Topic: Brexit. the Con continues

[Mahern]

Decimalisation refers to both currency and weights.

Pennies don't

[Jiminy Cricket]

Pennies don't

Huh? Twelve pennies to the shilling, and twenty shillings to the pound = 240 pennies to the pound.

[BarryCrocker]

Decimalisation refers to both currency and weights.

I was highlighting the return to '240 pennies in a pound' part of the suggestion that the UK was considering.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I was highlighting the return to '240 pennies in a pound' part of the suggestion that the UK was considering.

All I was suggesting is that decimalisation refers to both currency and weights. So, if considering reverting to ounces and pounds, or pennies, shillings and pounds, they both are Imperial non-decimal. You cannot have ounces/pounds or pennies/shillings/pounds without a (partial) reversal of decimalisation. I guess I don't understand your point.

Why on earth would any right-minded, logical thinking, intelligent person consider going back to 240 pennies in a pound, 16 ounces in a pound and all the rest of the illogical Imperial weights and measures when we can all count in multiples of TEN?? It's  no-brainer!!

Don't think there has ever been the suggestion that they would reverse decimalisation.

Edit: clarification.

[BarryCrocker]

All I was suggesting is that decimalisation refers to both currency and weights. So, if considering reverting to ounces and pounds, or pennies, shillings and pounds, they both are Imperial. You cannot have ounces/pounds or pennies/shillings/pounds without a (partial) reversal of decimalisation. I guess I don't understand your point.Don't think there has ever been the suggestion that they would reverse decimalisation.

I'm pretty sure currency isn't imperial.

My point is that all the talk is about reverting back to imperial measures from the metric system.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I'm pretty sure currency isn't imperial.

My point is that all the talk is about reverting back to imperial measures from the metric system.

Oh, right you are about my use of 'Imperial' - and my misnomer - with regard to currency. I meant that they both are non-decimal. The change of both weights & measures, and currency, are both part of decimalisation (base 10 counting), that's all.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I'm pretty sure currency isn't imperial.

My point is that all the talk is about reverting back to imperial measures from the metric system.

Yes - I think that's correct. Or, at least, that's what Rees-Mogg has been talking about of late. There are some, however - largely, the same people who back reverting to ounces and pounds - who would love to go back to pounds, shillings and pence. Of course, it all complete and utter nonsense.

[Mahern]

Huh? Twelve pennies to the shilling, and twenty shillings to the pound = 240 pennies to the pound.

Pennies don't relate to weight

[PaulF]

Fucking ridiculous. Shall we just move all our freight by canal too?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Pennies don't relate to weight

Of course not.* I was responding to this:

Why on earth would any right-minded, logical thinking, intelligent person consider going back to 240 pennies in a pound, 16 ounces in a pound and all the rest of the illogical Imperial weights and measures when we can all count in multiples of TEN?? It's  no-brainer!!

Don't think there has ever been the suggestion that they would reverse decimalisation.

The use of 100 pennies to the pound is part of decimalisation, that's all. Decimalisation refers to both weights (& measures) and currency.

* Actually, penny can relate to weight too - but of course we are talking about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennyweight

But I think we are mostly talking at cross-purposes. And I'm sure it is not important or of interest to most here anyway.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Shall we just move all our freight by canal too?

For none perishables this is actually a good idea.

[Mahern]

Of course not.* I was responding to this:Don't think there has ever been the suggestion that they would reverse decimalisation.

The use of 100 pennies to the pound is part of decimalisation, that's all. Decimalisation refers to both weights (& measures) and currency.

* Actually, penny can relate to weight too - but of course we are talking about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennyweight

But I think we are mostly talking at cross-purposes. And I'm sure it is not important or of interest to most here anyway.

Fair enough out-pedanted 🤣

[TSC]

Post Brexit trade deal with US is ‘years away’ admits the flip flop Truss.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/liz-truss-admits-uk-trade-deal-with-us-years-away-despite-brexit-promises/ar-AA121vB6

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1ba02602-38b3-11ed-84dd-c16384999350?shareToken=269a023aa277a7b0c0e0fdb3c6b147c2

[thaddeus]

Post Brexit trade deal with US is ‘years away’ admits the flip flop Truss.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/liz-truss-admits-uk-trade-deal-with-us-years-away-despite-brexit-promises/ar-AA121vB6

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1ba02602-38b3-11ed-84dd-c16384999350?shareToken=269a023aa277a7b0c0e0fdb3c6b147c2

"Years away" as in any negotiations won't even start whilst Biden is in the White House and the ERG run the Tory party.  The Tories are still tied in knots with Brexit and its impact on the Good Friday Agreement and the Biden administration have been very clear on how they see that.

Had Trump held onto power then I think by now we'd be despairing over the exploitative trade deal we'd signed up for.  We should be grateful for small mercies.

[TSC]

"Years away" as in any negotiations won't even start whilst Biden is in the White House and the ERG run the Tory party.  The Tories are still tied in knots with Brexit and its impact on the Good Friday Agreement and the Biden administration have been very clear on how they see that.

Had Trump held onto power then I think by now we'd be despairing over the exploitative trade deal we'd signed up for.  We should be grateful for small mercies.

Yep Johnson’s mob were banking on Trump in 2020 and hoping for him or similar in 2024 alongside obviously the Tories winning here in 24.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Fair enough out-pedanted 🤣

Yeah, I deserved that.

Oops. Typo. I meant to write:

"Actually, penny can relate to weight too - but of course we are not talking about that."

You should have pulled me up on it, then you would have won the pedantry showdown.

[Nobby Reserve]

Post Brexit trade deal with US is ‘years away’ admits the flip flop Truss.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/liz-truss-admits-uk-trade-deal-with-us-years-away-despite-brexit-promises/ar-AA121vB6

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1ba02602-38b3-11ed-84dd-c16384999350?shareToken=269a023aa277a7b0c0e0fdb3c6b147c2

She must know she's going to burn the NIP

[kavah]

At least when the UK rejoins the EU there won't be any reservations about adopting the Euro 

[Libertine]

At least when the UK rejoins the EU there won't be any reservations about adopting the Euro 

Should be at parity by then, so easy conversions.

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=GBP&view=1W

[Jiminy Cricket]

Is there much talk in the UK (yet) about Brexit (and all the other insane economic decisions which go along with it) being the cause of the UK's economic crisis?

[Nobby Reserve]

Is there much talk in the UK (yet) about Brexit (and all the other insane economic decisions which go along with it) being the cause of the UK's economic crisis?

Is there shite.

The BBC runs screaming from the notion, whilst the majority of the print media are owned by tax-dodging, right-wing arseholes who hate EU regulation

[Jiminy Cricket]

Is there shite.

The BBC runs screaming from the notion, whilst the majority of the print media are owned by tax-dodging, right-wing arseholes who hate EU regulation

What the fuck will it take for people and media to get a clue?

[Machae]

The Economist's analysis on Sterling's troubles: it's not just about Kwarteng's budget - it's about Brexit. BoA's "Britain as an emerging market" theme is going mainstream ...

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1574405596018839552?s=48&t=p8qMRViMWQQZeBx4XAlldQ

[Jiminy Cricket]

The Economist's analysis on Sterling's troubles: it's not just about Kwarteng's budget - it's about Brexit. BoA's "Britain as an emerging market" theme is going mainstream ...

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1574405596018839552?s=48&t=p8qMRViMWQQZeBx4XAlldQ

Thanks for posting that, Machae.

The Economist article is quite brief, really. But it does at least reference the issue.

Non-paywalled version:

https://archive.ph/1Wmx9

[Flaccido Dongingo]

"Years away" as in any negotiations won't even start whilst Biden is in the White House and the ERG run the Tory party.  The Tories are still tied in knots with Brexit and its impact on the Good Friday Agreement and the Biden administration have been very clear on how they see that.

Had Trump held onto power then I think by now we'd be despairing over the exploitative trade deal we'd signed up for.  We should be grateful for small mercies.

The Yanks aren't as keen on British cheese as Liz is then?

[Flaccido Dongingo]

The Economist's analysis on Sterling's troubles: it's not just about Kwarteng's budget - it's about Brexit. BoA's "Britain as an emerging market" theme is going mainstream ...

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1574405596018839552?s=48&t=p8qMRViMWQQZeBx4XAlldQ

I know the country is in the shit at the moment, but that's not reason enough to take that fruitcake Paul Mason seriously is it?

[Elmo!]

The Yanks aren't as keen on British cheese as Liz is then?

It's too much like actual cheese for the Yanks tastes.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I know the country is in the shit at the moment, but that's not reason enough to take that fruitcake Paul Mason seriously is it?

Well, Mason is referencing The Economist - and I liked to the actual article - so the proper question to ask yourself is: do you take The Economist seriously? I, for one, take The Economist more seriously than Paul Mason.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Well, Mason is referencing The Economist - and I liked to the actual article - so the proper question to ask yourself is: do you take The Economist seriously? I, for one, take The Economist more seriously than Paul Mason.

I really don't care who Mason references, the man is a c*nt.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I really don't care who Mason references, the man is a c*nt.

But what of The Economist article?* That's the important bit - not Mason's twitter account being used to reference the article.

* No matter - a rhetorical question.

[PaulF]

I thought we were talking about taking Paul merson seriously. Now that would be beyond the pale ale.

[Red Beret]

We won't be reversing decimalisation of our currency. The BoE has just spent six years phasing in the use of polymer bank notes, a process that is due to conclude on September 30th. They probably have billions of £s in notes stockpiled. They are in no mood to bin them all to start printing notes of identical value with C3's mug on them - so they certainly won't want to rejig the entire bloody currency from scratch to revert back to 240 pennies in the pound.

At the very least, such a switch over would cost an arm and a leg when the country is extremely short of financial limbs. The upheaval would be like joining the Euro without joining the Euro. Everton That. 

[TSC]

There’s so much crap going on with the latest cabal this one has sneaked out and gone under the radar somewhat

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/liz-truss-immigration-rules-relax-shortage-occupation-brexit-b1027904.html

[Flaccido Dongingo]

I thought we were talking about taking Paul merson seriously. Now that would be beyond the pale ale.

At this point listening to Paul Merson is infinitely better than Mason.

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

It's too much like actual cheese for the Yanks tastes.

umm. Parmigiano-Reggiano.

Gouda.
Gruyere.
Roquefort.
Feta.
Halloumi.
Ricotta.
Burrata.
Tulma.
Comte.
Edam.
Cotija.
Minas Frescal.
Cantal.


Stilton.

[Asam]

when the next general election happens starmer should get all the early votes and then at the last
minute announce his intention to rejoin the EU


all the disgruntled ex tories would’ve voted for him already, all the youngsters will actually get off their arse and vote

[kavah]

when the next general election happens starmer should get all the early votes and then at the last
minute announce his intention to rejoin the EU


all the disgruntled ex tories would’ve voted for him already, all the youngsters will actually get off their arse and vote

ha ha

great shout 

[PaulF]

Presumably the EU would have no problem with a state owned renewable energy company?  I believe France have nationalised EDF so can't see there being a problem.  Ah well 4 years on and something but blue passports seem still seem to be the only benefit.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Presumably the EU would have no problem with a state owned renewable energy company?  I believe France have nationalised EDF so can't see there being a problem.  Ah well 4 years on and something but blue passports seem still seem to be the only benefit.

Actually, burgundy passports are only advised, and Croatia has a blue one! So, even having a blue passport is not a benefit. Further:

https://futureu.europa.eu/processes/OtherIdeas/f/8/proposals/20758?component_id=8&locale=en&order=recent&participatory_process_slug=OtherIdeas&toggle_translations=true

 

[Lusty]

Presumably the EU would have no problem with a state owned renewable energy company? I believe France have nationalised EDF so can't see there being a problem.  Ah well 4 years on and something but blue passports seem still seem to be the only benefit.

I'd be interested in hearing a proper answer to that.  I think the purpose of the State Aid rules was to stop companies like Amazon shopping around EU countries looking for the biggest tax cuts to move their operations there, like they do across the US States.  I don't think it was ever intended to stop Nationalising utilities or infrastructure, and a quick look at all of the Nationalised railways in the EU seems to back that up.  It was one of the main arguments from the Lexiters though, and I think even Gove referred to it during his famous 'experts' speech when he was talking about the EU stopping us from nationalising Tata Steel (which he wouldn't have done anyway).