Topic: Youth and Under 23 Thread

[terry_macss_perm]

Highlights from the Man U site of yesterday’s game.

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/liverpool-under-18s-v-man-utd-under-18s-short-match-highlights-27-august-2022

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Bench for the League Cup maybe?

The team for that League Cup game in November should be interesting. It's against the quality of opposition we've rotated heavily for in the past and I think a few young players will get a go of it. Bajcetic and Clark are currently with the first team squad due to injuries but I wouldn't be surprised if both got minutes there.

Doak has had a great start but I think it's a bit too early to include him. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple who featured in the cups last season played, Gordon if he's back fit, and Frauendorf came on in one of the games too, maybe him.

[terry_macss_perm]

The team for that League Cup game in November should be interesting. It's against the quality of opposition we've rotated heavily for in the past and I think a few young players will get a go of it. Bajcetic and Clark are currently with the first team squad due to injuries but I wouldn't be surprised if both got minutes there.

Doak has had a great start but I think it's a bit too early to include him. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple who featured in the cups last season played, Gordon if he's back fit, and Frauendorf came on in one of the games too, maybe him.

Possibly but he’s played first team football in Scotland so not totally wet behind the ears.

[Boston always unofficial]

Highlights from the Man U site of yesterday’s game.

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/liverpool-under-18s-v-man-utd-under-18s-short-match-highlights-27-august-2022

Cheers.Bit sad that united have the highlights up before us and not behind a premium wall.Anyone know if Issac Mabaya picked up an injury? Not involved anywhere this weekend.

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Possibly but he’s played first team football in Scotland so not totally wet behind the ears.

That is true, and I suppose against lower league opposition there's a little chance. Elliot made appearances for us at 16 too.

[MNAA]

Cheers.Bit sad that united have the highlights up before us and not behind a premium wall.Anyone know if Issac Mabaya picked up an injury? Not involved anywhere this weekend.

He was training with the first team for the Bournemouth game

[Oskar]

Owen Beck is coming back from his loan in Portugal according to a journalist at the Echo. He’ll be loaned straight back out to an English side, Bolton are favourites. Hopefully he hits the ground running there like Conor Bradley has and gets regular football.

[newterp]

Owen Beck is coming back from his loan in Portugal according to a journalist at the Echo. He’ll be loaned straight back out to an English side, Bolton are favourites. Hopefully he hits the ground running there like Conor Bradley has and gets regular football.

What happened? Falling out? Refusal to play him etc?

[67CherryRed]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

[RyanBabel19]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

Not really, you cant predict what a club is going to do with a loanee. It doesn't have to be someone at the clubs fault

[Fromola]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

Too random a loan that, trying to be too clever really. Unless you've got a Vitesse Arnhem type link up (also less of a cultural difference) it's going to be difficult to get games for a young lad like like that. Nor will he be able to speak the language over there, so will be difficult to settle in the country/dressing room.

Should have just gone to the EFL in the first place with Bradley and Bazagli.

[So… Howard Philips]

Too random a loan that, trying to be too clever really. Unless you've got a Vitesse Arnhem type link up (also less of a cultural difference) it's going to be difficult to get games for a young lad like like that. Nor will he be able to speak the language over there, so will be difficult to settle in the country/dressing room.

Should have just gone to the EFL in the first place with Bradley and Bazagli.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea trying loans in European leagues though. This one hasn’t worked out but giving players a chance to experience different styles of football.

[El Lobo]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

Too random a loan that, trying to be too clever really. Unless you've got a Vitesse Arnhem type link up (also less of a cultural difference) it's going to be difficult to get games for a young lad like like that. Nor will he be able to speak the language over there, so will be difficult to settle in the country/dressing room.

Should have just gone to the EFL in the first place with Bradley and Bazagli.

There's no guarantee with loan deals, regardless. We sent Harvey to Blackburn and he had a tremendous spell. We did the same with Leighton Clarkson and he didn't get a kick, and is now already tearing it up at Aberdeen. Thats sort of one of the benefits of a loan, if it doesn't work out you can pretty much always recall them without too much fuss. In this case I imagine we felt it'd be good for him to test himself in a new environment in a good league, and its pretty quickly become clear that its unlikely to work as any of us wanted. And may also be the case that we've seen how well Connor Bradley is doing at Bolton and think that's actually a better place for him. To talk about 'trying to be too clever' or 'someone has royally fucked up' is laughable.

[Fromola]

There's no guarantee with loan deals, regardless. We sent Harvey to Blackburn and he had a tremendous spell. We did the same with Leighton Clarkson and he didn't get a kick, and is now already tearing it up at Aberdeen. Thats sort of one of the benefits of a loan, if it doesn't work out you can pretty much always recall them without too much fuss. In this case I imagine we felt it'd be good for him to test himself in a new environment in a good league, and its pretty quickly become clear that its unlikely to work as any of us wanted. And may also be the case that we've seen how well Connor Bradley is doing at Bolton and think that's actually a better place for him. To talk about 'trying to be too clever' or 'someone has royally fucked up' is laughable.

Loans are always going to be hit and miss but sending a young lad from the north west to Portugal is a big culture difference, when he was more likely to get a game and settle in League One somewhere (with team mates and staff he can properly communicate with). He's 20 now so needs games.

[El Lobo]

Loans are always going to be hit and miss but sending a young lad from the north west to Portugal is a big culture difference, when he was more likely to get a game and settle in League One somewhere (with team mates and staff he can properly communicate with). He's 20 now so needs games.

What do you think happened? We got a phone call in broken English and it was actually a bar in Famalicão trying to order some Becks? And we just chucked him on a plane and wished him luck for the season, when all they wanted was a few crates of horrible beer? We obviously had a conversation with them about how he'd be used, with him about whether he was happy going abroad, and for whatever reason its just not worked out. Thats not really on anyone, its just obviously worse a for a kid being on his own in Portugal as opposed to not getting a game at Blackburn and being able to go home and see his mates every day. So makes sense to bring him home. Its not some grand awful statement that the club has fucked up. Its just heaven forbid a loan that didn't really work out.

[Fromola]

What do you think happened? We got a phone call in broken English and it was actually a bar in Famalicão trying to order some Becks? And we just chucked him on a plane and wished him luck for the season, when all they wanted was a few crates of horrible beer? We obviously had a conversation with them about how he'd be used, with him about whether he was happy going abroad, and for whatever reason its just not worked out. Thats not really on anyone, its just obviously worse a for a kid being on his own in Portugal as opposed to not getting a game at Blackburn and being able to go home and see his mates every day. So makes sense to bring him home. Its not some grand awful statement that the club has fucked up. Its just heaven forbid a loan that didn't really work out.

It's no big deal, just that it was less likely to work out than a loan to a club here, in a year (at 20) where he needs to play. Seemed an odd one at the time.

[El Lobo]

It's no big deal, just that it was less likely to work out than a loan to a club here, in a year (at 20) where he needs to play. Seemed an odd one at the time.

So odd that even you, Fromola, didn't comment on what a disaster it could be? Actually at the time it seemed most thought it was a surprisingly good move to a consistent top flight team in a good European league. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need explaining to you that a loan spell playing regularly in the Portuguese PL is likely to be more beneficial to a youngster than a season in League One. Unfortunately you can't do a trial for a loan really. But again quite why you think we were 'trying to be too clever' lord only knows.

[So… Howard Philips]

So odd that even you, Fromola, didn't comment on what a disaster it could be? Actually at the time it seemed most thought it was a surprisingly good move to a consistent top flight team in a good European league. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need explaining to you that a loan spell playing regularly in the Portuguese PL is likely to be more beneficial to a youngster than a season in League One. Unfortunately you can't do a trial for a loan really. But again quite why you think we were 'trying to be too clever' lord only knows.

Considering Pep Ljinders was a coach at Porto for 8 years it doesn’t stretch credulity too much to think that a loan to a Portuguese team may not be a bad idea.

[El Lobo]

Considering Pep Ljinders was a coach at Porto for 8 years it doesn’t stretch credulity too much to think that a loan to a Portuguese team may not be a bad idea.

Aye, might be something we do more considering it seems to be one of our main areas we look at players at the moment too. Shame this one hasn't worked out but I'm sure it won't put us off.

[Knight]

Elliot is so good that his loan was always going to work out. You'd have to have been mad not to play him. He came back from the loan and was immediately starting games in the PL for us and without many injuries in midfield too boot. When it comes to mere mortals though, yes they're going to be hit and miss.

[Redsnappa]

This is on the BBC today. Must admit I'd not heard of him when he was with us, but nice to see the feller getting on with his life after some hard knocks.

Dahrius Waldron's his name, was in the Academy with Ryan Kent & Harry Wilson.

That's him, 3rd from left in the front row:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62650884

[fredfrop]

Owen Beck has now gone on loan to Bolton. All the best to the lad.

[Ghost Town]

What happened? Falling out? Refusal to play him etc?

He thought it was like living in a foreign country

[Fordy]

Paul Glatzel  has gone back to Tranmere on loan for the season.

[Redsnappa]

Paul Glatzel  has gone back to Tranmere on loan for the season.

Thanks mate. Fingers crossed for an injury-free season for him.

[xbugawugax]

any rumors of morton returning

or does he continue his development at blackburn

our transfers seems haphazard this season and morton as back up might pick up some minutes considering the state of our "robust" midfielders

[terry_macss_perm]

Max Woltman loan move to Doncaster.

[terry_macss_perm]

Fidel O’Rourke loan to Caernarfon Town.

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Napoli U19 v Liverpool U19 1pm Wednesday BT Sport

[dakid]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

[Coolie High]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

Very surprised, wouldn’t be surprised if he had a fall out with the coaching staff or even Ingelthorpe, who by more than one account isn’t a stranger to playing politics at the detriment of some youth players.

[So… Howard Philips]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

See Kaide Gordon is on the list.

Is he back from injury?

[Gerry Attrick]

Very surprised, wouldn’t be surprised if he had a fall out with the coaching staff or even Ingelthorpe, who by more than one account isn’t a stranger to playing politics at the detriment of some youth players.

Don’t think Musialowski will make it here. He’s nowhere near strong enough and fades out of games wat too easily. Shame as he’s got nice technique.

[Wullie160975]

Didn't Woltman go to Doncaster or is it a youth loan that still allows him to play for us?

[El Lobo]

Very surprised, wouldn’t be surprised if he had a fall out with the coaching staff or even Ingelthorpe, who by more than one account isn’t a stranger to playing politics at the detriment of some youth players.

 

Or you know....Musialowski isn't particularly good?

[RyanBabel19]

So a month into the season and Conor Bradley has 6 goal contributions. Bolton fans seem to love him already.

I think he's a class young player and you could see it as soon as he got a chance with us. Reckon the kid could go far

[Boston always unofficial]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

Injured? went off after an hour against Brighton u-21.Anyway doesn't matter to much about the squad.
 

After the first matchday, the list of 40 players may be amended at any time up until seven days before a match. Any new players must be registered in accordance with the requirements set out in Article 35 and Paragraph 35.02.

from UEFA site.

[anfieldpurch]

Napoli U19 v Liverpool U19 1pm Wednesday BT Sport

Is this being played anywhere that fans already in Naples can watch?

[Boaty McBoatface]

Didn't know where to put this so thought the youth thread will do. Bobby Duncan and his former agent Saif Rubie are arguing over who's to blame for fucking up his Liverpool career. Rubie was on the radio earlier stating he told Duncan to stay with us. Bobby has posted on twitter refuting this saying he had no say in the matter. Now I don't think Duncan is completely blameless in this, but one was a young adult, the other was a fully grown man. It just goes to show that you need the right people around you to succeed in any walk of life and vultures like Rubie need getting shot of.

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So many football agents really are vermin