Topic: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"

[Machae]

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So @SamCoatesTimes says that dozens of MPs next week have a tutorial scheduled on what the customs union is from some trade experts...



Absolutely staggering.

Shouldn't be a surprise, most of these politicians are unqualified and voted in by their constituents. The civil service are the brains and carry out most of the legwork.

[So… Howard Philips]

It will when they run out of jam and cupcakes

There'll be utter mayhem if the Tombola is cancelled, mark my words.

[Not that Gareth]

Shouldn't be a surprise, most of these politicians are unqualified and voted in by their constituents. The civil service are the brains and carry out most of the legwork.

No way, this is basics. They all just voted on it (the closest vote?) It fucking staggering that after two years they need lessons on a customs union.

[FlashingBlade]

None of this will matter if we win the league.

[Son of Spion]

I reckon that they try the bite one last time...

It won’t die.

[Dr. Beaker]

There'll be utter mayhem if the Tombola is cancelled, mark my words.

There are still loads of protesters around Parliament, they aren't the cupcake types, believe me. There are two more demos to turn up yet the next is from 8-11, and then another from 11-1am! Probably, originally, to celebrate Brexit witching hour. I personally expect it to kick off especially as it is all now under cover of darkness. Even the PM was delayed leaving the building by the arrival of what seemed like the Orange Lodge (about 700 of them).

[ShakaHislop]

Did the BBC air any of the speeches from the People's Vote march on Saturday?

Frottage, Peter Bone and Tim Martin have all been shown live today.

[Not that Gareth]

There are still loads of protesters around Parliament, they aren't the cupcake types, believe me. There are two more demos to turn up yet the next is from 8-11, and then another from 11-1am! Probably, originally, to celebrate Brexit witching hour. I personally expect it to kick off especially as it is all now under cover of darkness. Even the PM was delayed leaving the building by the arrival of what seemed like the Orange Lodge (about 700 of them).

You mean a bunch of drunk dickheads will turn up and probably start fighting themselves?

[reniformis]

Shouldn't be a surprise, most of these politicians are unqualified

To be fair, for the last couple of decades politicians haven't had to worry about the minutiae of trade deals and customs processes, that was taken care of by the experts of the EU commission. And in fact was the whole point of it. So our politicians could get on with other stuff closer to the hearts of the electorate. You're right, though. I can already see a Guardian cartoon of a room full of Dodo's and a 'how to fly' flipchart at the front as the humans with guns and cutlery wait outside.

The civil service are the brains and carry out most of the legwork.

Unelected bureaucrats! We don't need them, it's corrupt and only the EU have them.

[Ghost Town]

Odd place for doing political videos.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1111656119448031232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1111656119448031232&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Flive%2Fuk-politics-parliaments-47696409

Rumour is Corbyn is sitting on the floor between carriages on that very same train.

Lol at Corbyn's train shame

Honestly, as I've said before, I just can't see it with Rory Stewart. He's just a smooth-voice covering up as closed a mind as any ERGer or DUPer. He sounds all open and approachable and as if he really cares about compromise and working together, but his words and in particular the things he doesn't say, doesn't even admit to, betray him

Even in this video he makes no mention of the options he doesn't want, while talking about compromise. Sure he's entitled to his views  - which basically amount to 'the WA must pass'  - but how can he try and lionise compromise without accepting and honestly admitting the existence of his non-favoured options?

Doesn't help that he has the mannerisms of another recent smooth-voiced idealogue.

[Hazell]

Shouldn't be a surprise, most of these politicians are unqualified and voted in by their constituents. The civil service are the brains and carry out most of the legwork.

But that would mean more Terri Coverleys and less Hugh Abbots.

[Ghost Town]

You mean a bunch of drunk dickheads will turn up and probably start fighting themselves?

I'm more concerned that they might take their Independence Day is Ruined rage out on innocent foreign-looking passers by

[Dr. Beaker]

You mean a bunch of drunk dickheads will turn up and probably start fighting themselves?

Hopefully that's all, but some real meanies are expected.

[Rush 82]

Ugh!

Just saw some fucking dickhead brexiteer on telly with an lfc cap on his head.

twat

[Qston]

There'll be utter mayhem if the Tombola is cancelled, mark my words.

They may have a new take on smack the rat though

[Robinred]

Did the BBC air any of the speeches from the People's Vote march on Saturday?

Frottage, Peter Bone and Tim Martin have all been shown live today.

Quite.

As I posted yesterday, it’s almost impossible not to conclude that the most impartial Brexit coverage occurs elsewhere on the T.V. - most notably Channel 4 and ITV.

[Zeb]

Telegraph's Peter Foster is worth reading on how close to the cliffedge we are without any sign of consensus in Parliament and no sign of the government changing tack: https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1111683378229772288

[Machae]

Ugh!

Just saw some fucking dickhead brexiteer on telly with an lfc cap on his head.

twat

Probably Trada

[ShakaHislop]

Quite.

As I posted yesterday, it’s almost impossible not to conclude that the most impartial Brexit coverage occurs elsewhere on the T.V. - most notably Channel 4 and ITV.

They'll do the false equivalence thing by saying "thousands have marched on both sides" as if that tells the whole story.

[scouseman]

why  is the BBC broadcasting the speeches of pro-Leave headbangers like Peter Bone, Tim Martin, and Nigel Frottage when it did not extend the same courtesy to the PeoplesVote speakers on Saturday? shocking. So much for not being biased in your coverage

[ShakaHislop]

"You don't change people's minds by insulting them"

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1111700089557405699

[Ray K]

@lizrawlings
DUP Westminster leader Nigel Dodds tells #Newsnight "I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union." https://t.co/LM3OYOYHu0 https://t.co/2xoyxPnOuh


Well Nigel, you're so very very close to solving this puzzle. In Wheel of Fortune terms it's
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[Ghost Town]

Quite.

As I posted yesterday, it’s almost impossible not to conclude that the most impartial Brexit coverage occurs elsewhere on the T.V. - most notably Channel 4 and ITV.

Indeed. I've always resisted getting involved in these 'The BBC are too left/right wing' conversations in the past, but recent evidence is pretty damning and conclusive. I don't know whether it's fear of the government, or obsequiousness, or whether BBC news and current affairs just happens to be run largely by right-wingers, but the bias is clear and undeniable.

This is an interesting read on the subject:

https://spartacus-educational.com/spartacus-blogURL71.htm

[stara]

@lizrawlings
DUP Westminster leader Nigel Dodds tells #Newsnight "I would stay in the European Union and remain

I'll be waiting DUP's rendition of "Anthem of Europe" @ Parliament. SNP did it quite nicely 2017.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/esTOPwh0REM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/esTOPwh0REM</a>

[TepidT2O]

Riot police outside Downing Street now...


Jon Snow says he’s never seen so many white people in one place....

Not one bit of xenophobia in this Brexit stuff  ....Honest

[Red Beret]

Oh absolutely, she fully expected to win a huge landslide so inept was Corbyn.  Credit where it's due he ran a good campaign and May ran the worst one possible.

Had she kept her majority she may still have struggled but there would have been a real chance that she'd have got it through eventually

Her majority was wafer thin - bolstering her Brexit mandate was the other main reason in calling the election in the first place.  But without that election she wouldn't have needed the DUP (or less likely) and any Labour rebellion would have been more significant.

I just find it ironic that in winning those seats, Leaver Corbyn helped make it that little bit harder to leave.

[Red Beret]

You mean a bunch of drunk dickheads will turn up and probably start fighting themselves?

Sums up them, the government, and Parliament pretty much.

[Red Beret]

@lizrawlings
DUP Westminster leader Nigel Dodds tells #Newsnight "I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union." https://t.co/LM3OYOYHu0 https://t.co/2xoyxPnOuh


Well Nigel, you're so very very close to solving this puzzle. In Wheel of Fortune terms it's
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Catch 22 for them.  They want to stay in the Union more than they want out of the European Union.

[Iska]

Jon Snow says he’s never seen so many white people in one place....

Stupid way to put it to be honest though.

[Yosser0_0]

Did the BBC air any of the speeches from the People's Vote march on Saturday?

Frottage, Peter Bone and Tim Martin have all been shown live today.

No, I could only find the Heseltine speech on You tube.

<a href="https://youtube.com/v/Y8oWrF2CXF8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://youtube.com/v/Y8oWrF2CXF8</a>

[TepidT2O]

Stupid way to put it to be honest though.

Not quite my point...

My point was that all the protesters were white and yet we are told Brexit is not xenophobic.

[Dr. Beaker]

No, I could only find the Heseltine speech on You tube.

<a href="https://youtube.com/v/Y8oWrF2CXF8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://youtube.com/v/Y8oWrF2CXF8</a>

So is Alisson a remainer?

[goalrushatgoodison]

Just saw John Bolton explaining that the US  can't wait to help independent Britain by entering into a trade deal. He went on to explain that the reason they want to do this is because the president feels that existing trade deals between US and EU discriminates against the U.S.

In other words UK as a member of the EU have an advantageous deal now, in Trumps opinion, so if you leave you won't get be getting near as good a deal going forward. Sounds like a good reason to stay in to me?

[ShakaHislop]

From a BBC report about the protest

"Parliament Square and the roads around the Commons were full of thousands of Leavers; just a handful of Remainers watched on"

The green on Parliament Square, yes. All of the roads immediately around it, and "around the Commons", fuck no.

Two of those Remainers supposedly "watching on" (definitely not people who were walking by and pulled off the street) were then interviewed vox-pop style. One of them said that "it's a pity that things haven't progressed a little quicker" and "by now, the politicians could have sorted something out" and the other "we personally voted Remain but we just want it finished with now, even if it means leaving" 

Even at 7:20pm, despite it being acknowledged that the protest had officially ended two hours earlier, the BBC had someone live at the scene because supposedly a "few hundred people" (which you didn't have a clear shot of, even if those numbers were true) had stuck around.

Disproportiate, dodgy coverage IMO but hey, they're "angry". As if I should give a shit.

[Red Beret]

Just saw John Bolton explaining that the US  can't wait to help independent Britain by entering into a trade deal. He went on to explain that the reason they want to do this is because the president feels that existing trade deals between US and EU discriminates against the U.S.

In other words UK as a member of the EU have an advantageous deal now, in Trumps opinion, so if you leave you won't get be getting near as good a deal going forward. Sounds like a good reason to stay in to me?

You should know by now that common sense is not driving this.  It only makes sense from the perspective of the internal power play happening within the Conservative Party.  Corbyn's Labour are just tagging along for the ride.

[BobOnATank]

@lizrawlings
DUP Westminster leader Nigel Dodds tells #Newsnight "I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union." https://t.co/LM3OYOYHu0 https://t.co/2xoyxPnOuh


Well Nigel, you're so very very close to solving this puzzle. In Wheel of Fortune terms it's
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Duper stupidity, its like they drove into a cul-de-sac, blocked themselves in, climbed out, blindfolded themselves then backed into a corner and held a gun against their own head threatening to pull the trigger all while shouting there was nothing they could do to stop it.

ERG abandoned them and they've blinked with no where left to go in westminister all while losing a shit load of support in NI and all farmers and businesses. With a potential GE around the corner they are now in the position were if they lose votes to the UUP for example that'll open the door for SF to be the largest party plus they'll lose the veto and will have to stomach equal rights. I can only hope this all happens and of course that A50 is revoked.

And the icing on the cake is that they've progressed the unification journey 10 years with their actions

[killer-heels]

From a BBC report about the protest

"Parliament Square and the roads around the Commons were full of thousands of Leavers; just a handful of Remainers watched on"

The green on Parliament Square, yes. All of the roads immediately around it, and "around the Commons", fuck no.

Two of those Remainers supposedly "watching on" (definitely not people who were walking by and pulled off the street) were then interviewed vox-pop style. One of them said that "it's a pity that things haven't progressed a little quicker" and "by now, the politicians could have sorted something out" and the other "we personally voted Remain but we just want it finished with now, even if it means leaving" 

Even at 7:20pm, despite it being acknowledged that the protest had officially ended two hours earlier, the BBC had someone live at the scene because supposedly a "few hundred people" (which you didn't have a clear shot of, even if those numbers were true) had stuck around.

Disproportiate, dodgy coverage IMO but hey, they're "angry". As if I should give a shit.

There was a guy on Victoria Derbyshire show saying that if Leave was denied there would be protests twice the size of the Peoples march

These fuckers cannot do anything of any significance. Their constituency is too old and as brits they are not built for protests like those across the channel.

Maybe the likes of UKIP will get more votes and as well as many fringe right wing parties but if anything thats a good thing. We have needed a split of the right wing vote for years.

[Yosser0_0]

I'd imagine now if it goes to a peoples vote the question would have to be three way - No Deal / Deal / Remain. The deal would have to be either the WA or something along the lines of the Customs union, provided that gets EU buy in. The question is then would parliament allow the "No Deal" option, they don't seem to want it on the table, but they did allow a binary Yes/No on EU membership at the last referendum. It might be difficult to keep that question away from the vote, also it depends upon your point of view as it could divide the Leave vote or galvanise it towards a "No deal" vote, either way its a huge risk as we saw at the last referendum. The Remain vote I imagine would be constant or perhaps increase (I think). A peoples vote isn't to be taken for granted, the question is crucial as there's a lot of fucking dick heads out there with a vote.    

[goalrushatgoodison]

You should know by now that common sense is not driving this.  It only makes sense from the perspective of the internal power play happening within the Conservative Party.  Corbyn's Labour are just tagging along for the ride.

I get that of course but Bolton seemed to think he was making the case that you would be better off out when in fact he was actually pointing out, at least with regard to trade with the U.S.,  that you would be significantly worse.

[rob1966]

Not quite my point...

My point was that all the protesters were white and yet we are told Brexit is not xenophobic.

White and middle to old aged from the pics I saw. You're right as well, Brexit is supposed to be for Britain, yet it was all UKIP and Tommy (my name is really Yaxley-Lennon) Robinson and his racist mob.