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Re: Chelsea FC - Sponsored by “The Liquidator"
« Reply #27040 on: July 25, 2022, 03:09:48 pm »
Yeah he obviously did great at Derby as well winning the league. My point was sustained success in a job.

Chelsea have had a raft of more short term success managers, where it unravels after 2 or 3 years. Mourinho and Conte for example. Tuchel seems cut from a similar cloth.

Fair comment.
Maybe to do with him having all his success with Peter Taylor at his side, as I said.

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« Reply #27041 on: July 25, 2022, 03:23:05 pm »
Fair comment.
Maybe to do with him having all his success with Peter Taylor at his side, as I said.

Quite possibly. He missed him at Brighton and Leeds IIRC.

But Taylor's last season at Forest with Clough they finished 12th and just 2 years after the 2nd European Cup. They didn't fall away so much just because Taylor left.
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Re: Chelsea FC - Sponsored by “The Liquidator"
« Reply #27042 on: July 25, 2022, 03:36:18 pm »
Chelsea on the verge of walking away from signing Jules Kounde, as Barcelona have moved back in for him.
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« Reply #27043 on: July 25, 2022, 03:48:22 pm »
Quite possibly. He missed him at Brighton and Leeds IIRC.

But Taylor's last season at Forest with Clough they finished 12th and just 2 years after the 2nd European Cup. They didn't fall away so much just because Taylor left.
Not suggesting they did, just pointing out the obvious, that all Clough's successes were with Taylor.

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« Reply #27044 on: July 25, 2022, 03:57:48 pm »

Think you could argue that past names like Clough, Ferguson etc., were like that to varying degrees.

Ferguson sugar coated replacing Ronaldo with Obertan.  He was nothing like that.

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« Reply #27045 on: July 25, 2022, 04:05:03 pm »
Not suggesting they did, just pointing out the obvious, that all Clough's successes were with Taylor.
They did win 2 League Cups in the late 80s, got to another final and a final of the FA Cup in the early '90s long after Taylor left.
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« Reply #27046 on: July 25, 2022, 05:24:45 pm »
Boehly is new to this transfer lark, isn't he? Putting in bids without confirming whether players are interested.

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« Reply #27047 on: July 25, 2022, 06:08:18 pm »
They did win 2 League Cups in the late 80s, got to another final and a final of the FA Cup in the early '90s long after Taylor left.

Yeah, Clough tbf did build a second good side in the end after 7 or 8 years treading water in the 80s, but even that was fairly short lived and ended with a relegation.
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« Reply #27048 on: July 25, 2022, 06:33:29 pm »
Does that management style ever work though? Tuchel, Conte and Mourinho all love antagonizing players and owners and it invariably falls apart. Has any Manager had long term success doing that?

Diego Simeone of Atletico Madrid maybe?
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« Reply #27049 on: July 25, 2022, 08:42:51 pm »
Diego Simeone of Atletico Madrid maybe?

It’s opposing fans and maybe some coaches and officials he antagonises.

He coaches awful football and coaches his players to timewaste and cheat, but plenty of them still are loyal to him and like playing for him.

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« Reply #27050 on: July 27, 2022, 09:09:13 pm »
This is pretty funny


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« Reply #27051 on: July 27, 2022, 09:15:14 pm »
It’s opposing fans and maybe some coaches and officials he antagonises.

He coaches awful football and coaches his players to timewaste and cheat, but plenty of them still are loyal to him and like playing for him.

For me Simeone is modern version of Mourinho, takes all the tactics from Mourinho, to new levels of shithousery
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« Reply #27052 on: July 28, 2022, 11:07:52 am »
For me Simeone is modern version of Mourinho, takes all the tactics from Mourinho, to new levels of shithousery

He seems more like the current version of Simeone, given that his teams have always played like this and he has been around a similar amount of time as Mourinho, just with vastly less changing of clubs.

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« Reply #27053 on: July 31, 2022, 04:47:50 pm »
Incredible some of the players still on their books:

Baba Rahman
Michy Batshuayi
Ross Barkley
Kenedy
Emerson

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« Reply #27054 on: July 31, 2022, 05:02:43 pm »
Incredible some of the players still on their books:

Baba Rahman
Michy Batshuayi
Ross Barkley
Kenedy
Emerson
Bakayoko is somehow still on their books, on loan to AC Milan until 2023 though.

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« Reply #27055 on: July 31, 2022, 05:06:29 pm »
Incredible some of the players still on their books:

Baba Rahman
Michy Batshuayi
Ross Barkley
Kenedy
Emerson
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« Reply #27056 on: August 1, 2022, 02:08:42 pm »
Apparently they are after Cucarella from Brighton
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Re: Chelsea FC - Sponsored by “The Liquidator"
« Reply #27057 on: August 1, 2022, 02:16:47 pm »
Incredible some of the players still on their books:

Baba Rahman
Michy Batshuayi
Ross Barkley
Kenedy
Emerson

Is Miazga still there? That was a Ben Davies-esque signing, except they just loaned him about five times and haven't sold him. I imagine they had him lined up for a £15 million transfer to Spartak Moscow.
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« Reply #27058 on: August 1, 2022, 02:19:49 pm »
Bakayoko is somehow still on their books, on loan to AC Milan until 2023 though.

Completely forgot about him; I thought he'd already left. Joke is had he not renewed his contract with Chelsea, he'd have been out of contract this summer. I do remember Julien Laurens saying that Fabinho was going to be the far better signing of the two and that has definitely proven to be the case.

Is Miazga still there?

Yep. He was on loan at Alaves last season.Signed for them in 2016, he's spent time on loan at Vitesse, Reading, Anderlecht, Alaves and Nantes during that time.
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« Reply #27059 on: August 1, 2022, 03:01:40 pm »
Completely forgot about him; I thought he'd already left. Joke is had he not renewed his contract with Chelsea, he'd have been out of contract this summer. I do remember Julien Laurens saying that Fabinho was going to be the far better signing of the two and that has definitely proven to be the case.

It's just nuts that players like him end up signing new contracts to stay there, despite the fact they're obviously going to be loaned out over and over again. Bakayoko wasn't too far away from being the Tchouameni of his time.
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Re: Chelsea FC - Sponsored by “The Liquidator"
« Reply #27060 on: August 1, 2022, 03:23:04 pm »
Chelsea close to £50m deal for Manchester City target Marc Cucurella

City reluctant to meet asking price for Spanish left-back
Chelsea centre-back Levi Colwill could join Brighton

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/01/chelsea-marc-cucurella-manchester-city

Chelsea working on deals to sign Wesley Fofana and Denzel Dumfries

Leicester are believed to value centre-back Fofana at a figure in the region of £80million to £85m ($97m to $103m), but Chelsea hope that could be lowered by offering players to their Premier League counterparts.

https://theathletic.com/3464562/2022/07/31/chelsea-transfer-news-fofana-dumfries/

I don't get the fuss around that Brighton LB. His stats were abysmal last season. If it wasn't for his haircut, nothing about him would stand out
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« Reply #27061 on: August 1, 2022, 03:30:21 pm »
Marc Cucurella who only wanted to join Guardiola and Man City, will quickly be wheeling out that he was actually a Chelsea fan growing up story soon  :P

I know Chilwell suffered a bad injury, they may have doubts about his long term future there? It’s all very Abu Dhabi to be splashing 50 mill on fullbacks.


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« Reply #27062 on: August 1, 2022, 03:36:53 pm »
Marc Cucurella who only wanted to join Guardiola and Man City, will quickly be wheeling out that he was actually a Chelsea fan growing up story soon  :P

I know Chilwell suffered a bad injury, they may have doubts about his long term future there? It’s all very Abu Dhabi to be splashing 50 mill on fullbacks.
£100m spent on leftbacks if this goes through :o

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« Reply #27063 on: August 1, 2022, 03:50:04 pm »
Chelsea close to £50m deal for Manchester City target Marc Cucurella

City reluctant to meet asking price for Spanish left-back
Chelsea centre-back Levi Colwill could join Brighton

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/01/chelsea-marc-cucurella-manchester-city

Chelsea working on deals to sign Wesley Fofana and Denzel Dumfries

Leicester are believed to value centre-back Fofana at a figure in the region of £80million to £85m ($97m to $103m), but Chelsea hope that could be lowered by offering players to their Premier League counterparts.

https://theathletic.com/3464562/2022/07/31/chelsea-transfer-news-fofana-dumfries/

I don't get the fuss around that Brighton LB. His stats were abysmal last season. If it wasn't for his haircut, nothing about him would stand out
Fofana would be a good signing for Chelsea but I don't see Leicester selling as they were hopeless defensively last season without him.  Money in the bank is all well and good but desperately trying to sign a new central defender a few days before the season starts isn't a good position to be in.  I guess it maybe depends on whether Leicester have ambitions of top four or if they're happy to tread water for a season whilst the rest of the contenders throw money around.

Like you I don't see the hype around Cucurella but I hope even more that one of our rivals blows their summer transfer budget on Dumfries!

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« Reply #27064 on: August 1, 2022, 04:16:14 pm »
I don't get the fuss around that Brighton LB. His stats were abysmal last season. If it wasn't for his haircut, nothing about him would stand out

I think he'd suit Guardiola well, but I can't imagine Chelsea have put much thought into how'd they use him.
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« Reply #27065 on: August 1, 2022, 04:32:32 pm »
I think he'd suit Guardiola well, but I can't imagine Chelsea have put much thought into how'd they use him.

in a back 3?

Cos otherwise it would seem strange unless they have an issue with Chilwell after his injury - not that I’ve even looked into that being a reason, just speculating!

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« Reply #27066 on: August 1, 2022, 04:36:04 pm »
Apparently this Bohley character also met the reps of Benjamin Sesko of Salzburg. He's just on football twitter isn't he the charlatan?  ;D

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« Reply #27067 on: August 1, 2022, 04:41:51 pm »
in a back 3?

Cos otherwise it would seem strange unless they have an issue with Chilwell after his injury - not that I’ve even looked into that being a reason, just speculating!

I know he played there a bit for Brighton, but having a 5"8 CB seems wrong.
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« Reply #27068 on: August 1, 2022, 04:44:37 pm »
in a back 3?

Cos otherwise it would seem strange unless they have an issue with Chilwell after his injury - not that I’ve even looked into that being a reason, just speculating!
Maybe it's Boehly just messing with Man City.  The story of how he made Man City pay an extra £10m for the Brighton left-back something for him to retell back home when he explains how idiotic soccer finance is.

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« Reply #27069 on: August 1, 2022, 05:00:07 pm »
Chelsea ain't struggling with the finance are they? This will put more pressure on Tuchel to deliver at least one trophy this season with all the cash they have spent.
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« Reply #27070 on: August 1, 2022, 05:08:13 pm »

I don't get the fuss around that Brighton LB. His stats were abysmal last season. If it wasn't for his haircut, nothing about him would stand out

Can play in a few different positions, good in possession, good going forward and was Brighton's POTY last season. The prices being thrown around are crazy but that's the world we live in these days.
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« Reply #27071 on: August 1, 2022, 06:02:14 pm »
Can play in a few different positions, good in possession, good going forward and was Brighton's POTY last season. The prices being thrown around are crazy but that's the world we live in these days.
I think he's a good player.

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« Reply #27072 on: August 1, 2022, 09:43:57 pm »
wonder if Tuchel as first manager to go might pick up some steam

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« Reply #27073 on: August 2, 2022, 09:21:09 am »
Just goes to show what an absolute steal Robbo was at £8m. £50m+ seems the going rate for fullbacks nowadays.
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« Reply #27074 on: August 2, 2022, 10:09:57 am »
Chelsea close to £50m deal for Manchester City target Marc Cucurella

City reluctant to meet asking price for Spanish left-back
Chelsea centre-back Levi Colwill could join Brighton

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/01/chelsea-marc-cucurella-manchester-city
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« Reply #27075 on: August 2, 2022, 10:23:49 am »
Just goes to show what an absolute steal Robbo was at £8m. £50m+ seems the going rate for fullbacks nowadays.
It was the going rate then as well which it makes Robbo even more of a steal.  The summer we signed Robbo for £8m was the same summer that Man City spent £100m on Walker and Mendy (plus £30m on Danilo).

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« Reply #27076 on: August 2, 2022, 10:28:21 am »
a lot of the "work" these are doing in the transfer window wreaks of a club who's lost it's whole leadership structure.

New owner seems intent on doing swaps and loans and there doesn't seem to be much of a strategy. The Cucurella deal is pure opportunism.

The early signs are good that the new owners are going to take a while to get up and running, and with the departures they've had this season already it could have a huge impact on them in the short term. I know they haven't kicked a ball yet but wouldn't shock me if Tuchel is gone before the world cup.

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« Reply #27077 on: August 3, 2022, 04:17:31 pm »
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🚨 Chelsea have offered Brighton £50m+ for Marc Cucurella. Not yet done as #BHAFC seek higher fee & replacement: Colwill top target. Cucurella personal terms agreed. #CFC also in talks with Barcelona for Frenkie de Jong + hope to strike deal @TheAthleticUK


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« Reply #27078 on: August 3, 2022, 04:20:29 pm »
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🚨 Chelsea have offered Brighton £50m+ for Marc Cucurella. Not yet done as #BHAFC seek higher fee & replacement: Colwill top target. Cucurella personal terms agreed. #CFC also in talks with Barcelona for Frenkie de Jong + hope to strike deal @TheAthleticUK
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« Reply #27079 on: August 3, 2022, 04:37:33 pm »
Boehy negotiating for players seems like Alan Partridge putting in an offer for a house.

“How much do you want for your LB?”

“£50 million”

“Would you take £49,999,995?”



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