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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2560 on: July 3, 2022, 03:35:27 pm »
If you replayed Zhou’s car doing that 1000 times, I suspect his car ends up there once.

Are there lessons for safety there?

Maybe gravel doesn’t help??
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2561 on: July 3, 2022, 03:36:09 pm »
OMG, how in hell's name was that allowed to happen?  :o

There’s been talk of a track invasion for a couple of days now.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2562 on: July 3, 2022, 03:36:22 pm »
that seems weird but presumably there's something governing it. or they've just pulled something out of their arse again.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2563 on: July 3, 2022, 03:37:55 pm »
There’s been talk of a track invasion for a couple of days now.

Jeez this country, with its pitch invasions and now track invasions.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2564 on: July 3, 2022, 03:38:07 pm »
If you replayed Zhou’s car doing that 1000 times, I suspect his car ends up there once.

Are there lessons for safety there?

Maybe gravel doesn’t help??

There’s always a risk of cars flipping with gravel, but it depends on the type of accident. If someones brakes fail the gravel can slow them down substantially, it’s it’s tarmac then it won’t.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2565 on: July 3, 2022, 03:38:13 pm »
Imagine spending all that money to then invade the track. Twats.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2566 on: July 3, 2022, 03:38:15 pm »
Looks like those Climate change freaks have tried to gain access to the track.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2567 on: July 3, 2022, 03:38:34 pm »
If you replayed Zhou’s car doing that 1000 times, I suspect his car ends up there once.

Are there lessons for safety there?

Maybe gravel doesn’t help??

Inadequate runoff for me. There's space to move the grandstands back some 30 metres.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2568 on: July 3, 2022, 03:39:39 pm »
That catchment fence really did it's job. Would have sent the car straight into the stand

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2569 on: July 3, 2022, 03:39:44 pm »
a view from the stand in front of the barrier that zhou flipped over.

https://twitter.com/AlexMilone/status/1543605102216445952

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2570 on: July 3, 2022, 03:40:47 pm »
They used to reset it to lap zero automatically for the first couple of laps back in the 90s when this happened a lot and spare cars were involved. From a safety standpoint it makes sense so people don't try lunges with damaged cars while they wait for a red to come out. Whether it's sportingly fair is another question.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2571 on: July 3, 2022, 03:41:40 pm »
So Hamilton loses his gains on the start and we go back to quali grid...

So stupid

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2572 on: July 3, 2022, 03:42:06 pm »
Imagine spending all that money to then invade the track. Twats.

Probably Everton fans outraged at all the red flags being waved.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2573 on: July 3, 2022, 03:43:09 pm »
Have they said when the restart is? Assuming the track is now safe not sure what they are waiting for
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2574 on: July 3, 2022, 03:43:43 pm »
Have they said when the restart is? Assuming the track is now safe not sure what they are waiting for

Fifteen minutes I think I heard.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2575 on: July 3, 2022, 03:43:45 pm »
Probably Everton fans outraged at all the red flags being waved.

I doubt they’d be there, probably busy watching stock car racing in Rhyl
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2576 on: July 3, 2022, 03:43:47 pm »
It's only fair Ferrari get some help from the FIA, usuallys it's all Red Bull and Mercedes.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2577 on: July 3, 2022, 03:44:36 pm »
So Hamilton loses his gains on the start and we go back to quali grid...

So stupid

They have to find a way of helping Ferarri somehow.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2578 on: July 3, 2022, 03:45:44 pm »
Russell is out of the race.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2579 on: July 3, 2022, 03:45:46 pm »
a view from the stand in front of the barrier that zhou flipped over.

https://twitter.com/AlexMilone/status/1543605102216445952

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That is fucking terrifying. Thankfully the lad is ok and if ever there was an advert for the halo then that is it.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2580 on: July 3, 2022, 03:46:08 pm »
Russell will not be allowed to restart his car

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2581 on: July 3, 2022, 03:47:45 pm »
That is fucking terrifying. Thankfully the lad is ok and if ever there was an advert for the halo then that is it.

Presumably the gravel would slow an uprighted car down, but because it was upside down then that just didn't happen. That is terrifying if you are in that stand.  :o
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2582 on: July 3, 2022, 03:51:31 pm »
if its grid order, wonder if Sainz switches to soft?

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2583 on: July 3, 2022, 03:52:08 pm »
Russell blaming everyone else for that. Can only assume he hasn't seen the replay
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2584 on: July 3, 2022, 03:52:45 pm »
Russell will not be allowed to restart his car
It’s the rules.. but you’ve got to feel for him… he was running to help.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2585 on: July 3, 2022, 03:53:29 pm »
So Hamilton loses his gains on the start and we go back to quali grid...

So stupid
I’m not saying he would be drastically better off in the standings but Hamilton has had some rotten luck this season.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2586 on: July 3, 2022, 03:53:49 pm »
I sort of understood them not allowing George to restart but now they’ve effectively said the race start didn’t actually happen then it seems harsh.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2587 on: July 3, 2022, 03:53:56 pm »
Starting again in two minutes.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2588 on: July 3, 2022, 03:54:28 pm »
Alex Albion has gone to hospital in Coventry for precautionary checks…

Gone a bit un noticed that
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2589 on: July 3, 2022, 03:55:10 pm »
Guardian is reporting that the track incursion was by protestors from Just Stop Oil, who had sat in the middle of the track just as the red flag came out.

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2590 on: July 3, 2022, 03:55:16 pm »
Russell blaming everyone else for that. Can only assume he hasn't seen the replay

You watched a different interview to me, all he said was he got clipped and that sent him into Zhou. Seems a pretty accurate assessment to me and it’s clearly a racing incident with no one to blame anyway.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2591 on: July 3, 2022, 03:57:33 pm »
Russell blaming everyone else for that. Can only assume he hasn't seen the replay
Didn’t Gasly squeeze into a gap that just closed, and tapped Russell’s car?  Not saying Gasly was to blame, but I don’t think Russell was either particularly?

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2592 on: July 3, 2022, 03:57:48 pm »
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2593 on: July 3, 2022, 03:59:02 pm »
Didn’t Gasly squeeze into a gap that just closed, and tapped Russell’s car?  Not saying Gasly was to blame, but I don’t think Russell was either particularly?
It’s the start of the race.  Doubt he even knew he was there.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2594 on: July 3, 2022, 03:59:28 pm »
It’s the start of the race.  Doubt he even knew he was there.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2595 on: July 3, 2022, 03:59:31 pm »
So much space between the cars again on the warm up lap.
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2596 on: July 3, 2022, 03:59:39 pm »
Didn’t Gasly squeeze into a gap that just closed, and tapped Russell’s car?  Not saying Gasly was to blame, but I don’t think Russell was either particularly?

Gasly was going in between Zhou and Russell. Russell moved left while Gasly had almost half a car length alongside him causing the collision
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2597 on: July 3, 2022, 04:00:37 pm »
Sainz is out of control:
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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2598 on: July 3, 2022, 04:01:36 pm »
Perez lost a lot of front wing

Hamilton lost ground now

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Re: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)
« Reply #2599 on: July 3, 2022, 04:02:12 pm »
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