Author Topic: Turkey - military on the streets (Read 33990 times)

rawcusk8 · « **Reply #80 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:16:08 pm »

My friend is out there alone.. In Istanbul, her flights been cancelled and ordered to stay indoors. Apparently gunshots in Istanbul airport :/ not a good situation for her to be in, very worrying.

The North Bank · « **Reply #81 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:17:02 pm »

This won't be bloodless, no coup is. The president was democratically elected. Turkey is also a massive country so it'll take a long time for the confusion to die down. I doubt the entire army are in on it.

AB LFC · « **Reply #82 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:18:24 pm »

Quote from: Libertine on July 15, 2016, 11:15:28 pm

There's been coups in Turkey in 1960, 1971, 1980 and 1997. It's nothing new.

Just talking about the whole world in general. So much killing and corruption, certainly didnt feel like it was this bad a few years ago.

Craig S · « **Reply #83 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:21:29 pm »

Quote from: monkeyharris on July 15, 2016, 11:14:10 pm

Erdogans call to the streets gonna lead to bloodshed tonight..looks like it's started
Out of interest does anyone know how the Istanbul footy teams Ultras line up..does one team support Erdogans government more than the other..they gonna get involved?

Beşiktaş are anarchist and socialist. See themselves similar to St Pauli. Lads I know hate Erdogan but want him removed democratically, so they hate both sides.

stoa · « **Reply #84 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:22:29 pm »

Quote from: AB LFC on July 15, 2016, 11:18:24 pm

Just talking about the whole world in general. So much killing and corruption, certainly didnt feel like it was this bad a few years ago.

I remember when I was a kid in the mid 80s and loads of horrible things were going on all over the world. In Israel, Britain, Corsica and various other places. Not even taking into account that there were still politicians on both sides of the iron curtain with their finger over the button to nuclear destruction. Events like tonight or yesterday in Nice are horrible, but they are nothing new or a sign that the world will end tomorrow...

CheshireDave · « **Reply #85 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:22:58 pm »

These live pictures show pro government supporters having seized a tank!

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqJDbWdbgoKV

redmark · « **Reply #86 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:23:51 pm »

Quote from: Ralphie Wiggum on July 15, 2016, 11:13:03 pm

So, the military has taken over your country, your position is under threat. What do you do? Tell unarmed civilians to go to the streets despite a curfew and martial law being in place. That's clearly the right thing to do...

It is. Ignoring the rights and wrongs in this particular case, coups can be defeated only if the army is divided, or there's an immediate popular protest against it causing the army to back down.

If there was a coup in the UK, wouldn't you protest?

Soldiers are people. They'll generally follow orders to take control of a government building - but think twice before opening fire on crowds of people (and may even switch sides).

Libertine · « **Reply #87 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:25:02 pm »

This is going to get very messy now....

https://twitter.com/AydinCingoz/status/754070826815807488

ChrisOH · « **Reply #88 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:25:25 pm »

Have people just been shot on that bridge in Istanbul as they where marching towards the armed forces with the flag?

The North Bank · « **Reply #89 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:27:48 pm »

Tanks have now opened fire around the Turkish parliament.
Some indication that the people who carried out the coup are citing human right abuses and violation of Turkish law by Erdogan as reasons for the coup.

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #90 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:28:09 pm »

Seeking british asylum now too apparently. can get to fuck

stoa · « **Reply #91 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:31:12 pm »

Quote from: redmark on July 15, 2016, 11:23:51 pm

It is. Ignoring the rights and wrongs in this particular case, coups can be defeated only if the army is divided, or there's an immediate popular protest against it causing the army to back down.

If there was a coup in the UK, wouldn't you protest?

Soldiers are people. They'll generally follow orders to take control of a government building - but think twice before opening fire on crowds of people (and may even switch sides).

Depends on the people in charge of the country. Would I protest for someone like Erdogan? Someone who is putting people he doesn't like in jail? Someone who's suppressing the media? Someone who seems to be in it to line his own and his family's pockets? Someone who doesn't give a fuck about the people? Someone who's suppressing minorities? Definitely not...

redmark · « **Reply #92 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:32:18 pm »

Suggestions that this might only be a small section of the military - the announced curfew is clearly being ignored in both Istanbul and Ankara, with very little military effort to stop that.

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B0151? · « **Reply #93 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:32:35 pm »

Quote from: The North Bank on July 15, 2016, 11:27:48 pm

Tanks have now opened fire around the Turkish parliament.
Some indication that the people who carried out the coup are citing human right abuses and violation of Turkish law by Erdogan as reasons for the coup.

They are always going to cite stuff like that as the reasons though

It doesn't mean what will follow will be any better (not that you're saying it will)

please, I have my reasons for it but... · « **Reply #94 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:34:22 pm »

This is going to get messy, CNN showing people getting shot at.

redmark · « **Reply #95 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:35:49 pm »

Quote from: Ralphie Wiggum on July 15, 2016, 11:31:12 pm

Depends on the people in charge of the country. Would I protest for someone like Erdogan? Someone who is putting people he doesn't like in jail? Someone who's suppressing the media? Someone who seems to be in it to line his own and his family's pockets? Someone who doesn't give a fuck about the people? Someone who's suppressing minorities? Definitely not...

He was elected so presumably does retain a lot of support and it will be his supporters protesting. Would you protest for a government you supported? That's the comparison, not your view of that particular government.

B0151? · « **Reply #96 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:37:09 pm »

Hard to see this not resulting in a lot of pain and oppression whatever way it turns out

CheshireDave · « **Reply #97 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:37:17 pm »

Quote from: ChrisOH on July 15, 2016, 11:25:25 pm

Have people just been shot on that bridge in Istanbul as they where marching towards the armed forces with the flag?

Just seen videos which confirms this.

Sky saying no reports of people being hurt. I have just seen video of people being carried away after being shot.

terrible suits · « **Reply #98 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:37:40 pm »

Quote from: RideTheWalrus on July 15, 2016, 11:28:09 pm

Seeking british asylum now too apparently. can get to fuck

Good luck with that.

elsewhere · « **Reply #99 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:40:06 pm »

I am in Turkey at the moment and seems like things calmed down a bit. I think worst government it better than a military coup but that being said, i wouldn't mind if they have taken down Erdogan and his key people.

redmark · « **Reply #100 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:41:12 pm »

Looks like a couple of dead bodies being carried away.

XabiAlonsosBeard · « **Reply #101 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:42:57 pm »

A couple of decent Twitter accounts with regular updates.

Mahir Zeynalov (@MahirZeynalov) | Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/MahirZeynalov

Ahmet A. Sabancı (@ahmetasabanci) | Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/ahmetasabanci

redmark · « **Reply #102 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:45:21 pm »

Guardian feed with a photo and caption suggesting police are arresting soldiers.

DJBrenton · « **Reply #103 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:58:20 pm »

President of Turkey reported to be flying to London to seek asylum. Good job our Foreign Secretary is an experienced statesman, and not a complete newcomer whose last communication with the Turkish President was to write a poem about him having sex with a goat.

lfcthekop · « **Reply #104 on:** July 15, 2016, 11:58:39 pm »

I have family in turkey on holiday, im kinda worried now.

outlaw_nas · « **Reply #105 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:02:27 am »

Real question: Will US media and President Barack Obama still ignore Turkey's requests for US-based Imam Gulen's extradition?

elsewhere · « **Reply #106 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:03:38 am »

17 policemen killed in Golbasi

elsewhere · « **Reply #107 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:05:10 am »

Quote from: outlaw_nas on July 16, 2016, 12:02:27 am

Real question: Will US media and President Barack Obama still ignore Turkey's requests for US-based Imam Gulen's extradition?

He should and rightfully so. You should not forget Gulen and Tayyip was on each other's lap corrupting the country for first 12 years of AKP

elsewhere · « **Reply #108 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:06:30 am »

Quote from: lfcthekop on July 15, 2016, 11:58:39 pm

I have family in turkey on holiday, im kinda worried now.

Don't worry man, they should be safe but they should avoid public places, squares, boulevards.Those who are on streets and jumping on tanks are AKP supporters who hate foreigners,liberals,secular people.

lindylou100 · « **Reply #109 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:09:09 am »

Quote from: lfcthekop on July 15, 2016, 11:58:39 pm

I have family in turkey on holiday, im kinda worried now.

They should be ok, just to stay indoors.

elsewhere · « **Reply #110 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:09:51 am »

Evan (Muslim worship call) coming from mosques (few hours earlier than usual and repeatedly this time) and a brief talk from imams, obviously asking mumins to support the radical islamic AKP government regime. And we say we are "secular country"

tinman1 · « **Reply #111 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:14:03 am »

Helicopter gunfire at the people on the ground Take a look at @Conflicts's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754087041403682816?s=09

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The North Bank · « **Reply #112 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:14:20 am »

Reports are that a fighter jet shot down a military helicopter used in the coup.
17 Turkish officers killed in a helicopter attack on Turkish special forces in a police headquarters in ankara.
Its all madness .

The North Bank · « **Reply #113 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:20:55 am »

It does seem that the police and the military are on opposite sides of the coup.

kaiser franz · « **Reply #114 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:34:24 am »

It seems to me that Erdogan won it.

elsewhere · « **Reply #115 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:36:31 am »

Quote from: kaiser franz on July 16, 2016, 12:34:24 am

It seems to me that Erdogan won it.

i won't be surprised if he set up the whole script.

FlashingBlade · « **Reply #116 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:37:19 am »

This is what happens when we the world losses its collective memory and right wing politics take over...

kaiser franz · « **Reply #117 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:41:27 am »

Quote from: elsewhere on July 16, 2016, 12:36:31 am

i won't be surprised if he set up the whole script.

Nah generals misread popular support and fucked up,and that moron Obama and Mogherini gave support to glorious sultan.

elsewhere · « **Reply #118 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:43:22 am »

It's been over an hour here and ezan sounds from mosques simultaneously, then asking people to go outside for Quran and Allah.
Likely bid to get AKP supporters on streets (just the way Erdogan asked to). In Islam, if you hear ezan in unusual time (prayer calls from mosques) it means call for jihad.

kaiser franz · « **Reply #119 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:45:55 am »

Quote from: elsewhere on July 16, 2016, 12:43:22 am

It's been over an hour here and ezan sounds from mosques simultaneously, then asking people to go outside for Quran and Allah.
Likely bid to get AKP supporters on streets (just the way Erdogan asked to). In Islam, if you hear ezan in unusual time (prayer calls from mosques) it means call for jihad.

Turkey is fucked up now,Erdogan gonna seize complete power now,remove all enemies and bye,bye Ataturk secularism and democracy then.