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The Tory party thread... epic fail lol
« on: June 30, 2016, 10:55:47 am »
Seemed worth its own thread.

Which person is the most awful?

May the early favourite it seems, but it's very early days.

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“Happiness can be found in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light.”
“Generosity always pays off. Generosity in your effort, in your work, in your kindness, in the way you look after people and take care of people. In the long run, if you are generous with a heart, and with humanity, it always pays off.”
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 10:57:33 am »
Gove is the one I hope we avoid at all costs. The rest are wankers too.

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 10:58:19 am »
Gove is the one I hope we avoid at all costs. The rest are wankers too.
I think he's the best of the lot.... Doesn't say much really does it?  I will expand on my reading later.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 10:58:20 am »
Is Gove still involved with Dominic Cummings? That would make him most awful by a long way.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 11:00:15 am »
Anybody but Gove or Liam Fox.

Johnson isnt that bad. By not that bad I mean having to eat rotton meat instead of a plate of shite.

May, probably quite more competent but no way as liberal as Johnson.

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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 11:01:40 am »
I think he's the best of the lot.... Doesn't say much really does it?  I will expand on my reading later.

Can't agree, he'll have article 50 invoked in no time at all.

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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 11:02:40 am »
Christ,  Murdoch has backed gove.  That's quite the backing ....  Kiss of death?

Makes you think that the "leaked" email was a total set up doesn't it?
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 11:03:24 am »
Can't agree, he'll have article 50 invoked in no time at all.
1. I don't agree

2. The others will all commit to signing it.  They have to.   Doesn't mean they will
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 11:03:41 am »
Christ,  Murdoch has backed gove.  That's quite the backing ....  Kiss of death?

Makes you think that the "leaked" email was a total set up doesn't it?

3 days ago Murdoch backed Gove.

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 11:04:30 am »
Can we not just get Bourne or Bond to fucking kill some of these lot.

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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 11:06:07 am »
Can we not just get Bourne or Bond to fucking kill some of these lot.
;D

Crabb is obnoxious, Grayling supports May... It's all too awful.

I'm after the most socially liberal one of the lot...
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 11:11:09 am »
I'm after the most socially liberal one of the lot...

First instinct - hope for the most unelectable.
Second instinct - what if they get elected?
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 11:12:33 am »
This seems more suited to here than the other thread.


The only thing which constitutes  'FACT' as distinct from opinion is that not being part of the EU under a Tory as distinct from Labour government spells certain misery for already deprived areas of this country and for fringe cultural enterprises or the like because if those areas and enterprises think there is any way on god's earth that EU funding hitherto earmarked for those areas or those enterprises will be replaced by a Tory government then they had better wake up to reality. No fucking way.

Ha ha - a few hours after saying this I've just watched Theresa May delivering a seemingly more sincerely impassioned commitment to nationwide social inclusion and justice than any Labour big hitter has done in fucking years.

Amazing times.

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 11:13:03 am »
;D

Crabb is obnoxious, Grayling supports May... It's all too awful.

I'm after the most socially liberal one of the lot...

Thats Johnson.

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2016, 11:14:50 am »
I know nothing of May bar her input into the Hillsborough inquests, which does nothing but paint her in a favourable light.

Can someone explain to me why she's probably just another Tory twat? Thanks :)
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2016, 11:15:42 am »
Thats Johnson.
Only in that he doesn't care what the peasants get upto in the squalor of their own hovels.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2016, 11:17:01 am »
I know nothing of May bar her input into the Hillsborough inquests, which does nothing but paint her in a favourable light.

Can someone explain to me why she's probably just another Tory twat? Thanks :)

She held a long belief against adopting if you were gay, although she says she has reversed that view and her pressure on finance against non-eu migrants have been very difficult. Plus she wanted to get rid of ECHR rules.

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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2016, 11:17:14 am »
I know nothing of May bar her input into the Hillsborough inquests, which does nothing but paint her in a favourable light.

Can someone explain to me why she's probably just another Tory twat? Thanks :)

Me neither - but there's no way the speech she just gave was delivered by anyone other than a committed Socialist. Go fucking figure. Cos i fucking can't. And no way was she bullshitting. That woman meant every word she said. I'm as confused as fuck over this.

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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2016, 11:17:42 am »
More scary times ahead, but the for me the worst (and apologies for repost fromEU thread) is...


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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2016, 11:17:49 am »
Only in that he doesn't care what the peasants get upto in the squalor of their own hovels.

Yep. Like I said between the 3 its a case of being forced to eat rotton meat rather than shite.


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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2016, 11:18:50 am »
I know nothing of May bar her input into the Hillsborough inquests, which does nothing but paint her in a favourable light.

Can someone explain to me why she's probably just another Tory twat? Thanks :)
She has some hard right views (don't they all), but probably has the most integrity of the candidates. If I had to choose to spend 5 years living under a government led by one of them, it would likely be her.
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2016, 11:19:34 am »
Yep. Like I said between the 3 its a case of being forced to eat rotton meat rather than shite.



You not watch May's address then?

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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2016, 11:20:11 am »
Me neither - but there's no way the speech she just gave was delivered by anyone other than a committed Socialist. Go fucking figure. Cos i fucking can't. And no way was she bullshitting. That woman meant every word she said. I'm as confused as fuck over this.
I think she's the closest they still have to a 'one nation' Tory.
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2016, 11:20:23 am »
The problem Gove will have is if Johnson pulls out of the race, because the liklihood is that all the members will pile onto supporting May. Johnson is popular with the members and if this causes him to pull out then they will see Gove as the one who stabbed him in the back.

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2016, 11:21:34 am »
She has some hard right views (don't they all), but probably has the most integrity of the candidates. If I had to choose to spend 5 years living under a government led by one of them, it would likely be her.

Enlighten me please cos she didn't come across in that vein one bit and considering she's addressing fellow Blue rinses in the first instance I'd have thought she'd at least have angled just a bit in that direction.

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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2016, 11:22:05 am »
You not watch May's address then?

She was great with Hillsborough but her stance on ECHR, gay adoption.

She is easily the most competent though, far more than Boris, although not as liberal. She isn't as evil as Gove.

What I am saying basically is either Johnson or May, not Gove.

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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2016, 11:22:53 am »
I think she's the closest they still have to a 'one nation' Tory.

First time ever a Tory political speech has ever impressed me with its sincerity.

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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2016, 11:23:23 am »
It's hard pick one, without something about them that makes you go ewww. What a fucking shower.

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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2016, 11:23:52 am »
Plus she wanted to get rid of ECHR rules.

I may be mistaken but I'm sure she stated the opposite to this.

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2016, 11:24:57 am »
I may be mistaken but I'm sure she stated the opposite to this.

Says she will no longer pursue it
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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2016, 11:25:01 am »
I may be mistaken but I'm sure she stated the opposite to this.

Yeah she has changed her views now because other MP's said it wasn't a wise choice.

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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2016, 11:25:04 am »
Ain't none of them Barack Obama.

Think Johnson is in real trouble now - and fully deserves it for swapping principles and policies at will in pursuit of his own personal advancement.

Gove - even by Tory standards, that's some remarkable back-stabbing. Repeatedly stating he has no interest in the job and now changed his mind when Boris wouldn't guarantee him a plush job.

May seems to be the best of a bad lot for me. Although all of them are still selling a lie in thinking they can have membership of the single market without freedom of movement.

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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2016, 11:26:05 am »
Enlighten me please cos she didn't come across in that vein one bit and considering she's addressing fellow Blue rinses in the first instance I'd have thought she'd at least have angled just a bit in that direction.
I don't remeber the subject, but she stood upto to a rabid Tory party conference one year with an unpopular 'liberal' policy.

She's against the Human Rights convention. Would like to deport lots of people. Though in retrospect, that's not so extreme these days. But she's also said there's no parliamentary will to repeal it, so she wouldn't pursue. As I said, she has more integrity than most of them.

Not listened to her speech yet.
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2016, 11:26:28 am »
This shite makes you wish Cameron gets another term. But then you remember his decision got us into this mess so fuck off.

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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2016, 11:26:48 am »
Can we not just get Bourne or Bond to fucking kill some of these lot.

Sadly Bond is in the middle of his own leadership election after Daniel Craig said he was cheesed off with it...
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2016, 11:27:08 am »
1. I don't agree

2. The others will all commit to signing it.  They have to.   Doesn't mean they will
According to one legal source, Invoking article 50 can only be taken by a vote from our government.
Even if Cameron went over and invoked it today and the EU accepted this, it would be made null and void when challenged as it is wrote into EU law.

Whether these words are open to interpretation is the problem
Just hope this is true as I assume the majority of MPs are for stay.
I imagine even the leave MPs are now going to get a lot of heat from there stay constituents now.
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2016, 11:28:11 am »
Has Jeremy C*nt-rhymes-with thrown his hat in the ring?
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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2016, 11:28:51 am »
Anyone other than Theresa May, and we'll be in the shit.



I'm after the most socially liberal one of the lot...

Who is most liberal – May or Johnson?

Immigration
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Self-confessed “pro-immigration” politician who has not been afraid to celebrate new arrivals’ contributions to the UK. On Monday he denied that the leave victory was driven by anxieties about immigration. He has repeatedly called for an amnesty for those who have been in Britain for more than 12 years.

Johnson wants an Australian-style points-based system but has yet to spell out how that would work. Immediately after Theresa May’s hardline Tory party conference speech last October, Johnson criticised politicians who made immigrants “scapegoats” blaming them for “everything that has gone wrong in society”. But in his campaign he stressed that “uncontrolled EU” immigration was driving down wages and putting pressure on schools and hospitals.

Theresa May
The home secretary said that the benefits of mass migration were “close to zero”. She said immigration could not be reduced and that current levels had an unsustainable impact on housing, schools and hospitals. She recast David Cameron’s target of reducing net migration to below 100,000 to the status of an “ambition” in the face of the near-record latest figure of 333,000. Initially, the government was on track to hit the target by reducing net migration from 250,000 to 180,000, but Britain’s relative prosperity as the “jobs factory of Europe” put paid to that.

Policing
Johnson
Johnson made little attempt to reform the Metropolitan police. At the end of his period in office, Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary rated the Met as “requiring improvement (substandard)” while West Midlands and Greater Manchester were rated as good.

His time as London mayor was also marked by his purchase of three German 25-year-old Wasserwerfer 2000 water cannon – which have lain unused for two years after May refused to authorise them; she said they had no fewer than 67 faults that needed rectifying before use and that they had potential to cause serious injury.

May
She oversaw the most fundamental reforms of policing for 50 years. The official crime rate has continued to fall on her watch as the longest-serving home secretary for 100 years. She has not been afraid to confront the police over stop and search, or such historic injustices as Hillsborough; she introduced elected police and crime commissioners, curbed the power of the Police Federation and pushed through 20% cuts to Whitehall police grants.

Security and civil liberties
Johnson
In the immediate aftermath of the 2015 Paris attacks when May wanted to resurrect the “snooper’s charter” he said: “I’m not particularly interested in this civil liberties stuff when it comes to these people’s emails and mobile phone conversations. If they are a threat to our society then I want them properly listened to.”

May
Responding to the disclosure by Edward Snowden of GCHQ’s mass digital surveillance programmes, she said the whistleblower had damaged national security. She introduced the investigatory powers bill to extend snooping powers to web browsing records and strengthened oversight of security agencies. She scrapped Labour’s plans for ID cards but presided over massive expansion of the database state.

May has set as a high priority the issues of violence against women, including failures to investigate rape, and modern slavery. She set up the Goddard inquiry into institutional child sex abuse and the successful inquiry into undercover policing. The scandal around the Stephen Lawrence inquiry was also tackled. She has shown she is prepared to stand up to even the most entrenched vested interest.

Human rights
Johnson
A staunch defender of the European convention on human rights, he has said: “Let’s keep it. It’s a fine thing. We wrote it.” But he railed against the European court of justice in Luxembourg. He has described extricating Britain from the ECJ’s “vast and growing corpus of law” as being a big benefit of Brexit allowing the UK to pass its own laws and set its own taxes.

May
The strongest supporter in the cabinet for withdrawing from the European convention on human rights, and the jurisdiction of its Strasbourg base. She has blamed the Strasbourg judges for frustrating her attempts to increase deportations from Britain.

Part of her opposition stems from her humiliating decade-long battle to deport the radical preacher Abu Qatada; when she finally succeeded in sending him back to Jordan she practically put him on the plane herself. But in the process she did secure guarantees that torture-tainted evidence would not be used against him.

Negotiating in Europe
Johnson
He is notorious for spending his time, as the Daily Telegraph’s Brussels correspondent, winding up the Tory party with a diet of anti-EU stories. His successor in the job, Martin Fletcher, has said: “For 25 years our press has fed the British public a diet of distorted, mendacious and relentlessly hostile stories about the EU – and the journalist who set the tone was Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. He is now campaigning against the cartoon caricature of the EU that he himself created.”

May
After 10 years she is now the most experienced interior minister in Europe and has proved highly influential in justice and home affairs policies. She has recently secured agreement for a new Europe-wide database logging passenger information for all flights in and out of Europe. Although a professed Eurosceptic it was little surprise when she announced she was backing the remain in Europe campaign. In an earlier life she was a Brussels lobbyist for the Association of Clearing Banks for six years and is very much at home trying to secure what she wants in Europe.
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2016, 11:28:56 am »
First time ever a Tory political speech has ever impressed me with its sincerity.
She's certainly the serious 'heal the nation' candidate. I expect she'll have the backing of most of the old surviving grandees. And like I said, I'd prefer to live under a May government than a Johnson or Gove one.
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Re: Tory party leadership election. Competitive arseholery
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2016, 11:29:45 am »
Has Jeremy C*nt-rhymes-with thrown his hat in the ring?

Gone with May.