man".

Clearly it didnt work this time for John. But what kind of a man is it who can continue to encourage the lies and smears as he did in his questioning ( search Beggs questioning of Kenny Dalglish on Google) and in doing so prolonging the inquest and therefore the misery of the families?

[AndyInVA]

Vindication is the word that sums it up for me.

Finally knowing that the truth of what happened that day is laid bare.

Shame on all of those individuals in positions of influence or authority who decided that lying and blaming innocent others was a justifiable thing to do. I will never know how the families have tolerated the last 27 years when they knew the truth and everyone in power said they were the ones that had it wrong.

[Branno]

Can the espn doco be shown now ?

[sms1986]

What a momentous and emotional day it's been, and I say that as someone who isn't from the city, who isn't a survivor or one of the families of survivors/victims so I cannot even begin to understand how this day has affected them. Emotions must be going haywire, eyes must be wet or red after considerable tears. Hearts and minds must be tired but feeling a mix of happiness and sadness, closure and vindication.

I said this earlier, but nobody fights 27 years for a lie. That's because to fight for something for so long, to fight for the truth that campaigners knew existed but was being covered up, you have to passionately believe in what you're fighting for. Nelson Mandela was in prison for 27 of his 95 years and he never gave up hope of one day being free, of living in a South Africa where the evils of apartheid had been wiped away from his beloved nation. If he had thought for one moment that his fight was wrong, that his desires went against the truth rather than being the truth, then he would never have lasted those 27 years.

[wellred82]

I hope people don't mind me posting this but there are 2 journalists debunking Kelvin McKenzie's latest excuse on Twitter.




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[Trada]

The full letter.

[FlashingBlade]

Especially when the propaganda lies come rubber stamped from Downing st!

[Always_A_Red]

All I can do right now is give is my profound thanks to the families of the 96. You are an inspiration to us all. Also, I'd like to give thanks to the legal teams for the families, to all the dedicated support workers, to journalists like David Conn and Brian Reade, to Andy Burnham and Steve Rotheram, to the HFSG and the HJC, to all the mods at RAWK and fellow RAWKites, you know who you are, many of whom worked tirelessly and gave up so much of their lives with their expertise, money and time, and importantly to the jury who have given up so much of their time to see justice prevail.

To all the remaining families and survivors, may you live the rest of your live safe in the knowledge that no matter what anybody thinks, in the eyes of all those who truly love and care and in the eyes of the law, you and your loved ones have been vindicated and justice has prevailed. To the 96, and for those who have lost their lives since this disaster through illness, suicide, stress and anxiety and never lived to see justice done, may you now truly rest in peace. You never have and never will walk alone.

Everybody on RAWK, I'll see you all soon. Please take every crumb of comfort you can from today, and try to keep the momentum going until justice is fully served on every last person and public body.

Ian, Dave, Keith and Paul, may you rest soundly in peace for the first time today and every day hereafter.

Justice for the 96.

Sean  x

Oh mate 

[cptrios]

I'm an American with zero connection to Liverpool bar my support for the club and a one-day visit to the city when I was a teenager, but  watching some of these videos is seriously bringing tears to my eyes. I'm so happy for all of you who've lived this for so long, and for the families, and for those who have worked so hard to get here. I can't imagine how so many of you must feel right now.

[ABZ Rover]

Just don't know what to say.  Pure joy that we finally got the result we wanted but distraught that it took 27 fuckin years!

God bless the 96, you will NEVER walk alone!

[gregorio]

The office probably don't understand what's going on as I sit here like this, sat here holding back then YNWA from families tips me over the edge.

Well done all involved, momentous day.

YNWA.

I was the same mate in an office in Croydon

God bless all the families, survivors and everyone who campaigned

[goalspaytherent]

The scale of this achievement will only truly be appreciated in the years to come. These people, this grieving group of people, somehow managed to summon the strength to keep on fighting despite all the odds, despite all the setbacks and kicks in the teeth. They withstood everything a right wing media machine could throw at them . They took all that and fought back.....and they won.

JFT96 ......it came 

[Red Beret]

Kelvin McKenzie and The Scum have repeatedly claimed "We didn't lie - we were lied to".

Bullshit.

These were ALLEGATIONS.  Allegations that other news outlets reported as allegations and still others refused to report at all as they lacked vital corroborating evidence.  The Scum and McKenzie hoped for a scoop where they could scream, "YOU SEE!?  WE CALLED IT!  WE HAD THE BALLS TO SAY WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS TOO SCARED TO SAY!"

They printed allegations as fact and in doing so helped to monstrously distort public perception of this tragedy.  Part of twenty seven fucking years of waiting can be squarely laid at The Scum and McKenzie's door.

As for Ingham, fuck him.  He considers himself a canny political operator and, from his perspective, sees the "bigger political picture".  He sees the fight for justice as part of a broader campaign to attack and undermine his beloved Maggie.  He'll protect her "legacy" until the grave.

But today is not about this horrible individuals.  It is about the dignity of the families, our sorrow for the victims, and our continued efforts to secure accountability for the crimes committed against ordinary innocent people.  In this sense, the entire people of Liverpool are Hillsborough survivors. 

We're not done yet.  We will not be cowed, we will not be intimidated.  And these wonderful, determined people who I am deeply humbled to have some remote contact with, absolutely will not stop.

[Samie]

Kenny Dalglish is 'overjoyed' by the Hillsborough inquest verdict. http://bbc.in/1NQ7OLo

After inquests concluded today that the 96 fans who died in the Hillsborough disaster were unlawfully killed, former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish says he's "overjoyed" for the families of the victims.

After a 27-year campaign, the behaviour of Liverpool supporters was found to have had no bearing on the tragedy.

Dalglish, who won 15 major trophies with the Anfield club as a player, said the families were "totally vindicated".

"You can't even begin to guess what those families have been through," he added.

[cowtownred]

All I can do right now is give is my profound thanks to the families of the 96. You are an inspiration to us all. Also, I'd like to give thanks to the legal teams for the families, to all the dedicated support workers, to journalists like David Conn and Brian Reade, to Andy Burnham and Steve Rotheram, to the HFSG and the HJC, to all the mods at RAWK and fellow RAWKites, you know who you are, many of whom worked tirelessly and gave up so much of their lives with their expertise, money and time, and importantly to the jury who have given up so much of their time to see justice prevail.

To all the remaining families and survivors, may you live the rest of your live safe in the knowledge that no matter what anybody thinks, in the eyes of all those who truly love and care and in the eyes of the law, you and your loved ones have been vindicated and justice has prevailed. To the 96, and for those who have lost their lives since this disaster through illness, suicide, stress and anxiety and never lived to see justice done, may you now truly rest in peace. You never have and never will walk alone.

Everybody on RAWK, I'll see you all soon. Please take every crumb of comfort you can from today, and try to keep the momentum going until justice is fully served on every last person and public body.

Ian, Dave, Keith and Paul, may you rest soundly in peace for the first time today and every day hereafter.

Justice for the 96.

Sean  x

This from me too.
Macca, thinking of you mate.

[TepidT2O]

Wonderful writing from Macca....

So many moving posts today, I could never find those words.

[Rob Dylan]

All I can do right now is give is my profound thanks to the families of the 96. You are an inspiration to us all. Also, I'd like to give thanks to the legal teams for the families, to all the dedicated support workers, to journalists like David Conn and Brian Reade, to Andy Burnham and Steve Rotheram, to the HFSG and the HJC, to all the mods at RAWK and fellow RAWKites, you know who you are, many of whom worked tirelessly and gave up so much of their lives with their expertise, money and time, and importantly to the jury who have given up so much of their time to see justice prevail.

To all the remaining families and survivors, may you live the rest of your live safe in the knowledge that no matter what anybody thinks, in the eyes of all those who truly love and care and in the eyes of the law, you and your loved ones have been vindicated and justice has prevailed. To the 96, and for those who have lost their lives since this disaster through illness, suicide, stress and anxiety and never lived to see justice done, may you now truly rest in peace. You never have and never will walk alone.

Everybody on RAWK, I'll see you all soon. Please take every crumb of comfort you can from today, and try to keep the momentum going until justice is fully served on every last person and public body.

Ian, Dave, Keith and Paul, may you rest soundly in peace for the first time today and every day hereafter.

Justice for the 96.

Sean  x

First chance I've had to comment today but I can't say anything better than this.

Massive respect as always to the families, but also to all those from 'outside' who have helped - journalists, researchers, lawyers, and of course the jury.

And if you still meet or hear anyone who insists that the fans must have been to blame, just remind yourself that they are swimming against the tide of history. They are now in the minority in this country, just as those who stood up for the truth were in the minority in the aftermath of the disaster. Anyone who thinks they know better than three in-depth investigations which have considered thousands of pieces of evidence, is clearly delusional. As someone said earlier today, there are probably still people who believe that the earth is flat, in spite of all the evidence. Some people just want to remain ignorant I guess - just leave them to it, no-one is listening to them anymore.

[Jimmy Conway]

I like RAWKS logo this evening.

[Crosby Nick]

And if you still meet or hear anyone who insists that the fans must have been to blame, just remind yourself that they are swimming against the tide of history. They are now in the minority in this country, just as those who stood up for the truth were in the minority in the aftermath of the disaster. Anyone who thinks they know better than three in-depth investigations which have considered thousands of pieces of evidence, is clearly delusional. As someone said earlier today, there are probably still people who believe that the earth is flat, in spite of all the evidence. Some people just want to remain ignorant I guess - just leave them to it, no-one is listening to them anymore.

Absolutely. When I used to hear people peddling those lines it hurt because the truth was there to be seen and they weren't interested. We were the minority. Now, as you say anyone still peddling that crap should be ignored or ridiculed. The truth is out there for all to see now.

[Claire.]

Do not let the bastards grind you down, scousers.

[Rob Dylan]

Can the espn doco be shown now ?

I was wondering this...or would they have to wait until after any criminal prosecution?

[Zeb]

I was wondering this...or would they have to wait until after any criminal prosecution?

It'll go quiet again when/if charges are made against anyone. But til then things can be talked about and shown and whatever.

[moondog]

Listening to Kenny Dalglish on radio 5 has reinforced how awesome a human being he is. The man has such dignity and humility it made me proud to have had him on our side. Today has been very tearful and many memories of the day have returned after being buried for 27 years but knowing what great supporters we are/ have has been an incredible solace to me. I know my kids will ask me what happened when I collect them from school shortly and finally I can tell them we have gotten the truth and maybe their dad can finally start to deal with what he witnessed at Hillsborough. We have amazing power and I am so proud to be a scouser today, that includes the blues who have been with us throughout, their words have been a great help. I am so far away and wish I was home right now to share this with other Reds.

[electricghost]

Newsnight now BBC 2 on Hillsborough

[gregorio]

Absolutely. When I used to hear people peddling those lines it hurt because the truth was there to be seen and they weren't interested. We were the minority. Now, as you say anyone still peddling that crap should be ignored or ridiculed. The truth is out there for all to see now.

I know a fair few people down here in the south who were always very sympathetic to the campaign and got the fact that the police were culpable but who retained that idea , that doubt about alcohol playing a part and fans behaviour somehow playing a part

For me that's a huge part of the verdicts that needs to be shouted from the rooftops

[TheTeflonJohn]

The full letter.

The smug arrogance dripping from those words are disgusting.

[exiledintheUSA]

All I can add to this thread, is the words of Peter Jones, for me and many others - "...and the sun shines now".

[bluebird]

Truth and justice win today
RIP to the 96
Respect to your city for raging against the dying of the light

[theboyspen]

I'm so happy with the verdicts today. I was sure the jury were gonna bottle it and cause further anguish to the families (after the Let down years ago!) But fair play to them. They looked at the evidence and knew what we've known all along.
As for the lying bastards who tried to cover their mistakes.... Well, a fucking giant cat has just been let out of a fucking giant bag! They're running scared now and will get their comeuppance!
I hope the FA don't escape full accountability either! They knew from the previous season the potential for problems at that ground, but as usual ignored the concerns of the fans and LFC delegates who argued the case for ticket allocation. Was it the police or the FA who decided to give Forest the Kop end? I was in the Leppings lane end in 88 and it was scary then. I was lucky (understatement!) in 89 to be in the stand but feel awful that I didn't do anything to help.

[Igor Tripod Biscan]

Can the espn doco be shown now ?

If you mean the 30 for 30, its on Dailymotion but if you are asking about it being made available in the US or UK - dunno

[Samie]

So tomorrows front page headlines all cover the Hillsborough verdict bar that shitty paper and The Times. So both Murdoch papers.

Heck The New York Times has it on their front page for fuck sakes.

[Crosby Nick]

So tomorrows front page headlines all cover the Hillsborough verdict bar that shitty paper and The Times. So both Murdoch papers.

Heck The New York Times has it on their front page for fuck sakes.

Shameful from The Times.

[Jagged Princess]

Like a lot of people today, finding the right words to convey the most strangest of days emotionally escape me.  From dread to hope that the verdicts would finally deliver the truth as we the fans and the City of Liverpool knew all along.

The tears flowed as one by one the jury delivered the verdicts on each question, then came the answer I think we all dreaded in a strange way - Unlawful Killing"

They, the police and the establishment lied and started a cover up that lasted for 27 years, their failure was not only their actions on that fateful day but they took on the wrong people, who knew the truth from the start. 

That faith in knowing your loved ones were innocent victims saw them through to today's verdict.  The truth will always come out in the end, such a travesty it took so long.

The strength and dignity of the families is incredible and I hope they can at last find some comfort and peace.

To the survivors, I can only quote my brother, who through tears said "the whole world now knows I'm not a murderer".

God bless each and everyone of the heroes who fought for justice and those that tried to help when others failed.

To the 96 angels, may you rest in eternal peace

You never walked alone!

[Samie]

The Times front page story  tomorrow. 

[reddav72]

R I P 96. JUSTICE
YNWA

[1892-WELLZ]

Cannot even start to imagine the range of emotion felt by everyone affected by the events of the last 27 years... So brave... #JFT96

Broken here watching Anne Williams now...

Each and every person who's campaigned for so long... Nothing but love to each and every one of you... x