Author Topic: Lucas  (Read 143137 times)

Offline Sangria

  • In trying to be right ends up wrong without fail
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,075
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2017, 02:47:07 pm »
I don't understand the infatuation at the moment.
Loved him pre injury years ago but he's now not a particularly good player and the fact he's still here and getting games is more an indictment of our inability to build a squad than it is anything else
He seems like a fantastic person by all accounts but club "legends" should be players that win stuff and/or are elite on the pitch.

He's the last remaining player from an era when we were genuinely competing at the top every season, and for a short while he was elite at what he did. He entered his peak just as we fell apart off the field. He's also been the perfect club man off the pitch. Not quite a legend, but a reminder of what was and the question of what might have been.
"i just dont think (Lucas is) that type of player that Kenny wants"
Vidocq, 20 January 2011

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=267148.msg8032258#msg8032258

Offline edge

  • hill, getting off at...with a dijk still hard...
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 5,705
  • allright, then..
Re: Lucas
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2017, 02:52:32 pm »
So will he get a testimonial?

Could get a decent couple of teams out there!

Offline JackWard33

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 25,725
  • President of the Harry Wilson fanclub
Re: Lucas
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2017, 02:59:31 pm »
He's a really loyal servant to the club.

He played really well yesterday, he wasn't up against much pace, so his reading of he game really came to he fore.

He good in the air too, he's always performed well in aieriel dueks..

However, we wouldn't buy him if he was available, so we won't miss him as a player (that's football), but we will certainly miss him as a personality and leader at the club.

Yeah it's the 'loyal servant' bit i never get - not just with Lucas but players generally. He's not a servant he's an extremely highly paid employee. In his case I don't think he's ever had the chance to earn more elsewhere - we've always been the best possible option for him. I have no problem with that - players should earn as much as they can in their short careers - I just don't quite understand the idea that they're giving to the club just because they're an employee for a long time.
But I know most don't see it that way

Offline Sangria

  • In trying to be right ends up wrong without fail
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,075
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2017, 03:00:30 pm »
So will he get a testimonial?

Could get a decent couple of teams out there!

I think he'll need to be here next season, which I doubt. It would be interesting to see if we can field a Lucas era South American XI though, given how central he's been to that side of affairs during his time here. The Manchester South Americans have been regulars at his dos, so they can make up the numbers if there are gaps.
"i just dont think (Lucas is) that type of player that Kenny wants"
Vidocq, 20 January 2011

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=267148.msg8032258#msg8032258

Offline Giono

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 9,901
  • And stop calling me Shirley
Re: Lucas
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2017, 03:09:14 pm »
He's a really loyal servant to the club.

He played really well yesterday, he wasn't up against much pace, so his reading of he game really came to he fore.

He good in the air too, he's always performed well in aieriel dueks..

However, we wouldn't buy him if he was available, so we won't miss him as a player (that's football), but we will certainly miss him as a personality and leader at the club.

It's true about the pace he was up against. But also I think he and Matip have now played together a bit and I think they were a better partnership with Lucas getting forward more with his midfielder instincts and Matip not getting forward as much. It allowed Lucas' passing to come into play. I remember there was one time Lucas had gotten so far forward that Hendo came and told him to get back.

That's the thing. He is a midfielder with midfielder instincts yet he is learning a new position at the highest level. To deliver a performance with few mistakes and few miscalculations is a feat in itself. Against Spurs even more.
"I am a great believer in luck and the harder I work the more of it I have." Stephen Leacock

Offline Fiasco

  • Just add water to foam at the mouth. Can't spell San Francisco. Has promised to eat his own cock. Cannibal Self-Harm in that case.....
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 22,203
  • JFT96.
Re: Lucas
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2017, 03:13:26 pm »
He plays a vital part in us getting our biggest win of the season against a team placed second in the league and yet people still moan about him. What the fuck is up with people?

Offline groove

  • eeeeee baby!
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,778
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2017, 03:15:08 pm »
Pretty much. If you play the game at his pace, like Tottenham did with a lack of speed up front, then he's going to read the game better than you. In games like that I prefer him to Lovren and Klavan because he's smarter, simply. If anyone in the squad is going to learn a new position quickly then it's going to be him.

One thing I noticed he was doing differently yesterday was if he pushed up 10-20 yards didn't win the first challenge, then he would just immediately retreat back to the back four, and not carry on the press.

Offline LallanaInPyjamas

  • Keita's shit, Bundesliga's shit, Bundesliga 2's shit
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 8,502
  • RAWK Cheltenham 2020 Champion Tipster*
Re: Lucas
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2017, 10:46:08 am »
Yeah it's the 'loyal servant' bit i never get - not just with Lucas but players generally. He's not a servant he's an extremely highly paid employee. In his case I don't think he's ever had the chance to earn more elsewhere - we've always been the best possible option for him. I have no problem with that - players should earn as much as they can in their short careers - I just don't quite understand the idea that they're giving to the club just because they're an employee for a long time.
But I know most don't see it that way

You don't see it that way because you try to completely take the emotion out of the game. It's very clear that Lucas loves this football club. And he's certainly had offers in the last few years to play every week at a decent level whilst you'd imagine still earning a wage close to what he's on now. In one or two cases we've asked him to stay as a back-up and he's done that out of loyalty to the club.

Foreign players in particular lasting at one club for ten years is quite rare. He deserves respect for that. Equally, do I think Lucas is a 'club legend'? Not really, because he's not performed consistently enough over that decade nor won enough trophies to be considered one. And do I think we should be in a position where he's our third choice centre back? Never, even if he is capable of performances like Saturday.

I'd have him in the squad ahead of Klavan every day of the week though. Better footballer with a much higher ceiling, helps form a connection between the players and fans, and can play in midfield in emergencies.

Offline ollick

  • Huge Dick..and a Big Knob too!
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,624
  • Arghhhh
Re: Lucas
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2017, 11:13:45 am »
You don't see it that way because you try to completely take the emotion out of the game. It's very clear that Lucas loves this football club. And he's certainly had offers in the last few years to play every week at a decent level whilst you'd imagine still earning a wage close to what he's on now. In one or two cases we've asked him to stay as a back-up and he's done that out of loyalty to the club.

Foreign players in particular lasting at one club for ten years is quite rare. He deserves respect for that. Equally, do I think Lucas is a 'club legend'? Not really, because he's not performed consistently enough over that decade nor won enough trophies to be considered one. And do I think we should be in a position where he's our third choice centre back? Never, even if he is capable of performances like Saturday.

I'd have him in the squad ahead of Klavan every day of the week though. Better footballer with a much higher ceiling, helps form a connection between the players and fans, and can play in midfield in emergencies.

I agree with most of what you say but surely he is a midfielder playing in defence as an emergency?
Why do people quote other people for the sigs?  What' the point?

Offline ToneLa

  • you know the rules but I make the game.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 9,754
  • I AM FURIOUS, RED (STILL)
Re: Lucas
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2017, 11:25:34 am »
Lucas seems to be moving into the Kolo role... old hand, experienced, loves the club, elite player fading out but tries to turn up when needed on the pitch, does stuff behind the scenes!

Offline ghost1359

  • Loves his nuts, but can't swallow them without gagging
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 6,345
Re: Lucas
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2017, 11:37:22 am »
No idea why people are so desperate to fuck him off to be honest. There are very few negatives to having Lucas as part of the squad and an awful lot of positives.
"Be on the watch, the gods will offer you chances. Know them, take them" - The laughing heart, Charles Bukowski

Offline LallanaInPyjamas

  • Keita's shit, Bundesliga's shit, Bundesliga 2's shit
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 8,502
  • RAWK Cheltenham 2020 Champion Tipster*
Re: Lucas
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2017, 11:40:57 am »
I agree with most of what you say but surely he is a midfielder playing in defence as an emergency?

I'm not sure Klopp sees it that way and rightly so. He's only played holding midfield this season in the cups and as a late substitute. Every league start has been at centre half when either Matip or Lovren have been missing.

Just don't think he has the legs to play midfield effectively for 90 minutes in a Klopp side.

No idea why people are so desperate to fuck him off to be honest. There are very few negatives to having Lucas as part of the squad and an awful lot of positives.

Indeed, the negative is having him as your third choice centre back, not 4th or 5th choice while being able to cover holding midfield in the cups.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if he moved on in the summer but it entirely depends on who we bring in.

Offline Jookie

  • Ruptures, then repairs the tears
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 8,619
  • Muted Al 666's posts for my own sanity
Re: Lucas
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2017, 11:46:29 am »
And he's certainly had offers in the last few years to play every week at a decent level whilst you'd imagine still earning a wage close to what he's on now. In one or two cases we've asked him to stay as a back-up and he's done that out of loyalty to the club.


Pretty much agree with most of what you've said.

Quoted the bit above because that's the bit that proves his loyalty. You can argue about his ability all you want but he's stayed, without kicking up a fuss, the last few seasons. He's undoubtedly had options to go elsewhere and play at a decent level. But the manager has asked him to stay and he's done so, even in the knowledge that he won't be 1st choice.

Admittedly there will have been personal considerations that played a part but Lucas seems like someone who wants to play regularly. His loyalty to the club/manager/players has meant he's stayed.

Doesn't make him club legend but makes him someone the fans should respect. Too many of our fans are too easy to call our players out without any context.
I think Jookie might just be the best fisherman on this thread.

Offline ollick

  • Huge Dick..and a Big Knob too!
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,624
  • Arghhhh
Re: Lucas
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2017, 11:50:40 am »
I'm not sure Klopp sees it that way and rightly so. He's only played holding midfield this season in the cups and as a late substitute. Every league start has been at centre half when either Matip or Lovren have been missing.

Just don't think he has the legs to play midfield effectively for 90 minutes in a Klopp side.


Yep, agreed with the comment about the legs.
Why do people quote other people for the sigs?  What' the point?

Offline kavah

  • the Blacksmith. Definitely NOT from Blackpool!
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,662
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2017, 11:52:20 am »
And his presence is clearly a good thing for the other Brasilians (and Moreno)



(the photos from Firmino's instagram - but linked via the DM - so apologies for that).

Offline DanA

  • misses the Eurovision Glory Days.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 12,127
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2017, 12:10:34 pm »
What's that poxy hat for and who's in the middle?
Quote from: hinesy
He hadn't played as if he was on fire, more the slight breeze cutting across New Brighton on a summer's day than El Nino, the force of nature.

Offline Kashinoda

  • More broken biscuits than made of crisps
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 15,827
  • ....mmm
Re: Lucas
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2017, 12:12:49 pm »
He's a horse for a specific course.

He'll always turn up / be suited to a big game like Spurs. But he isn't right (playing at CB) against teams hitting us on the counter.

Pretty simple.
:D

Offline LallanaInPyjamas

  • Keita's shit, Bundesliga's shit, Bundesliga 2's shit
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 8,502
  • RAWK Cheltenham 2020 Champion Tipster*
Re: Lucas
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2017, 12:13:27 pm »
What's that poxy hat for and who's in the middle?

Looks like we've resigned Iago Aspas!

He's a horse for a specific course.

He'll always turn up / be suited to a big game like Spurs. But he isn't right (playing at CB) against teams hitting us on the counter.

Pretty simple.

Agree with this.

Offline JG6

  • Anny Roader
  • ****
  • Posts: 434
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2017, 12:14:49 pm »
Every time he's written off he puts in a performance that makes you realise what a top player he can be and save for that horrible injury, would've been.

I read an interview with Andy Carroll recently where he noted Lucas as the best centre half he's ever played against because of how clever he is, he said he's always nudging you in the back before you jump, knows exactly what you're going to do before you do it etc. That showed on Saturday, he played Harry Kane superbly and 'old manned' him, he used every trick in the book and made Kane look average.

Unfortunately, some players will expose his lack of pace and mobility but as a 3rd/4th choice centre half and someone who can fill in as a DM, as well as being a very popular member of the dressing room and a great influence on the young players, I think we absolutely should keep him around if possible.

Offline stockdam

  • The sheer loftus-cheek of the man.....
  • RAWK Scribe
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 16,363
  • Walk on through the wind, Walk on through the rain
Re: Lucas
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2017, 12:22:46 pm »
Every time he's written off he puts in a performance that makes you realise what a top player he can be and save for that horrible injury, would've been.

I read an interview with Andy Carroll recently where he noted Lucas as the best centre half he's ever played against because of how clever he is, he said he's always nudging you in the back before you jump, knows exactly what you're going to do before you do it etc. That showed on Saturday, he played Harry Kane superbly and 'old manned' him, he used every trick in the book and made Kane look average.

Unfortunately, some players will expose his lack of pace and mobility but as a 3rd/4th choice centre half and someone who can fill in as a DM, as well as being a very popular member of the dressing room and a great influence on the young players, I think we absolutely should keep him around if possible.

Spot on. He is a very competent player and regularly proves the naysayers wrong. His one failing is a lack of pace and that can be shown up at times. However I think we can compensate for that by working as a defensive unit.
#JFT97

Offline Crosby Nick

  • He was super funny. Used to do these super hilarious puns
  • RAWK Scribe
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 111,213
  • Poultry in Motion
Re: Lucas
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2017, 12:36:41 pm »
What's that poxy hat for and who's in the middle?

Is that Allan,  the Brazilian we have out on loan? Or it could just be their mate. :D

Offline JG6

  • Anny Roader
  • ****
  • Posts: 434
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2017, 12:53:16 pm »
What's that poxy hat for and who's in the middle?

Some Brazilian pop star that they all went to see in London.

Offline .adam

  • .asking .for .trouble .for .arson .around .in .Sweden
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 8,469
Re: Lucas
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2017, 01:10:26 pm »
It would be interesting to see if we can field a Lucas era South American XI though

               Doni
Aurelio Huth Macherano Insua
              Lucas
 Maxi  Firmino Coutinho  Leto
             Suarez

From this exercise I've learned that we need more nasty South American defenders.

Offline red_lfc_costello

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,436
Re: Lucas
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2017, 01:13:26 pm »
               Doni
Aurelio Huth Macherano Insua
              Lucas
 Maxi  Firmino Coutinho  Leto
             Suarez

From this exercise I've learned that we need more nasty South American defenders.

Coates no?
You appear to hve mistaken 'the funny photo thread' for the 'pointless, pre-pubescent nonsensical not even porn but "look, look, it's a girl" thread'

Offline ScubaSteve

  • Sworn enemy of SnorkelStephanie
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 5,292
  • Every other Saturday's me half day off......
Re: Lucas
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2017, 01:59:53 pm »
Only just spotted that this page has been unlocked..he must've had a good game  ;D

Solid performance, take a bow!

Offline Sangria

  • In trying to be right ends up wrong without fail
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,075
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2017, 02:06:26 pm »
And his presence is clearly a good thing for the other Brasilians (and Moreno)

(the photos from Firmino's instagram - but linked via the DM - so apologies for that).

Lucas plays CB now.
"i just dont think (Lucas is) that type of player that Kenny wants"
Vidocq, 20 January 2011

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=267148.msg8032258#msg8032258

Offline nico 8

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,607
Re: Lucas
« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2017, 02:32:40 pm »
I don't understand the infatuation at the moment.
Loved him pre injury years ago but he's now not a particularly good player and the fact he's still here and getting games is more an indictment of our inability to build a squad than it is anything else
He seems like a fantastic person by all accounts but club "legends" should be players that win stuff and/or are elite on the pitch.

Don't believe there is any infatuation. People recognize him as a 4th choice and that his time at the club is drawing to an end. We all know his limitations. What level headed fans object to are the bedwetters who conveniently use him as a scapegoat and "pray" that he is never selected again. He plays because there is no better alternative. There were calls for Gomez to play ahead of him notwithstanding the fact that Gomez did nothing in the games he played to suggest that he should play ahead of Lucas. Is Gomez 's ceiling higher- maybe? He too has( recently) recovered from a serious injury. It is a question of respect to the player who despite his limitations has always given of his best.
I am not sure that anyone considers him a club legend either. He deserves respect as every new manager that has come in (since Benitez) and has looked to move him have changed their minds  only to retain him because of his professionalism and attitude. Too often and without justification he has been the scapegoat. Our defeat to Hull being the last example.
Those who prematurely slated him know who they are. Will he make mistakes again if played- no doubt. It is no indictment on him being 4th choice afterall.

Offline CHOPPER

  • Bad Tranny with a Chopper. Hello John gotta new Mitre? I'm Jim Davidson in disguise. Undercover Cop (Grammar Division). Does Louis Spence. Well. A giga-c*nt worth of nothing in particular. Hodgson apologist. Astronomical cock. Hug Jacket Distributor
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 52,420
  • Super Title: Not Arsed
Re: Lucas
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2017, 03:24:31 pm »
Typical fucking Benitez, buys the only sodding Brazilian who can't shoot to save his life.
@ Veinticinco de Mayo The way you talk to other users on this forum is something you should be ashamed of as someone who is suppose to be representing the site.
Martin Kenneth Wild - Part of a family

Online fowlermagic

  • Ilittarate
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,491
Re: Lucas
« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2017, 03:36:31 pm »
In terms of does he have the legs to play for a Klopp side? I don't know the answer to that but it would be worth discussing that in a bigger picture....ie does Klopp's system have a role for players who just turned 30 especially in the areas of the park that warrant a lot of running? Might raise a wee concern for me as I honestly do think players still have a lot to offer once they turn 30. Klopp does ask a lot from his players, which is brilliant to see but it may lead to some burning out earlier than you would foresee and also see lapses in form over a season due to levels of energy dropping as they are human after all.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5-V75v-6I

Offline Sangria

  • In trying to be right ends up wrong without fail
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,075
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2017, 03:56:35 pm »
In terms of does he have the legs to play for a Klopp side? I don't know the answer to that but it would be worth discussing that in a bigger picture....ie does Klopp's system have a role for players who just turned 30 especially in the areas of the park that warrant a lot of running? Might raise a wee concern for me as I honestly do think players still have a lot to offer once they turn 30. Klopp does ask a lot from his players, which is brilliant to see but it may lead to some burning out earlier than you would foresee and also see lapses in form over a season due to levels of energy dropping as they are human after all.

We can only hope that the squad gets filled with players who have both brains and legs. We've had only one summer under Klopp, and while the transfer success rate for that window was above average, we're still short in certain areas. It makes sense to make use of Lucas but not renew his contract, as he's still useful but not so drastically useful that we need him for much longer (not on the pitch, at any rate). The areas where we really need reinforcements are nothing to do with Lucas in any of his versions though.
"i just dont think (Lucas is) that type of player that Kenny wants"
Vidocq, 20 January 2011

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=267148.msg8032258#msg8032258

Offline ToneLa

  • you know the rules but I make the game.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 9,754
  • I AM FURIOUS, RED (STILL)
Re: Lucas
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2017, 04:15:41 pm »

Offline jepovic

  • Only interested in the "prestigious" games, so won't be celebrating anything less.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 7,667
  • Meh sd f
Re: Lucas
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2017, 04:29:01 pm »
Lucas has his limitations and poor games, but so do most of our players. One of the reasons he gets love is that he's been criticized so harshly by dimwit fans who frankly just don't understand what he does so well or why he's been played by every single manager. He has a fantastic anticipation of the game and an incredible timing in his aerial duels, which lets him win the ball against stronger and faster players all the time. He's been racking up top numbers for duels won, aerials won and interceptions every season. He's also an underrated passer, moving the ball quickly without pointless pirouettes or stepovers.

I just wish he would have scored a pointless goal once a year, just to satisfy the idiots.

Online fowlermagic

  • Ilittarate
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,491
Re: Lucas
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2017, 04:30:45 pm »
We can only hope that the squad gets filled with players who have both brains and legs. We've had only one summer under Klopp, and while the transfer success rate for that window was above average, we're still short in certain areas. It makes sense to make use of Lucas but not renew his contract, as he's still useful but not so drastically useful that we need him for much longer (not on the pitch, at any rate). The areas where we really need reinforcements are nothing to do with Lucas in any of his versions though.

Personally I love to see him stay here as we have an experience shortage in the squad but I cant see Lucas who just turned 30 willing to remain a squad player for ever when other CL clubs will be sniffing around him this summer. He will be a free agent I guess and we are not rushing to tie him down. I am sure he will want to see what's available before he moves onto the next chapter but if all our signings could even play half of the appearances he has for us we be in a better place. Most have either failed or got their heads turned by other clubs before they start 100 times in the league for us.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5-V75v-6I

Offline Show Me The Exit

  • Anny Roader
  • ****
  • Posts: 489
  • No Mané mo' problems.
Re: Lucas
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2017, 04:44:24 pm »
Legend and credit to the club.
Mate, with all due respect, you are an absolute fucking fruit case -MOZ

Seriously mate - You post such utter fucking gash with such conviction it's quite spell binding. - Alan_X

Offline leivapool

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,835
  • Pass and move!
Rossiter absolutely bossed it tonight. Really believe he'll end up playing more games this season than Lucas.


Henderson won't make it here. Sorry but he won't and won't

Offline Johnny B. Goode

  • Currently flying solo.....
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,847
  • What planet is Garrincha from?
Re: Lucas
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2017, 10:57:33 am »
A lot of revisionism tends to be said about Lucas. Until 14/15 for instance he was still making an incredible positive difference in our league results, and indeed he was the key to our good run that ended with a home loss to the Mancs. I still remember Carragher making this analysis showing how Lucas had played in that run of games and how we got absolutely destroyed the only game (Mancs away) he had missed.

So, no, I don't buy into the 'not a very good player since his injury' bit. He clearly has been a good player for Liverpool, one that every manager that's been with us seemed to trust. Now it just so happens that we have a markedly different style where he can't really play as a DM anymore. In fact, we don't even play with a DM. That doesn't make Lucas a bad player at all.

As a CB I think he gets more exposed than he would have as a DM in, say, a Rodgers's side. But, again, this doesn't make him a bad player, or, as some say, the embodiment of LFC's mediocrity. I'm not sure how long the Lucas as a CB experiment is gonna go on for, and I do think ideally we shouldn't be having to improvise players. If he's not to play as a DM for us, then sadly I don't see too much future for him here. But until he goes he will always be a decent player, and even as a CB he can put a shift in and deliver in the right system.
'You put Pele face-to-face with me and I'll tell him: Pelé - you, me, any so-and-so...we can't deal with Garrincha, he's better than all of us.' Eusebio

Offline rawcusk8

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 10,214
Re: Lucas
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2017, 11:14:41 am »
Has a shocker one game and looks brilliant the next, if that is not a typical LFC centre back then I've no idea what is. Will most likely leave in the summer but he's been a credit to himself and this club. Not many foreign players stay at one club for a decade especially having suffered a couple of nasty injuries and being out the side he could have chosen to leave a couple of times but he stayed and is great to have around. Love the lad for the attitude he's shown, nobody can fault that at all.
“If you even dream of beating me you'd better wake up and apologize.” - muhammad ali

Offline harryc

  • ane ;)
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,056
  • We All Live in a Red and a White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2017, 11:44:47 am »
I saw a stat somewhere that Lucas is one of the slowest players in the league and there is the issue for him playing as a DM or CB against a quick forward line he will be continually exposed esp the way we play.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 12:33:05 pm by harryc »

Offline Sangria

  • In trying to be right ends up wrong without fail
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,075
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2017, 12:03:09 pm »
I saw a star somewhere that Lucas is one of the slowest players in the league and there is the issue for him playing as a DM or CB against a quick forward line he will be continually exposed esp the way we play.

Be careful using astrology to inform your footballing knowledge. It can play havok with your calculations if you use the wrong planet or constellation.
"i just dont think (Lucas is) that type of player that Kenny wants"
Vidocq, 20 January 2011

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=267148.msg8032258#msg8032258

Offline harryc

  • ane ;)
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,056
  • We All Live in a Red and a White Kop
Re: Lucas
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2017, 12:33:52 pm »
Be careful using astrology to inform your footballing knowledge. It can play havok with your calculations if you use the wrong planet or constellation.

Haha bloody phone!