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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2021, 03:24:56 am »
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2021, 02:15:26 pm »
As I've said, the far-right modern Repugs are merely exploiting existing feelings of hopelessness amongst tens of millions of Americans who are living through the disintegration of the American Dream bullshit. Their nationalistic and economically hard-right indoctrination from birth means that they won't blame the failing corporate-capitalist system that inevitably breeds economic inequality, as the true core culprit. They instead blame paper demons put up by the right (like 'liberals', immigrants, leftists, etc)

When you then have rabidly right-wing/pro-Orange c*nt sections of the media being so blatant as this (and backed up with social media echo chambers), it's a recipe for increasing zealotry:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1438503498690154497

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2021, 10:15:28 am »
As per title: I suggest it is because of people like this; the televisual equivalent of having 'c*nt' tattooed on your forehead.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2021, 07:16:58 pm »
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U.S. pastors, advocacy groups mobilize against COVID-19 vaccine mandates
By Tom Hals  8 hrs ago


From the outside, First Harvest Ministries in Waveland, Mississippi, could almost be mistaken for a storage shed were it not for the steeple.

From the modest building however, Shane Vaughn, the Pentecostal church's pastor, has helped spearhead an online movement promoting personal faith as a way around workplace COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

He posts form letters for U.S. workers seeking religious exemptions that have been downloaded from his website around 40,000 times, according to a screen shot of web traffic he shared with Reuters.

"This is the only way out," said Vaughn, 48, of the letters, which he makes available for free, that mix Biblical scripture with warnings to employers of legal fallout if they are disregarded.

As the Biden administration prepares a federal vaccine mandate and more states and companies impose them to help accelerate the pandemic's end, letter-writing efforts by religious leaders are being reinforced by legal advocacy groups such as Liberty Counsel.

The organization said it has sent more than 100 letters to companies including United Airlines Holdings Inc and Tyson Foods Inc vowing litigation if they improperly reject religious exemption requests.

United spokeswoman Leslie Scott said the airline received the letter but it had no impact on the company's actions. Tyson did not comment on the letter.

United said about 2,000 of its 67,000 U.S. employees have requested religious or medical exemptions. Tyson said only a "small percentage" of its more than 100,000 employees had requested religious or medical accommodations ahead of its Nov. 1 deadline.

U.S. employers are required by law to make reasonable job changes to accommodate a person's religious beliefs, although they can seek information to determine if the beliefs are religious in nature and "sincerely held."

Many employers want regulators to provide guidance for scrutinizing exemption requests to help protect them from lawsuits alleging they were wrongly denied, said Roger King, of the HR Policy Association, a forum for large companies.

While few organized religions oppose vaccines, according research by Vanderbilt University Medical Center, U.S. law defines religion very broadly to include unfamiliar belief systems with few adherents.

'DEALING WITH THEM ON A MASS BASIS'

Employment lawyers said form letters taken off the internet might suggest a person's beliefs are not sincere, but it would be difficult for an employer to determine that. Employers could be on stronger legal ground to reject exemption requests that are based on verifiable false statements about the vaccines, the lawyers said.

"Religious exemption requests have over years been much more rare and now we're dealing with them on a mass basis," said Kimberly Harding, an employment lawyer at Nixon Peabody, which advises companies.

Temple University Health System in Philadelphia, which employs 10,700 people, has already received 180 religious exemption requests, a significant increase from what it usually gets for its annual flu shot requirement, said John Lasky, the system's chief human resources officer.

Some of the exemption request forms included letter attachments that used similar phrasing, which Lasky said might indicate coaching, although he said they were not a determining factor in whether a request was granted.

What mattered was whether the person could articulate how their beliefs prevented them from getting the COVID-19 vaccine, such as if they "tied it to eternal damnation," Lasky said.

In at least one case, an employer reversed its decision to deny a religious exemption after receiving a letter from Liberty Counsel.

Lehigh Valley Health Network in Pennsylvania told a nursing student on Sept. 7 it was rejecting her request because it was based on a "factually incorrect" link between vaccines and aborted fetal cells, according to correspondence disclosed by Liberty Counsel that redacted the student's name.

A week later, Liberty Counsel sent a seven-page letter to Lehigh citing health officials in North Dakota and Louisiana who said there was a link between the vaccines and fetal cells. The group demanded Lehigh either approve the student's request or face "prompt litigation."

It approved the request the next day. Lehigh did not respond to requests for comment.

A Vaughn letter turned up in one of the few successful lawsuits against a vaccine mandate. Western Michigan University granted an exemption to a student athlete who used his letter but was still barred from school sports until the court intervened.

Harry Mihet, an attorney with Liberty Counsel, said the Christian group receives thousands of messages weekly from individuals claiming they had an exemption request denied for improper reasons. Those include that the person's denomination endorsed the shots or that the Pope was vaccinated, neither of which have bearing on an individual's beliefs.

"I think these employers run the risk of being tied up in litigation until kingdom come," Mihet said.

Vaughn, who served a three-year prison sentence for fraud and had a stint running an auto dealership, said he now spends 80% of his day helping people with employer requests for more information, such as describing how an employee's beliefs conflict with a hospital's vaccine policy.

Vaughn is encouraged by companies pushing back on his exemption letters. "They are making it more difficult and adding layers to the process," he said. "It's proof it works."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-pastors-advocacy-groups-mobilize-against-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/ar-AAPvGB9?ocid=msedgntp

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2021, 07:33:36 pm »
As I've said, the far-right modern Repugs are merely exploiting existing feelings of hopelessness amongst tens of millions of Americans who are living through the disintegration of the American Dream bullshit. Their nationalistic and economically hard-right indoctrination from birth means that they won't blame the failing corporate-capitalist system that inevitably breeds economic inequality, as the true core culprit. They instead blame paper demons put up by the right (like 'liberals', immigrants, leftists, etc)

When you then have rabidly right-wing/pro-Orange c*nt sections of the media being so blatant as this (and backed up with social media echo chambers), it's a recipe for increasing zealotry:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1438503498690154497


Exactly how I view it too, especially your first paragraph.

That video of that anchor losing it at the end had me laughing. It's like something out of South Park. It's going to take that country 20 years, minimum, to recover from the cult of Trump, and that's after the fat orange fuck kicks it. In fact, it might not even recover at all.

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« Reply #85 on: October 15, 2021, 12:57:47 pm »
A Texas school district official told educators if they kept books about the Holocaust in their classrooms, they would have to also offer “opposing” viewpoints in order to comply with a new state law.

In an audio clip obtained by NBC News, Gina Peddy, the executive director of curriculum and instruction for Carroll independent school district in Southlake, offered the guidance to teachers during a training on which books teachers can keep in classroom libraries.


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“We are in the middle of a political mess, and you are in the middle of a political mess, and so we just have to do the best we can,” Peddy said.

The training came after the Carroll school board had reprimanded a fourth-grade teacher after parents complained about a book on anti-racism in her class. And it followed the passage of a new Texas law that requires teachers who discuss “widely debated and currently controversial issues of public policy or social affairs” to examine the issues from diverse viewpoints without giving “deference to any one perspective”.

At the training, Peddy advised teachers to remember the requirements of the new law, according to the audio. “And make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust,” she said, “that you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives,” which prompted a teacher to ask how one could oppose the Holocaust.

The district superintendent, Dr Lane Ledbetter, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

A district spokesperson told NBC News it was trying to help teachers comply with the legislation as educators were in “a precarious position with the latest legal requirements”. State education experts told NBC News that the bill does not deal with classroom libraries.

The Texas governor, Greg Abbott, has said that law, HB 3979, is an effort to abolish critical race theory in schools. The theory is an academic discipline that examines the ways in which racism operates in US laws and society, but it is not currently taught in US secondary schools.

Regardless, school board meetings across the US have seen a wave of protests about critical race theory in recent months and lawmakers in states around the country have proposed laws that would ban the teaching of “critical race theory” and topics such as the New York Times’s 1619 Project.

Twenty-two states had passed or were considering laws to ban or restrict conversations about race and racism in public school classrooms as of August. In July, Iowa passed a law banning educators from teaching content that could lead to “discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of that individual’s race or sex”. Florida passed a law earlier this year banning critical race theory, which it says claims “racism is not merely the product of prejudice, but that racism is embedded in American society and its legal systems in order to uphold the supremacy of white persons”.

Propaganda about critical race theory, as well as anger over Covid restrictions, have rocked school board meetings nationwide, prompting the National School Boards Association to ask Joe Biden for federal assistance in response to threats and violence against school board members and education officials.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/14/texas-school-holocaust-books-race-southlake

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #86 on: October 15, 2021, 01:12:01 pm »
Social media is the biggest culprit. Its increased the power of disinformation a thousandfold. You can weaponise any nonsense via facebook and suchlike and reach people in numbers never possible before.
The genie has been released from the bottle and we are heading into really dangerous times. I think the days of our stable western democracies are coming to an end.

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« Reply #87 on: October 15, 2021, 01:22:48 pm »
Social media is the biggest culprit. Its increased the power of disinformation a thousandfold. You can weaponise any nonsense via facebook and suchlike and reach people in numbers never possible before.
The genie has been released from the bottle and we are heading into really dangerous times. I think the days of our stable western democracies are coming to an end.

I agree with you.  Social media has been the difference maker.  Seen it escalate over the past 10 years, and really ramp up since 2016.  Technology has created the perfect medium/amplifier for any nonsense/hatred.
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« Reply #88 on: October 15, 2021, 11:35:20 pm »
I agree with you.  Social media has been the difference maker.  Seen it escalate over the past 10 years, and really ramp up since 2016.  Technology has created the perfect medium/amplifier for any nonsense/hatred.

Don't forget social media has only jumped into the void that localised, independent news has withdrawn from. This is a global thing where small town journalists are discarded for centralised news 'networks' owned by a handful of organisation and small number of news anchors.

Social media has created a global 'Speakers' Corner' that everyone can share with ever verifying.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #89 on: October 16, 2021, 04:34:08 pm »
Exactly how I view it too, especially your first paragraph.

That video of that anchor losing it at the end had me laughing. It's like something out of South Park. It's going to take that country 20 years, minimum, to recover from the cult of Trump, and that's after the fat orange fuck kicks it. In fact, it might not even recover at all.

It's over 150 years since the Civil War ended and a large proportion of White America haven't got over that. Having a Black Democrat President must really gave grinded their gears.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2021, 12:39:55 am »
An oldie but a goodie.

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The tie between the Kennedy assassination and Trump’s conspiracy mongering
The birth of the conspiracy culture that gave us Trumpism.
By Steven M. Gillon
November 22, 2020 at 6:00 a.m. EST


President Trump’s bogus claim that the 2020 election was stolen from him is the latest in a long list of conspiracy theories he has promoted, which in turn have been amplified by cable television and social media. Yet, rather than being banished to the fringes of American politics, Trump has amassed a cultlike following and has now falsely managed to convince a majority of Republicans that he won despite all evidence to the contrary.

Such behavior was unimaginable for earlier presidents. And yet conspiracy theories have a long history in right-wing politics. But tempting though it may be to chalk conspiracies up as a conservative phenomenon, the truth is more complicated. In fact, it was the assassination of John F. Kennedy 57 years ago today that transformed such paranoid thinking into more widespread distrust of government, ultimately creating openings for a demagogue like Trump.

In 1964, the President’s Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, popularly known as the Warren Commission, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, had fired three bullets from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building. It found that Oswald’s death 48 hours later at the hands of local nightclub owner Jack Ruby was an act of spontaneous revenge. Surprisingly, the report received a warm reception, and within two months after its release, 87 percent of respondents in a survey said they believed Oswald, acting alone, had shot the president.

And yet, by the early 1970s, a majority of the public began to question the Warren Commission’s central conclusion that a lone gunman was responsible for Kennedy’s death. Beginning with the 1966 publication of Mark Lane’s bestseller “Rush to Judgment,” an army of investigative journalists and self-styled assassination experts refused to accept that the assassination could have been the result of a random, inexplicable act of violence, that a loser like Oswald could have single-handedly killed a man as great as Kennedy. This began as a well-intentioned search for alternative explanations of the assassination, but it ended up fueling the emergence of a conspiracy culture that now permeates every aspect of American society.

The thread that runs through most Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories is that a shadowy network of nefarious individuals, working as part of a “deep state,” conspired to kill the president because he offered a new direction for the country. Originally, those who challenged the Warren Commission report focused on Cold War motivations, with either the Soviets or possibly the Cubans as perpetrators, which made sense, considering that Kennedy was assassinated just one year after the Cuban missile crisis.

As Cold War tensions decreased in the 1970s, however, critics looked closer to home for an explanation. The disaster in Vietnam, the Johnson administration’s duplicity in explaining it, and Watergate combined to erode public faith in the integrity of government leaders. The journalist Tom Wicker wrote that many Americans had come to view their government as “a fountain of lies.” The pollster Daniel Yankelovich noted in 1977 that trust in government had declined from 80 percent in the late 1950s to about 33 percent in 1976.

In this environment, critics chipped away at the Warren Commission’s conclusions, citing magic bullets and suspicious figures on a grassy knoll to hint at a larger plot to assassinate Kennedy. In December 1978, these critics seemed to receive official support from the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) which concluded, on the basis of a flawed acoustical analysis of a police motorcycle dictabelt recording, that four shots were fired at the president’s motorcade. The report only added to public doubt over the Warren Commission’s conclusions, and the new culture of cynicism helped conspiracy theories grow.

By the 1980s, polls showed that many Americans believed their own government — not foreign actors — was involved in the assassination.

In 1991, the filmmaker Oliver Stone added his own paranoid twist to the controversy with his wildly popular movie “JFK.” The film suggested that the military-industrial complex killed Kennedy because he planned to pull out of Vietnam. But Stone took his argument one step further, asserting in The Washington Post shortly after the release of “JFK” that the assassination “put an abrupt end to a period of innocence and great idealism.”

Such a theory fed into simplified and exaggerated myths about Kennedy’s presidency and the past more broadly. Many Kennedy supporters trumpeted this revisionist narrative that his death erased possibility and sent the country careening downward. They went to great lengths to show that, throughout the 1960s and 1970s, rioting in the streets, campus unrest and, most of all, the escalation in Vietnam, resulted from the personal and policy failures of Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, not from the flawed assumptions of postwar liberalism itself. Had Kennedy lived, supporters claimed, we would not have had Vietnam or Watergate.

Liberal Kennedy champions looking to deny the failings of liberalism and conspiracy theorists trying to debunk the Warren Commission findings made for strange bedfellows. But they were united by this narrative of Kennedy’s life and death, which provided a simple explanation for the turbulence that marred the late 1960s and the 1970s. The bullets that struck down Kennedy marked a key turning point in American history, they asserted, snuffing out the country’s golden years, a time when the United States stood strong in the world, our nation felt united and life seemed simpler.

This idea has persisted to the present, embedded in Trump’s shameless promise to “Make America Great Again.”

It is perhaps one of the greatest illustrations of the irony of history: Kennedy’s image is being co-opted to buttress backward ideas and weaken political institutions. After all, Kennedy won the presidency in 1960 by advocating change, a “New Frontier.” At least on a rhetorical level, he challenged Americans to confront outdated beliefs and practices.

Yet, conspiracy advocates have peddled myths distorting Kennedy’s life and death for far too long, thereby fueling cynicism about American institutions that has opened the door for Trump to lie with impunity. If the “deep state” could assassinate a president, then surely it would be capable of stealing an election.

The ground for such conspiracy mongering is even more fertile today. If anything, distrust in government has only grown with time — a 2020 Pew Research study found a mere 20 percent of Americans trust Washington to “do the right thing” just about always or most of the time. And the rise of the Internet, and conservative talk radio and cable television news, has given megaphones to personalities who preach a rabidly anti-government message — and show little regard for facts.

It is tempting to see Trump solely as a byproduct of this right-wing world. But it is more useful as we mark the passing of Kennedy this year — with Trump clinging fruitlessly to office, awash in falsehoods and conspiracies — to consider the ties between the two. Kennedy was a bold and imaginative, albeit flawed, leader who saw the potential for government to be a force for good in the world and to right wrongs. That his death would foster a conspiracy culture that contributed to Trump’s rise exposes the decay of our political discourse and the decline of our public institutions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/22/tie-between-kennedy-assassination-trumps-conspiracy-mongering/
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2021, 01:36:37 pm »
Still a long way to go obvs but how are people rating Robinette's chances of re-election?

Underwater already in the split of approve/disapproves, the Afghan withdrawal was to put it mildly a disaster while the honourable senators Manchin and Sinema seem intent on watering down Obama's best buddies signature bill to a sticking plaster rather than the true reform that is needed while the midterms next year will probably make it very difficult to pass any further significant reform.

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« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2021, 02:41:26 pm »
Another sad news today.

Colin Powell: Former US secretary of state dies of Covid complications
Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell has died aged 84 of Covid-19 complications, his family has announced.

He was a former top military officer who rose to become the first African-American secretary of state in 2001 under Republican George W Bush.

"We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American," a statement said.

"We want to thank the medical staff... for their caring treatment," it added.

The statement said that he had been fully vaccinated against Covid.

George W Bush was among the first to pay tribute to "a family man and a friend" who "was such a favourite of presidents that he earned the Presidential Medal of Freedom - twice".

Mr Powell, a moderate Republican who broke with his party to endorse Barack Obama in 2008, became a trusted military adviser to a number of leading US politicians.

He also saw service and was wounded in Vietnam, an experience that later helped define his own military and political strategies.

However, for many he is associated with the role he played in garnering support for the Iraq war, admitting a speech to the United Nations Security Council using faulty intelligence was "a blot" on his record.

"It was painful. It's painful now," Mr Powell told ABC News in 2005.
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« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2021, 03:25:03 pm »
I for one aren't sad. He should have been tried for war crimes.

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« Reply #94 on: October 18, 2021, 03:29:50 pm »
I for one aren't sad. He should have been tried for war crimes.


You know that country's proper fucked when Colin Powell is considered the acceptable side of Repugnicanism.

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« Reply #95 on: October 18, 2021, 03:43:45 pm »
I dunno from all I've read, he was always against armed intervention anywhere (was misled on Iraq) and was pretty much someone who didn't care for party politics.
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« Reply #96 on: October 18, 2021, 03:46:31 pm »
I dunno from all I've read, he was always against armed intervention anywhere (was misled on Iraq) and was pretty much someone who didn't care for party politics.

Misled? He was the fucking Secretary of State of the US. He had access to top secret documents and pretty much everything else. Watch how he lied his ass off to Congress about intervening in Iraq.

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« Reply #97 on: October 18, 2021, 04:59:11 pm »
Misled? He was the fucking Secretary of State of the US. He had access to top secret documents and pretty much everything else. Watch how he lied his ass off to Congress about intervening in Iraq.

Not everything is so black and white. This is why its better to stay out of politics to be honest.

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« Reply #98 on: October 19, 2021, 01:28:59 am »
Misled? He was the fucking Secretary of State of the US. He had access to top secret documents and pretty much everything else. Watch how he lied his ass off to Congress about intervening in Iraq.

Powell was fairly sure he was telling the truth and became convinced that he had to read Rumsfeld's screed to strengthen US policy.  He regretted it for the rest of his life.
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« Reply #99 on: October 19, 2021, 10:18:59 am »
I hope all the dead Iraqis are waiting for him.

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« Reply #100 on: October 19, 2021, 08:54:49 pm »

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« Reply #101 on: October 19, 2021, 10:11:01 pm »
Powell was fairly sure he was telling the truth and became convinced that he had to read Rumsfeld's screed to strengthen US policy.  He regretted it for the rest of his life.

Powell was always afraid that his statement to the UN about 'weapons of mass destruction in Iraq', which later turned out to be completely false, would be the main item in his obituary.

Such as it was.

He was a first class military man totally led on by war hungry politicians. He truly regretted it.

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« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2021, 11:29:33 pm »
Wow!
Obama just delivered an amazing speech for the Governor of Virginia candidate.
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« Reply #103 on: October 26, 2021, 02:37:30 am »
 
Cross Idaho off the list. They just had their first ever mass shooting. Two dead and four injured.

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« Reply #104 on: October 26, 2021, 01:30:19 pm »
Elephant in the Room: The QAnon Movement is Building Up to Civil War

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As ever, history moves in cycles. I formed my own experiential basis for this conviction back in 2008 when, following the election of Barack Obama, the Tea Party movement arose. I could smell what was coming then, I just didn’t know how long it would take to get here.

Even prior to the Tea Party I’d been sort of expecting something of that nature. A lot has been written since the start of the pandemic about how Americans, right wing religious ones in particular, no longer trust scientific, medical or political institutions. But really, that process was well underway decades prior to the pandemic.

There were milestones along the way to where we are now, like Roe v. Wade in 1973, Kitzmiller v. Dover in 2005, or Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015, which didn’t seem connected to one another while they were happening, but which I can’t help but look back on as pivotal steps on the path to January 6th and beyond.

A country in which science, politics and medicine had long served the interests of white supremacy and either affirmed or treated Christianity with kid gloves had become increasingly secular. Christians, Evangelical ones in particular, were losing their influence over government at the same time that they were losing adherents at an accelerating pace.

The erosion of the white, conservative, Christian hegemony in the US via immigration, deconversion and a shifting Overton window resulted in their diminished trust in government, science and medicine. The core of Evangelical religion is mortal anxiety. Most, from the moment they realized their own mortality at a young age, leapt into the open arms of the first belief system they were exposed to which promised an alternative to death. As if you can vote on what’s real.

Having chosen to build their worldview on that premise, making an untenably presumptuous leap rather than confront their mortality and emotionally mature in the process, they recoil from (or lash out at) anybody who pokes holes in their security blanket, per fight or flight.

They experience something like an uncanny valley effect; as they have integrated their metaphysical assumptions inextricably into their lives and associate it with everything good in the world, anybody who doesn’t make the same assumptions must be lacking in many fundamental capacities without which they’re not fully human, and potentially dangerous.

This is the essential basis of their incurable mistrust of apostates, and the “secular world”, which is the abominable reality outside of their comforting ideological bubble that constantly threatens to intrude any time they put it to a practical test.

…Refusing vaccines for example, which shouldn’t put them in any danger if they are indeed “protected by the blood of the lamb” and by their team of prayer warriors. Likewise, Ivermectin, Betadine and Hydroxychloroquine shouldn’t harm them at any dosage if Mark 16:18 is true.

It’s also the basis of Dominionism and related political attempts to “retake this country for Christ”, when it was never intended to be an officially Christian country to begin with. The perception is that ever since the Scopes trial and subsequent court cases affirming evolution, abortion access, gay marriage and so on, science and the government have turned on their former masters and become unfriendly to Americans of faith. Now that shit list includes doctors.

It’s been said that when you’re used to getting your way all the time, loss of privilege feels like persecution. So, if these institutions were no longer explicitly controlled by WASPS, for the benefit of WASPS, it had to be assumed they were now hostile to WASPS. This is the same mindset which gave us the mantra “anti-racist is code for anti-white”.

The next substantial development was the emergence of the Occupy counter-movement, whereupon our political situation in the US began to take on an even more recognizable (and historically analogous) shape. Organized, grassroots far left and far right populist movements, the modern evolutions of which now regularly brawl in the streets.

I’ve watched as the Tea Party became MAGA, then Proud Boys and Qanon. I’ve watched as Occupy sowed the seeds of BLM, although Antifa was already around for decades prior. But it takes more than that for civil unrest to boil over into a civil war. People were still much too comfortable and had too much to lose.

Enter Covid. It’s been keeping people indoors, glued to social media, scared and increasingly frustrated, looking for scapegoats and a way out. As r/hermancainaward and r/covidatemyface exhaustively document, Q-people are dramatically over-represented among Covid casualties. 90% of US atheists are vaccinated, 57% of US evangelicals are. The political divide in vaccination is also lopsided, if not as severely.

I’ve watched the right’s narrative go from “Covid is a hoax to see who will submit / preparing us for the mark of the beast” to allowing that covid exists but downplaying its severity while playing up vaccine harms, to finally noticing it’s mostly their own people dying, speculating that Covid is an engineered bioweapon targeting right wing Christian voters.

This is comprehensible only if you understand that in their mind, nothing is ever their fault. Anything that goes badly for them is the result of a sinister plot by their many enemies (everybody outside of their race and religion). If you put yourself in the mindset of someone who truly believes the election was stolen, that our leadership are satanic pedophiles and that they’re now killing off their opposition with an intentional plague, it’s not hard to see how this could make them fearful and angry enough for organized violence.

The other significant dimension to Covid, for the purposes of this analysis, is that the professional consequences of vaccine refusal have steadily impoverished religious, right wing American voters. They’re understandably quite angry about this. If comfort and having something to lose are what keep the pot from boiling over, would-be revolutionaries walking away from lucrative multi-decade careers (or being fired) removes one, if not both of those restraints.

Separate means of communication/organization are also key to a revolutionary effort. Mainstream social networks have attempted to disrupt their propagation of political and vaccine related misinformation, but Qpeople have responded to this by constructing their own parallel social media networks. This is yet another step in the ongoing cultural divorce taking place, as right wing Americans laboriously disentangle themselves from their neighbors, even their own family members. When this process completes, there will be two separate Americas ready to fight to the death.

Mind you, these people may be incompetent but they’re heavily armed. A dummy with a gun will kill you just as dead as an equally well armed engineer, doctor or mathematician. I expect, like Jan 6th, that when they finally “shoot their shot” it will be a messy failure. But not before they do an awful lot of damage and commit plenty of targeted killings.

Don’t forget how widespread the Q brand of conspiracy minded, far right evangelical Christianity is in US police departments and in the US military, the air force in particular. They’re all around us, already in positions of considerable power.
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Hence my suspicion that January 6th was a dress rehearsal and “testing the water”, to see how far they could get with the help of complicit insiders (cops, politicians, guards, etc.) It was their beer hall putsch. It failed but revealed how many people we might entrust to stop them are privately sympathetic.

They lost their shit collectively when Biden won, they’re never ever ever going to accept that reality. Sincere belief in a stolen election is nearly enough by itself to motivate and justify (if it were true) an attempted revolution, even apart from the government imposed loss of livelihood and other pandemic stresses. With those factored in, we’ve just about got a perfect storm.

Will the pot boil over sooner, or later? Will it never? Can we walk this back from the brink? It remains to be seen. I think a lot of it rides on the outcome of the 2024 election. I don’t think the Q crowd will take another loss lying down. I would love to be wrong, and could’ve easily been convinced that they’re all just a bunch of yappy little dogs whose bark is worse than their bite. But Jan 6th changed my thinking on that matter.

I think it would be a good idea to prepare for the worst, whatever that might look like. If you’re averse to arming yourself or stockpiling food & medical supplies (lest we come to resemble too closely those we’re preparing against), some other ideas might include preparing hideouts for LGBT, PoC and other targeted groups in your home.

If the worst does happen, it might pay dividends to figure out in advance who your neighbors are, the political/religious demographics of your county, what the traffic and infrastructure/utility interruption situation is likely to look like and whether it’d be a better idea to leave for someplace else or hunker down where you are.

https://medium.com/illumination/elephant-in-the-room-the-qanon-movement-is-building-up-to-civil-war-736a03fd95c9
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #105 on: October 27, 2021, 02:26:45 pm »
Wow!
Obama just delivered an amazing speech for the Governor of Virginia candidate.
Superb.

It will be an interesting race. Biden is not popular at all. I have neighbors on my road with 'We Need Trump' signs in their front yard. Which seems ridiculous given how Jan 6 went down and how he didn't want Mike Pence to ratify the vote although there was zero evidence not to.

I was in my local government admin building on the first day my state allowed early voting and so was able to vote weeks ago.



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« Reply #106 on: October 27, 2021, 05:29:51 pm »

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« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2021, 08:10:07 am »
Judge tears into prosecutors plea bargaining lenient deals. contradictory arguments made by prosecutors, arguing it was the worst attack on our democracy blah blah blah then agreeing to misdemeanour deals which carry a probationary sentence. s.. scared to rock the boat I imagine, very naïve. it will encourage more trouble in years to come.

A boiling point is reached in Capitol Riot cases.  Judge blisters the US Justice Dept, “No wonder the public is confused.”  Calls prosecution “schizophrenic”
 
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https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1453848126268354570

Indeed. This has been a concern since the trials started. Ultimately Garland is overseeing all this and you'd like to think his team have considered the implications of such sentencing.
We don't know what we don't know. So we don't know if Garland really has his eye on a bigger picture, but if he hasn't then his AG tenure just looks piss weak.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2021, 09:24:25 am »
Someone mentioned to me the other day that the US could see another civil war.

The Red and the Blue states are pretty inconsolable and the country could just split into two.

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« Reply #109 on: October 29, 2021, 09:33:10 am »
Someone mentioned to me the other day that the US could see another civil war.

The Red and the Blue states are pretty inconsolable and the country could just split into two.

As i`ve said before this country is much much worse because the matter is settled. The war has been lost.

In the states their pretty much already is a civil war without armies. It`s cultural and political. The MAGA states can`t secede because they (ironically) need federal tax revenues to keep them afloat: look at McConnell et al hoovering up federal cash for Kentucky etc. Where would he be without the likes of New York, Texas and California footing the bill. Meanwhile those self-same states have to put up with Senate representation equal to the likes of the Dakotas (another example of gerrymandering), Montana and Idaho whilst having millions more constituents. As with all things on the conservative spectrum it comes down to Fear. They are scared of everything, hence the culture wars and the political tribalism. They are quite happy to go down the road of authoritarianism and the tyranny of the minority because they are terrified of their loss of status, or as Tucker Carlson might say being replaced.
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« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2021, 02:09:32 pm »
Someone mentioned to me the other day that the US could see another civil war.

The Red and the Blue states are pretty inconsolable and the country could just split into two.

America's divide is on characteristics like race, education level, rural vs. urban, etc.  There are plenty of right-wingers in California, just like there are plenty of left-wingers in Texas.

If there's to be conflict, it's not red states vs. blue states, but rather localized based on these divides.  Like a group of Q-Anon supporters trying to storm the Georgia state capitol and getting into it with the police, Atlanta residents, etc.  Otherwise, it would take decades for the states' demographics change enough (for all the people on the left to leave Texas and for people on the right to leave California) for there to be some Red vs. Blue states war.

The divide is real, just not always based on state borders.
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« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2021, 06:06:12 pm »
The Washington Post
In battle at Supreme Court over N.Y. gun law, a surprising split among conservatives
Ann Marimow  21 hrs ago

When the Supreme Court first declared an individual right to gun ownership more than a decade ago, the court’s conservative majority relied on founding-era legal history to invalidate a D.C. law banning firearm possession in the home

An even more conservative court is poised to scrutinize on Wednesday the follow-up question left unanswered since 2008: To what extent do Americans have a constitutional right to carry loaded, concealed firearms outside the home and in public places?

Although some observers say it seems likely that the court took the National Rifle Association-backed lawsuit to overturn a century-old New York state law, which is similar to restrictions in seven other states, there is a surprising split among conservative judges and legal analysts that could influence how broadly the justices rule.

Justice Antonin Scalia’s 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller drew fire from some conservatives who said the court was creating an individual right to gun ownership that it was not clear the Constitution granted. Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson, a Reagan appointee on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, fueled the controversy with a law review article calling the Heller majority “guilty of the same sins” as the Supreme Court that found a right to abortion in Roe v. Wade.

Similarly, a conservative judge on the 9th Circuit recently wrote for the court an opinion that upheld Hawaii’s gun restrictions, pointing to “overwhelming” historical evidence that there has never been an “unfettered right” to carry firearms in public. In the New York case, a retired conservative judge joined former officials who served in Republican administrations to write an amicus brief supporting the state, saying the right to carry guns outside the home “has historically been restricted in many public places.”

Two gun owners who are challenging the law and are represented by former solicitor general Paul D. Clement also assert that historical evidence “overwhelmingly confirms” that the Second Amendment protects the right to carry firearms outside the home for self-defense and other lawful purposes.

With both sides claiming a historical upper hand, the case also underscores the limits of relying on the past to review modern laws.

“This is not the kind of case where one side has all the history,” said D.C. lawyer Roman Martinez, who was a law clerk for Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and for Brett M. Kavanaugh before Kavanaugh joined the Supreme Court.

Martinez said he expects that the evidence both sides have marshaled will make the case a challenge to resolve.

“The strength of New York’s historical counterarguments suggests that this case could actually be one that’s a little harder than we might initially guess,” he said during Georgetown University Law School’s preview of the court’s new term, which began this month.

Others cautioned that a majority of the justices may find New York’s law, which requires individuals to obtain a license to be able to carry a gun in public, overly restrictive.

“A discretionary regime where it is virtually impossible or at least extremely difficult to get the state’s or the city’s permission … is unlikely to survive,” Jeffrey B. Wall, a former acting solicitor general during the Trump administration, said during the Georgetown Law preview session.

The case also presents a test for the court’s conservative majority and its commitment to “originalism,” the method of interpreting the Constitution as it was originally understood.

“Conservatives, textualists and originalists believe — or should — that the Second Amendment ought not be interpreted to take from the people and their legislatures the historical and traditional authority they have had for centuries to decide where guns may be carried in public,” the retired appeals court judge J. Michael Luttig, a nominee of President George H.W. Bush’s, wrote in an email.

“Whatever its policy misgivings and temptation, this conservative Supreme Court would be wise to leave these decisions for the people and their elected representatives to make — as the Framers of our Constitution intended.”

The Supreme Court has turned down numerous requests from gun-rights advocates to get rid of government restrictions on carrying loaded handguns outside the home. The 5-to-4 decision in Heller made clear that the Second Amendment is not unlimited and does not protect a right to “keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any matter whatsoever for whatever purpose.” Scalia’s majority opinion identified several lawful restrictions: bans on possession by felons and the mentally ill; bans in “sensitive places” such as schools and government buildings; and regulations on the sale of firearms.

But four justices — Samuel A. Alito Jr., Neil M. Gorsuch, Clarence Thomas and Kavanaugh — have bemoaned in recent orders the high court’s reluctance to jump back into the gun debate. In 2017, Thomas and Gorsuch said the court was treating the Second Amendment as a “disfavored right.”

Roberts has not signed on to such criticism.

Two justices who have joined the bench since Heller was decided are seen as pivotal to the future of New York’s law. As appeals court judges, Kavanaugh and Justice Amy Coney Barrett expressed support in their writings for examining the historical record when assessing the viability of gun restrictions. In each case, however, they were making the argument that the restrictions in question were unconstitutional.

At issue is New York’s requirement that a gun owner obtain a special license to carry by satisfying local authorities that the gun owner has “proper cause” for doing so. Seven other states — California, Delaware, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and Rhode Island have similar laws.

The two people challenging the law — Robert Nash and Brandon Koch — have licenses to carry handguns for hunting and target practice. But New York authorities denied their requests for “unrestricted” licenses for self-defense because officials said they could not show a “special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community.”

During the two-year period of 2018 and 2019, at least 65 percent of applicants in New York were approved for an “unrestricted” license, according to a state analysis of records submitted to the court.

The challengers — joined by the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, an NRA affiliate — want the justices to overturn a ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit saying that the state’s regulations do not violate the Second Amendment and are consistent with the government’s interest in public safety and crime prevention.

At times, the dueling sides examine in their briefs the same founding-era statutes, court rulings and even 14th-century English law. Both quote the Statute of Northampton — the ancient law that prohibited people from traveling armed “by night nor by day” and in places where people were likely to gather such as “fairs” and “markets.”

But they have different interpretations and reach opposite conclusions.

Clement, the lawyer for the gun owners, says there is a broad right to carry in public for self-defense.

“When the founding generation enshrined that right in the Constitution, it understood the right to entitle the people to ‘have arms for their own defence’ and ‘use them for lawful purposes’ wherever the need should ‘occur,’ ” according Clement’s brief.

Founding father Patrick Henry went armed in town on his way to court in early America, the court filing states, and John Adams defended the right to go armed in Boston.

Even those assertions are being disputed by gun-control advocates in a new report titled “Historical Myth-Making and the Second Amendment: Founders and Firearms.”

New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) says 700 years of history, “from the Middle Ages onward,” including “laws on both sides of the Atlantic broadly restricted the public carrying of firearms and other deadly weapons, particularly in populous places,” and that New York’s law is “less restrictive” than the measures in place before the founding era.

Striking down New York’s law, James said, would jeopardize firearm restrictions that other states and the federal government have in place at courthouses and airports, and in subways, houses of worship, bars and other settings.

New York’s position is backed by more than a dozen professors of English and American history who say limitations on carrying firearms in public are “of ancient vintage.” Saul Cornell, a Fordham University professor, said those challenging the law are wrong on the history. They fail to acknowledge, he said, the “staggering array” of gun laws enacted in the post-Civil War era, including permitting laws and bans on concealed carry.

The outcome may turn on how Barrett and Kavanaugh view history and the role it should play in a review of gun regulations.

Two years ago, Barrett issued a lengthy dissent in which she argued that only those shown to be dangerous may be stripped of their Second Amendment rights. Even though Barrett would have struck down the ban on all felons owning guns, she emphasized the importance of looking to history as a guide.

The “best historical support for a legislative power” to restrict gun rights would be “founding-era laws explicitly imposing — or explicitly authorizing the legislature to impose” such restrictions, she wrote.

As a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Kavanaugh dissented in a Second Amendment case in which he said the “clear message” from Heller is that the Constitution’s text, history and tradition guide analysis of gun laws and regulations.

Kavanaugh was objecting to a panel decision upholding D.C.’s gun registration requirement and the city’s ban on ownership of semiautomatic rifles.

Rather than a legal test in which courts weigh whether a law is necessary to serve the government’s interest in preventing death and crime, Kavanaugh said, gun regulations should be assessed through the lens of history and tradition.

“Indeed, governments appear to have more flexibility and power to impose gun regulations under a test based on text, history, and tradition than they would under strict scrutiny,” he wrote. “After all, history and tradition show that a variety of gun regulations have co-existed with the Second Amendment right and are consistent with that right, as the Court said in Heller.”

Even before the Supreme Court agreed to take the New York case last April, Judge Jay S. Bybee, a nominee of President George W. Bush’s, wrote the 7-to-4 majority opinion upholding Hawaii’s requirement that residents demonstrate “the urgency or the need” to carry a firearm in public. Bybee delved deep into history.

“We have long distinguished between an individual’s right of defense of his household and his business and his right to carry a weapon in public for his own defense, absent exceptional circumstances,” he wrote in a 127-page ruling.

Bybee acknowledged that “history is messy” and that “the record is not uniform.”

But, he wrote, “the overwhelming evidence from the states’ Constitutions and statutes, the cases, and the commentaries confirms that we have never assumed that individuals have an unfettered right to carry weapons in public spaces. Indeed, we can find no general right to carry arms into the public square for self-defense.”

The case is New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-battle-at-supreme-court-over-n-y-gun-law-a-surprising-split-among-conservatives/ar-AAQ5BAK?ocid=msedgntp
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #112 on: October 30, 2021, 01:36:26 pm »
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The Supreme Court finally decides that the religious right asked it for too much
Ian Millhiser  13 hrs ago


The Supreme Court handed down a brief order Friday evening — it is literally just one sentence long — denying relief to a group of Maine health care workers who object to the Covid-19 vaccine on religious grounds. This means that nearly all workers in health care facilities licensed by the state must be vaccinated in order to keep their jobs.

Yet, while this order, which is also accompanied by a one-paragraph concurring opinion by Justice Amy Coney Barrett and a longer dissent by Justice Neil Gorsuch, is quite brief, it is significant because it suggests that there may be some limit to the conservative majority’s solicitude for religious conservatives.

Earlier in the pandemic, the Court handed down a pair of decisions that revolutionized its approach to religious liberty cases and granted churches and other houses of worship broad exemptions from public health orders intended to control the spread of Covid-19. The Court’s Friday evening decision in Does v. Mills, by contrast, appears to have been decided on the narrowest possible grounds. Though it is a loss for the religious right, it is not an especially significant one.

Maine requires nearly all health care workers to be vaccinated against Covid-19. It argues that this requirement is necessary because those workers are unusually likely to interact with patients who are vulnerable to the disease, and because the state’s health care system could potentially be disabled if too many health care workers are infected. The state does exempt a very narrow slice of health care workers, however: those who risk adverse health consequences if they are vaccinated, such as people with serious allergies to the vaccine.

The plaintiffs argued that religious objectors must be exempted from this requirement because the state also provided an exemption to people who could suffer health consequences if they are vaccinated — an argument that is, at least, plausible under the Court’s recent religion decisions. They were supported in an amicus brief by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, arguably the nation’s most sophisticated law firm representing religious right causes.

In a dissent joined by Justices Clarence (Uncle) Thomas and Samuel Alito, Gorsuch essentially agrees with the plaintiffs, making the case for granting a religious exemption to the state’s vaccine mandate. Quoting Tandon v. Newsom (2021), one of the Court’s two recent decisions granting places of worship an exemption from certain public health rules, Gorsuch claims that a law is constitutionally suspect “if it treats ‘any comparable secular activity more favorably than religious exercise.’”

Thus, under Gorsuch’s approach, the state must exempt religious objectors because it has a single exemption — again, for people who could suffer serious health consequences if they receive the vaccine.

Had Gorsuch’s approach prevailed, it’s likely that religious objectors would be exempted from nearly any law. Speed limits, for example, typically exempt police, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles responding to an emergency. Even laws banning homicide typically contain exemptions for self-defense. (Although, in fairness, Gorsuch concedes that a religious exemption is inappropriate when the “challenged law serves a compelling interest and represents the least restrictive means for doing so.” So Gorsuch probably would not allow religiously motivated murder.)

In any event, Gorsuch’s view did not prevail — though it is far from clear that it will not receive five votes in a future case. Though Justice Barrett joined a majority of the Court in allowing Maine’s vaccine mandate to take effect, her opinion (which is joined by Justice Brett Kavanaugh) clarifies that she did so on exceedingly narrow grounds.

Essentially, Barrett argues that the Supreme Court has discretion to decide which cases it wants to hear. And her opinion suggests that she would exercise her discretion to not hear this particular case.

That’s consistent with an approach she laid out in a 2017 essay, where she argued that Supreme Court justices who encounter an argument that they think is legally valid but that would lead to disastrous results should exercise their discretion not to hear a case raising that argument.

For now, at least, the bottom line is that Maine’s vaccine mandate is in effect. Public-facing health care workers will need to receive the Covid-19 vaccine unless they have a medical excuse.

Again, it’s not a huge loss for the religious right. But the decision in Does suggests that there is, at least, some limit to the Court’s willingness to carve out legal exemptions for religious conservatives.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-supreme-court-finally-decides-that-the-religious-right-asked-it-for-too-much/ar-AAQ6Nzt?ocid=msedgntp
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #113 on: October 31, 2021, 11:56:21 pm »
‘When do we get to use the guns?’ The life-or-death stakes of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial  https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-right-wing-political-violence-20211031.html

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #114 on: November 1, 2021, 07:57:04 am »
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1454846990211289090

"If they push this on kids (I assume here he means vaccines) then town halls and schools will be burnt to the ground. In 1776 nobody went to court, they grabbed their guns and started shooting. I don't condone violence but understand there are plenty of people ready to go there".

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #115 on: November 1, 2021, 01:25:00 pm »
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1454846990211289090

"If they push this on kids (I assume here he means vaccines) then town halls and schools will be burnt to the ground. In 1776 nobody went to court, they grabbed their guns and started shooting. I don't condone violence but understand there are plenty of people ready to go there".

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Staten Island Conservative crazies.  They're an aberration.  Don't worry about NYC, very few Fungus supporters.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #116 on: November 1, 2021, 04:51:51 pm »
Staten Island Conservative crazies.  They're an aberration.  Don't worry about NYC, very few Fungus supporters.

You only need one to get mad enough to 'do something about it' before tragedy occurs, it's not like gun violence is unknown across the US. I know there are MAGA cells everywhere but it's the sort of speech I expect to hear delivered in a Southern drawl.

In related firepower-themed news, the Rittenhouse trial begins, dice loaded from the start.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #117 on: November 2, 2021, 10:20:36 am »
Someone mentioned to me the other day that the US could see another civil war.

The Red and the Blue states are pretty inconsolable and the country could just split into two.

I've heard crap like that since I moved here. Then add the internet and every nut job has a voice. This is a diverse and strong country that is a million miles from any serious insurrection. Such claims are the ridiculous rants of the absolute extremes of society. You never hear from the regular people who just get up and go to work and love their kids like normal people. That group makes up the largest part of society.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #118 on: November 2, 2021, 12:14:48 pm »
This is a diverse and strong country that is a million miles from any serious insurrection.

Jan 6 wasn't serious?

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #119 on: November 2, 2021, 01:07:23 pm »
I've heard crap like that since I moved here. Then add the internet and every nut job has a voice. This is a diverse and strong country that is a million miles from any serious insurrection. Such claims are the ridiculous rants of the absolute extremes of society. You never hear from the regular people who just get up and go to work and love their kids like normal people. That group makes up the largest part of society.

I’d say – from the outside looking in – that the democratic institutions and architecture means that full insurrection is unlikely…certainly in the short term.

That said, the corrosive nature of online discourse is shocking – especially from the right; added to by the seductive powers of talk radio and right-wing cable news. The willingness of many many individuals to latch onto something as dishonest and dangerous as the ‘stop the steal’ means that the status quo only needs to be shifted a few degrees to establish a genuinely disturbing and real threat to liberal democracy in the US.

The failed Jan 6 act of terrorism ended up looking rather pathetic and small time; but the seeds have been planted. The Forever Trumpers are possibly gaining a momentum by virtue of being propagandized and radicalised while they stew in glorious opposition. Populist issues such as anti-vax, Antifa and Biden’s climate agenda is cementing the MAGA loons into an entrenched sense of disgruntlement.

Take the ‘debate’ around Critical Race Theory – it’s a total confection. The GOP are calling for it to be banned from public schools and mainstream life. It was ever thus. CRT has never been a part of mainstream education – it’s a university module that studies the insidious institutional racism that has resided in all branches of power across the US since the emancipation of slaves. However, it’s a fringe and rather niche area of study that most opponents have virtually no understanding of. Yet key conservative agitators talk about it so much that there becomes an illusion that it’s being shoved down the throats of children from ‘K to 12’.

This is a heady mix and something that lures in disaffected often poorly educated white folk who see a creeping liberal ideology pushing them to the side-lines as ‘blacks’ and ‘browns’ replace them in the pecking order. All nonsense of course, but an easy pill to swallow.

The outcome is that these folks look to populist demagogues to help set their political compasses – and they’re all pointed towards a destruction of a world that they see as a threat to their way of life…insurrection much?
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