Topic: Those chants

[WhereAngelsPlay]

When will Spurs fans start getting arrested for Yid Army ?

[tubby]

When will Spurs fans start getting arrested for Yid Army ?

That's a very fair point, they chanted it non-stop vs Fulham and I'm pretty sure the FA said they'd be punishing fans for doing so (even if they were Spurs fans) about 10 years ago.

[CowboyKangaroo]

Surely the problem is the law, and that needs changing.  You can't ask the police to remove away fans for doing something that doesn't break the law.  It needs to be highlighted as an issue first, it needs to be on a par with the rent boys chant, and then the police can act.

This is correct. However, Anfield is private property. Liverpool Football Club can make access conditional to various terms and conditions (these apply whenever a person buys a football ticket, irrespective of whether they do that through their own club or not). There are many acts which are generally considered lawful to do which you cannot do on private property, for reasons of the commercial arrangement between the customer and the business, which would terminate your right of access to that private property. For example talking loudly and persistently in a cinema. Simply make singing these songs a breach of contract which voids their ticket and throw them out for trespassing and restrict their right to purchase tickets in future. Make this term sufficiently clear at the point of purchase to avoid any issues relating to unfair terms.

The only limitation to this is the rules that the FA have on making tickets available to away teams, so it would have to be cleared with them. (However, please not these restrictions are not legal restrictions - merely FA's own internal governance). However, I'm not convinced that the FA would be willing to take the bad press of refusing this request if it were made publicly. At the very least Liverpool should try this route.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Notwithstanding possession of any ticket the Club, any police officer or authorised steward may refuse entry to (or eject from) the Ground any person:

     1.1 that fails (or in the Club's reasonable opinion is likely to fail) to comply with these Ground Regulations and/or the Discrimination Commitment and/or the Supporter Code of Conduct and/or any reasonable instruction issued by a police officer or authorised steward or officer of the Club; and/or

     1.2 whose presence within the Ground is, or could (in the Club's reasonable opinion), constitute a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person.

Our Ground Regulations.

Perhaps we could start here with the club. Enforce your own regulations.

[redgriffin73]

     1.2 whose presence within the Ground is, or could (in the Club's reasonable opinion), constitute a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person.

Christ, that's suitably vague, I'd be kicking out most of the annoying knobheads around me most weeks with that description

[Redsnappa]

In case you've not seen this quote by Martin Hewitt, the chair of the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) in David Conn's Guardian article today which I've posted in the * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates * Forum thread:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/31/police-chiefs-apologise-for-hillsborough-failures?CMP=share_btn_tw


Hewitt also condemned the toxic chants about the disaster directed at Liverpool supporters by some rival fans at recent matches, which have caused deep offence to families and survivors.

“It’s disgusting and action needs to be taken [by match police and stewards] to stop people doing that,” he said.

[24/7]

This could be something of a momentum moment that's been previously missing. LFC should issue a statement, in my view (unless they already have and I just haven't seen it yet.......)

[jillcwhomever]

This could be something of a momentum moment that's been previously missing. LFC should issue a statement, in my view (unless they already have and I just haven't seen it yet.......)

Yet the FA has been quoted as saying there is nothing they can do about it as it's not protected in law. Another lie, hey.

[24/7]

Yet the FA has been quoted as saying there is nothing they can do about it as it's not protected in law. Another lie, hey.

Don't fuckin start me on the FA........

Anyway, Jennie and Phil were spot on today on R4. We need 'Duty of Candour' and Independent Public Advocate.

As she says, "...desperately needed and long overdue..."

Also, she asks for, "a level playing field of funding" <--- MASSIVE obstacle, as the families of the 97 well know.

#hillsboroughlawnow - a charter for the bereaved. The first suggestion of this was made in 1997. 26 years later, we still don't have it. Wow.

[24/7]

[re deleted post by JGLFC]

No. This isn't the thread to propose random chants - it's to discuss the increasing phenomenon of toxic ones that cause distress to various groups - including our own supporters who are survivors, victims' family members and friends, campaigners and anyone else pissed off at the apparent inconsistency of increasingly vile behaviour. So, no.

[bradders1011]

Went to Chorley v Southport on Saturday for a bit of non-league groundhopping. I usually 'support' the home team when I do that, get a bit of local flavour. I'd been to Southport v Curzon Ashton a few weeks ago and had a great time at their ground.

I didn't realise it was such a rivalry - drinks confined to the bar, moderate police presence, segregated ground, all of which is unusual at non-league.

The home fans were giving it "you Scouse bastards" for much of the game, but during the second half (presumably after 2 sunk HT pints) "Always the victims" starts up from the main singing section of the home end, made up by-and-large of kids and people in their 20s.

I was delighted when Southport came back from 1-0 down to win 2-1.

[reddebs]

Went to Chorley v Southport on Saturday for a bit of non-league groundhopping. I usually 'support' the home team when I do that, get a bit of local flavour. I'd been to Southport v Curzon Ashton a few weeks ago and had a great time at their ground.

I didn't realise it was such a rivalry - drinks confined to the bar, moderate police presence, segregated ground, all of which is unusual at non-league.

The home fans were giving it "you Scouse bastards" for much of the game, but during the second half (presumably after 2 sunk HT pints) "Always the victims" starts up from the main singing section of the home end, made up by-and-large of kids and people in their 20s.

I was delighted when Southport came back from 1-0 down to win 2-1.

Having spent 30ish years in Chorley they're proper bad wannabe mancs mate.

It does not surprise me in the slightest.

[Barneylfc∗]

Munich chants
HT: Leeds 0-0 Man Utd


Simon Stone

BBC Sport at Elland Road

Sadly, there was a very loud rendition of the 'Munich song' from the Leeds fans behind David de Gea's goal.

The song taunts Manchester United over the Munich Air Crash in 1958, when eight players were amongst 23 killed.

The 65th anniversary was last Monday.

Never ever have I seen Hillsborough chants being called out like this 

[FlashingBlade]

Went to Chorley v Southport on Saturday for a bit of non-league groundhopping. I usually 'support' the home team when I do that, get a bit of local flavour. I'd been to Southport v Curzon Ashton a few weeks ago and had a great time at their ground.

I didn't realise it was such a rivalry - drinks confined to the bar, moderate police presence, segregated ground, all of which is unusual at non-league.

The home fans were giving it "you Scouse bastards" for much of the game, but during the second half (presumably after 2 sunk HT pints) "Always the victims" starts up from the main singing section of the home end, made up by-and-large of kids and people in their 20s.

I was delighted when Southport came back from 1-0 down to win 2-1.

Thats shocking by Chorley fans....Southport!..Scousers!!?..dear me.What has happened English Geography education!

other than that..what a shower of pathetic c*nts they where.

[24/7]

Never ever have I seen Hillsborough chants being called out like this 

I truly hope the day never comes when we have to play a match on April 15th. Cos when that happens, you can guarantee some knobheads chanting shite to us - seems to me to be the only possibility of the msm waking up to this issue but even then I wouldn't put it past them to gaslight the fuck out of us in the process.

[jillcwhomever]

Some journalists are calling out the chanting Henry Winter for one had a go at United fans singing about Hillsborough and he also had a go at Leeds and United fans today singing about Munich and Istanbul as well.

[Kashinoda]

Never ever have I seen Hillsborough chants being called out like this 

The 'magic' of the 'Never a Victim' chant is those that sing it can pathetically claim it's nothing to do with Hillsborough despite everyone knowing full well the intent.

Those in the media need the balls to call that out.

[Fromola]

The 'magic' of the 'Never a Victim' chant is those that sing it can pathetically claim it's nothing to do with Hillsborough despite everyone knowing full well the intent.

Those in the media need the balls to call that out.

Yeah they can hide being innuendos with the victims chant and it won't get called out. Even the club don't call it out but did publicly call out City for the S*n was right chant (cue made up stories about throwing coins).

Always the victims chant should actually be sung at City.

[HullReD]

Never ever have I seen Hillsborough chants being called out like this 

Yeah....always turn a blind eye to those chants.....or should i say ears....f*c*ers

[Fromola]

Went to Chorley v Southport on Saturday for a bit of non-league groundhopping. I usually 'support' the home team when I do that, get a bit of local flavour. I'd been to Southport v Curzon Ashton a few weeks ago and had a great time at their ground.

I didn't realise it was such a rivalry - drinks confined to the bar, moderate police presence, segregated ground, all of which is unusual at non-league.

The home fans were giving it "you Scouse bastards" for much of the game, but during the second half (presumably after 2 sunk HT pints) "Always the victims" starts up from the main singing section of the home end, made up by-and-large of kids and people in their 20s.

I was delighted when Southport came back from 1-0 down to win 2-1.

Chorley have an element of knobheads (who'd usually follow the likes of Bolton or Preston)  who come out when there's a sizeable away following. Chester have had problems there in recent years.

These people are obsessed with Scousers. Southport is closer to Chorley than Liverpool, or at least the same distance. It's something Marine would have to put up with more if they went up.

[Circa1892]

Never ever have I seen Hillsborough chants being called out like this 

Certainly not by that journalist.

Guardian leading with stories about “tragedy chanting” without a single mention of what we have to put up with. Rotten corrupt Manc c*nts.

[Red Bird]

Certainly not by that journalist.

Guardian leading with stories about “tragedy chanting” without a single mention of what we have to put up with. Rotten corrupt Manc c*nts.

He's such an obvious manc, is Simon Stone.

[Solomon Grundy]

Went to Chorley v Southport on Saturday for a bit of non-league groundhopping. I usually 'support' the home team when I do that, get a bit of local flavour. I'd been to Southport v Curzon Ashton a few weeks ago and had a great time at their ground.

I didn't realise it was such a rivalry - drinks confined to the bar, moderate police presence, segregated ground, all of which is unusual at non-league.

The home fans were giving it "you Scouse bastards" for much of the game, but during the second half (presumably after 2 sunk HT pints) "Always the victims" starts up from the main singing section of the home end, made up by-and-large of kids and people in their 20s.

I was delighted when Southport came back from 1-0 down to win 2-1.

I'm from Chorley mate. That's because most of them who go watching Chorley games are Utd fans. I know quite a few of the older ones. You'll often see Utd banners at Chorley games too. That's why a lot of locals, including myself don't go watching them anymore. Because we can't be doing with them. The absolute dregs of Chorley they are.

[Solomon Grundy]

Chorley have an element of knobheads (who'd usually follow the likes of Bolton or Preston)  who come out when there's a sizeable away following. Chester have had problems there in recent years.

You do get the odd Wigan and Bolton fan turning up but, they are mostly Utd fans mate. One of the ring leaders is a lad called Terry McDermott. He used to be a Liverpool fan when he was a kid and then switched sides at the start of the Premier League era when Utd started winning titles again.

[Speedy Molby]

I’ve long had the thought that if our fans responded to United with Munich chants,  something would be done about it. Guardian piece backs that up.

[reddebs]

I'm from Chorley mate. That's because most of them who go watching Chorley games are Utd fans. I know quite a few of the older ones. You'll often see Utd banners at Chorley games too. That's why a lot of locals, including myself don't go watching them anymore. Because we can't be doing with them. The absolute dregs of Chorley they are.

My response mate 👍

Having spent 30ish years in Chorley they're proper bad wannabe mancs mate.

It does not surprise me in the slightest.

[Pistolero]

From The Guardian...



Leeds and Manchester United condemn ‘unacceptable’ tragedy chants

Premier League says it is treating issue as ‘matter of urgency’
   
The Premier League said it was treating “tragedy chanting” as a “matter of urgency” after extremely unsavoury behaviour inside Elland Road by Leeds and Manchester United fans prompted a joint statement of condemnation from the clubs.

Although Erik ten Hag praised the atmosphere during Manchester United’s 2-0 win, he had apparently not heard the chants just before half-time. Leeds supporters sang about the Munich air disaster in 1958 in which eight Manchester United players were among the 23 who died. Travelling fans responded with a similarly moronic song regarding the events of 2000 in Istanbul when two Leeds supporters died.

The clubs’ joint statement described the chanting as “completely unacceptable” and said they would work with their respective fan groups and the Premier League to eradicate it.

The Premier League has a working group on tragedy chanting which also involves clubs, the Football Association, English Football League and Football Supporters’ Association. “The league is treating the issue of tragedy chanting as a priority and as a matter of urgency,” it said.





Couldn't make this up...... we've long since been the target of vile abuse from virtually every other club in the league - to the extent that It's now almost become normalized fan behaviour - and not a fuckin dicky bird from the FA or the Guardian, any 'working group'..or indeed, our own club.... would love to see LFC take the opportunity to enter this debate now that its in the public eye....

[Solomon Grundy]

My response mate 👍

Saw that before Debs. You know what they're like.

[rob1966]

You do get the odd Wigan and Bolton fan turning up but, they are mostly Utd fans mate. One of the ring leaders is a lad called Terry McDermott. He used to be a Liverpool fan when he was a kid and then switched sides at the start of the Premier League era when Utd started winning titles again.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

I know. Ironic. His dad is called Terry McDermott too. He's always been a Utd fan though.

This is young Terry McDermott.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/vWjFtct4O5s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/vWjFtct4O5s</a>

[reddebs]

Saw that before Debs. You know what they're like.

I do mate.

[Legs]

I know. Ironic. His dad is called Terry McDermott too. He's always been a Utd fan though.

This is young Terry McDermott.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/vWjFtct4O5s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/vWjFtct4O5s</a>

He seems a bright lad doesn’t he ?!

[Solomon Grundy]

He seems a bright lad doesn’t he ?!

Haha! He's a bad divvy is Terry. Seems to think he's a bit of a hard man because he used to knock about with Michael Jennings when he was a kid. Jennings is a former British & WBU Welterweight champion for those who don't know who he is.

[rob1966]

I know. Ironic. His dad is called Terry McDermott too. He's always been a Utd fan though.

This is young Terry McDermott.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/vWjFtct4O5s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/vWjFtct4O5s</a>

Fucking state of him

[Legs]

Haha! He's a bad divvy is Terry. Seems to think he's a bit of a hard man because he used to knock about with Michael Jennings when he was a kid. Jennings is a former British & WBU Welterweight champion for those who don't know who he is.

I know who Jennings is he got his arse handed to him by Miguel Cotto !

[Solomon Grundy]

Fucking state of him

He'll be one of them who would have been chanting that anti-scouse stuff at Southport.

[Solomon Grundy]

I know who Jennings is he got his arse handed to him by Miguel Cotto !

He's alright is Mick to be fair to him. As is his brother Dave. Both sound lads.

[Crosby Nick]

His hair.

[Barneylfc∗]

From The Guardian...



Leeds and Manchester United condemn ‘unacceptable’ tragedy chants

Premier League says it is treating issue as ‘matter of urgency’
   
The Premier League said it was treating “tragedy chanting” as a “matter of urgency” after extremely unsavoury behaviour inside Elland Road by Leeds and Manchester United fans prompted a joint statement of condemnation from the clubs.

Although Erik ten Hag praised the atmosphere during Manchester United’s 2-0 win, he had apparently not heard the chants just before half-time. Leeds supporters sang about the Munich air disaster in 1958 in which eight Manchester United players were among the 23 who died. Travelling fans responded with a similarly moronic song regarding the events of 2000 in Istanbul when two Leeds supporters died.

The clubs’ joint statement described the chanting as “completely unacceptable” and said they would work with their respective fan groups and the Premier League to eradicate it.

The Premier League has a working group on tragedy chanting which also involves clubs, the Football Association, English Football League and Football Supporters’ Association. “The league is treating the issue of tragedy chanting as a priority and as a matter of urgency,” it said.





Couldn't make this up...... we've long since been the target of vile abuse from virtually every other club in the league - to the extent that It's now almost become normalized fan behaviour - and not a fuckin dicky bird from the FA or the Guardian, any 'working group'..or indeed, our own club.... would love to see LFC take the opportunity to enter this debate now that its in the public eye....

It's absolutely correct that gets called out and gets media attention. But why the fuck have we had to put up with it almost every week and not a fucking thing said 

[redgriffin73]

They mentioned the chanting by both sets of fans during the Five Live commentary in the first half too.