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I was watching an episode of Real Time from about 6 weeks ago and Bill Maher mentioned a report that the Vatican had done on child abuse where it found, among other things, that it wasn't paedophilia if the child was over the age of 10. The way they were talking about it, it seemed recent. Anyone know about this report?

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I was watching an episode of Real Time from about 6 weeks ago and Bill Maher mentioned a report that the Vatican had done on child abuse where it found, among other things, that it wasn't paedophilia if the child was over the age of 10. The way they were talking about it, it seemed recent. Anyone know about this report?

No. But I have heard of psychiatrists that say this.

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I was watching an episode of Real Time from about 6 weeks ago and Bill Maher mentioned a report that the Vatican had done on child abuse where it found, among other things, that it wasn't paedophilia if the child was over the age of 10. The way they were talking about it, it seemed recent. Anyone know about this report?

The Vatican have always said that it isn't paedophilia but rather Ephebophilia, which they say is just gay. That suits them as they're always saying gays are bad, m'kay?

Vatican: Ephebophilia, Not Pedophilia
By Julie Bolcer

The Vatican has suggested that instances of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests would be more accurately described as ephebophilia -- attraction to mid to late adolescents -- rather than pedophilia.

Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, the Vatican’s permanent observer to the United Nations, argued for the change in terminology in a statement following a meeting of the U.N. human rights council in Geneva.

"Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90 percent belong to this sexual orientation minority which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17,” said Tomasi, according to London's The Guardian newspaper.

In the statement, Tomasi also attempted to deflect criticism of the Vatican’s handling of sexual abuse scandals by pointing a finger at other church bodies, reported The Guardian.

Tomasi cited statistics to argue that no more than 5% of Catholic clergy were involved in sexual abuse, claiming that the majority of American churches struggling with abuse allegations were Protestant.

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The Vatican have always said that it isn't paedophilia but rather Ephebophilia, which they say is just gay. That suits them as they're always saying gays are bad, m'kay?

Vatican: Ephebophilia, Not Pedophilia
By Julie Bolcer

The Vatican has suggested that instances of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests would be more accurately described as ephebophilia -- attraction to mid to late adolescents -- rather than pedophilia.

Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, the Vatican’s permanent observer to the United Nations, argued for the change in terminology in a statement following a meeting of the U.N. human rights council in Geneva.

"Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90 percent belong to this sexual orientation minority which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17,” said Tomasi, according to London's The Guardian newspaper.

In the statement, Tomasi also attempted to deflect criticism of the Vatican’s handling of sexual abuse scandals by pointing a finger at other church bodies, reported The Guardian.

Tomasi cited statistics to argue that no more than 5% of Catholic clergy were involved in sexual abuse, claiming that the majority of American churches struggling with abuse allegations were Protestant.

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Interesting, because another thing this report supposedly said was that the reason there were more boys being abused than girls was that the priests had access to boys more than girls. Therefore, surely the gay argument is moot, according to the Vatican now.

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Tomasi cited statistics to argue that no more than 5% of Catholic clergy were involved in sexual abuse, claiming that the majority of American churches struggling with abuse allegations were Protestant.

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That's their defence?  :o

One in twenty are 'possibly' child molesters?

That's a good point in their eyes?

I don't get it. Then again, I don't get religion so I'm probably just stupid.......or a heathen.

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Kenny slams Vatican inaction on abuse claims


The Pope’s ambassador to Ireland has been ordered to get answers from the Vatican on damning revelations that it allowed priests to ignore the law.

Papal Nuncio Archbishop Giuseppe Leanza was told to take a message to the Holy See that the Irish Government believes its conduct in clerical child abuse inquiries has been disgraceful and unacceptable.

The Catholic hierarchy in Rome stand accused of effectively briefing clergy in a 1997 letter to allow them to defy guidelines and not report paedophiles in their ranks.

Pressure is also intensifying on disgraced former bishop John Magee — found to have misled authorities over abuse allegations in the Diocese of Cloyne in Co Cork as recently as 2008 — to come out of hiding.

He resigned in 2010 but two bishops have led calls for him to publicly answer for his failures.

Amid the increasingly damaging fall-out from a report in the Cloyne Diocese, Taoiseach Enda Kenny warned that canon law and church policy would never again defend priests for failing to report abuse allegations.

“The law of the land should not be stopped by crozier, or by collar,” Mr Kenny said.

Eamon Gilmore, Tánaiste and Foreign Affairs Minister, said he has warned the Archbishop about a new law of five years’ jail for anyone who does not alert authorities about crimes against a child.

“I told him that the Government considered it unacceptable that the Vatican intervention may have led priests to believe that they could in conscience evade their responsibilities under Irish laws,” the Tanaiste said.

“I told him that I believed that a response is required and I look forward to receiving it.”

The Archbishop, who was summoned to the Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin for a second time in two years in the wake of a damning report on clerical abuse, was given a copy of the Cloyne report to pass on to the Vatican.

He refused to answer questions after the meeting but said he was distressed by the findings, which go to heart of the Church.

“Naturally I`m very distressed myself at the failures in ensuring the protection of children within the Church, despite all the good work that has been done,” he said in a brief statement outside Iveagh House.

“I wish to stress however, the total commitment of the Holy See for its part in taking all the necessary measures to ensure the protection.”

Former bishop Magee is no longer living in Cloyne and has told a spokesman he does not want to add to a statement issued yesterday where he apologised and said he accepted the findings of the report.

The Vatican’s most senior spokesman Fr Federico Lombardi declined to answer questions on the scandal – the fourth major clerical abuse inquiry in Ireland to rock the Church.

The report on Cloyne covers the 13 years up to 2009 and contains devastating criticisms which go right to the top of the Catholic Church. It is the second expose by Judge Yvonne Murphy. It accused the Holy See of an “entirely unhelpful” reaction to inquiries.

The Government has branded the 1997 letter, which came a year after Irish bishops set down reporting guidelines to enhance child protection, unfortunate and unacceptable.

The correspondence stated that the bishops policy was “merely a discussion document” and that the Vatican had serious moral and canon reservations about mandatory reporting of clerical abuse.

The Taoiseach said: “I think this is absolutely disgraceful that the Vatican took the view that it did in respect of something that’s as sensitive and as personal with such long-lasting difficulties for persons involved.”

The report singled out Bishop Magee, a personal secretary to three popes, for misleading inquiries into the mishandling of abuse claims.

It found Rome effectively gave him carte blanche to ignore guidelines and offer “comfort and support” to senior clerics such as his second-in-command, Monsignor Denis O’Callaghan, who defied official policy on paedophile priests and did not believe they should be reported to authorities.

The Taoiseach added: “In situations where these appalling activities took place let them be reported and let the law of the land apply.

“So from that perspective, irrespective of the location or circumstance of the persons involved, this is not about Ireland of long ago, it’s about the Ireland of contemporary times and it’s now got to be dealt with.”

Two Socialist Party TDs called for Archbishop Leanza to be expelled from Ireland over the scandal. It is understood such a dramatic move is not being considered by the Government.

Fine Gael TD Charlie Flanagan also said Archbishop Leanza should be expelled.

“The position of the Papal Nuncio is untenable,” he said.

Mr Flanagan said there were no circumstances in which canon law could take precedence over civil or criminal law.

“As an ambassador of the Vatican state, he should leave the jurisdiction,” he added.

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Fair play to Kenny. Now we need to see some action.

And, CJ Cregg had nothing to say. Diddums.
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Got it now. Thought they were saying just two.  :duh

Heard another bishop yesterday saying he hadn't a clue where he was. Of course he would say that. If he's in the Vatican can he be extradited?

The Vatican has an extradition treaty with the US, so I would be shocked if they did not have one with all the EU countries.

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The Vatican has an extradition treaty with the US, so I would be shocked if they did not have one with all the EU countries.

Cheers SP. I actually looked it up and found out we don't. We only have extradition treaties with the US, the 27 members of the EU and Australia. We can request it but I doubt it'll be accepted. Will try to find the link.

Edit: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Extradition
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Anyone familiar with the history of the vatican wouldn't be surprised by this or pretty much anything from that mob, biggest hypocrites on the planet.
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Massive blow this for the church in Ireland. In the mid 80's I was amazed how many people kept throwing money into the collection plate every week, when the church came begging for funds. Now under what appears to be a similar economic climate the church's pull in asking parishioners to cough up money that probably end up going towards compensating their abuse.

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Cheers SP. I actually looked it up and found out we don't. We only have extradition treaties with the US, the 27 members of the EU and Australia. We can request it but I doubt it'll be accepted. Will try to find the link.

Edit: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Extradition

Perhaps we should go back to basic baiting techniques, the good old 'child on a length of rope' never fails.

Fair play to Enda Kenny, strong words indeed but more of these sanctimonious bastards need to be held to account, plus the Church needs to be completely removed from Government.

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Vatican recalls Irish ambassador over child sex abuse row

Giuseppe Leanza returns to Rome after Irish prime minister accuses Catholic church of attempting to frustrate Cloyne inquiry

    Henry McDonald
    guardian.co.uk, Monday 25 July 2011 11.24 BST

The Vatican has recalled its ambassador to Ireland after the publication of a devastating report criticising the church's handling of clerical sex abuse in county Cork.

Vatican Radio said the papal nuncio, Giuseppe Leanza, was being called back to Rome for consultations over the Cloyne report, which accused the church authorities, right up to the Vatican itself, of frustrating attempts by Irish police to investigate numerous complaints against priests relating to child sexual abuse.

The Irish prime minister, Enda Kenny, launched a blistering attack last week on the Vatican for what he said was an attempt to frustrate the Cloyne inquiry. He accused the Vatican of downplaying the rape of children in order to protect its power and reputation.

The Taoiseach said that since making that speech, he had been inundated with thousands of messages ofsupport. His Fine Gael party has traditionally been one of the two main parties protective of the power and privilege of the Catholic church in Ireland.

Speaking in Donegal at the weekend, Kenny said he was "astounded" by the response to his words.

"The fact that I have had thousands of messages from around the world speaks for itself about the impact and the way people feel," he said.

"The numbers of members of the clergy who have been in touch in the last few days to say it is about time somebody spoke out about these matters in a situation like you are, has astounded me."

After his address to the McGill summer school, Kenny received a standing ovation from the participants.

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All these abusive priests need to be locked up soon, and not get away with it like the bankers.

We should also put out international arrest warrants to get those in the Vatican who covered it up. Its unlikely anyone from the Vatican would be extradited, but we need to signal our intent, and really rock the church to the core. If Benedict is involved, his name should be heading that list.

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I'll also add the Garda who colluded and government ministers who helped cover it up.

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Vatican recalls Irish ambassador over child sex abuse row

Giuseppe Leanza returns to Rome after Irish prime minister accuses Catholic church of attempting to frustrate Cloyne inquiry

   


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A little background info....


Since the mid 1990s the Catholic church's reputation has been slowly eroding amid a deluge of damaging revelations about its priests, religious orders and the institutions they run.

If you want to find a starting point for this decline the best place to begin is probably in 1992, when under massive pressure from the Catholic right the Republic tried to re-introduce internment on the island of Ireland – this time for a 14-year-old rape victim.

The girl at the heart of this story had been raped in Dublin and sought to terminate her pregnancy in England. However, when the attorney general department learned of this they attempted to force her to remain against her wishes in Ireland.

Thus began a constitutional and legal battle over conflicting rights, with the rape victim's lawyers arguing that under EU law she had a right to travel and indeed a right to life, as an enforced pregnancy brought up by rape might end in her taking her own life.

This became known as the X-Case and it resulted in the Republic being tried in the court of international public opinion and portrayed through the democratic world as an uncaring society more worried about finger-wagging, moralising bishops and cardinals than the child victims of sexual assault.

That accusation has come back to haunt the church and state over and over again in the subsequent years since the X-case.

She won her right to travel to the UK to terminate the pregnancy and the legal battle established a precedent in terms of right to travel and, eventually, the right to abortion information although abortion itself is still illegal in the Republic.

Following the X-case there were a series of horrific stories that broke about members of the Catholic clergy raping, beating and abusing children either in care or under their pastoral guidance.

The most notorious of these abusers was Father Brendan Smyth, a serial sexual predator of children who even after the Catholic hierarchy learned of his crimes in the 1970s kept moving him around not only Ireland but also the United States.

The church's decision to keep the scandal hidden allowed Smyth to continue abusing children for years before the police in Northern Ireland finally caught up with him after receiving allegations from some of his victims.

The Smyth scandal and the disclosure that the authorities were complicit in the cover-up led to the collapse of the Fianna Fáil-Labour government, which at the time was basking in the glow of helping to secure the IRA's 1994 ceasefire. Yet it was only the start.

Hundreds of victims started coming forward including one time "inmates" of Dublin's Artane Industrial school which was run by the Christian Brothers. One of the orphanage-cum-prison workshop's most famous "rebels" known as the Steve McQueen of Artane came forward to the Observer back in 1999 and gave a detailed account of the abuse, both sexual and physical, that was rife throughout the school.

Thomas "Anto" Clarke's testimony to the Observer indirectly led to the establishment of one of the most tenacious, campaigning victims groups – the Irish Survivors of Child Abuse.

Since there have been several extremely detailed and devastating independent reports shining light into Catholic dioceses where clerical sex abuse was not only rife but in the main covered up.

The latest of these was the Cloyne Report which showed that not only the local bishop, John Magee, but also the Vatican were still obstructing the civil power, ie the Garda Síochána, in their inquiries into allegations against priests in the County Cork diocese.

The fact that this was going up to only three years ago is part of the reason for the unprecedented outrage within the Irish parliament this week. Because despite protestations from the Irish church and Rome that they had changed, that new guidelines on child protection were being adhered to, the clerical authorities were still behaving as if it was the old days when they dealt with this sort of things behind closed doors, away from the rigours of the laws everyone has to abide by.

What makes the verbal sortie on the Vatican so groundbreaking however is that it is a Fine Gael taoiseach, whose political base lies in the conservative west of Ireland, who has led from the front.

Once upon a time not long ago Fine Gael leaders were even more strident in their defence of the Catholic church's "special position" within Irish life as drawn up in Éamon de Valera's 1937 constitution.

In the great battles of personal liberty and sexual freedom from the 1960s onwards it was leading figures in Fine Gael who manned the barricades for traditional Catholicism as they tried to hold back the tide of liberalism surging in from Britain, Europe and North America.

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Surprised the Kenny speech hasn't generated more publicity (outside Ireland at least). It seems hugely important, not only in the context of the ongoing scandal about child abuse by priests, but in the context of Irish history. In a way it redeems the promise of those late-19th century Home Rulers who insisted that an independent and democratic Irish republic would hold no special favours for the Church of Rome. Kenny has just kicked the Vatican in the teeth. That's good. 
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Vatican nuncio to Ireland moving to Czech Republic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14334385

The Vatican's nuncio to Ireland is to be transferred to the Czech Republic.

The Pope recalled Archbishop Giuseppe Leanza following criticism of the Catholic Church by the Taoiseach Enda Kenny.

The remarks followed the publication of the Cloyne report into the church's mishandling of cases of clerical sex abuse in County Cork.

In a blistering attack, Mr Kenny accused the church of putting its reputation ahead of child rape victims.

After the recall, vice-director of the Vatican press office Father Ciro Benedettini said the nuncio's recall "should be interpreted as an expression of the desire of the Holy See for serious and effective collaboration with the (Irish) government".

He added that it "denotes the seriousness of the situation and the Holy See's desire to face it objectively and determinately.

"Nor does it exclude some degree of surprise and disappointment at certain excessive reactions."


Irish Deputy Prime Minister Eamon Gilmore said the decision to recall the nuncio was a matter for the Holy See.

"The government is awaiting the response of the Holy See to the recent report into the Catholic Diocese of Cloyne and it is to be expected that the Vatican would wish to consult in depth with the Nuncio on its response."



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Its fantastic, we could be the country to turn them over.

You get the feeling that most of the Vatican's shock comes from their idea that our  nation is a loyal subject and that we'll most likely cave in at any moment begging them for their moral guidance in a world gone mad.

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"After the recall, vice-director of the Vatican press office Father Ciro Benedettini said the nuncio's recall "should be interpreted as an expression of the desire of the Holy See for serious and effective collaboration with the (Irish) government".

He added that it "denotes the seriousness of the situation and the Holy See's desire to face it objectively and determinately.

"Nor does it exclude some degree of surprise and disappointment at certain excessive reactions."

I love how recalling their rep is supposed to advance collaboration :0

I also love that they are surprised and disappointed at a speech criticising them, but not at institutionalised rape, buggery, assault and neglect of children by their own organisation.

They do make me wish there really is a hell, just so there is somewhere that Popes and Bishops can be spitted on a devil's cock over a nice fire, for all eternity
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The tide is turning on them and with that the nation can break from its chains, shur you'll still have the odd loon rattling rosary beads but it feels like the majority want something different. Hopefully this will see ourselves into being a secular nation.

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The tide is turning on them and with that the nation can break from its chains, shur you'll still have the odd loon rattling rosary beads but it feels like the majority want something different. Hopefully this will see ourselves into being a secular nation.


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A priest (81) has been sentenced to jail today for sexually abusing a woman in Dublin in the 1980s.

Paul McGennis, of Holy Cross Diocesan Centre, Clonliffe Road, Dublin 3, pleaded guilty to eight sample counts of indecent assault on the female at two locations in the city on dates between June 1980 and May 1984.

He was this morning sentenced to six years in prison, with four years of that suspended due to his age and health, the guilty plea entered, and a financial contribution he made to his victim. McGennis was sentenced to two years for lesser charges, but both sentences are to run concurrently.

At a hearing earlier this month, Judge Desmond Hogan remanded McGennis on continuing bail and will sentence him today.

The court heard the abuse took place in the priest’s house in one Dublin parish and continued after he moved to another in the city.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0729/breaking18.html

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A priest (81) has been sentenced to jail today for sexually abusing a woman in Dublin in the 1980s.

Paul McGennis, of Holy Cross Diocesan Centre, Clonliffe Road, Dublin 3, pleaded guilty to eight sample counts of indecent assault on the female at two locations in the city on dates between June 1980 and May 1984.

He was this morning sentenced to six years in prison, with four years of that suspended due to his age and health, the guilty plea entered, and a financial contribution he made to his victim. McGennis was sentenced to two years for lesser charges, but both sentences are to run concurrently.

At a hearing earlier this month, Judge Desmond Hogan remanded McGennis on continuing bail and will sentence him today.

The court heard the abuse took place in the priest’s house in one Dublin parish and continued after he moved to another in the city.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0729/breaking18.html

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He was this morning sentenced to six years in prison, with four years of that suspended due to his age and health, the guilty plea entered, and a financial contribution he made to his victim.

Wonder where he got that?

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Wonder where he got that?
Myself and yourself most likely.

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Wonder where he got that?

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I'm going for Jesus, Matthew the Apostle or Vincent de Paul
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If they live here and pay tax, then they are most certainly payin..

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Re: Vatican letter told Ireland's Catholic bishops not to report child abuse
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2011, 02:49:42 pm »
Holland gets their turn in the shitlight....

Dutch RC Church knew about abuse

Roman Catholic orders, congregations and dioceses knew about the abuse of minors in Catholic institutions, but failed to help the victims or take action against the abusers.

This is the conclusion of the Deetman Inquiry which on Friday published its final report on abuse in the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands.

The report points to the inadequate organisation, and the closed culture of the Dutch church province as the main reason for its inadequate response to the widespread abuse. The church also sought to avoid a scandal.

Inquiry Chair Wim Deetman, a former education minister, estimates that between 10,000 and 20,000 minors were abused in Catholic boarding schools, children’s homes and orphanages. In several thousand cases the abuse could be characterised as very serious.

The Deetman Inquiry was able to identify 800 of the abusers. It received more than 2,000 reports, 1,800 of which involved sexual abuse. The abusers were, or are, active in dioceses, congregations and orders. At least 105 of them are still alive. Mr Deetman could not say how many of these 105 are still active in the Roman Catholic Church.
In the report, Mr Deetman argues for a government-controlled approach to sexual and physical abuse of minors.

Celibacy
The report says that the Roman Catholic Church’s compulsory celibate was not a crucial factor in the abuse, but was an additional risk factor. Mr Deetman writes that this obligation makes priests vulnerable to transgressive behaviour. The Inquiry feels that those who, often in their formative years, decided to become priests did not fully realise what their choice would entail.

For its investigation, the Deetman Inquiry studied the archives of dioceses, religious orders and congregations. It held a large-scale survey, studied international literature on the subject and met numerous current and former church officials.

Chesal and Dohmen
The Inquiry was prompted by reports published by investigative journalists Robert Chesal from Radio Netherlands Worldwide and his colleague Joep Dohmen from broadsheet NRC Handelsblad. In February 2010 they published a report on abuse by the Salesian Fathers at the Don Rua boarding school in 's Heerenberg in the 1960s. It was later followed by reports on other Catholic institutions.

“Little promise for the future”
Victims’ organisation Klokk says the conclusions of the Deetman Inquiry are even more shocking than they had expected. Klokk says the passive attitude of the Roman Catholic Church “holds little promise for the future.”

The Dutch bishops and the Conference of Members of Dutch Religious Orders have announced they will hold a press conference on Friday afternoon.

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The Anglicans are now getting in on the act...

Two arrested in Anglican child abuse investigation

(AFP) – 1 day ago

Two men in their 70s were arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of sexual abuse of young men and children as police investigate claims of abuses by Church of England vicars decades ago.

Sussex police said that child protection detectives had been investigating the allegations for six months after a confidential review by former top judge Elizabeth Butler-Sloss of abuse claims in the Diocese of Chichester.

The arrests come two days after the Church of England said it was "deeply sorry" for allowing a convicted paedophile to be ordained as a priest in the same diocese in 1966.

A 73-year-old man was arrested near Eastbourne on Tuesday on suspicion of nine sexual assaults on young people in West Sussex, Barkingside and Hampshire between 1965 and 1972.

The second man, aged 70, was arrested in Eastbourne over the sexual assaults of three young men in West Sussex in the 1970s and 1980s.

Three of the sexual abuse claims had previously been reported and investigated, but none was taken to a criminal trial, police said. The others had emerged in the course of the latest inquiry.

Bishops have faced tough questions as to why action was not taken earlier to stop abuse in the area, after a growing scandal that echoes those exposed in the Roman Catholic church.

Detective Chief Inspector Carwyn Hughes said: "Although they have been arrested on the same day the cases against the two men are being treated as separate enquiries at this stage. The offences were allegedly committed at different times and in different places from each other. "The re-investigation of these cases has taken six months. This is a very complex enquiry, in the course of which many people, all now adults, have had to be traced, together with other witnesses and records from a wide variety of sources. "There are no allegations of recent or current offending and police emphasise that there is nothing to suggest that any children are currently at risk."

She added that the diocese was co-operating fully with police.

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Vatican reports on Irish child abuse scandals

The Vatican has expressed its "dismay and betrayal" at the "sinful and criminal acts" by Catholic clergy guilty of child abuse across Ireland.

In a report published on Tuesday, it called for a "new focus on the laity" within the Irish Catholic Church.

The scandals had "opened many wounds", it said, and lay people had "lost trust in their pastors".

The report acknowledged "innocent young people" were abused by clerics to whose care they had been entrusted.

It said that "those who should have exercised vigilance often failed to do so effectively".

'Tainted'

The report also said that good priests felt "unjustly tainted" and not defended by superiors.

"Bishops and superiors have often felt isolated as they sought to confront the wave of indignation and, at times, they have found it difficult to agree on a common line of action," the report said.

It recommended continued support for the victims and survivors of Catholic clerical abuse in Ireland.

The report also sought to bring the Irish Church back into line with the teachings of Rome.

"The Visitators also encountered a certain tendency, not dominant but nevertheless fairly widespread among priests, religious and laity, to hold theological opinions at variance with the teachings of the Magisterium, this serious situation requires particular attention," said the report.

Finally, it also called on the Irish Catholic community to "makes its voice heard" in the media.

It said that the community should establish "a proper relationship" with journalists with the aim of "making known the truth of the Gospel and the Church's life".

Speaking after the publication of the report, Primate of Ireland Sean Brady said it was a "helpful snapshot of a key moment on the ongoing journey of renewal".

He said Irish bishops wished to associate themselves with "the sense of pain and shame" expressed in the findings.

"Innocent young people were abused by clerics and religious to whose care they had been entrusted, while those who should have exercised vigilance often failed to do so effectively," he said.

Cardinal Brady called for a united Church.

Closed doors

He particularly welcomed the Vatican's call for "a new focus on the laity" and the need for a "proper relationship" with the Irish media.

Commenting on the report, Michael Kelly from the newspaper, the Irish Catholic, said: "There is a focus on the victims, a renewal of apologies and an acceptance of the great damage that has been done".

Mr Kelly said the report carried "a very clear warning that says authentic renewal cannot be brought about by dissent from Church teaching."

"There was a feeling that the spirit of the sixties had infected the seminaries too much," he said, adding that there was a sense of the current Pope looking forward to a Church where there might be "fewer but truer" Catholics.

Colm O'Gorman, a high profile campaigner who sued the Catholic Church over the abuse he suffered as a child, called the report "farcical".

He said the Church had to "be dragged kicking and screaming through the courts of opinion and the courts of law".

"The suggestion that they are going to address this by dealing with the whole issue of contamination of seminarians is backward looking and disingenuous," he said.

Margaret McGuckin from Survivors and Victims of Institutional Abuse, (Savia), was abused as a child at Nazareth House in Belfast.

She and other members of her group met Cardinal Brady earlier this month to seek his cooperation in a forthcoming inquiry, ordered by the NI Executive, into allegations of clerical abuse in Northern Ireland.

"We, in the north, have been ignored," she said.

"They have set up a counselling service but many of our people ignore this. They find it hard to trust."

Seven teams

The report is a summary of what seven teams of Vatican-appointed church leaders observed when they visited four Archdioceses across Ireland over the last two years.

It looked at the Church' s dealings with survivors of abuse and current child protection policies.

Some of the teams met victims and concerned Catholics in advertised locations, as well as individual survivors behind closed doors.

The report was promised two years ago by Pope Benedict XVI in his letter to Catholics in Ireland.

The Pope expressed horror in the wake of the Ryan and Murphy reports, which revealed a 70-year history of child abuse by a significant number of priests, brothers and nuns and cover-ups by their religious superiors.

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Erreee, they fuckin' knew all along. They're the religious equivalent of Enron; not an ethical bone in their bodies.

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Erreee, they fuckin' knew all along. They're the religious equivalent of Enron; not an ethical bone in their bodies.
just look at the Title of this thread!

and this long series of cases is limited to child abuse, they were also vicious thugs too who severely beat kids