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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2018, 01:29:36 pm »
He's the perfect candidate for replacing one brain with another, whether that's sort term or long term.

Are there any UEFA rules preventing him from coming back to the club before the 26th?

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #121 on: May 18, 2018, 01:33:56 pm »
If he wants to, then I wouldn't have no issue with him coming back in some capacity.
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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #122 on: May 18, 2018, 02:04:19 pm »
starting to look like Bluemoon in here with all this talk of 'our Pep'

when's the memorial service for the coach?
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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #123 on: May 18, 2018, 02:05:09 pm »
My point was more - don't make any definitive conclusions based on the limited information we have available to us. We don't know what is going on in Beale's head. For example, for a man with Beale's skillset, we wouldn't have been the only club that could employ him having to almost make a job to do so. You could equally argue having moved away from youth coaching and got a taste for the next step up, he got little job satisfaction and would prefer to stick at what he enjoys and feels he is good at. And doing that somewhere he feels comfortable after a hectic few months in Brazil.

Maybe similar has happened with Ljinders. Maybe he re-evaluates his coaching career to date, asses what aspect he enjoys the most and realises he would like to coach a team but at youth level again, like he did with Neves group at Porto and the U18 group here.

Or maybe he wants to come back to the role he had. Or even move into the assistant role as you said. They are all options, some more likely than others. But I wouldn't rule anything out. There is the human aspect in all of this - in people making decisions that they feel will best satisfy them even if from the outside looking in, they make little sense, logically speaking.

Don’t think I made any definitive conclusions but more an educated (or uneducated depending on your pov) guess on the information that we have available. 

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #124 on: May 18, 2018, 02:38:10 pm »
Don’t think I made any definitive conclusions but more an educated (or uneducated depending on your pov) guess on the information that we have available.

We have almost no information though, which was my underlying point.

We assume career progression for them as professionals is from coaching U7 as entry level and being as close to the manager seat as possible as progress. When in reality, they may still be trying to work out what they are good at, not good at, enjoy doing, don't enjoy doing. Finding out what they want to be doing for the next 20 or so years in football. Which means while we see becoming U18 as a step backwards, it's possible Ljinders may be offered any of the roles that are open and he feels that is the one he has been most effective in his career, or enjoyed the most.
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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #125 on: May 18, 2018, 06:00:12 pm »
We have almost no information though, which was my underlying point.

We assume career progression for them as professionals is from coaching U7 as entry level and being as close to the manager seat as possible as progress. When in reality, they may still be trying to work out what they are good at, not good at, enjoy doing, don't enjoy doing. Finding out what they want to be doing for the next 20 or so years in football. Which means while we see becoming U18 as a step backwards, it's possible Ljinders may be offered any of the roles that are open and he feels that is the one he has been most effective in his career, or enjoyed the most.

Right, the information that we do have is that Pep has stated, on more then one occasion, that he wants to be a manager.  You can rightly assume that, given that he so clearly wants to be a manager of a 1st team, that he likely would not want to go back to coaching youth players but would prefer to get more experience working with senior pros under one of the best managers in the game today. 

It’s all conjecture obviously but I don’t think there’s anything wrong about what I’m saying.  I may be wrong, and you may be right, but based on what we know, I don’t think my opinion is totally out of bounds here. 

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #126 on: May 18, 2018, 06:16:21 pm »
Right, the information that we do have is that Pep has stated, on more then one occasion, that he wants to be a manager.  You can rightly assume that, given that he so clearly wants to be a manager of a 1st team, that he likely would not want to go back to coaching youth players but would prefer to get more experience working with senior pros under one of the best managers in the game today. 

It’s all conjecture obviously but I don’t think there’s anything wrong about what I’m saying.  I may be wrong, and you may be right, but based on what we know, I don’t think my opinion is totally out of bounds here.

But everything you said is based on old information. His opinion was before he had been a manager. Now he has done that, objectively struggled and failed.

His opinion today would be relevant and that is completely unknown to us. But it is 100% what he bases his next step on his career path on. His opinion before he was a manager may be relevant and may be completely irrelevant. But it is unreliable to base anything on so I just wouldn't assume anything based on things he said in the past.

Basically, all the important information in this are completely unknown. Does he STILL want to be a manager? Did he get any satisfaction from that job? Would he like to give it another go? Would he prefer to go back to youth coaching? No idea on any of those at all. Which makes guessing his next move relatively futile.
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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #127 on: May 18, 2018, 06:36:22 pm »
PoP loses out to another one. The man just want's a hug from Kloppo for fuck sakes...and to wear his short short's.

It's an effin' disgrace. I even bought different brands. The Umbro ones are like thongs.
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« Reply #128 on: May 18, 2018, 06:39:38 pm »
why are people fighting the idea that he wouldn't come back if offered? He liked it here a lot and liked Klopp a lot.

it's like trying to hard to find negativity.

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #129 on: May 18, 2018, 06:41:54 pm »
But everything you said is based on ol d information

Which is why I said, “based on the information we know”. 

By the way, I totally understand your point of view on this.  All I’m doing is giving an opinion. 

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #130 on: May 18, 2018, 06:48:58 pm »
Which is why I said, “based on the information we know”. 

By the way, I totally understand your point of view on this.  All I’m doing is giving an opinion.
It's what forums are for.

I've no idea what he will do next. A lot of coaches give management a bash, fail, go back to coaching. Some are driven by the need to succeed in everything they put their mind to. Some just find coaching kids far more enjoyable and rewarding as you can actually teach and mould the players more. As a manager it is far more difficult to actually effect change in a player.
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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #131 on: May 18, 2018, 07:42:01 pm »
Would love to see him come back

Klopp spoke incredibly highly of his ability previously

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #132 on: May 18, 2018, 09:56:52 pm »
If he has bills to pay, then he probably doesn't care. When your wages come from such an unstable environment as professional coaching, you take whatever jobs will pay you the money - unless you're already filthy rich, in which case, you can take the Rangers or Valencia jobs :D

But for the mere mortals, whatever pays the bills gets the call.

Of course, and we all understand that, no shame in you coming out and just saying you flip burgers at McNasty's to make ends meat because training the under 7's doesn't pay the rent.

It certainly won't change my opinion of you or the insights you provide, and if there are any people here that would judge you based upon your day (or night) job then I am sure most people here will agree that this only reflects badly on them and not you.

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #133 on: May 18, 2018, 10:16:08 pm »
Of course, and we all understand that, no shame in you coming out and just saying you flip burgers at McNasty's to make ends meat because training the under 7's doesn't pay the rent.

It certainly won't change my opinion of you or the insights you provide, and if there are any people here that would judge you based upon your day (or night) job then I am sure most people here will agree that this only reflects badly on them and not you.

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #134 on: May 19, 2018, 12:08:47 am »
Rubbish.


It's Burger King.


The hours are better.

And so are the burgers.

But some fucker needs to have a word with them about their chips.
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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #135 on: May 28, 2018, 01:51:55 pm »
Neil Jones (formerly of the Echo) now in Reddy's old job at Goal says we want Pep to come back
https://t.co/f10crVhpcV?amp=1

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #136 on: May 28, 2018, 01:56:53 pm »
Bring him back!!!

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #137 on: May 28, 2018, 01:58:32 pm »
I saw that earlier on, hope Pep returns as he was a valued member of the coaching team. He was at the final too as well.
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« Reply #138 on: May 28, 2018, 01:59:43 pm »
Seems a no brainer. Good coach, staff and players all love his ideas and has a good eye for internal talent.

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« Reply #139 on: May 28, 2018, 02:05:05 pm »
Neil Jones (formerly of the Echo) now in Reddy's old job at Goal says we want Pep to come back
https://t.co/f10crVhpcV?amp=1

Hopefully Pep comes back but it seems that Buvac won’t be returning.  It’ll be interesting to see how Klopp replaces the “brain” of his staff.  Will it just be Pep stepping in and taking that role or will Klopp bring in someone from the outside?

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« Reply #140 on: May 28, 2018, 02:08:20 pm »
Hopefully Pep comes back but it seems that Buvac won’t be returning.  It’ll be interesting to see how Klopp replaces the “brain” of his staff.  Will it just be Pep stepping in and taking that role or will Klopp bring in someone from the outside?

Does anyone know what happened there yet?
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« Reply #141 on: May 28, 2018, 02:21:45 pm »
Does anyone know what happened there yet?

Nothing has come out that I have seen. 

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« Reply #142 on: May 28, 2018, 02:51:36 pm »
Does anyone know what happened there yet?

They almost certainly had a falling out. One article mentioned in passing that Buvac was concerned about his standing within the game and had become increasingly disinterested.
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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #143 on: May 28, 2018, 02:59:28 pm »
Seems a no brainer. Good coach, staff and players all love his ideas and has a good eye for internal talent.

Agree with this. Klopp knows what he’s getting so does seem a no brainer.

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« Reply #144 on: May 28, 2018, 03:41:59 pm »
Hopefully Pep comes back but it seems that Buvac won’t be returning.

Hopefully Pep does but nobody knows anything about Buvac at the moment.

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« Reply #145 on: May 28, 2018, 04:09:32 pm »
Hopefully Pep does but nobody knows anything about Buvac at the moment.

Going by that article it would seem that it’s looking like he won’t be coming back.

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #146 on: May 28, 2018, 04:48:20 pm »
Going by that article it would seem that it’s looking like he won’t be coming back.

Then why did you say this before the article?

Nothing has come out that I have seen. 

After saying this:

Hopefully Pep comes back but it seems that Buvac won’t be returning. 

You think he won't.

That's fine.

But it's just a thought.

It's entirely possible to feel that he will come back because he is with his ailing father and neither the club nor Jurgen have said anything because they are respecting Buvac's privacy.

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« Reply #147 on: May 28, 2018, 05:05:41 pm »
It's entirely possible to feel that he will come back because he is with his ailing father and neither the club nor Jurgen have said anything because they are respecting Buvac's privacy.
Erm what?

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #148 on: May 28, 2018, 05:08:33 pm »
Erm what?

It was claimed by a Bosnian journalist that he was with his father who was ill, and that's why the club has not commented.
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« Reply #149 on: May 28, 2018, 07:07:43 pm »
It was claimed by a Bosnian journalist that he was with his father who was ill, and that's why the club has not commented.

Defacto (I think it was) said that the journalist who did say that is far more reliable than the Bosnian tabloid who claimed that Buvac was going to Arsenal. We'll just have to wait and find out.

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« Reply #150 on: May 28, 2018, 07:15:00 pm »
Defacto (I think it was) said that the journalist who did say that is far more reliable than the Bosnian tabloid who claimed that Buvac was going to Arsenal. We'll just have to wait and find out.

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #151 on: May 28, 2018, 07:21:11 pm »
Yes, Haris Mrkonja who works for N1, which is the CNN affiliate in the Balkans.

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His story, like those that say he is gone, to be taken for what they are - probably a combination of guess work intermingled with a touch of knowledge or tips, and a little smattering of putting two and two together because of what had gone on before!

We'll find out soon enough.

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« Reply #152 on: May 28, 2018, 07:34:12 pm »
His story, like those that say he is gone, to be taken for what they are - probably a combination of guess work intermingled with a touch of knowledge or tips, and a little smattering of putting two and two together because of what had gone on before!

We'll find out soon enough.

We know by now it has nothing to do with Arsenal or any other coaching job.

He's not a tabloid journalist, and he doesn't write nonsense. His comment about 'I'm digging stay tunned'' was in regards to the Arsenal link at the time, as he explained in another tweet because people were questioning him to clarify that


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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #153 on: May 28, 2018, 07:37:59 pm »
We know by now it has nothing to do with Arsenal or any other coaching job.

He's not a tabloid journalist, and he doesn't write nonsense. His comment about 'I'm digging stay tunned'' was in regards to the Arsenal link at the time, as he explained in another tweet because people were questioning him to clarify that

we don't know that though really.   

Anyway, we'll find out soon enough now the season is over.

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Re: Pep Lijnders leaves Liverpool with immediate effect
« Reply #155 on: June 5, 2018, 05:03:16 pm »
Benefit of leaving on good terms.

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« Reply #157 on: June 5, 2018, 05:06:45 pm »
Welcome back Pep! ;D

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« Reply #158 on: June 5, 2018, 05:07:18 pm »
Did absolutely woeful at NEC but suppose he's well-suited to this job if Klopp wants him back!
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« Reply #159 on: June 5, 2018, 05:08:02 pm »
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