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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33160 on: June 30, 2022, 12:49:29 pm »
The reason Bellingham wears the number 22 is that's the number of the positions he can play added up.
10 - Attacking midfielder
8 - Box to box midfielder
4 (usually 6) - Holding midfielder

= 22

So Ramsay will give up his shirt number in a year ;)
convenient use of maths, there  :)

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33161 on: June 30, 2022, 12:52:35 pm »

Me neither.  Rice as well.  They're £50-60m players at best and that's including 'English Tax'.

With Rice an 'English Tax' - if such a thing exists - makes some sense. Any potential buyer in the Premier League has a guarantee that Rice can perform well in that league. It's not too quick for him, not too tough, not too exhausting. He'll probably hit the ground running too. It won't take six months to get him up to speed. That's worth a surcharge in my opinion.

For Bellingham though it is different. We have far less idea of how he'll perform in the Premier League. Occasionally a Bundesliga import takes the English league by storm. Thiago, for example. I expect Haaland will do the same (alas). But it's surprising the number of failures, even outright flops, there have been in recent times. Chelsea have a couple in Werner and Pulisic. Havertz may yet flower into a brilliant footballer, but at the moment there is clearly less to his game in London than there used to be in Leverkusen. Man United have long operated an assembly line, taking some of the finest sons of the Bundesliga and watching them melt away in the hothouse of English football - Schweinsteiger, Kagawa, Mkhitaryan, Sancho.   

I reckon Bellingham would be too much of a risk for Liverpool.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33162 on: June 30, 2022, 12:56:17 pm »
convenient use of maths, there  :)

That is in the words of Bellingham's former coach.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33163 on: June 30, 2022, 12:56:32 pm »
I could not find the Keita to Juve in exchange for Rabiot rumour links.

I find it amusing that Juve now want us to consider Bobby Firmino in exchange for Rabiot. Liv Echo
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33164 on: June 30, 2022, 01:01:27 pm »
I could not find the Keita to Juve in exchange for Rabiot rumour links.

I find it amusing that Juve now want us to consider Bobby Firmino in exchange for Rabiot. Liv Echo
Personally I would definitely keep Bobby for another  12 months - so no way



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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33165 on: June 30, 2022, 01:07:32 pm »
With Rice an 'English Tax' - if such a thing exists - makes some sense. Any potential buyer in the Premier League has a guarantee that Rice can perform well in that league. It's not too quick for him, not too tough, not too exhausting. He'll probably hit the ground running too. It won't take six months to get him up to speed. That's worth a surcharge in my opinion.

For Bellingham though it is different. We have far less idea of how he'll perform in the Premier League. Occasionally a Bundesliga import takes the English league by storm. Thiago, for example. I expect Haaland will do the same (alas). But it's surprising the number of failures, even outright flops, there have been in recent times. Chelsea have a couple in Werner and Pulisic. Havertz may yet flower into a brilliant footballer, but at the moment there is clearly less to his game in London than there used to be in Leverkusen. Man United have long operated an assembly line, taking some of the finest sons of the Bundesliga and watching them melt away in the hothouse of English football - Schweinsteiger, Kagawa, Mkhitaryan, Sancho.   

I reckon Bellingham would be too much of a risk for Liverpool.

I think the most important thing for Liverpool targeting young players is a strong mental attitude and world-class attributes. That is enough building blocks to mould a player into an elite world-class player. We aren't going to buy the finished article (Thiago aside). 120m Euros is a steep asking price (if that is indeed the price) but potentially you could have the player for 10 years. Rooney cost 30m back in the day.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33166 on: June 30, 2022, 01:10:26 pm »
Maybe, but that doesn't mean they're not extremely good midfielders in their own right. Anyone who doesn't rate Rice hasn't watched his development in the last 12 months or so. I think he's brilliant.

I’m with you on Rice.

He’s not a 100-120M player that is being quoted in the media but he’s still a very good prospect. If Kalvin Phillips is a 50M player then Rice is worth more. He’s the better player, younger (by 3 years) and most tested at PL level (>150 PL games versus <50 for Phillips).

I wouldn’t necessarily want Rice at Liverpool because I’m not sure where he fits in our system. That’s doesn’t stop him being a really good player in my eyes.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33167 on: June 30, 2022, 01:11:48 pm »
The Echo is the worst of unreliable sources - just the very definition of ‘clickbait’.

Don't they just aggregate rumours ?  Kind of like the BBC Gossip column but worse.

'Real Madrid ace in Liverpool link' turns out Vinicius Jr went to the Beatles museum. That sort of thing.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33168 on: June 30, 2022, 01:13:59 pm »
With Rice an 'English Tax' - if such a thing exists - makes some sense. Any potential buyer in the Premier League has a guarantee that Rice can perform well in that league. It's not too quick for him, not too tough, not too exhausting. He'll probably hit the ground running too. It won't take six months to get him up to speed. That's worth a surcharge in my opinion.

For Bellingham though it is different. We have far less idea of how he'll perform in the Premier League. Occasionally a Bundesliga import takes the English league by storm. Thiago, for example. I expect Haaland will do the same (alas). But it's surprising the number of failures, even outright flops, there have been in recent times. Chelsea have a couple in Werner and Pulisic. Havertz may yet flower into a brilliant footballer, but at the moment there is clearly less to his game in London than there used to be in Leverkusen. Man United have long operated an assembly line, taking some of the finest sons of the Bundesliga and watching them melt away in the hothouse of English football - Schweinsteiger, Kagawa, Mkhitaryan, Sancho.   

I reckon Bellingham would be too much of a risk for Liverpool.

On top of Thiago I reckon Matip and Firmino have done alright! I'm strongly temped to discount Utd because over the last decade most of their signings haven't really worked out, wherever they've come from. And of course there's a certain Belgian who's done pretty well. This sort of posts discounting players who've moved from the Bundesliga almost always ends up falling prey to selection bias.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33169 on: June 30, 2022, 01:19:04 pm »
again people conventinetly forgetting Konate :lmao  Maybe cos he could barely get a game in Bundesliga.  (And Son, Gundogan and Sane to name 3 others it seems).

Havertz already looks the part.  Maybe give Sancho a little bit more time I reckon.

Anyway, often, it’s more to do with the player than the league they come from, happens to a lot of players from Serie A as well though.  Plenty over the years from Bundesliga are having or have had very good PL careers.

With Bellingham, the fee would be prohibitive I would suspect. 

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
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« Reply #33171 on: June 30, 2022, 02:22:08 pm »

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33172 on: June 30, 2022, 03:37:45 pm »
Does anyone on here know Grizz Khan personally? He's been dropping cryptic messages that Salah has agreed a new deal over the last few days.

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« Reply #33173 on: June 30, 2022, 03:40:09 pm »
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« Reply #33174 on: June 30, 2022, 03:53:08 pm »
Don't they just aggregate rumours ?  Kind of like the BBC Gossip column but worse.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33175 on: June 30, 2022, 03:58:42 pm »
So all this excitement is down to something in the Echo? 😀
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33176 on: June 30, 2022, 04:17:05 pm »
Does anyone on here know Grizz Khan personally? He's been dropping cryptic messages that Salah has agreed a new deal over the last few days.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33177 on: June 30, 2022, 04:17:47 pm »
Does anyone on here know Grizz Khan personally? He's been dropping cryptic messages that Salah has agreed a new deal over the last few days.

He did about six months ago, yet here we are.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33178 on: June 30, 2022, 04:18:53 pm »
Does anyone on here know Grizz Khan personally? He's been dropping cryptic messages that Salah has agreed a new deal over the last few days.

Yeah Grizz is very reliable, I had lunch with him and Ornstein the other week
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« Reply #33179 on: June 30, 2022, 04:27:23 pm »
Yeah Grizz is very reliable, I had lunch with him and Ornstein the other week
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« Reply #33180 on: June 30, 2022, 04:29:44 pm »
Yeah Grizz is very reliable, I had lunch with him and Ornstein the other week

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« Reply #33181 on: June 30, 2022, 04:38:08 pm »
How would you describe Darwin Nunez career so far? Or Tchouameni’s ?

Personally I think their both those deals are over pays … however football at the top end is such a small market (number of clubs) that after a few deals a new fee level is normalized

I don’t think either deal was overpaid. It’s just the value that both buying club and selling club were happy to agree, so by that definition each fee is market value. (As you’ve pointed out, it’s a small specialised market, not like the housing market where an estate agent sets a value that can be easily compared with similar houses.)

Also, looking at transfer fees alone ignores other factors such as salary (current and potential), contract length (current club too), age of player, how urgent the buying club needs him, how urgent the selling club needs the money, how much the player wants to leave, etc, so it’s hard to attribute a generalised market value to footballers. The market values on transfermkt are too generalised.

Haaland is being touted as a bargain, but his whole package including commissions, salary and the fact he has a release clause, takes his “cost” to at least double Nunez. Will he produce twice as much on the pitch?

If Haaland was on the same wages as Nunez, City would have probably had to pay a lot more for his transfer fee, as many other clubs would have been interested, so there could have been a bidding war.

Same as with Nunez. If he said he was open to United too, then we would have had to match their bid. In other words, we paid less potentially because he only wanted to move to LFC.


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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33182 on: June 30, 2022, 04:54:46 pm »
Does anyone on here know Grizz Khan personally? He's been dropping cryptic messages that Salah has agreed a new deal over the last few days.

So has nocturnalvin, formerly of this parish, who has known a thing or two over the years.
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« Reply #33183 on: June 30, 2022, 05:01:10 pm »
Rumours seem to be circling, but it could all just be one rumour fuelling others to regurgitate the same rumour to appear ITK in case it’s true.
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« Reply #33184 on: June 30, 2022, 05:13:13 pm »
Rumours seem to be circling, but it could all just be one rumour fuelling others to regurgitate the same rumour to appear ITK in case it’s true.
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« Reply #33185 on: June 30, 2022, 05:14:53 pm »
Grizz Khan is just another chancer.

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« Reply #33186 on: June 30, 2022, 05:17:49 pm »
Yeah Grizz is very reliable, I had lunch with him and Ornstein the other week

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« Reply #33187 on: June 30, 2022, 05:19:41 pm »
An ITK human centipede, if you will.

Spot on.

Before Van Dijk signed, there was a tweet from a random account that said they’d just seen Van Dijk in Manchester Airport getting off a private plane. Then some ITK (Graeme or something) posted a tweet about Van Dijk signing. I always believe he saw that airport tweet (probably searching for info like me when I was bored) then simply speculated it was true.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33188 on: June 30, 2022, 05:20:00 pm »
So has nocturnalvin, formerly of this parish, who has known a thing or two over the years.

He's another one that loves a cryptic message. They love the attention they get.

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« Reply #33189 on: June 30, 2022, 05:51:21 pm »
He's another one that loves a cryptic message. They love the attention they get.

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« Reply #33190 on: June 30, 2022, 05:53:33 pm »
I love ITKs. I actually believe a lot of them think they have the inside track, because I’m sure there’s a WhatsApp group where they all share ‘info’. And because they can’t be seen to be out the loop, when one asks ‘have you heard that Mo’s signed a deal’, they all feel the need to say yeah and it becomes this echo chamber where they get validation from each other.

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« Reply #33191 on: June 30, 2022, 06:01:12 pm »
I love ITKs. I actually believe a lot of them think they have the inside track, because I’m sure there’s a WhatsApp group where they all share ‘info’. And because they can’t be seen to be out the loop, when one asks ‘have you heard that Mo’s signed a deal’, they all feel the need to say yeah and it becomes this echo chamber where they get validation from each other.

Spot on.

Then if by coincidence there’s real news that aligns with their guessing game, they endlessly RT their own tweets trying to appear like they did have inside knowledge. A lot of people fall for it too.

I’m willing to bet that most of them also delete tweets that show they’re just bullshitters e.g. when a player signs with a different club to their “ITK” claims. 
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« Reply #33192 on: June 30, 2022, 06:02:56 pm »
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« Reply #33193 on: June 30, 2022, 06:14:15 pm »
Spot on.

Then if by coincidence there’s real news that aligns with their guessing game, they endlessly RT their own tweets trying to appear like they did have inside knowledge. A lot of people fall for it too.

I’m willing to bet that most of them also delete tweets that show they’re just bullshitters e.g. when a player signs with a different club to their “ITK” claims.

They are sometimes right, but in ways that are quite easy to suss out. So sometimes they’ll get early team news - say 30 mins before a game - but all it takes is knowing someone at the ground who can send you a pic of the printed teamsheet which is handed to journos in advance of the team being publicly posted.

Or another way is to ‘beat’ a journo to a story by a few hours. I used to work in newspapers, and the stories that are in the next day’s paper - the 10.30 embargo stuff - is obviously written way in advance of that time. So if you’re one of the dozens of people working at any one of multiple papers with the same story, you can find out important info before it’s made public. Again, not a stretch to imagine people sharing that info to their mates.

None of that is real inside info though - it’s just finding something out slightly ahead of time. It absolutely doesn’t correlate that these ITKs are looped in on the inner workings of Julian Ward.

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« Reply #33194 on: June 30, 2022, 06:18:16 pm »
I personally feel we have enough young prospects in midfield and we need to bring in a seasoned pro.

Has Bellingham transformed Dortmund in any way? I don't think they are that much better since he joined so I don't think he'll be a transformative signing for us either.

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« Reply #33195 on: June 30, 2022, 06:22:27 pm »
Does anyone on here know Grizz Khan personally? He's been dropping cryptic messages that Salah has agreed a new deal over the last few days.
He's been doing that for almost a year and he's been wrong so far

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« Reply #33196 on: June 30, 2022, 06:23:41 pm »
Don't see Salah signing a new contract if I'm honest, there are untold riches available to him as a "free" agent, you're talking Mbappe money.

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« Reply #33197 on: June 30, 2022, 06:25:38 pm »
Does anyone on here know Grizz Khan personally? He's been dropping cryptic messages that Salah has agreed a new deal over the last few days.

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« Reply #33198 on: June 30, 2022, 06:25:50 pm »
I personally feel we have enough young prospects in midfield and we need to bring in a seasoned pro.

Has Bellingham transformed Dortmund in any way? I don't think they are that much better since he joined so I don't think he'll be a transformative signing for us either.

My view is that if Bellingham was 24 - but the exact same player as he is now - there’d be lots more people saying he’s ideal for us. I don’t think he can really be classed as a prospect considering the gametime he’s already got under his belt for a very good side.

Don’t think he’d be immediately transformative, but if we get him it’s because we think he can go to even greater levels - and that would be transformative in itself.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #33199 on: June 30, 2022, 06:35:49 pm »
I personally feel we have enough young prospects in midfield and we need to bring in a seasoned pro.

Has Bellingham transformed Dortmund in any way? I don't think they are that much better since he joined so I don't think he'll be a transformative signing for us either.
He’s stopped them from becoming a complete irrelevance as most of the players around him have floundered.
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