Topic: Keir Starmer: your views?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Do these hecklers realise what c*nts they are making themselves look like?

We're all pretty left-wing and socialist in here and we think they are fucking knobends.

I imagine the general public will think worse and will be more onside with Starmer after this.


Some shitbags in this party.

[Kenny's Jacket]

hes  been quite funny

[clinical]

just my opinion unless centralists and socialists come together then I can't see labour getting in anytime soon. Both sides too stubborn to compromise.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

just my opinion unless centralists and socialists come together then I can't see labour getting in anytime soon. Both sides too stubborn to compromise.

Centrists are socialists.

[Robinred]

hes  been quite funny

Yep - a sense of humour is something he could perhaps be legitimately accused of lacking, so it’s refreshing.

[Welshred]

Carole Vincent is one of the hecklers apparently. Someone who was in the Socialist Workers Party and stood/campaigned against the Labour Party in elections. Why she hasn't been booted out is anyone's guess.

[Welshred]

On education "its so important I'm tempting to say it three times"

Very good that

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Really liking him emphasising time and again work, education, health, tehnology, family values, justice, truth, empathy, compassion - all things that make a difference in peoples lives.

He's talking about stuff that the average person gives a shit about. It's a conference speech for the country, not just political nerds as has been the case for a while.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Heckler "15 paarnndd an aeurrrrrr!!"

[Kenny's Jacket]

Really liking him emphasising time and again work, education, health, tehnology, family values, justice, truth, empathy, compassion - all things that make a difference in peoples lives.

He's talking about stuff that the average person gives a shit about. It's a conference speech for the country, not just political nerds as has been the case for a while.

Must admit  I hate the term family values 

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Do these hecklers realise what c*nts they are making themselves look like?

We're all pretty left-wing and socialist in here and we think they are fucking knobends.

I imagine the general public will think worse and will be more onside with Starmer after this.


Some shitbags in this party.

Helping make Labour look unelectable in the eyes of many of the people that need to be persuaded to not vote Tory.

I just hope this will strengthen Starmer. We need credible adults to offer a realistic alternative to Johnson and his cronies, not a bunch of student politicians.

Yorkie's post the other day was on the money. When I was a student the hardline activists were more interested in being constitutional pedants and arguing about the student union's position on Palestine than representing fellow students. It seems a fair number in the party have never progressed beyond that.

[Welshred]

Can't find anything to criticise in this speech so people are resorting to the length of it instead 🤔

[AndyMuller]

He is coming across well. The hecklers can piss off.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Now talking about business and the way towns in Lancashire, Yorkshire and around the country and be brought into the next technical revolution.

Talking about business and saying that conditions and investment is good business.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Helping make Labour look unelectable in the eyes of many of the people that need to be persuaded to not vote Tory.

I just hope this will strengthen Starmer. We need credible adults to offer a realistic alternative to Johnson and his cronies, not a bunch of student politicians.

Yorkie's post the other day was on the money. When I was a student the hardline activists were more interested in being constitutional pedants and arguing about the student union's position on Palestine than representing fellow students. It seems a fair number in the party have never progressed beyond that.

This is a problem I had with Corbyn; Talking about Palestine. Clearly a very important topic for some people, but Barry in Bristol that is losing his job, can't keep his house, seeing his family plunged into poverty doesn't really give a shit about stuff like this.

As you said, my far-left mates are all obsessed with things that the general public don't give a fuck about

[Nobby Reserve]

When I was a student the hardline activists were more interested in being constitutional pedants and arguing about the student union's position on Palestine than representing fellow students. It seems a fair number in the party have never progressed beyond that.

When I was a union rep, I attended a few broader 'leftist' meetings in the city. The first one I sat through utterly bemused. Went some thing like:

"I talk to you here today, brothers, to tell..."
[interjection from the floor: "and sisters"]
"...and sisters... to tell you all about..."

And so it went on. It was like a sketch taking the piss; every lefty caricature happened at some point.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Must admit  I hate the term family values 

He didn't use the term directly - he mentioned that his work ethic and his politics and his views were based on his family working in a factory and in the NHS

[Kenny's Jacket]

This is a problem I had with Corbyn; Talking about Palestine. Clearly a very important topic for some people, but Barry in Bristol that is losing his job, can't keep his house, seeing his family plunged into poverty doesn't really give a shit about stuff like this.

As you said, my far-left mates are all obsessed with things that the general public don't give a fuck about

I think The same with fighting anti semitism

Unfortunately it doesnt have the same impact as anti black racism thats now in the public pshyce thanks to BLM

Barry from Bristol probably doesnt know what the term means

[Kenny's Jacket]

He didn't use the term directly - he mentioned that his work ethic and his politics and his views were based on his family working in a factory and in the NHS

It wasnt a criticism of his speach, just a response to your post

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Unsure applause when he has a go at the SNP

[Andy @ Allerton!]

It wasnt a criticism of his speach, just a response to your post

James and the giant speach?

[Welshred]

Loving that he's defending the last Labour government for all the good it did

[Kenny's Jacket]

James and the giant speach?

its peach  mate

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Loving that he's defending the last Labour government for all the good it did

Yep - needs doing more that.

I've had discussions with mates that have basically said "What did they ever do that was good"

Turned pretty much into the Monty Python sketch

"Well. Apart from (lists 30 great things that Labour achieved) what have Labour ever done for us.."

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Wow

Great line

"In this conference hall we are patriots"


Refuting the claim that Labour are 'against the country and unpatriotic"

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Now giving thanks to the armed forces

(Again the perception has been that Labour hate the armed forces)


But he's getting heckled again.

[Sangria]

On education "its so important I'm tempting to say it three times"

Very good that

Wasn't that Brown as well?

[Kenny's Jacket]

Wasn't that Brown as well?

Blair before he won in 97

[Zeb]

Not a bad conference speech at all (yes, it was long but it's for conference geeks and everyone else will get edited highlights/lowlights). Contrast important and people marginalising themselves speeds up process of presenting Labour as changed. Contrast with Johnson obvious but see whether he can make more impression with it. "Make Brexit work" is fun but still raises my own hackles a bit. Where we're at though and it'd be a mandate to constructively repair relations with the EU.

[Red Beret]

Sidebar: someone I know described some kind of Labour meeting they attended yesterday where the MP for Gower slated trans' rights.

Does anyone know anything about this? I don't follow the news much and the person I know gives the impression this was some kind of hushed up affair when we know lots of politicians engage in fringe meetings during times like these.

[oldfordie]

Some of the messages will hit home with many people.
Nobody can be serious about Levelling up when they won't even level up our children. nail on the head. if they have no problem with seeing children suffer then you are very naïve thinking they care about adults suffering.

[Sangria]

Blair before he won in 97

I mean it was a Brown idea. Just as "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" was worded by Brown but said by Blair.

[Sangria]

Not a bad conference speech at all (yes, it was long but it's for conference geeks and everyone else will get edited highlights/lowlights). Contrast important and people marginalising themselves speeds up process of presenting Labour as changed. Contrast with Johnson obvious but see whether he can make more impression with it. "Make Brexit work" is fun but still raises my own hackles a bit. Where we're at though and it'd be a mandate to constructively repair relations with the EU.

"Make Brexit work" wouldn't be my thought, but it's something we have to live with given the political climate. My thought was well and truly rejected by the voters in 2019.

[Zeb]

"Make Brexit work" wouldn't be my thought, but it's something we have to live with given the political climate. My thought was well and truly rejected by the voters in 2019.

Aye. Someone else must make all the compromises doesn't work. Eh well. See what goalposts we can shift on immigration and rights of immigrants without torching the Home Office first. Can do that later.

[FlashingBlade]

Not thought much of him up to now..but good speech by Starmer...finally Labour get it right...just hit key notes repeat repeat repeat..exactly what Tories do..the electrorate can't cope with complexity...

Work.
Care.
Equality.
Security.


But the internal.shit show will pop its head up and Tory media will go to work on that.

Good speech....but Labour needs to unite and present a clear unified message..no ambiguity or veering
of on agenda issues to fuel Tory media..attack the Tories
....but he and Labour needs to back it up and cut out the inscecent need to score own goals or alienate the working classes

[oldfordie]

Not a bad conference speech at all (yes, it was long but it's for conference geeks and everyone else will get edited highlights/lowlights). Contrast important and people marginalising themselves speeds up process of presenting Labour as changed. Contrast with Johnson obvious but see whether he can make more impression with it. "Make Brexit work" is fun but still raises my own hackles a bit. Where we're at though and it'd be a mandate to constructively repair relations with the EU.

I think I would rather they say nothing now and leave it on the backburner until the public are more receptive to what they now feel as unacceptable.

[Zeb]

Sidebar: someone I know described some kind of Labour meeting they attended yesterday where the MP for Gower slated trans' rights.

Does anyone know anything about this? I don't follow the news much and the person I know gives the impression this was some kind of hushed up affair when we know lots of politicians engage in fringe meetings during times like these.

She's been on telly saying that MPs need to be able to discuss how things work in law and are interpreted by law, which I know has upset some because it can sometimes sound like someone's right to exist is being questioned rather than the dry legal sense of how things work within existing equalities law and what changes might be made. But it's a horrible debate at the moment with not a lot of trust between people.

[damomad]

I thought the having a go at the SNP was a bit unnecessary. How can anyone say the Scots can't manage education when they give out free university tuition. I suppose he does have to be seen to protect the union though.

Overall, I listened to the last 45 minutes and thought he was very good. I loved the focus on mental health and climate, particularly the case for manufacturing of wind turbines in Britain instead of overseas. Took time to sensibly explain his vision, with examples normal people can relate to and that are not too hard to envision.

When the crowd panned across the crowd, made me realise how many likeable MP's they have within their ranks. Once they get in power, they'll make life changing differences. The focus really should be just getting in.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I think "Make Brexit work" was good

he doesnt piss off 52% off the electorate and highlights that its currently shit

you wont get the ref wall back by reversing Brexit and the liberal remainers  are likely to vote for him anyway

[PaulF]

I heard about 20 mins of it on the radio.
His delivery is rather dull.  I think I like what he was saying, but just didn't feel 'emotionally' drawn to whatever he was saying.
Something about green investment is always a winner with me, but it felt a bit box ticky.

I've got no answers. That's just an observation from somoeone that's voted tory before, but won't in their current incarnation.

The hush from the bashing of the SNP was rather noticeable too!