Topic: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD

[The North Bank]

What position does he play?

Left wing right wing number 10

[Clint Eastwood]

That will be almost £200m spent this season.

[The North Bank]

That will be almost £200m spent this season.

Chelsea have already spent 280m this season, United 240m,  only when it’s Arsenal someone is counting. At the moment we are 9th highest spenders, behind west ham and forest, but ahead of Liverpool

[Big Dirk]

New club doctor signed up…Jonathan power.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

According to the mirror, Modryk to Arsenal for 40m Will get done!

Top player, remember first coming across him ripping up Real Madrid in CL.

You know you're out of touch with modern football when you see a player you've never heard of having a mooted transfer fee of £40m!, he could be a good player but I've never heard of him before!

[So… Howard Philips]

New club doctor signed up…Jonathan power.

This Jonathan Power?
https://www.doctify.com/uk/specialist/dr_jonathan_power_1

What’s your source?

[Hazell]

Just posted in the main forum:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liverpool-appoint-new-club-doctor-jonathan-power-before-premier-leagues-resumption-tkfrpbp0t

[Dim Glas]

That will be almost £200m spent this season.

they’ve been spending for a good while, one of the biggest spenders in the league, it’s weird how they fall under the radar in that regard.

[MBL?]

Is Messi off to inter Miami? Reckon Phil can improve his game by a few levels.

[The G in Gerrard]

Left wing right wing number 10

Youse love 40 million quid bids.

[amir87]

A very good signing for that quoted price. Arsenal are making sensible moves in recent windows.

[PeterTheRed ...]

A very good signing for that quoted price. Arsenal are making sensible moves in recent windows.

A talented youngster with a few good games in the CL. And a pretty expensive gamble at £40 million ...

[ScottishGoon]

According to the mirror, Modryk to Arsenal for 40m Will get done!

Top player, remember first coming across him ripping up Real Madrid in CL.

Need something more reliable than the Mirror and the Mail telling us this before I believe its getting done. Exciting player mind you.

[sinnermichael]

Nkunku to Chelsea pretty much done for the summer.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Nkunku to Chelsea pretty much done for the summer.

What a bizarre move for him to make

[Clint Eastwood]

Can't help but feel that he will be another Werner/Pulisic/Havertz. You'd think a better team would have come in for him by now, so there might be something off with him.

[Dave McCoy]

Recent Bundesliga transfers have basically led me to believe that any top of the market prices are a complete rip-off unless the player is clearly best in the world at their position. I guess the question then is £60m top of the market or a reasonable price? Would say no way he puts up anywhere near the numbers he is in the Bundesliga here in the PL.

[disgraced cake]

Recent Bundesliga transfers have basically led me to believe that any top of the market prices are a complete rip-off unless the player is clearly best in the world at their position. I guess the question then is £60m top of the market or a reasonable price? Would say no way he puts up anywhere near the numbers he is in the Bundesliga here in the PL.

The likes of Dortmund and Leipzig play kamikaze football all season and it's exactly what those at the top of their clubs want to see. It's pretty grim actually when you think about it. A lot of the time they'd probably rather lose 5-4 than win 1-0 IMO, if the likes of a Sancho can score a brace and get 15 goals in a season, even from out wide at a young age. It's no wonder Dortmund invested in him and put him right into the first team because they knew they'd sell him on for massive money. The football he sees in the Prem is practically another sport.

[ScottishGoon]

Recent Bundesliga transfers have basically led me to believe that any top of the market prices are a complete rip-off unless the player is clearly best in the world at their position. I guess the question then is £60m top of the market or a reasonable price? Would say no way he puts up anywhere near the numbers he is in the Bundesliga here in the PL.

Think it also depends on the club they are actually signing for. Utd and Chelsea seemed to sign a lot over the years, without any real plan on how to get the best out of the player, clubs which seem to have regular changes in managers and systems.

It's been said on here many times, but it would have been interesting to see Werner play for Liverpool under Klopp for instance.

[lionel_messias]

The likes of Dortmund and Leipzig play kamikaze football all season and it's exactly what those at the top of their clubs want to see. It's pretty grim actually when you think about it. A lot of the time they'd probably rather lose 5-4 than win 1-0 IMO, if the likes of a Sancho can score a brace and get 15 goals in a season, even from out wide at a young age. It's no wonder Dortmund invested in him and put him right into the first team because they knew they'd sell him on for massive money. The football he sees in the Prem is practically another sport.

It is a very interesting one as many (myself included) were super keen to see Jaden Sancho at Liverpool. I wonder if we have clever analytics that figured out he would not put up those numbers in the PL, or maybe we just never considered it because of the money involved?

Sancho's stats were off the charts in Germany, now he has fallen off the cliff and will be watching the World Cup miserably.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

It is a very interesting one as many (myself included) were super keen to see Jaden Sancho at Liverpool. I wonder if we have clever analytics that figured out he would not put up those numbers in the PL, or maybe we just never considered it because of the money involved?

Sancho's stats were off the charts in Germany, now he has fallen off the cliff and will be watching the World Cup miserably.

I'd say his £350k per week might cushion the blow somewhat.

[lionel_messias]

I'd say his £350k per week might cushion the blow somewhat.

I'm sure it does but his career almost flat-lining won't fill him with joy.

[Knight]

It is a very interesting one as many (myself included) were super keen to see Jaden Sancho at Liverpool. I wonder if we have clever analytics that figured out he would not put up those numbers in the PL, or maybe we just never considered it because of the money involved?

Sancho's stats were off the charts in Germany, now he has fallen off the cliff and will be watching the World Cup miserably.

He was an idiot going to Man Utd. Players willing to leave England to develop in Germany at a very young age really shouldn't waste that sacrifice and good career planning by heading to Utd on a massive pay packet when they're still pretty raw.

[plura]

It is a very interesting one as many (myself included) were super keen to see Jaden Sancho at Liverpool. I wonder if we have clever analytics that figured out he would not put up those numbers in the PL, or maybe we just never considered it because of the money involved?

Sancho's stats were off the charts in Germany, now he has fallen off the cliff and will be watching the World Cup miserably.

Jadon Sancho as a player I believe in a better environment would be excellent for many PL teams beyond just doing very well in Germany. But as a technical flair player he needs that right fit, in environment, manager, club, etc I think. Compared to someone more ruthless like Haaland that probably will do very well anywhere.
So key take away is that he made the wrong decision going to Man Utd, but with that hype and stupid transfer valuation there wouldn't be enough suitors.

[Dave McCoy]

Think it also depends on the club they are actually signing for. Utd and Chelsea seemed to sign a lot over the years, without any real plan on how to get the best out of the player, clubs which seem to have regular changes in managers and systems.

It's been said on here many times, but it would have been interesting to see Werner play for Liverpool under Klopp for instance.

You’d have a point if all the transfers went to just one club. Just off the top of my head you have the likes of Haller, Joelinton, or even Weghorst that were busts. So regardless of club you get a similar result. What was the last Bundesliga transfer that was top dollar, not a release clause, and worked out? So why would I think Werner would be any different?

[El Lobo]

I dont think you needed to be a rocket scientist (or a good football scout) to pick Sancho out whilst he was at Dortmund. 114 goals or assists in 137 games for them. But looking at his stats on FBref (cos I honestly didnt watch much of him at all at Dortmund) it actually looks like he was incredibly clinical for a wide attacker considering how many shots he had. So whilst clinical is good, not getting as many shots away as others in his position....not so much. Plus not really contributing much defensively. As daft as it may sound it does seem like those three seasons at Dortmund he was just running very hot.

[Dave McCoy]

I dont think you needed to be a rocket scientist (or a good football scout) to pick Sancho out whilst he was at Dortmund. 114 goals or assists in 137 games for them. But looking at his stats on FBref (cos I honestly didnt watch much of him at all at Dortmund) it actually looks like he was incredibly clinical for a wide attacker considering how many shots he had. So whilst clinical is good, not getting as many shots away as others in his position....not so much. Plus not really contributing much defensively. As daft as it may sound it does seem like those three seasons at Dortmund he was just running very hot.

It’s one thing to run hot but still be good. It’s completely different to run hot and then be bad. He can barely get a shot off now. That’s just not a system or coaching issue. Nkunku may be different but I wouldn’t start with that assumption.

[ScottishGoon]

You’d have a point if all the transfers went to just one club. Just off the top of my head you have the likes of Haller, Joelinton, or even Weghorst that were busts. So regardless of club you get a similar result. What was the last Bundesliga transfer that was top dollar, not a release clause, and worked out? So why would I think Werner would be any different?

Again, look at the clubs that they signed for though, you've named 3 attackers playing in at the time struggling teams. Guys like Joelinton and Haller I don't think excelled in Germany as lone number 9's, and that's where Newcastle and West Ham tried to play them.

City certainly aren't scared to shop there, and have signed Halland, Akanji, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Sane, all the way back to Dzeko and Kompany, and had a very decent success rate.

[disgraced cake]

It is a very interesting one as many (myself included) were super keen to see Jaden Sancho at Liverpool. I wonder if we have clever analytics that figured out he would not put up those numbers in the PL, or maybe we just never considered it because of the money involved?

Sancho's stats were off the charts in Germany, now he has fallen off the cliff and will be watching the World Cup miserably.

I know his stats were great at Dortmund but I never saw him play loads - I always had a feeling a few of his goals would have been Sterling-esque, just being there for tap ins across the six yard box, they can't all have been world class goals from out wide where he took two defenders on and curled in a beauty, can be said for most players though.

75 million was such a gamble on him, really.

[Dim Glas]

Again, look at the clubs that they signed for though, you've named 3 attackers playing in at the time struggling teams. Guys like Joelinton and Haller I don't think excelled in Germany as lone number 9's, and that's where Newcastle and West Ham tried to play them.

City certainly aren't scared to shop there, and have signed Halland, Akanji, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Sane, all the way back to Dzeko and Kompany, and had a very decent success rate.

Also, isn’t Joelinton anything but a ‘bust’, seems to be one of the main men at Saudi Arabia FC these days.

It’s funny to me this simplistic linking of league with players success. As you say, who they sign for also needs to be a big consideration. And that goes for all leagues.

Also, some of these players wheren’t exactly ‘stars’ or great in the teams’ they came from - Joelinton actually being a good example. He was seen as a decent young player but certainly not considered a stand out at all.  There’s a reason no one really gave a shit at his signing.   

[lionel_messias]

I know his stats were great at Dortmund but I never saw him play loads - I always had a feeling a few of his goals would have been Sterling-esque, just being there for tap ins across the six yard box, they can't all have been world class goals from out wide where he took two defenders on and curled in a beauty, can be said for most players though.

75 million was such a gamble on him, really.

Makes you wonder what Klopp would have made of him. Would it have been higher workrate and better positioning with us? He doesn't seem a Sadio type so defenders don't bounce off him and equally he's not getting into too many central areas to get shots in, like Mo Salah*



*you can be a good player and not be Mo Salah to be fair!

[Dave McCoy]

Again, look at the clubs that they signed for though, you've named 3 attackers playing in at the time struggling teams. Guys like Joelinton and Haller I don't think excelled in Germany as lone number 9's, and that's where Newcastle and West Ham tried to play them.

City certainly aren't scared to shop there, and have signed Halland, Akanji, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Sane, all the way back to Dzeko and Kompany, and had a very decent success rate.

So your example is two best in the world type players from 6 and 7 years ago and one this season? The rest weren't top of the market which is what my point was but of course expecting people to read and understand the point isn't really necessary online.

Things are cyclical, there will be a time again when the league produces better talent. But for now to sit there and say all the failed transfers are due to all the different clubs, that's a stretch to say the least.

Also, isn’t Joelinton anything but a ‘bust’, seems to be one of the main men at Saudi Arabia FC these days.

It’s funny to me this simplistic linking of league with players success. As you say, who they sign for also needs to be a big consideration. And that goes for all leagues.

Also, some of these players wheren’t exactly ‘stars’ or great in the teams’ they came from - Joelinton actually being a good example. He was seen as a decent young player but certainly not considered a stand out at all.  There’s a reason no one really gave a shit at his signing.   

Joelinton was a £40m forward signing but since he's been repurposed into a cromulent midfielder that doesn't score still that's ok? I mean to each their own but that wouldn't be a success at all in probably most peoples book for that kind of money.

[FlashGordon]

So your example is two best in the world type players from 6 and 7 years ago and one this season? The rest weren't top of the market which is what my point was but of course expecting people to read and understand the point isn't really necessary online.

Things are cyclical, there will be a time again when the league produces better talent. But for now to sit there and say all the failed transfers are due to all the different clubs, that's a stretch to say the least.

Joelinton was a £40m forward signing but since he's been repurposed into a cromulent midfielder that doesn't score still that's ok? I mean to each their own but that wouldn't be a success at all in probably most peoples book for that kind of money.

Do midfielders have to score to be a success?

40 million is about the going rate for a decent midfielder these days. Maybe even slightly more.

[Dim Glas]

Do midfielders have to score to be a success?

40 million is about the going rate for a decent midfielder these days. Maybe even slightly more.

when Joelinton signed, the fee was mad for sure, that’s why people where a bit ‘eh??’ about it, because he scored like 7 goals that season and here they where throwing a big wedge of cash at a player who’d done little or shown that sort of promise.

But the transfer has worked out for Saudi Fc, as he’s now found his place it seems, and is actually proving to be a very good player for them. It just took a while.

[Dave McCoy]

Do midfielders have to score to be a success?

40 million is about the going rate for a decent midfielder these days. Maybe even slightly more.

Well, if you're buying a player to play striker then I think scoring kind of goes with the territory. Four years ago the going rate from a cromulent midfielder was £40m? Yeah, I'd say that's a no and aside from the fact he's turned into a useful player that doesn't then mean spending top dollar in the Bundesliga is now a good idea.

when Joelinton signed, the fee was mad for sure, that’s why people where a bit ‘eh??’ about it, because he scored like 7 goals that season and here they where throwing a big wedge of cash at a player who’d done little or shown that sort of promise.

But the transfer has worked out for Saudi Fc, as he’s now found his place it seems, and is actually proving to be a very good player for them. It just took a while.

I think you should either take me off ignore or just stop arguing with me through other people but what do I know.

[FlashGordon]

Well, if you're buying a player to play striker then I think scoring kind of goes with the territory. Four years ago the going rate from a cromulent midfielder was £40m? Yeah, I'd say that's a no and aside from the fact he's turned into a useful player that doesn't then mean spending top dollar in the Bundesliga is now a good idea.

I think you should either take me off ignore or just stop arguing with me through other people but what do I know.

But he doesn't play as a striker anymore, he plays as a midfielder. He was never an out and out striker to begin with.

I see you've learned a new word for the day, brilliant, he's much better than acceptable or adequate though. I said it's the going rate these days as in if they were to go out and buy a midfielder comparable to Joelinton in January he'd cost at least 40 million.

[Dave McCoy]

But he doesn't play as a striker anymore, he plays as a midfielder. He was never an out and out striker to begin with.

I see you've learned a new word for the day, brilliant, he's much better than acceptable or adequate though. I said it's the going rate these days as in if they were to go out and buy a midfielder comparable to Joelinton in January he'd cost at least 40 million.

Ah, I see we're now at the personal attack stage. Good for you.

Be that as it may, what does Joelinton do well in midfield that could only be replicated by signing someone for £40m? Further why would that then lead you to want to spend at the high end of the spectrum in the Bundesliga? You may happen upon a good player in a different position than you thought? Sancho didn't work out but Joelinton did in a different position so lets spend £100m on Wirtz, yes?

Joelinton not being an out and out striker would be news to Newcastle and Hoffenheim fans, he only started just about every game in a 2 for them before transfering.

[FlashGordon]

Ah, I see we're now at the personal attack stage. Good for you.

Be that as it may, what does Joelinton do well in midfield that could only be replicated by signing someone for £40m? Further why would that then lead you to want to spend at the high end of the spectrum in the Bundesliga? You may happen upon a good player in a different position than you thought? Sancho didn't work out but Joelinton did in a different position so lets spend £100m on Wirtz, yes?

Joelinton not being an out and out striker would be news to Newcastle and Hoffenheim fans, he only started just about every game in a 2 for them before transfering.

Where is the personal attack there?

You know you can play in a 2 up top and not be an out and out striker? Where did someone say to go spend £100m on Wirtz?

He's proven he can play to a high standard for a top 4 team in the Premier League, that's going to cost you at least £40 million.

[Dave McCoy]

Where is the personal attack there?

You know you can play in a 2 up top and not be an out and out striker? Where did someone say to go spend £100m on Wirtz?

He's proven he can play to a high standard for a top 4 team in the Premier League, that's going to cost you at least £40 million.

So saying someone learned a new word is just a normal pat on the back type thing for you?

As far as the rest, I think you should look at what my original point was and then get back to me.

[ScottishGoon]

So your example is two best in the world type players from 6 and 7 years ago and one this season? The rest weren't top of the market which is what my point was but of course expecting people to read and understand the point isn't really necessary online.

Things are cyclical, there will be a time again when the league produces better talent. But for now to sit there and say all the failed transfers are due to all the different clubs, that's a stretch to say the least.

Dave, I didn't quite make it clear, I do agree with you, it's a league that is attack focused so allows attackers especially the space to flourish and pad stats etc that they might not necessarily get in other leagues. I was confident for example that Sancho wouldn't reach anywhere near the numbers he got at Dortmund, but didn't think he would bomb this badly.

My point was in addition to that, clubs in this league have too much money and not enough brains when signing players in general, and are signing players having a good season or 6 months and playing  them in different positions and formations than they are used to and expecting the same results.

Joelinton and Haller both played in a 2 and they were put up front on their own, Werner often played in a 2 at Leipzig, Havertz is more a number 10 in an era where we don't really play with 1, Pulisic was always talented but suffered with injuries, Utd signed Sancho to play right wing when I always found him better coming in off the left, then they proceeded to play him with a lamp post up front.

Even looking at my own club, we signed a wing back in Kolasinac who couldn't defend and played him in a back 4, it's took us years to get the best out of Xhaka eventually realising leaving him exposed as the deeper midfielder isn't a good idea, Sokratis was always just an ok defender. Auba was a success for the first 2 and a half years so can't argue with that.