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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1280 on: December 30, 2021, 12:35:54 pm »
The sort of courage that we in the West can hardly begin to understand.

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It's possible that at least one of those women, having exhausted all avenues in Afghanistan and having dodged the vengeance of the Taliban, will end up crossing the Channel on a rubber dinghy.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1281 on: February 15, 2022, 03:09:21 pm »
Fukinell.  This bloody thing on page 2.

All those people praying to God for food.  How's that working out?  When has it ever?

Yanks have frozen $7B in Afghan assets ala Iran.

Hopefully looking for a trustworthy fiduciary to distribute the assets.

I heard there were a group of out of work female judges looking for new jobs. 


Keeping half for terror victims shouldn't have to be paid in a lump sum.

And why haven't any of the rich Muslim countries stepped up to help their brethren? 

Christians may not be bothered anymore.

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1282 on: March 23, 2022, 05:38:26 pm »
Surprise surprise as Taliban u-turn on girls schooling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60848649

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1283 on: March 24, 2022, 08:50:41 am »
188 days since they banned girls from school and university. While the Taliban elite send their girls to private schools in other middle Eastern countries, free from the shackles of Taliban sexist imposed rules, they ban the empowerment of women back home. Scummy fascists.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1284 on: March 24, 2022, 09:29:48 am »
188 days since they banned girls from school and university. While the Taliban elite send their girls to private schools in other middle Eastern countries, free from the shackles of Taliban sexist imposed rules, they ban the empowerment of women back home. Scummy fascists.

Who ensured Talibans rise to power? The CIA, another 'gift' from the United States to democracy and human rights.

Taliban wouldn't have become the force they are without the US.





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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1285 on: March 24, 2022, 09:49:03 am »
Who ensured Talibans rise to power? The CIA, another 'gift' from the United States to democracy and human rights.

Taliban wouldn't have become the force they are without the US.

Is everything the fault of the US? Or do the Afghans have agency too?
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1286 on: March 24, 2022, 09:50:53 am »
Who ensured Talibans rise to power? The CIA, another 'gift' from the United States to democracy and human rights.

Taliban wouldn't have become the force they are without the US.


The foreign activities of the US since WW2 have been painfully short-sighted.

They - and the scumbag Saudi fascist dictatorship - created a huge terrorist organisation, using brainwashing camps in Pakistan to develop murderous & psychotic religious nutcases, just to wage a proxy war with the USSR.

Worth always remembering that the Soviet forces were asked by the Afghan government to enter the country to help them defeat the terrorists of the Mujahidin (Moscow had repeatedly rebuffed the Afghan requests, not wanting to be become embroiled in a war there, but relented when the Afghan government fractured and threatened to collapse).

Of course, the entire media narrative in the West at the time was distorted to paint the Soviets as the aggressors and the terrorists as the heroes.

Something conveniently forgotten when those 'heroes' began blowing up innocent western civilians and flying planes into skyscrapers.

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1287 on: March 24, 2022, 09:54:49 am »

The foreign activities of the US since WW2 have been painfully short-sighted.

They - and the scumbag Saudi fascist dictatorship - created a huge terrorist organisation, using brainwashing camps in Pakistan to develop murderous & psychotic religious nutcases, just to wage a proxy war with the USSR.

Worth always remembering that the Soviet forces were asked by the Afghan government to enter the country to help them defeat the terrorists of the Mujahidin (Moscow had repeatedly rebuffed the Afghan requests, not wanting to be become embroiled in a war there, but relented when the Afghan government fractured and threatened to collapse).

Of course, the entire media narrative in the West at the time was distorted to paint the Soviets as the aggressors and the terrorists as the heroes.

Something conveniently forgotten when those 'heroes' began blowing up innocent western civilians and flying planes into skyscrapers.

Let's not forget that the Taliban had been out of power since 2001, yet they've persisted until they retook power in 2021. Not everything is due solely or principally to the Americans. Afghans have the power to decide too, and yet the Taliban have lasted this long despite strong American opposition during this time.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1288 on: March 24, 2022, 10:34:25 am »
Let's not forget that the Taliban had been out of power since 2001, yet they've persisted until they retook power in 2021. Not everything is due solely or principally to the Americans. Afghans have the power to decide too, and yet the Taliban have lasted this long despite strong American opposition during this time.


As the astonishingly brave Aghan politician and women's rights campaigner Malalai Joya has explained, the US allowed the murderous Afghan 'warlords' to not only survive the US invasion, but invited them into government.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/afghan-anti-warlord-campaigner-malalai-joya-blames-u-s-violence-n660686

I can see the US rationale - it wanted to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban, not become entrenched in a full-scale war there. So even though the 'Northern Alliance' element of the Mujahidin (who'd split from the Taliban) were just as murderous, oppressive and misogynist as the Taliban, because they'd previously been in conflict with the Taliban during the later civil war once the Soviet forces left and the Afghan government collapsed, Washington embraced them, turning a blind eye to their human rights abuses and mass murder, and allowing their evil feudal systems to perpetuate.

As the US,'s own report by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) put it:

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Many warlords were brought into government, where they continued their abuses, maintained private militias, and had links to narcotics, smuggling and criminal networks. U.S. partnerships with such individuals gave the Afghan population the impression the United States tolerated corruption and other abuses, seriously undercutting U.S. credibility.

https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/lessonslearned/SIGAR-16-58-LL.pdf

The alternative would have been to wipe them out which, as the Soviets found out, isn't exactly easy.

That was the GWB era of hawkish neocons with their PNAC wet dream. They made idiotic mistakes - born out of arrogance and extreme naivete in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

When Obama was elected, he inherited a total mess, but still shied away from trying to make it right (to be fair, American public weariness with the two conflicts was huge). Afghan public support for the government had evaporated, replaced by cynicism toward their endemic corruption and their allowing medieval practices and oppression of human rights to continue outside of some cities that had at least least modernisation through more secularisation. Behind the scenes, the Taliban were organising again and attracting support from a disenchanted population (only the men, for obvious reasons)

Then the corrupt orange fuckwit paved the way for the Taliban invasion by smugly 'making a deal' with the Taliban, which saw him agree to the release of thousands of Taliban prisoners.

Seriously, whilst the US may be able to successfully plan a military campaign, they have been shown to be utterly clueless when strategising the 'what comes next' part.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1289 on: March 24, 2022, 11:22:50 am »

As the astonishingly brave Aghan politician and women's rights campaigner Malalai Joya has explained, the US allowed the murderous Afghan 'warlords' to not only survive the US invasion, but invited them into government.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/afghan-anti-warlord-campaigner-malalai-joya-blames-u-s-violence-n660686

I can see the US rationale - it wanted to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban, not become entrenched in a full-scale war there. So even though the 'Northern Alliance' element of the Mujahidin (who'd split from the Taliban) were just as murderous, oppressive and misogynist as the Taliban, because they'd previously been in conflict with the Taliban during the later civil war once the Soviet forces left and the Afghan government collapsed, Washington embraced them, turning a blind eye to their human rights abuses and mass murder, and allowing their evil feudal systems to perpetuate.

As the US,'s own report by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) put it:

https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/lessonslearned/SIGAR-16-58-LL.pdf

The alternative would have been to wipe them out which, as the Soviets found out, isn't exactly easy.

That was the GWB era of hawkish neocons with their PNAC wet dream. They made idiotic mistakes - born out of arrogance and extreme naivete in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

When Obama was elected, he inherited a total mess, but still shied away from trying to make it right (to be fair, American public weariness with the two conflicts was huge). Afghan public support for the government had evaporated, replaced by cynicism toward their endemic corruption and their allowing medieval practices and oppression of human rights to continue outside of some cities that had at least least modernisation through more secularisation. Behind the scenes, the Taliban were organising again and attracting support from a disenchanted population (only the men, for obvious reasons)

Then the corrupt orange fuckwit paved the way for the Taliban invasion by smugly 'making a deal' with the Taliban, which saw him agree to the release of thousands of Taliban prisoners.

Seriously, whilst the US may be able to successfully plan a military campaign, they have been shown to be utterly clueless when strategising the 'what comes next' part.

Don't pin everything on the Americans and completely absolve the Afghans of all responsibility. The US poured unbelievable amounts of money and resources into the Afghan forces and government, yet they wouldn't even fight and delay any Taliban advance in 2021. There is no evidence that the Americans could have done anything else that could have resulted in anything better. The current situation is the choice of the Afghans. Democracy is the choice of the people, however unpalatable. Just accept that we and the Afghans think differently, and they can choose, and have chosen, a way that's alien to our way of thinking.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1290 on: March 24, 2022, 07:54:50 pm »
They - and the scumbag Saudi fascist dictatorship - created a huge terrorist organisation, using brainwashing camps in Pakistan to develop murderous & psychotic religious nutcases, just to wage a proxy war with the USSR.
The whole sorry saga in a nutshell.

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1291 on: March 29, 2022, 04:28:07 pm »
Don't pin everything on the Americans and completely absolve the Afghans of all responsibility. The US poured unbelievable amounts of money and resources into the Afghan forces and government, yet they wouldn't even fight and delay any Taliban advance in 2021. There is no evidence that the Americans could have done anything else that could have resulted in anything better. The current situation is the choice of the Afghans. Democracy is the choice of the people, however unpalatable. Just accept that we and the Afghans think differently, and they can choose, and have chosen, a way that's alien to our way of thinking.

When you look at what the Ukraine has done with Western arms and military training, there's no comparison. I'd be willing to break the bank to support the Ukraine effort but there's no point throwing good money after bad.

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1292 on: June 5, 2023, 01:44:36 am »
Remember the left behind weaponry that Biden got so much stick about? The Taliban are currently using them...against Iran in a water dispute. And just as I said, they're not particularly high-tech. Just cobbled together combos of vehicles and artillery, the likes of which you can find in any bog standard army.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1293 on: November 6, 2023, 05:32:46 pm »
A humanitarian disaster is unfolding because of Pakistan's decision to throw out 1.7 million Afghani refugees. Bulldozing of Afghani refugee settlements has already begun. Where do these people go? Does the world even care?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-67281793

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1294 on: November 6, 2023, 05:53:51 pm »
A humanitarian disaster is unfolding because of Pakistan's decision to throw out 1.7 million Afghani refugees. Bulldozing of Afghani refugee settlements has already begun. Where do these people go? Does the world even care?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-67281793

About as much as some dickheads cared about innocents in the Strip.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1295 on: November 6, 2023, 06:55:02 pm »
About as much as some dickheads cared about innocents in the Strip.

But no one is protesting about the Pakistan government.

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1296 on: November 6, 2023, 07:21:23 pm »
But no one is protesting about the Pakistan government.

Are they also targetting and bombing children with western backing and weaponry?

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1297 on: November 6, 2023, 07:39:10 pm »
Are they also targetting and bombing children with western backing and weaponry?

Highly emotive language used to try and win a debate. If you used neutral language, you'd be asking if Pakistan are using western backing and weaponry. To which the answer would be, yes, Pakistan's military is heavily based on western weaponry such as the F-16.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1298 on: November 6, 2023, 09:37:27 pm »
Highly emotive language used to try and win a debate. If you used neutral language, you'd be asking if Pakistan are using western backing and weaponry. To which the answer would be, yes, Pakistan's military is heavily based on western weaponry such as the F-16.
and what Children are they using these planes to kill?
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1299 on: November 6, 2023, 10:02:23 pm »
About as much as some dickheads cared about innocents in the Strip.
To be fair the whole world is watching that. Rightly so.

But Afghanistan? The ongoing war in Syria? Not so much.
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1300 on: November 6, 2023, 11:56:27 pm »
About as much as some dickheads cared about innocents in the Strip.
Are they also targetting and bombing children with western backing and weaponry?
and what Children are they using these planes to kill?

Absolutely bizarre posts (not least given the well established RAWK policy).

Why the three of you are so emotively trying to justify the (at present) near-absence of concern for this humanitarian disaster among the international community makes little sense. You really don't have to defend/minimise/rationalise it.

Making me wonder if you're deliberately trying to get the thread locked (probably not your intent, but hard not to consider it). If you don't care about Afghan refugees, then leave it and do the rest of us the favour of shutting the fuck up instead of these odd posts to people who do
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1301 on: November 7, 2023, 05:43:11 am »
Absolutely bizarre posts (not least given the well established RAWK policy).

Why the three of you are so emotively trying to justify the (at present) near-absence of concern for this humanitarian disaster among the international community makes little sense. You really don't have to defend/minimise/rationalise it.

Making me wonder if you're deliberately trying to get the thread locked (probably not your intent, but hard not to consider it). If you don't care about Afghan refugees, then leave it and do the rest of us the favour of shutting the fuck up instead of these odd posts to people who do
you have a point - I came into the thread to see what was happening in Afghanistan, there has been no mention of it on telly, and got side tracked by Sangria's stupid false equivalence.
Yes whats happening to the Afghans is really shit.

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I imagine everyone came into the thread to learn or talk about Afghanistan, and not the other thing 






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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1302 on: November 7, 2023, 09:48:45 am »
you have a point - I came into the thread to see what was happening in Afghanistan, there has been no mention of it on telly, and got side tracked by Sangria's stupid false equivalence.
Yes whats happening to the Afghans is really shit.

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I imagine everyone came into the thread to learn or talk about Afghanistan, and not the other thing 

I posted to say that Pakistan were indeed using western weaponry, such as the F-16. The service history of this air frame in the PAF can be seen here.

https://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article14.html
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1303 on: November 7, 2023, 11:43:53 am »
The Guardian has now mentioned the catastrophe.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/06/the-guardian-view-on-pakistans-expulsion-of-afghans-dont-send-them-back-to-the-taliban

But where is the international community? Where is the sense of outrage? Where are the protests on the streets on New York, London, Paris, Cairo? Is it because Muslims don't count?
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« Reply #1304 on: November 7, 2023, 11:49:42 am »
The Guardian has now mentioned the catastrophe.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/06/the-guardian-view-on-pakistans-expulsion-of-afghans-dont-send-them-back-to-the-taliban

But where is the international community? Where is the sense of outrage? Where are the protests on the streets on New York, London, Paris, Cairo? Is it because Muslims don't count?
The government need to act fast - at the absolute bare minimum to protect those 3,000 already approved for refuge here. It's only a drop in the ocean, but it needs a rapid and firm diplomatic response - not least to try to draw attention to what's unfolding under the noses of an uninterested international community (and unfocused NGOs).

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1305 on: November 7, 2023, 11:54:42 am »
The Guardian has now mentioned the catastrophe.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/06/the-guardian-view-on-pakistans-expulsion-of-afghans-dont-send-them-back-to-the-taliban

But where is the international community? Where is the sense of outrage? Where are the protests on the streets on New York, London, Paris, Cairo? Is it because Muslims don't count?

It could be as as simple as this is only just becoming major news, time will tell
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1306 on: November 7, 2023, 12:16:20 pm »
It could be as as simple as this is only just becoming major news, time will tell

True.

But as yet the silence is ominous. There's more song and dance about Afghanistan's innings v Australia (exciting as it is).
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1307 on: November 7, 2023, 01:08:15 pm »
True.

But as yet the silence is ominous. There's more song and dance about Afghanistan's innings v Australia (exciting as it is).

I dont think its ominous at this stage, protests take time to organise, 80%+ of the country wont even know its happening

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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1308 on: November 7, 2023, 01:10:56 pm »
I dont think its ominous at this stage, protests take time to organise, 80%+ of the country wont even know its happening

I like to stay Informed and I only know about it because of RAWK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/67115466#:~:text=Afghanistan%20won%20by%2069%20runs%20Scorecard.%20Group%20table.,left%20their%20World%20Cup%20defence%20in%20real%20jeopardy.

You've just explained perfectly why the signs are "ominous".
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Re: The War In Afghanistan
« Reply #1309 on: November 7, 2023, 01:23:21 pm »
You've just explained perfectly why the signs are "ominous".

Ive based my point on the likes of BBC, SKY, ITN giving it coverage and then the protests will follow, like they did in solidarity with Iranian women.

If it doesnt, then you will be proven correct

But yeah see what you mean
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« Reply #1310 on: November 7, 2023, 01:58:22 pm »
Can't say I share your optimistic reading KJ - regular activist organisers, including those currently being very busy, don't tend to organise to send messages to states/actors of muslim-majority countries (perhaps with the exception of the Iranian diaspora and their community)

Likewise, I don't expect much attention to be drawn to the attempts at ethnic cleansing underway in Darfur by arab militias, and the shocking images of their persecution that keep coming to light
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« Reply #1311 on: November 7, 2023, 02:22:13 pm »
Can't say I share your optimistic reading KJ - regular activist organisers, including those currently being very busy, don't tend to organise to send messages to states/actors of muslim-majority countries (perhaps with the exception of the Iranian diaspora and their community)

Likewise, I don't expect much attention to be drawn to the attempts at ethnic cleansing underway in Darfur by arab militias, and the shocking images of their persecution that keep coming to light


details of Iran protests, Womens solidarity and one against the regime

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202304293513

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iran-rally-trafalgar-square-b2258199.html

A Taliban one

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2023/08/15/afghan-diaspora-gather-for-anti-taliban-protest-at-uk-parliament/

Ive rer-read my last post and it comes across as more optimistic than I intended. What I was saying is you cant expect protests when most of the country are unaware of whats happening. A better way to put it is

It could be as as simple as this is only just becoming major news, time will tell

What other protests do you think should have happened and didnt?
Only solidarity for Rushdie poppeed into my head.


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« Reply #1312 on: November 7, 2023, 02:28:33 pm »
What other protests do you think should have happened and didnt?
Only solidarity for Rushdie poppeed into my head.
It's definitely not my place to say a protest 'should happen' - especially if I've not organised one!

It's entirely up to every individual which they attend - and there's multitudes of reasons why to attend (and why not to attend) any and the attendees aren't a monolith. I was solely offering a prediction based on my understanding of previous actions of some of the groups most prominent in organising the regular Saturday gatherings in London.

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« Reply #1313 on: November 7, 2023, 02:56:43 pm »
The Guardian has now mentioned the catastrophe.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/06/the-guardian-view-on-pakistans-expulsion-of-afghans-dont-send-them-back-to-the-taliban

But where is the international community? Where is the sense of outrage? Where are the protests on the streets on New York, London, Paris, Cairo? Is it because Muslims don't count?


And there it is.

I thought it a bit strange how you were worried about these refugees but gave less than a sweet fuck all about what was about to happen to those that we're not allowed to speak about. 

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« Reply #1314 on: November 7, 2023, 03:01:09 pm »

And there it is.

I thought it a bit strange how you were worried about these refugees but gave less than a sweet fuck all about what was about to happen to those that we're not allowed to speak about. 



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« Reply #1315 on: November 7, 2023, 03:03:06 pm »
Behave yourself.


I am doing.

What did you mean by "Is it that Muslims don't count" ?
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« Reply #1316 on: November 7, 2023, 03:25:00 pm »

I am doing.

What did you mean by "Is it that Muslims don't count" ?


I thought the same inference as you.

A Tory, a worker and an immigrant are sat round a table. There's a plate of 10 biscuits in the middle. The Tory takes 9 then turns to the worker and says "that immigrant is trying to steal your biscuit"

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« Reply #1317 on: November 7, 2023, 03:29:04 pm »
You'd have to tell me the "inference" first, because I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Then I will answer.
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« Reply #1318 on: November 7, 2023, 03:32:29 pm »
This what's happening now in Sindh. You can click on it, it's not violent. https://twitter.com/_ProFreedom/status/1720387451795947745

Young groups of men checking on the credentials of Pashtun traders. These are not policemen, army, or any group with authority. They are mobs - similar to the ignorant, puffed up, vigilante mobs who decide when someone has blasphemed, and use lynch-law to punish them.
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« Reply #1319 on: November 7, 2023, 03:37:19 pm »
You'd have to tell me the "inference" first, because I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Then I will answer.


By all means correct me if I'm wrong, but - and recalling your previous comments and positioning on the topic - I took your comment about a lack of protest marches to be in contrast to the now regular protest marches regarding *the issue which must not be named*, with an inference about there being more to the motives of people protesting about [un]said issue.



[fuck, that was difficult to word!]

A Tory, a worker and an immigrant are sat round a table. There's a plate of 10 biscuits in the middle. The Tory takes 9 then turns to the worker and says "that immigrant is trying to steal your biscuit"