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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13440 on: May 31, 2022, 05:19:21 pm »
Sell if thereís a buyer and we can replace him.

Bellingham maybe ?
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13441 on: May 31, 2022, 05:34:53 pm »
Sell if thereís a buyer and we can replace him.

Bellingham maybe ?

Too small. We need someone at least as tall as Naby. Someone 6 foot 3 or over I think.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13442 on: May 31, 2022, 05:37:26 pm »
You say Keita has had a great season, my God Jack, you are very easily pleased. I can think of nearly all of our team, squad having great seasons including Henderson who I think has had his best overall. The Ox and Keita for me have been average spread over the whole season.
Football is a game of opinions and it doesn't mean I am right, if you think Keita has had a great season it is up to you.
I just want the very best for Liverpool and Keita for me is a 6 outa 10 player..

Heís had a fantastic season whether you measure his individual metrics or the team performance when heís played
Itís not a particularly marginal call either

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13443 on: May 31, 2022, 05:38:47 pm »
But itís only 1 year left on his contract if you canít reach an agreement on his contract extension.

If Keita wants to extend then the real Q is can you find a better player for the approximate value (fee + wages) of 40M + Keitaís next contract value.

If not then you should just extend Keita if possible. If Keita canít be extended then the Ď40M offer for a player with 1 year on his contractí comes into play

Yeah its a tough choice as we know he is good enough but again it comes down to the whether he'd sign a new deal.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13444 on: May 31, 2022, 06:38:04 pm »
Sell if thereís a buyer and we can replace him.

Bellingham maybe ?

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13445 on: May 31, 2022, 06:43:47 pm »
If Naby had lived up to the billing I don't think we'd have the need for a Tchouameni type of player which we do need. Naby should be that really.

Keita has done okay but he doesn't get in the first XI, he doesn't offer an awful lot defensively and offensively he's scored 11 goals in 4 seasons.

It became the same with Gini in his last season or two. He wasn't offering defensively or creatively, although he did have a specific role. Keita has become more of a fill in option when someone is injured or in need of a rest.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13446 on: May 31, 2022, 06:47:32 pm »
Being linked with move to PSG maybe pinch of salt job here but if they did bid £40m id take it.

Im not desperate to see him leave us but everyone has a price and £40m with one year left that is a good offer.
we need to be aware of the 5 subs in the PL next year ... the need for a strong and long bench has never been greater.  as well as being able to bring in experienced guys when necessary, we need to provide meaningful minutes for Elliott, Jones and Carvalho.

so for me - using Keita as an example - unless we know we can bring in an upgrade during the same window, we should hold on to him.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13447 on: May 31, 2022, 06:50:37 pm »
If Naby had lived up to the billing I don't think we'd have the need for a Tchouameni type of player which we do need. Naby should be that really.

Keita has done okay but he doesn't get in the first XI, he doesn't offer an awful lot defensively and offensively he's scored 11 goals in 4 seasons.

It became the same with Gini in his last season or two. He wasn't offering defensively or creatively, although he did have a specific role. Keita has become more of a fill in option when someone is injured or in need of a rest.
I agree with some of that. But every team needs the options that Keita offers. He just didn't leave to the expectations his price tag suggested. But if we take that out of the equation, he's now one of four midfielders that can be rotated without a major drop in quality of the play, which is very useful throughout a long season.

Having said that though, we don't have to try and replace Keita, but we should look for another top MF who could add a goal thread upfront. If Harvey turns out to be that player, then we have a solution, but I think he needs a year or two before he grows into that role.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13448 on: May 31, 2022, 07:58:28 pm »
If Naby had lived up to the billing I don't think we'd have the need for a Tchouameni type of player which we do need. Naby should be that really.

Keita has done okay but he doesn't get in the first XI, he doesn't offer an awful lot defensively and offensively he's scored 11 goals in 4 seasons.

It became the same with Gini in his last season or two. He wasn't offering defensively or creatively, although he did have a specific role. Keita has become more of a fill in option when someone is injured or in need of a rest.

Tchouameni is a defensive midfielder so we'd still need that type of player.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13449 on: May 31, 2022, 08:17:05 pm »
Can't believe PSG would pay that, given his contact situation

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13450 on: May 31, 2022, 08:21:55 pm »
Can't believe PSG would pay that, given his contact situation

Seems high but after the Mbappe roadshow anything is possible with this lot.

I mean they are paying Gini £300k a week to sit on the bench the idiots

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13451 on: May 31, 2022, 08:33:30 pm »
Can't believe PSG would pay that, given his contact situation

It's nonsense. You aren't paying big sums of money for a player who can leave in a year.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13452 on: May 31, 2022, 10:29:48 pm »
Sell if thereís a buyer and we can replace him.

Bellingham maybe ?
Would be really dumb to ditch Keita for Bellingham. Bellingham is half the player Keita was at Bundesliga. Not sure he is even better than Curtis Jones to be honest.
Those young English lads who impressed in Bundesliga all turn out to be not that good in the Premier League. See Nelson, Lookman, even Sancho.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13453 on: May 31, 2022, 10:35:44 pm »
Would be really dumb to ditch Keita for Bellingham. Bellingham is half the player Keita was at Bundesliga. Not sure he is even better than Curtis Jones to be honest.
Those young English lads who impressed in Bundesliga all turn out to be not that good in the Premier League. See Nelson, Lookman, even Sancho.

Your logic makes no sense. It doesn't matter what Keita done in Germany, it is what he's done for us. And we signed Keita *because* of what he done in Germany, which we would also likely do with Belligham.

Naby hasn't translated his form to us, and to suggest Bellingham wont (you are saying he hasn't reached Naby's heights but he's still only 18) is a premature at best. I'm not sure Curtis Jones is better although I still do see a big future for Curtis. Having them grow together wouldn't hurt, especially not if you add in Elliott and Carvalho.


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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13454 on: May 31, 2022, 10:55:48 pm »

Keita has done okay but he doesn't get in the first XI, he doesn't offer an awful lot defensively


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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13455 on: May 31, 2022, 10:57:15 pm »
Iím finally getting over the weekends footy so I thought I would do something fun, I donít think nabi is worth losing for free. heís not hit the heights I would have hoped and I think if we can get between £30-£40mil for him I would take it. In an ideal world and this is football manager on the pc thinking these are some of the moves I would make.

Outs
Keita £40mil
Mane £50mil (heís worth more than that, and I donít want him to go but we may have no choice) only if he doesnít extend his contract
Salah £100mil (I donít want him to go but I would hate to lose him on a free) only if he doesnít extend his contract
Ox £15mil
Phillips £15mil
Williams £15mil
Minamino £20mil

Thatís £255 plus you would like to think we have a healthy warchest already, this is just a bit of fun by the way so donít take it to serious.

Ins
Rice £100mil
Bellingham £80mil
Nunez £60mil
Anthony £40mil (Iím no expert on him but I was bored lol)

We'll be challenging for top 4, not the title with that amount of changes (not to mention inferior players).

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13456 on: May 31, 2022, 10:59:50 pm »
We'll be challenging for top 4, not the title with that amount of changes (not to mention inferior players).

Realistically only salah mane and keita would be major changes, I donít want to lose salah and mane but I would hate them to be able to sign for someone else on a pre contract for free in January which is a real possibility, especially after seeing the contract mbappe got after running his contract down.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13457 on: May 31, 2022, 11:00:59 pm »
Your logic makes no sense. It doesn't matter what Keita done in Germany, it is what he's done for us. And we signed Keita *because* of what he done in Germany, which we would also likely do with Belligham.

Naby hasn't translated his form to us, and to suggest Bellingham wont (you are saying he hasn't reached Naby's heights but he's still only 18) is a premature at best. I'm not sure Curtis Jones is better although I still do see a big future for Curtis. Having them grow together wouldn't hurt, especially not if you add in Elliott and Carvalho.
Yeah the problem is he'd probably cost 50-60 millions. Throwing that kind of money for a 18 year old so he can grow with us isn't a smart move, especially when you already have a player better than him.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13458 on: May 31, 2022, 11:07:08 pm »
Iím finally getting over the weekends footy so I thought I would do something fun, I donít think nabi is worth losing for free. heís not hit the heights I would have hoped and I think if we can get between £30-£40mil for him I would take it. In an ideal world and this is football manager on the pc thinking these are some of the moves I would make.

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Outs
Keita £40mil
Mane £50mil (heís worth more than that, and I donít want him to go but we may have no choice) only if he doesnít extend his contract
Salah £100mil (I donít want him to go but I would hate to lose him on a free) only if he doesnít extend his contract
Ox £15mil
Phillips £15mil
Williams £15mil
Minamino £20mil

Thatís £255 plus you would like to think we have a healthy warchest already, this is just a bit of fun by the way so donít take it to serious.

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Rice £100mil
Bellingham £80mil
Nunez £60mil
Anthony £40mil (Iím no expert on him but I was bored lol)
Yeah you're not getting 15m for Ox and 20m for Minamino I'm afraid.
Also not nearly 200m for Salah Keita and Mane who all have 1 year left in their contract.
Also blowing 180m on England's CM pair is like buying two Macguires for your CB pair.
This isn't even good business if you're playing FM.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13459 on: May 31, 2022, 11:14:23 pm »
Yeah you're not getting 15m for Ox and 20m for Minamino I'm afraid.
Also not nearly 200m for Salah Keita and Mane who all have 1 year left in their contract.
Also blowing 180m on England's CM pair is like buying two Macguires for your CB pair.
This isn't even good business if you're playing FM.

I disagree, Declan rice is absolute quality and is the perfect replacement for hendo, that would be that position sorted for the next 10 years, and Iíve seen nothing that would lead me to believe Bellingham will be the next Harry maguire.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13460 on: May 31, 2022, 11:43:39 pm »
What level of hell has this thread descended to....

Itís called a bit of light hearted fun after a shit week, is that ok

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13461 on: June 1, 2022, 12:01:28 am »
Itís called a bit of light hearted fun after a shit week, is that ok

Arguing about Declan Rice and Bellingham in the Naby Keita thread. One mans treasure is another mans trash so the saying goes.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13462 on: June 1, 2022, 01:46:12 am »
Yeah the problem is he'd probably cost 50-60 millions. Throwing that kind of money for a 18 year old so he can grow with us isn't a smart move, especially when you already have a player better than him.

Look, I think we should probably keep Naby. I wont cry if he goes, but I'd rather keep him. I just think if you get Bellingham or someone like him, Naby becomes more flexible (given his injury record too that helps) and you have younger potential players like Jones, Elliott and Carvalho. Plus a couple of older stalwarts, so you tick a lot of boxes.


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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13463 on: June 1, 2022, 08:09:33 am »
Itís called a bit of light hearted fun after a shit week, is that ok

If you could go to the transfer thread on the general football and sport board thatíd be where to do the light hearted fun. :)

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13464 on: June 1, 2022, 08:37:19 am »
If Naby had lived up to the billing I don't think we'd have the need for a Tchouameni type of player which we do need. Naby should be that really.

Keita has done okay but he doesn't get in the first XI, he doesn't offer an awful lot defensively and offensively he's scored 11 goals in 4 seasons.

It became the same with Gini in his last season or two. He wasn't offering defensively or creatively, although he did have a specific role. Keita has become more of a fill in option when someone is injured or in need of a rest.

You can say he doesn't offer a lot offensively but Keita pressing and defensive actions are off the charts good.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13465 on: June 1, 2022, 12:32:20 pm »
Pearce saying we want to offer him an extension. 

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https://theathletic.com/3342618/2022/06/01/liverpool-transfers-salah-premier-league/

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13466 on: June 1, 2022, 12:33:48 pm »
Which is the right thing to do.
Never going to be what we imagined early on - but he's setlled and valuable to have around.
Also who the hell knows, may just pop with an amazing season or three out of the blue.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13467 on: June 1, 2022, 01:34:33 pm »
Pearce saying we want to offer him an extension. 

https://theathletic.com/3342618/2022/06/01/liverpool-transfers-salah-premier-league/

One in the eye for the people that want rid. Keita has been good this season and if they can't see that then that's their problem, not Keita's.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13468 on: June 1, 2022, 01:54:27 pm »
As Klopp said recently, he's in the best shape of his life, coming into his prime years now too. We'd be silly to let him go when he's finally becoming robust enough for the Premier League.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13469 on: June 1, 2022, 07:17:26 pm »
Keita is a very good player, some could successfully argue (with stats) an excellent squad player.

Some players are burdened by their price tag, others by their reputations, but Naby Keita is the first player (in Liverpool) who will forever be haunted by his pre-signing YouTube highlight clips package. :)

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13470 on: June 6, 2022, 05:30:08 pm »
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13471 on: June 6, 2022, 05:38:44 pm »


Great news if so - can't see that Tweet though. Is there a link?

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13472 on: June 6, 2022, 05:39:13 pm »


Mixed feelings on this oneÖ

On the plus side we get more seasons of a top class midfielder at the club

On the minus side we get more seasons of having to battle bile and ignorance in the RAWK player thread

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« Reply #13473 on: June 6, 2022, 05:41:10 pm »
Great news, hopefully it'll be announced soon.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13475 on: June 6, 2022, 05:49:52 pm »
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/james-milner-agrees-one-year-contract-extension-with-liverpool-pnpg92vm7

It's here with the Milner news.

Ah, thanks - had assumed it was a Tweet of its own!

Think this is an important deal for continuity, particularly when you consider the ages of the four regular midfielders. Having demonstrated fitness, availability, and consistency (criticisms levelled at him during the early part of his time with us), the next challenge to him might be to push on and develop into one of the leaders in the squad.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13476 on: June 6, 2022, 05:54:54 pm »
13.4% of Guineans do not like this. No song, no renew!

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13477 on: June 6, 2022, 07:33:28 pm »
13.4% of Guineans do not like this. No song, no renew!

He gets subbed off even more than Manť too. His YouTube comments must be even worse than this thread.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13478 on: June 6, 2022, 08:06:08 pm »


good.

Was ready for the club to move on from him last summer, but after all the positives from the season he had, losing him now would be rubbish, especially with Mane leaving, donít need even more upheaval!

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #13479 on: June 6, 2022, 08:47:56 pm »
At least the Nigerians can focus their attention on one player
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