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Re: Those chants
« Reply #640 on: January 25, 2023, 09:54:10 pm »
What a joke this is. Can't sing "Rentboys" and fair enough that's not great, but can get away with singing all sorts of other offensive shite.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #641 on: January 25, 2023, 09:59:46 pm »
What a joke this is. Can't sing "Rentboys" and fair enough that's not great, but can get away with singing all sorts of other offensive shite.

It's beyond a joke now, for years we've suffered all kind of stuff that is heartbreaking to many of us and fuck all has ever been done. It barely gets a mention, we have to sit back, endure it home and away, live on the fuckin telly, social media, no escape from it. Nobody is arsed, it's sickening.


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Re: Those chants
« Reply #642 on: January 25, 2023, 11:18:55 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64404426

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A man has been arrested for allegedly assaulting former health secretary Matt Hancock on the London Underground.

Police said the 61-year-old was arrested on suspicion of common assault and a public order offence.

Footage posted online showed a man shouting and following Mr Hancock through Westminster station and onto a train.

Mr Hancock is not thought to have been hurt in the incident - described by his spokesman as an "unpleasant encounter".

I haven't seen this footage.

From this article, it suggests someone has been arrested for saying some not nice things about Matt Hancock.

If there's nothing more to it than a few insults, why can't the c*nts that sing about Hillsborough be arrested for the same reasons?
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #643 on: January 26, 2023, 09:15:34 am »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64404426

I haven't seen this footage.

From this article, it suggests someone has been arrested for saying some not nice things about Matt Hancock.

If there's nothing more to it than a few insults, why can't the c*nts that sing about Hillsborough be arrested for the same reasons?

Absolutely.  After all, the FA only updated their guidance this month after someone was prosecuted for the CRB chant.  Maybe they should be compelled to explain why they don't consider Hillborough chants worthy of sanction?
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #644 on: January 26, 2023, 11:02:47 am »
When will Spurs fans start getting arrested for Yid Army ?
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #645 on: January 26, 2023, 11:21:07 am »
When will Spurs fans start getting arrested for Yid Army ?

That's a very fair point, they chanted it non-stop vs Fulham and I'm pretty sure the FA said they'd be punishing fans for doing so (even if they were Spurs fans) about 10 years ago.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #646 on: January 26, 2023, 11:40:09 am »
Surely the problem is the law, and that needs changing.  You can't ask the police to remove away fans for doing something that doesn't break the law.  It needs to be highlighted as an issue first, it needs to be on a par with the rent boys chant, and then the police can act.

This is correct. However, Anfield is private property. Liverpool Football Club can make access conditional to various terms and conditions (these apply whenever a person buys a football ticket, irrespective of whether they do that through their own club or not). There are many acts which are generally considered lawful to do which you cannot do on private property, for reasons of the commercial arrangement between the customer and the business, which would terminate your right of access to that private property. For example talking loudly and persistently in a cinema. Simply make singing these songs a breach of contract which voids their ticket and throw them out for trespassing and restrict their right to purchase tickets in future. Make this term sufficiently clear at the point of purchase to avoid any issues relating to unfair terms.

The only limitation to this is the rules that the FA have on making tickets available to away teams, so it would have to be cleared with them. (However, please not these restrictions are not legal restrictions - merely FA's own internal governance). However, I'm not convinced that the FA would be willing to take the bad press of refusing this request if it were made publicly. At the very least Liverpool should try this route.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #647 on: January 26, 2023, 03:10:36 pm »
Notwithstanding possession of any ticket the Club, any police officer or authorised steward may refuse entry to (or eject from) the Ground any person:

     1.1 that fails (or in the Club's reasonable opinion is likely to fail) to comply with these Ground Regulations and/or the Discrimination Commitment and/or the Supporter Code of Conduct and/or any reasonable instruction issued by a police officer or authorised steward or officer of the Club; and/or

     1.2 whose presence within the Ground is, or could (in the Club's reasonable opinion), constitute a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person.

Our Ground Regulations.

Perhaps we could start here with the club. Enforce your own regulations.

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #648 on: January 26, 2023, 03:13:26 pm »


     1.2 whose presence within the Ground is, or could (in the Club's reasonable opinion), constitute a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person.


Christ, that's suitably vague, I'd be kicking out most of the annoying knobheads around me most weeks with that description ;D
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #649 on: January 31, 2023, 02:10:50 pm »
In case you've not seen this quote by Martin Hewitt, the chair of the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) in David Conn's Guardian article today which I've posted in the * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates * Forum thread:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/31/police-chiefs-apologise-for-hillsborough-failures?CMP=share_btn_tw


Hewitt also condemned the toxic chants about the disaster directed at Liverpool supporters by some rival fans at recent matches, which have caused deep offence to families and survivors.

“It’s disgusting and action needs to be taken [by match police and stewards] to stop people doing that,” he said.


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Re: Those chants
« Reply #650 on: January 31, 2023, 04:57:29 pm »
This could be something of a momentum moment that's been previously missing. LFC should issue a statement, in my view (unless they already have and I just haven't seen it yet.......)
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #651 on: January 31, 2023, 05:13:40 pm »
This could be something of a momentum moment that's been previously missing. LFC should issue a statement, in my view (unless they already have and I just haven't seen it yet.......)

Yet the FA has been quoted as saying there is nothing they can do about it as it's not protected in law. Another lie, hey.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #652 on: January 31, 2023, 05:20:15 pm »
Yet the FA has been quoted as saying there is nothing they can do about it as it's not protected in law. Another lie, hey.
Don't fuckin start me on the FA........

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Re: Those chants
« Reply #653 on: January 31, 2023, 06:33:18 pm »
[re deleted post by JGLFC]

No. This isn't the thread to propose random chants - it's to discuss the increasing phenomenon of toxic ones that cause distress to various groups - including our own supporters who are survivors, victims' family members and friends, campaigners and anyone else pissed off at the apparent inconsistency of increasingly vile behaviour. So, no.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #654 on: Yesterday at 09:08:03 am »
Went to Chorley v Southport on Saturday for a bit of non-league groundhopping. I usually 'support' the home team when I do that, get a bit of local flavour. I'd been to Southport v Curzon Ashton a few weeks ago and had a great time at their ground.

I didn't realise it was such a rivalry - drinks confined to the bar, moderate police presence, segregated ground, all of which is unusual at non-league.

The home fans were giving it "you Scouse bastards" for much of the game, but during the second half (presumably after 2 sunk HT pints) "Always the victims" starts up from the main singing section of the home end, made up by-and-large of kids and people in their 20s.

I was delighted when Southport came back from 1-0 down to win 2-1.
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Re: Those chants
« Reply #655 on: Yesterday at 09:15:45 am »
Went to Chorley v Southport on Saturday for a bit of non-league groundhopping. I usually 'support' the home team when I do that, get a bit of local flavour. I'd been to Southport v Curzon Ashton a few weeks ago and had a great time at their ground.

I didn't realise it was such a rivalry - drinks confined to the bar, moderate police presence, segregated ground, all of which is unusual at non-league.

The home fans were giving it "you Scouse bastards" for much of the game, but during the second half (presumably after 2 sunk HT pints) "Always the victims" starts up from the main singing section of the home end, made up by-and-large of kids and people in their 20s.

I was delighted when Southport came back from 1-0 down to win 2-1.

Having spent 30ish years in Chorley they're proper bad wannabe mancs mate.

It does not surprise me in the slightest.